I always thought the water was shallow b/s the rest was pulled by the gravity and forming a huge wave somewhere. So if there were no waves it would actually be deep.
From what I understand the waves aren't actually moving, the planet is rotating into a large water mass that is locked by the extreme gravitational force exerted by gargantua
This is really cool concept. I wonder if with the ocean so shallow the opposite side of the planet would be completely dry, because all the water "slipping off" the planet's spherical suface towards the black-hole's center?
I would love sequels to this movie and other thought provoking movies like Inception. Unfortunately we only get one movie of each. Meanwhile, there are approximately 10 million mindless Fast and Furious movies.
@@erichayes2890 It's because a real original idea, with characters that have definite arcs, doesn't necessarily lend itself to having lots of sequels. Where would you go with Inception without wearing the whole premise pretty thin?
2:56 If you are close enough to a neutron star for it to give earth like daylight, it make you very dead in the same time. Those things emits a lot of ionizing radiations, and if it is a pulsar the planet atmosphere would be blasted away by the jets.
I'll point out an additional anomaly that makes the ocean tides so huge. As you've mentioned, the tides are ultimately caused by gravitational forces that most likely come from Gargantua, but the swells of the wave sizes are caused by a lack of any landmass. Water waves generally cannot reach past a certain size on their own due to continental shelves and landmasses that the waves ultimately meet. This means: because there are presumably are no shelves or landmasses, the waves have nothing to stop their consistency, thus making the gravitational forces of Gargantua causing uncollapsable waves of fantastically mammoth size. On a relatively smooth-faced planet with nothing but water, there's nothing to stop the waves, so they just increase and increase and increase as far as they can based on how much gravity is caused by Gargantua, of which it's noted is 130% earth's (which, for lack of a better word, is... bananas).
The thing is, the level of gravity that would cause that to be possible would also tidally lock the planet very quickly Once it's tidally locked, no more tides ironically enough
@@hoominbeeing Two things: 1) Miller's may be tidally locked with Gargantua but that wouldn't keep it from rotating on an axis that points at Gargantua (remember that Miller's is ovoid so that would be its long axis) - if that's the case then the planet might be turning underneath waves that are more or less sitting in place 2) Even if the planet isn't spinning on that axis, it might have a wobble that could set up motion in the water.
@@hubbsllc 1. Planets do not spin underneath their waves. Even atmosphere, which is much less dense than water, spins with the earth. Water is denser and would do the same on Miller's planet 2. With how the wave is depicted and explained, we already know this is false. It circles the entire planet. No form of wobble can cause that.
@@hoominbeeinghey you should really watch some Videos explaining the thoughts and physics around Millers Planet. It had 3 Criteria, 1 can possibly be liveable for Humans, 2 can have this tsunamis, 3 has exactly this Time Difference of 7 Years. They made it possible in what can happen respecting Physics. 1. The Problem is that it can be too hot, you would expect otherwise but because this Black Hole didn’t eat a Star in 10 Million Years it was neither too hot or cold. 2. Because of the Gravity of the Black Hole and how fast the Planet is Spinning to keep a nearly stable Position as well that it is shaped like an Egg it creates this massive waves of 40km high and yes this wave is basically right where the black hole is like with Earth and the Moon and the position of ebb and flow. You should really watch the video of Doktor Whatson, he is my Source and although it’s in German it maybe has Subtitles. The had a Physician Team doing all the Math behind so it’s actually really accurate. It’s really unlikely, nearly impossible for Millers Planet to exist because of how unlikely all Criteria’s come together but in an endless Universe who knows, it’s possible.
The extreme proximity of Miller's planet to the massive black hole (BH) would have one more significant consequence. You mention the BH accretion disk emitting light but also note that EM radiation in the full range of beyond visible spectrum would be emitted. This EM emission would consist of high energy radiation most likely due to the extreme gravitational field acting on the accretion disk to emit high energy particles and radiation. This would most definitely bombard Miller's planet and unless the planet possessed a strong magnetic field, it would not have sufficient protection from the harmful high energy radiation doing damage to planet and any occupants.
That was one of the first thoughts that I had about the planet. But it was fiction, getting all of the physics correct wouldn't necessarily make for a good story.
