Making iPad Apps... on the iPad!
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For some people, a computer is a device that you can use to make apps... for that computer. And, for most of its existence, that’s counted the iPad out, almost completely. At least until last year… That's when Apple gave Swift Playgrounds the ability to use SwiftUI to create honest-to-Craig iPhone and iPad apps... on the iPad. And now, just this month, the Mac version of Swift Playgrounds has gained the ability to make SwiftUI apps as well!
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this video should have been called "Our Talk on Making Apps on iPad"
The current iPad is as powerful as a desktop nowadays. It's past time we are able to make use of that power.
I never get that analogy, trotted out every video and wonder what it means? People pay $100K for a BMW 5.35 that can reach 150 mph and 0-60 in 4 seconds, but no one ever gets to use that power. So why do you not go to a car review and troll there saying that it is "past time we can use all that power"? The M1 is more than just brute force, it is about latency, unity with the ecosystem, shared memory, efficiency, longevity because of future-proofing and so on.
This view that is perpetuated is rather boring and maybe people should accept what the M1 iPad is and take it or leave it? For me, why would I want a lesser chip for the same price, why on earth would anyone with any sense that can afford it, want an A13 instead of an M1? So what Apple is giving you is the best they have and anyone raging against the machine, for me, just fails to understand that. Sad as that is.
@@andyH_England, Except users do not see an iPad as a decorative item. They want a powerful device that can be used in practice, and they have been voting with their wallets. Apple themselves have reported that iPad sales were lukewarm precisely because people have been opting for the Macbook Pro. And they are making changes to allow for a "Pro Mode" when a keyboard is connected, and will renovate the dock on iPadOS 16. The Pro mode, and now giving users a limited framework for creating apps on the iPad, have shown that they are indeed listening to users who want to do more with their device.
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The Magic Keyboard is so expensive ☹️
I don’t think it was intended to ever be a laptop replacement. It’s a mid 2010s netbook replacer.
“Opportunistic endpoints” is somebody keeping track of these delightful Ritchie-isms??
I liked "honest to Craig Mac apps" as well. So subtle, yet so perfectly delivered.
Imhave us my m1 ipad for almost a year now, i would say it is not a macbook, neither a pc replacement, but I wish it could, there are so many things it can potentially do, but for my professional us its amazing, it can do more stuff than my M1 mac mini, so for me, its my perfect portable device, and when I need to do work on after effects or powerful video editing I go to my mac mini, i can definitely use my ipad for short editing as well, but they are both good enough for me, as an animator illustrator professional.
Cacique is an awesome Teacher and Coding professional. With his help, we are connecting each classroom more and more with Apple Curriculum.
Since becoming a father three months ago, being able to edit in Lumafusion while holding a sleeping baby with the other arm has been the only way to keep my channel going. Being able to export the project as a Final Cut project and touch up on my Mac mini later on is such a huge feature and I can only dream of how cool a cloud based final cut storage system would be.
Do you hook your Mac mini up to the iPad and use it as a screen?
Our platform hyperPad has been making games for iPad on the iPad for almost a decade! We were even around on the original iPad. Always pushing the hardware to it's limits.
As a “swift” apps programmer, It’s so deficient, and it needs a lot of extras I need.
Could it be because it is not targeted at you? But if you need to teach or make a prototype for a science fair project or simple apps that can grow over time….
@@jhromeror Exactly. It's not designed for someone who is already a developer. It's for someone wanting to learn and get started.
@@mark_21 Craig Federighi should have said you can “start” making iOS apps on the iPad because it’s a good “start”.
before I bought my iPad Pro2, what I was googling was is it possible to run Xcode in iPad. and the answer was no. but I bought an iPad Pro, which ahs M2 chip. so I think they (apple) are already making it possible somehow. but as others mentioned, it's the matter of their overlapping lineup with Macs. MBA with m2 is almost cheaper than iPad Pro 12.9 with smart keyboard and other accessories!
And now, we finally getting final cut pro for ipad. So xcode for ipad isnt to far off.