The EM radiation could also be blocked by the atmosphere/clouds. Similar to how earth's ozone layer and atomosphere. protects us from the full EM spectrum that our sun emits
I'm a physicist and I liked this sci-fi movie very much, however..with a huge time dilation depicted, where 1 hour equal several years in a target reference system, escaping speed for returning to the original one would mean achieving 99.99% of a light speed. NO WAY!!
@@diomedes7971 I'm not an expert in the physics of the relativity, but I can relate to some of the questions raised by you. In respect to the issue of the proximity of Miller's planet to the black hole, it is not a issue: all matter that spins the black hole is essentially in a free fall and as long as the gravitational pool is not manifested on a local scale of several meters, no one would be hurt. In fact, one of the most interesting theories regarding the existence of our universe, assume that the entire 3-d universe that we are experiencing, exist on 2-d plane of an event horizon of a huge black hole... The only effect of the black hole in that scenario would be the impossibility of the return flight from Miller's planet.
@@diomedes7971 I haven't watched the movie recently but the apparent size of the black hole doesn't mean the planet is that close. The picture depicts clearly the accretion disk where matter flies by and heats up insanely, and it's clearly not in the vicinity of the planet.
He says anything trapped in the black holes gravity is effected by time dilation. My question is let’s say there are 4 planted trapped by the black holes gravitational pull would the time dilation be different on the planet closest to the hole vs the planet furthest away?
The hardest part for me to believe is that they didnt orbit the planet first, did some basic observations, and notice that this planet was insanely dangerous to land on. Well for reasons outside the time dialation.
1, suspense of disbelief; this is science fiction. 2, The plot stated that they were time-constrained. How long would you think it'd take to orbit whole planet? + that the planet is orbitting the gargantua! + Cooper wanted to save fuel + they thought the water was a good indicator of livable planet.
@brosplit that's my problem with this movie. If it's just sci fi I'd be fine but every person and scientist sold this as some scientist miracle. And yeah, that tiny shuttle has the delta v to direct lift off and break away from a planets gravity well. The 25 min for a orbit before you land on a dangerous planet is just common sense. Or send a probe ahead of time??
@@mnaglich your expectations are the things that lets you down. This movie was never promising something bombastic as you claimed but as it is : a sci-fi made by nolan. It is on you, and you seem to miss many plot points too.
The only thing nobody explained is why that same flying pod had to leave Earth in a "normal" rocket, with stages and whatnot. Than, after acoplate on the space station they use to travel, only the pod have strenght to descend and to escape that planet with a 30% INCREASE on the gravity.
I will never get over how silly this is. Not the planet or physics, that stuff is super cool, but the fact that they landedon this planet at all is bonkers
I feel like the water planet was inspired by a Larry Niven (AMAZING sci fi author) story "There Is A Tide". The story appears in a collection published in 1974 , called "A Hole In Space". If you haven't read any Larry Niven, you are missing out. He came to prominence in the 1960s and he always was a leader in mixing hard science with extrapolated technology. He's up there with Heinlein and other SF greats .
@@Sarom335 He really is one of the pioneers of sci fi. Even though some of his ideas feel a bit dated, most of them have timeless concepts in them, and his characters are really interesting. He wrote some books with Jerry Pournelle that are pretty famous, like Lucifer's Hammer (comet hits the earth), The Mote In God's Eye (distant future where we meet aliens) , Footfall (An alien race shows up and drops rocks on Earth)
@Sarom while The Mote in Gods Eye (and its sequel) is good, it's set in a different Universe than RingWorld. I recommend exploring the RingWorld series further first - I think it's called the Tales of Known Space series (other authors have also written books for it). There's a sequel to RingWorld, but first, there are a few books that give some _very important_ background information. The book you must read next is *Protector* It's a short read but the "revelations" about humanity and other stuff tie into RingWorld. And it's just got a mind blowing concept. [Spoilers]. *World of Ptavvs* should be next after that, it also includes important background information about the setting (that many characters wouldn't know) but will be easter eggs in other books and is set in a similar time period to Protector - Earth in a roughly the Expanse level of tech and not yet having alien contact. Larry Niven has two main settings, Humanity at that level with ramscoop STL travel, and then much later with a FTL multi species civilisations, which is when the RingWorld series is set. Then the next important read is *The RingWorld Engineers.* From there there's further RingWorld books, more books set in the early periods of the Solar system and STL travel, and another series about the Man/Kitzen Wars. Enjoy.
My own suspicion, is that Miller's planet is probably also in the early stages of breaking apart, due to the tides. Time dilation might be the only thing keeping the planet together. The planet might normally take months to years to be destroyed, which would translate into tens of thousands of years.
The saddest part of this firm is they didn’t show what happened to to the original scientist that went to this world. After the scene where he isn’t able to get into the ship it shows him floating in the water, since it had only been a few years on earth that the OG scientist was on the planet because of the time dialation she was only there for about 15 minutes and the OG astronaut was left behind and it sparked debate if that floating body was the scientist we saw or the other scientist that was on the planet before them that wasn’t able to make it.
The body we saw wasn’t the original scientist, when the team saw the giant waves there were two people (the dead body guy and the one girl I forgot her name) and when they ran towards thier ship the girl made it but the other scientist didn’t make it so we see his body in the water, I wrote another comment about the actual original scientist under this
The body we saw in the water was not Miller because of the other comment I wrote, but some more reasoning I have is that we see Millers ship ripped apart and this proves that even though she only died a few minutes before the team arrived, she was still hit by a wave causing her to most likely be sent miles off in the distance or just ripped apart by the force of the waves
When you have a movie like this dealing with some of the most extreme concepts in real and theoretical physics we have to cut the filmmakers some slack in bending the known laws of physics . Some important concepts that are dealt with in Interstellar is that space travel takes a LONG time, that time dilation, black holes, and dimensions exist beyond the three spatial dimensions plus time that we are familiar with. Interstellar didnt cheap out and provide its characters a handy warp engine but instead made their journey possible by understanding and using these new concepts. 2001A Space Odyssey remains for me the gold standard in near future space exploration movies, but Interstellar did try to stay grounded while bending the rules to make its story happen
Interstellar was fairly plausible for me until the end when the black hole conveniently spits out copper close to civilization and he is somehow found within the infinite vastness of space and brought home.
Amazing that their ship was able to jettison off the water surface of the Miller’s planet just in time before the wave hit them when you consider the ship itself weighed 30% more as well.
You are absolutely right and they did it with that small shuttle ship and to think that they initially left earth on top of a huge booster rocket just to escape earth's gravity into orbit.
@@arghentrock Might have been a long time ago you watched the movie, but the reason they used rocket boosters was to save fuel in the rangers. They talked about saving fuel the whole time. They also brought a lot of supplies with them to the endurance.
I get the feeling that a planet in that close proximity to what looks like an SMBH's accredtion disk and a neutron star wouldn't have any atmosphere or water left on it.
So, the effect of time dilation due to the black hole's gravity is the same for everyone/everything at the same distance (R) from the black hole's center of mass. A difference in the passage of time only occurs if two objects are at two different R's. But if the distance is the same, there's no time dilation. Since Miller's Planet would be tidally-locked to the black hole, this means that if the ship from Earth were in a polar orbit around Miller's planet AND the people who landed on the planet were standing on the line marked by the ship's polar orbit through the surface of Miller's Planet, there would be nearly zero time dilation. Because everyone would be approximately the same distance from the black hole's center of gravity.
I agree. The black hole has to be REALLY massive in order to generate a gravitational effect far enough away from the hole to be unaffected to the accretion disk radiation , and at that extreme distance the gradient is going to be imperceptible between the orbit of Millers planet and the surface of the planet
And if the planet was tidally locked, meaning the same face always was pointing towards the black hole why would there be huge tidal wave that moved along the surface? The reason why tides move on Earth is because Earth is spinning faster than the Moon is rotating around so it's less the tides moving around the Earth and more Earth moving towards the tides. If the planet is tidally locked it would rotate at the same rate as the tidal bulging meaning no tidal wave moving around the planet.
There is a problem with the waves though. The water depth is insufficient to support a non breaking wave. The wave should be continually breaking as the drag at the leading edge caused by the sea floor would cause it to slow, allowing the following body of water to overtake and break over.