Since most programming time is spent typing and refactoring, is it inconceivable to have an online Xcode running in a web interface backed by a mass of powerful servers at Apple's end? Compiles handled at Apple's end; binary squirted back down to the iPad for testing; debugging handled at both ends; or maybe testing and debugging on a virtual iPad at the server end. I'm sure there would be problems to overcome, but would speed be one of them these days?
You can make that case for everything you might wanna do on it. Anything that can be run locally should be. When you can use it locally you own your own device.
Não creio que tem um mackenzista no rene Ritchie. Mesmo sendo de outra uni, tô feliz de ver um prof brasileiro falando de tech
Nossa, quando eu cliquei para assistir esse vídeo nunca poderia imaginar que o Cacique ia estar nele. Grande abraço professor!
That video seems to be inline with the next WWDC topic...
Is there will be an IG for iPad?
Thanks…I enjoyed your video. Blessings on your day.
Ipad mini is truly versatile and other ipad models are hybrid computers.
The iPad is like the middle child and the computer the oldest laptop the youngest so it's like siblingd well I said iPad is an middle child cause it's a computer but it's not
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Compute means to calculate. My watch is a computer. My iPad is not a computer ;)
Wow I feel like Ipads will kill macbook air. There will be no reason to get macbook unless you need extra power. It looks promising
"Extra power" becomes a much blurrier line on the M1 iPad. This thing is so stupidly overpowered, it's almost decadently wasteful.
I agree but maybe the new macos mode could finally take an advantage of the chip. Fingers crossed
I feel like absolutely nobody needs M1 in ipad especially the air
anyway you can checkout my videos about apple leaks
Well, I am only six years old to be honest and I want to make a app for Toca. Boca then gets all the stuff for free.
אפל תשפר את האודיו והצבעים בפייסטיים למשל אור מהחלון או המטבח או הסלון עם מנוע AI גם בתמונות ווידאו באייפון 14. לעבודה כולל אודיו משופר בצילומי בוידאו בקילר רעיוו טים.
Apple will later move to a new Product line, likely a "laptop hybrid" tier that will copy the Surface; basically iPad with MacOS. They won't upgrade the iPads to have this ability and they will never give Macbook pen support.
did prototypes with the Pen Mac using gestures to control the interface. I used to have one based on the Mac Duo laptop. To open a file, for example, you’d checkmark a folder with a Pen. I have the PenMac patent if you don’t believe me. It was an interesting project that they canned a long time ago. Some of the tech in it went into the iPhone and iPad, like screen rotation. I personally wish the Mac would go away so they could put more focus on the iPadOS. is really too scattered with too many operating systems.
Except Surface pretty much sucks at both. We had a bunch of people get the Surface at work, and the only department who kept them was sales. Sales loved them as they were portable and easy to use for presentations, etc. Every other team, support, development, marketing, etc all begged to go back to their regular laptops and then bought iPads to use alongside them. Apple would be a fool to repeat this device type. they already have the best of both worlds, and they can continue to push both to what they are good at. iPad need to keep gaining more capability, but built with touch/pen in mind. macOS should remain focused on massive power and capability with keyboard/mouse input. There is zero reason to combine these; and we will never be at a point where the performance device makes it moot; no matter how powerful an iPad is made, there will always be a laptop/desktop that can outpower it. So let them each have their better user interface and stop trying to force them into one device that will suck at both.
I thought a computer is where you can surf the web, make documents, email, play games …if those shit ancient ass egg shell boxes were once flagship computers how in tf the ipad isn’t ? Lol …you want Mac apps get a mf Mac ! …thats what apple wish they could say
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With more and more developers rushing into the App Store it gets even more difficult to monetize an app. Like monetizing a RUclips channel isn‘t as easy as it used to be.
Release Logic Pro on the iPad you cowards!
With AMDs latest chip release, Apple needs to keep the pressure up on the chip front.
The devices do matter. They cost money. I already have an iPad Pro to do all my video editing / photography / Graphic Design / Website building and other work on it. I have no interest in spending another thousand bucks on a Mac, along with the burden of another device to charge and maintain. It’s simply coolade that we should keep buying more devices and seemlessly switch between different platforms to complete tasks. The reality is that the iPad is so close - and the only thing holding it back is that wants to sell the Mac with it.
Exactly, it’s about selling you more devices.