@Marquise Strong yes, a non breaking wave needs one and a half times its height in water depth to support it. Shallower than that, the drag from the sea floor causes the leading edge to slow. I don't see that would change even under different gravitational conditions.
@RazorBackRoar I guess the movie's advisors were experts in the mechanics of space flight, time dilation and gravity. But maybe no geographers on board...
I think the highly ionizing EM radiation from the black hole accretion disk would evaporate the oceans, break apart water molecules, and strip them off into space.
Could a magnetosphere from potential iron core stop this process? Or maybe Miller's Planet used to be much further away from Gargantua, but is on a decaying orbit and the process already started but it lasts very long due to the time dilation?
The ocean is probably the same depth everywhere because the wave has tumbled all available debris along with it and ground off, or filled in all the high/low spots.
Most of the questions people have about this scenario are answered in Kip Thorne's "The Physics of Interstellar". Sadly the one thing he didn't analyse was the effect of extreme time-dilation on the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB). The CMB would be hotter than the Sun seen from Earth and Miller's Planet would be hot enough to melt aluminium.
Light from the accretion disc.... yes, but from up this close it would bake the surface, bombard it with neutrons and so on. Thin disc with stuff moving close to the speed of light surely also fuses stuff. Unless the time dilation effects on the planet also "stretch" the radiation and spread incoming high energy particles over longer time period.
Really? You're the first to say that. That just boosted my confidence lol people have been saying that I need to enunciate better which I kind of agree with. what do you think?
That's neat that the advisor Got to have one of the robots named after him I find the robots in interstellar extremely fascinating for their design but also their Mobility I think it was a interesting and refreshing to take on an Android companion
Love the movie Interstellar! I wish the narrator explained time dilation. Unless I missed it, the narrator explained the effects of time dilation not what it is.
@@dominiicp Oh I really enjoyed this movie, the visuals alone are amazing. But yes, there are some especially daft descions made in the film, this being one of them.
I also think the shallow ocean might come from extreme erosion. The tidal forces after millions of years caused all land to be leveled by relentless waves and the water was eventually just spread thin across the entire planets' surface. It is possible that water was much more scarce resource on Miller's Planet than it is on Earth, so it became globe-wide puddle.
3:11 Waves are not caused by the gravitational pull of the moon but by the wind on earth So on Miller's planet there would be very large tidal change where all the water would collect on the side closest to the black hole and this bulge of water would rotate around the planet as the planet rotates however there would not be thin tall massive waves like there was in the movie.
No because the planet is constantly rotating at an incredibly high speed so when the first wave passes the gravity from the black hole pulls another bulging wave and repeats that process @@minimac721
shouldn't those tidal forces also be effecting the land under the ocean causing a nearly constant cracking of the planets crust so that the planet would be covered with erupting magma?
I think those tidal forces should bring the planet in a tidal lock: .... one rotation on it axis in one rotation around the black hole. Jupiter's moon Io is tidal locked and always faces Jupiter with the same side. However it's orbit is not circullar but eccentric, this changes in forces during it's orbit causes the vulcanism. Should the otbit of Miller's planet be excentric, it would be very vulcanic, but when is is circular there is not much change in forces to crack the crust.
Fun fact: To cause such a huge tume dilation on Miller's planet, Gargantua has to weigh 900 Million solar masses. And we've already found black holes like ton-18 and Phoenix A, which weigh 66 Billion solar masses!! Also, the gravity on Miller's planet should be muchhhh more than just 130% of earth's gravity, to cause such a huge time dilation
Actually I believe that because the planet and the astronauts are all within Gargantuas gravity well together they would feel only the gravity on the surface that is due to its mass. the bigger question is Would Miller's planet even exist that close to a black hole due to the accretion disk radiation, and also because of the tidal squeezing that should have turned the planet into a ball of molten rock
@@BradiKal61 This black hole is a fast spinning black hole and not a stagnant one. I don't know the science, but somehow this is the reason why Miller's planet still exists so near
@@najeebshah. I don't quite understand you. Time does change at different places in the universe. Its been proven already as the astronauts in the ISS are a few milliseconds behind from us
For the water planet, the biochemistry works differently at your head then it does your feet. Additionally the time distortion would be along a vector to that of the blackhole, which means it wont allow for your orbit or the cohesion of the planet with that amount of time dialation. Remember, as best we understand today, gravity is the result of a time dialation. A sort of space time anti buoyancy. So if Earth has such a minor effect, then landing on the surface of something versus orbit... well... they would have to had set foot on a star. Not something that a blackhole being merely nearby could cause.