It’s actually not really good making programming a commodity will create lots of crap code and stuff that literally shouldn’t be and stuff that will be extremely inefficient. I prefer to not have a javascript 2.0
It sadly will create lots of low quality this is basically what always happens when you make stuff more “accessible”.
iPad is still iPad, sorry
If you can't play RDR2 it's not a computer
Wow so mac isnt a computer
I think I’m one of those people who don’t mind the iPad being the iPad. But the lack of truly professional softwares like Final Cut is just dumb.
Man, you really sold me on why this is a bad idea..... College kids having multiple apps each on the App Store... all made in Playgrounds....... just what the App Store needs.... to be flooded with more poorly written abandonware
How do you know the apps are poorly written and will be abandoned? Not every app on the App Store needs to be written by a indie or corporate developer with the primary goal of profits.
@@andrewhall8757 Pure logic
Actually, computer is something which computes that means people who do number crunching, mathematics based simulations kind of things actually use computers in a true sense 😄. And technically these people are called engineers, scientists or mathematicians 🥲😝🤭.
I think that it's now powerful enough to be a touchscreen MacBook tablet with Apple Pencil. I also like that it has the apps that it does and the way it is right now. So, I absolutely love the idea of the "Mac mode". I don't see any conflict with this and the MacBook line. If you want the easy to use normal iPad experience or you want a touchscreen Mac tablet with an Apple Pencil then get the iPad. If you want a more powerful Mac with a larger screen and the full Mac experience, get a MacBook.
Touchscreen Mac is a huge waste of resources. They are totally different use cases, so making macOS support touch input and redesigning the apps to support touch is incredibly wasteful. iPad is the touch computer. And the focus should remain on bringing more and more power to iPad to support more and more use cases. macOS can then remain the "truck" to use Steve Jobs old analogy, and support the massive multi-monitor, huge power setups that are unique to that. But this concept os making macOS touchscreen capable is so the wrong way to go.
@@TheTommyCraft they barely need to change anything to make it touch, you can use a mouse and keyboard and an apple pencil as precise input tools so touch targets dont need to be changed. why not have booting into macos as an option on m1 ipads? ipadOS needs so many changes to become as useful as a mac that it would be far more resource demanding from apple to do that compared to just providing a dual boot option
@@landon1136 That is just patently untrue. A touch target is significantly larger than a mouse/pencil target, as fingers are much larger than mouse pointers and pencil tips. So entire interfaces have to be redesigned. The concept of the menu bar is useless in a touch-based system as it is far too small of a target. Yes, you can use an Apple Pencil for precision, but if yuo are adding touch to macOS you have to assume that the user doesn't have a pencil.
iPad OS is gaining more and more power and more and more software is being moved over to iPad and optimized for it. macOS doesn't need touch, iPad needs more pro-level software and less restrictions on what a user is allowed to do. But the thought that "touch is easy to add to Mac OS" is so fundamentally wrong that I sincerely hope you do some research on UI/UX and Human Interfaces.
And the proof of this is out there for the viewing right now, just go use a Surface tablet running Windows and tell me that it is "easy to use" without using a mouse or pencil. It just isn't, and that is precisely why the idea of adding touch to macOS is so laughable. iPad OS is the touch based system, macOS is not. They do not need to merge.
There are two remote IDE options I've been able to use. VS Code has a package called "code-server" which allows you to serve up VS Code as a web page. The web app is setup to act as a proper app if you favorite it to your home screen, making it a seamless option.
Cloud 9 IDE for AWS development also works remotely. Unfortunately, Amazon hasn't adjusted the tool to allow app mode by home-screen favorite. This causes some usability problems as scrolling can act a bit weird.
I currently move between my MBP attached to a big monitor at my desk, and using the MBP keyboard/screen on the couch or out and about. Using the iPad when out and about for occasional quick changes and a quick test run would be nice. Of course, then I might want a 15” iPad also.
Bring Back Hypercard !!!
If you’ve ever used VNC to remote into a Mac from an iPad you know why the traditional Finder doesn’t really work that well on the iPad. Menus and windows, as they are currently in macOS are a bit awkward on the iPad. Apple must come up with a solution that doesn’t change the Finder experience on the Mac but brings it to the iPad in a way that’s fast and fluid. Be careful what you wish for.