What i found to be the most fascinating thing about interstellar is, mann spent 35 years on mann’s planet, edmund must have spent same amount if time like mann or less as we don’t know when and how he died, but millers must spent just 2-3 hours on millers planet. 🤯🤯🤯
I want to know how the radiation emitted by the accretion disk of a rapidly rotating black hole would not have fried the surface of Miller's Planet to slag!
I am super confused because I read online that the waves on the planet occur every hour. I wanna ask a question because of that: They land shortly before a wave and lift off shortly before the next wave, so I understood it as one hour has passed which would result in 7 years. Yet, when they get back to the main ship, apperantly 23 years have passed instead of 7. How exactly does this work? Also, in the movie after the first wave hits them, its said that the engine needs around an hour to get the water out, yet the next wave already hits after they talk for only a few minutes (without a noticable time skip). That also confused me, can someone explain??? Or was this just a bad choice when it came to the cinematography?
exactly. that little oversight jumped out of the screen and beat me senseless first time i saw this movie. this planet was supposed to have 1.3g too. if you could make a tiny little shuttle get into anything like leo from the surface of a planet like that, all by itself, well shucks, who needs antigravity eh
@Dick Bird You just need to reach escape velocity. Considering the time period the fuel source probably has enough energy to accelerate them to escape velocity
I agree that the filmmakers cut a slack here. See the job of original explorer was to study the planet over the years to see if it is habitable or not. They knew about time dilation. They knew that the original person was there for 15 mins only. Still they went to see a plane.
Being on a planet heavily influenced by time dialation. I wonder if the night skies would look like they were going in fast motion. - seeing the stars move. Light might be affected in the same way though. So I don't know if you'd actually get to see it. - I wonder how affected we are by the milky way's super black hole, and how that distorts our view of the universe.
A water planet so close to a blackhole, who's gravitational pull is so great, trillions of tons of water is lifted miles into the sky... but somehow, tiny little humans stay grounded. 🤔 And lets also forget that this super tide can move around a tidally locked planet, the planet still has an atmosphere, & it's not a molten rock puddle from Gargantua's tidal forces.
The mass of the waves is significantly higher than that of the humans. Same thing happens for us here on Earth, small insects are actually so small that they slightly escape our own planets gravitational pull, but humans do not because we are bigger.
@@subsume7904 Yes, but on Earth tides are not pulled 20,000 feet into the sky, by the moon. The tallest tides on Earth are generally only around 30 feet. Interstellar is pulling an Independence Day 2 on us, where the giant space ship's gravity is pulling skyscrapers off their foundations, into the sky, but somehow the tiny humans running around are still grounded.
Before they went to Miller's planet, you could tell that Doyle knew that Plan B was the main goal. He probably would have eventually told all of them but it was his fate to drown on Miller's planet in order to allow the others to continue on their journey. If Coop would have know Plan B was the only planned option, he would have thought it was all a sham and would have steered the ship back to Earth immediately to spend his remaining time with his family. It's amazing how we watch fate unfold in this movie since it seems chaotic but then you realize how everything was predestined to happen.
Funny thing about the idea of time dilation is that we are all under time dilation relative to other stellar masses. Even our sun or earth itself, and for example our galactic core (the black hole(s) that reside there) Gravity however is a weak force, so the amount of it required to give a significant effect on our perceived universe is extreme (like black holes) but even a weak force is a force. So if you leave earth and spend time outside our solar system and outside the gravitational reach of stellar bodies you would "go faster" then folks on earth, not worth measuring from an experiential perspective.. but its there. So conceptually, Sol and by extension us, could be in a gravity well of something warping time for us, giving us "more time" relative to outside that sphere of influence. Fun concept for sci fi, but hard to present accurately witch is why this movie is so much fun to watch for me
Time dilation is only fun when you take it to extremes, which this movie does. For the sake of introducing the audience to the concept Interstellar takes liberties with other scientific concepts to let the conditions of the story exist, and also to let the audience make discoveries along with the characters. A LOT Of sci-fi has to dumb down its main characters for that reason, and its kind of a necessary evil to keep the entertainment factor high .
I think there is a moon orbiting around either Jupiter or Saturn, that is subject to tidal forces that induce volcanism. The shifting rocks heat up and burst out. Imagine what would happen around the massive black hole if a planet can do this to its moon.
The time dilation happens for anything under the blackhole orbit, so why did 23 years pass for Romily? The spacecraft was under the same gravitational pull as Miller's plant.
A wave is like an iceberg. There is an equal amount of ice below the surface as there is above the surface. Waves are the same. A thousand foot wave can't travel across a barren ocean floor (which is why it looks so bizarre in this scene).
The wave is supposed to break at shallow water. It is like 65degree breakpoint in earth, with 1.3x gravity it should be even less. Shallow water means 1/20L (L is here wavelenght and the distance between 2 waves). The water depth looks 0.7 meter (even less). So 20L means 14 meter. If the next wave is further than 14 meters, it means that water is shallow water. So, any wave will break. I must say that it is not possible to have such a big wave on that shallow water
interstellar; movie that biologist and chemist could have solved on earth but instead chose physicist to go into wormhole to look for another planet near a blackhole and solve unsolvable gravity equation to get everyone on earth to that new planet. not knowing if the plants would grow on that planet or not.
Question : how could millers planet survive being so close to a SMBH. And is the sky bright there due to black hole? Looks like its revolving around some star like our sun
a crazy thought is the dude that died basically drowned and his body his just flailing around the planet in huge waves for hundreds of years our time.....
If we assumed an average planet density equal to Earth's what would need to be the mass of this Miller planet, in order to retain its atmosphere, considering the strong pull from Gargantua?
How did earth receive the beacon signal from Miller's planet so fast? Did Miller land on the planet, see that there was water, and immediately activate the beacon without second thought? Seems like the water waves come every hour or so. I guess that's kind of up to interpretation... Mainly curious how time dilation affects the signal when activated. Light/radio should take 7 earth years every hour to reach earth as well I would think, otherwise there would be some paradox or something. I know it's science fiction lol but I'm curious
Really enjoyed the video although wish you slowed your speech down a bit and gave us some time to process the information of one topic before you moved on to the next :)
I would say this is a flaw with the movie that people chose not to talk about because why would you even explore a planet where you know the time variation. Hey let's search for alternative world to live in where we would die before our current planet dies.
You highlighted a key concept left out of most musing about time dilation: you are only allotted the time of your normal lifespan. No matter how slow your time moves relative to another's time, the total local perceived time you have remains the same.
Okay so, I know very little about physics, and I was confused as to how the main character survives traveling into the black hole at the end, past the event horizon (didn’t he?). Even though it’s a rotating black hole, wouldn’t the gravitational pull be immensely destructive around the center?
The destructive force with the event horizon of a black hole comes from the tidal forces gravity creates, that is to say a point closer to the black hole feels stronger gravity than a point farther away, for a stellar mass black hole (i.e. a black hole no more massive than a star) this tidal force would in fact be lethal, often (and nicely) referred to "spagettification" in documentaries (because the reality is not so nice). However as the black hole gets more massive in a strange twist these tidal forces get less intense and the reason for that is that the event horizon is farther away so while the overall strength in gravity is stronger due to it being more massive the difference in the strength of gravity between two points (aka the tidal forces) becomes smaller so surviving a journey into a super massive black hole like Gargantua would be possible... well up until the point where the tidal forces (and not the magical 4 dimensional bookshelf as depicted in the movie) do rip you apart.
That part was super fictional lol. I didn't mind it though, thought it was a good ending. Seeing Cooper explode into vegetable soup inside his spaceship woulda been cool too.
I guess there’s a much deeper part of the ocean otherwise where would all that water for the wave come from? Normally the water recedes then creates the tidal wave so it’s just different on that water planet.