5:08 actually, it's not that far away. I achieved what you are talking about using Parsec - I have a headless computer in my home and I can connect and work with it anytime and from anywhere. Unfortunately, there is no iPad app and chrome for iPad is a lack of a feature to use the browser-based experience
That's cool and all, but it still doesn't do anything for people that want to code in other languages. I'd be impressed if you could code and compile Python using the Pygame library, and then deploy 2D games on the app store, without ever actually using a MacOS device.
If that is what you are holding out for, you are on the wrong App Store.
@@TheTommyCraft I guess I don’t really understand what you’re getting at. I develop games for Mac using Unreal Engine and C++. No problems with deployment for me.
I got an 11” iPad Pro free from work as a prize, went in determined to try to make it work as my primary “computer” at almost any cost. But as hard as I tried I couldn’t find a good alternative to Lightroom Classic, much less dxo PureRaw or it’s competitors. Darkroom came closest but still relies on iCloud storage and changes don’t sync unless you use even more iCloud storage by exporting. No reason it has to be this way other than iPadOS holding things back. If Apple had the features in place and gave some encouragement I think some devs would follow.
I gave up ever hoping for my very expensive iPad Pro with its M1 and 16gb of RAM being able to do development work. Swift playgrounds is a toy at best and very much a mislabeling of what programming and development is. I can’t build real apps for iPad on iPad. It absolutely requires a Mac.
I get it, I really do. Apple is a company and needs to think of its full product line and profitability. They love selling you both machines and will happily do so for a pretty penny. Today I’m begrudgingly using a Microsoft Surface Pro. It does everything I want my more expensive iPad Pro to do. It just does it with much less enjoyment than my iPad ☹️
Not everything. It doesn’t do Xcode and Swift!
I started in 2010 with MacOS on a beast workstation as a virtual machine. The experience was abysmal so I bought my first MacBook Air 13” in 2011 then turned the workstation into a powerful Hacintosh then bought my first MacBook Pro in 2013, switched completely and never looked back. I still use windows at work or at home in my labs along with different Linux distros but my Macs are my power horse working machines that I count on them, they just work, no anti virus or stupid windows updates and continuous cleaning snd debloating. And now with a M1 Pro MacBook Pro docked as my workstation it’s unbelievable how far Apple has come with its HW, SW and tech.
My iPad Pro is my PC for everything unless I need a serious coding or multitasking. It can do anything. On the go 80% of the time. It is a light very portable computer with touch.
But there’s my MacBook for more advanced work. They complete each other and I even use my iPad as a 3rd screen when I need to.
There is absolutely no good reason for iPad Pro and MacBook Pro to be separate products. Seeing an iPad pro with a keyboard next to a MacBook is hilarious, they are the same thing.
And they will merge eventually.
Even Samsung can convert between touch and desktop UIs, so Apple should be able to do it better.
Apple should allow remote mac (universal control) online.
This is already possible, though there are no first party remote access solutions for iPad.
Technically, iPad is a special purpose computer. Not general.
I really hate it when people call themselves iOS developers, because that is so limiting. You should call yourself a developer, or a Swift developer, because the same knowledge, especially with SwiftUI translates into watchOS, iOS, iPadOS, tvOS and macOS.
Even back in the day when I used to develop Windows apps with .NET, I never called myself a Windows developer.
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I’m making a comic club app
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Working on watching this but I have used SP4. I have an app in the store built on it. And it is…so very much the iPad-as-second-class story we see so much with Apple’s creative software. It’s frustrating. I can do A LOT but not enough.
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Stop complaining people!
I think the term "computer" as many of us have come to understand it, after having using them in school is a device with a processing power, storage, and a GUI with apps that allow the user to do various things on the device, such as word processing, calculations, listening to music or videos, ... ultimately a computer allows the user to produce and/or consume content.
So from this perspective, the iPad is a computer. But the problem is that while iPad's hardware (m1) has evolved well, its GUI and interface is clunky and strange relative to other computers that most users are used to. For example on iPadOS15, Apple needed to add the little multitasking icon to the top of the screen in every app so that users have a visual cue to access multi tasking functions such as full screen, side by side, and slide over. My mom has an iPad Pro and she was not aware at all about slide over and so forth. These functions have existed in iPad for years but many users didn't even know they existed. That's bad design in my opinion.