@@joelelbert1185 On the other side of the planet (probably)? Guess not, it sure was unexpected because at first they had no idea what it was. Also, they didn't orbit the planet, they went straight in, to the beacon.
NASA, i must say went above and beyond in their design and builtding of the Ranger Shuttles. I don't think any craft made today could get abused that much and still allow for mission success. Hell the inside has been made to operate just fine after exposure to alien water.
when the tides hit. Its cause 23 year with 7 year so its mean that 35 year pass. When 35 year passed. The year on earth was 3091. Then actually edmunds died because the endurance crew goes to millers planet. When the endurance crew landed on millers edmunds died before so actually ameila buried her love. Because edmund was ameila love. So that why ameila buried her love. And that to be continued.
Whoa that just blew my mind lol I didn't even think of that. It makes sense because she lands there, learns that the planet is hostile and also knows the time dilation effect, so she sends the thumbs-up beacon knowing that by the time they arrived, it will have only been a little time for her, so she wouldn't even need the cryogenic fugue. but how would she know it was hostile before experiencing the waves that killed her? Surely she would not activate the thumbs-up beacon right as the waves are killing her? Hmmm.
@@Sarom335 Thanks! Loved your video. Maybe details left out or because it is a movie, but I think being so close to the black hole has inherent dangers. She would’ve known that in orbit. I was going to say she would’ve done a full scan of the planet before landing but that is too Star Trekky and clearly they didn’t have that kind of tech. How about this: we know from the time dilation that she sent the signal very shortly after she arrived. Did that give her enough time to analyze the planet and certify its safety for the last survivors of humanity? Or was it more likely that she could quickly see the danger and send the signal with the hopes of someone coming to here and having a potential escape, just like Mann did? Keep up the good work! I’ll watch your channel grow!
She sent the thumbs up beacon before seeing the killer waves I think. But she shouldn't be sending the beacon for rescue, as astronauts had to die if the planet was uninhabitable
@@siddharthkumar593 correct. They shouldn’t use the beacon for rescue. They all knew it was a potential suicide.mission. However, at least two didn’t want to die. Also the video stated the air was toxic therefore no one removed their helmet.
The massive tsunamis depicted on Miller’s planet would have been impossible. Why? When the astronauts got out of the ship they were in knee-high water. There is no possibility a tsunami as shown is possible in water that shallow
Sort of. The point of that planet was that the tidal forces of a rotating planet (which would not have been rotating in such a high gravity field) was that like how on Earth, the rotation of the planet with respect to a gravitational source (our moon) would cause the water to "bunch up" on the side towards and away from the source, (like Earth tides) and the flow of that water would have worn down the high points and filled in the low places with eroded rock/soil. The problem is that any planet with waves like that would melt into lava from the tidal forces distorting the planet constantly and the water would all be superheated steam
@@obiyobi3939 the physics work like so-the wave could only be as tall as the depth of the water. Even if a 20-mile-wide Asteroid crashed into an ocean 20 inches deep, that asteroid could only produce a tsunami of…20 inches. You have a good point about the water receding, but in this case the wave would have to break if in shallows like that. Idk…’ doesn’t matter that much. It looks cool on screen and it’s a movie :)
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I always thought the water was shallow b/s the rest was pulled by the gravity and forming a huge wave somewhere. So if there were no waves it would actually be deep.
Yeah the tsunami effect, the tidal waves sucked up all the water.
That is smart thinking too wow
That mountain sized waves could only rise water a few more meters not more.
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@@bartycrouchjr.8831why do you think there was 1 wave total, planetwide???
From what I understand the waves aren't actually moving, the planet is rotating into a large water mass that is locked by the extreme gravitational force exerted by gargantua
This is really cool concept.
I wonder if with the ocean so shallow the opposite side of the planet would be completely dry, because all the water "slipping off" the planet's spherical suface towards the black-hole's center?
I would love sequels to this movie and other thought provoking movies like Inception. Unfortunately we only get one movie of each. Meanwhile, there are approximately 10 million mindless Fast and Furious movies.
Inception would be terrible too after ten sequels. Probably before that.
Yeah...What sense does that make!! Zero!