And even with this new multitasking menu, it doesn't allow the user to minimize the current app. Minimizing an app or a window from the multi-tasking buttons/menu on a window is a function that has been standard in operating systems for years, but because iPadOS lacks this function, it makes the experience with Apple's multitasking menu confusing and frustrating. It's clearly Apple trying to tell me what they think I should be able to do with their menu... but why is that choice up to Apple, shouldn't it be up to me? To minimize an app, I can't use Apple's multi-tasking menu, I have to remember to swipe up from the bottom of the screen (or press the home button if on an older iPad). This is strange because to minimize an app on Windows, Linux, Samsung Dex, and even macOS, I can use the multitasking buttons/menu. The implementation is not ideal and not well thought out in my humble opinion. Apple clearly has done better with macOS. Don't even get me started on the fact that iPad OS can't format a new disk with HFS, APFS, or exFAT (Mac can do this why can't iPad?) or safely eject it so as to prevent filesystem corruption. So if I have a disk that is new and doesn't have a partition, I can't use it with my iPad unless I use a "real computer" to format it first. Why?! Also, iPadOS can't display an image on an external monitor in its native resolution in extended mode, instead the image is in 4x3 mode and is mirrored. (macOS on M1 can display an image on an external monitor in its native resolution and in extended mode... why can't iPadOS on M1 do the same?).
And it is for these reasons why I don't consider the iPad to be a computer. Yes it has all the raw ingredients but it needs that secret sauce and time on the stove before it can be a full tasty meal. Apple has done extremely well on offering great hardware on the iPad. My hope is, they spend the time to optimize the actual GUI and OS experience, to make it more intuitive and multi-tasking friendly and to add the ability to format media/eject media, display a separate image on an external monitor in its native aspect ratio and so on...
Thanks for your time.
Your explanation completely misses the original foundational design principle of Apple: Don't overwhelm the user with every possible option, curate and present only what most will need.
Android has had more features than iOS for over a decade, but iPhone users would rather do without those features than have to deal with them.
Knowing what to leave OUT has been the essence of Apple design since the first Mac.
It's not a bug that iOS can't do as much as MacOS, Linux, or even Android, it's a FEATURE.
So while this is great for people that are learning to code. This still won't be used in the real-world, I hope it one day can but until the third-party development tools come to iPad, it's still just for learning. Still nothing wrong with that tho.
The issue with today’s world they think coding is programming.
Coding is the modern day equivalent to a typist and the Programmer a writer that can also type.
Learning to code is not learning to program
I own a current iPad Pro with the M2 chip. There is no technical reason for Apple to keep it walled off from full app development, the only reason is to wring more money from us. I have a $7,000 desktop Windows beast for work and have no interest in cluttering it up with a virtual machine running a kludged up MacOS, and even less interest in spending another $1,000 for a Mac Mini with no more power than my iPad. Certainly not forking out that $$$ just so I can see if iOS app development is even something I would be interested in pursuing.
I just don’t find Swiss Army knives very useful. If I need a screwdriver, I’d rather pull a screwdriver out of the toolbox; if I need pliers, I’d rather etc. etc. etc.
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The iPad is definitely tactile preproduction device
I think we will look back in a few years and see this as well as Apple Silicon as two of the biggest developments from Apple.
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Sadly i think the “PRO MODE” IPADOS16 FEATURES WILL COME AT THE COST OF ALL IPAD USERS HAVING TO UPGRADE TO M1 OR HIGHER CLASS CHIP IPAD PROS and even more frustrating for iPad Pro owners with Magic Keyboards the need to upgrade to the newly patented snap on more MacBook like keyboards to be able to use iPadOS 16 “pro mode” which will also ease the blow in terms of revenue of how IPAD os16 pro mode might cannibalize MacBook Pro and MacBook Air sales in general as the cost of both upgrading your iPad Pro and accessory keyboard will essentially cost you as much as a MacBook Pro 🤦🏽♂️😘🖱💸💸💸🤦🏽♂️🥲