@@erichayes2890 It's because a real original idea, with characters that have definite arcs, doesn't necessarily lend itself to having lots of sequels. Where would you go with Inception without wearing the whole premise pretty thin?
@@Bapuji42 I thought inception was inspired by an anime not exactly an original-original.
@@LucyFerr000 You know what I mean, I'm not going to split hairs.
2:56 If you are close enough to a neutron star for it to give earth like daylight, it make you very dead in the same time. Those things emits a lot of ionizing radiations, and if it is a pulsar the planet atmosphere would be blasted away by the jets.
That phony science knowledge isnt fooling anyone. Black holes arent proven yet and you claim to know its exact abilities and range
Right. In reality, this close to the black hole's powerful accretion disk, Miller's planet would be barren, airless, molten hell of a world.
Gargantua is a black hole with an accretion disk, but yes- that disk creates MASSIVE amounts or radiation.
@@majormarketing6552 Your statement displays the familiarity with science that one would expect from a half-orc / halfling neutral evil cleric
As somebody who was blasted away into molecular matter by ionizing radiation, i understand this
I'll point out an additional anomaly that makes the ocean tides so huge. As you've mentioned, the tides are ultimately caused by gravitational forces that most likely come from Gargantua, but the swells of the wave sizes are caused by a lack of any landmass. Water waves generally cannot reach past a certain size on their own due to continental shelves and landmasses that the waves ultimately meet.
This means: because there are presumably are no shelves or landmasses, the waves have nothing to stop their consistency, thus making the gravitational forces of Gargantua causing uncollapsable waves of fantastically mammoth size. On a relatively smooth-faced planet with nothing but water, there's nothing to stop the waves, so they just increase and increase and increase as far as they can based on how much gravity is caused by Gargantua, of which it's noted is 130% earth's (which, for lack of a better word, is... bananas).
The thing is, the level of gravity that would cause that to be possible would also tidally lock the planet very quickly
Once it's tidally locked, no more tides ironically enough
@@hoominbeeing Two things: 1) Miller's may be tidally locked with Gargantua but that wouldn't keep it from rotating on an axis that points at Gargantua (remember that Miller's is ovoid so that would be its long axis) - if that's the case then the planet might be turning underneath waves that are more or less sitting in place 2) Even if the planet isn't spinning on that axis, it might have a wobble that could set up motion in the water.
@@hubbsllc 1. Planets do not spin underneath their waves. Even atmosphere, which is much less dense than water, spins with the earth. Water is denser and would do the same on Miller's planet
2. With how the wave is depicted and explained, we already know this is false. It circles the entire planet. No form of wobble can cause that.
@@hoominbeeinghey you should really watch some Videos explaining the thoughts and physics around Millers Planet. It had 3 Criteria, 1 can possibly be liveable for Humans, 2 can have this tsunamis, 3 has exactly this Time Difference of 7 Years. They made it possible in what can happen respecting Physics. 1. The Problem is that it can be too hot, you would expect otherwise but because this Black Hole didn’t eat a Star in 10 Million Years it was neither too hot or cold. 2. Because of the Gravity of the Black Hole and how fast the Planet is Spinning to keep a nearly stable Position as well that it is shaped like an Egg it creates this massive waves of 40km high and yes this wave is basically right where the black hole is like with Earth and the Moon and the position of ebb and flow. You should really watch the video of Doktor Whatson, he is my Source and although it’s in German it maybe has Subtitles. The had a Physician Team doing all the Math behind so it’s actually really accurate. It’s really unlikely, nearly impossible for Millers Planet to exist because of how unlikely all Criteria’s come together but in an endless Universe who knows, it’s possible.
The extreme proximity of Miller's planet to the massive black hole (BH) would have one more significant consequence. You mention the BH accretion disk emitting light but also note that EM radiation in the full range of beyond visible spectrum would be emitted. This EM emission would consist of high energy radiation most likely due to the extreme gravitational field acting on the accretion disk to emit high energy particles and radiation. This would most definitely bombard Miller's planet and unless the planet possessed a strong magnetic field, it would not have sufficient protection from the harmful high energy radiation doing damage to planet and any occupants.
That was one of the first thoughts that I had about the planet. But it was fiction, getting all of the physics correct wouldn't necessarily make for a good story.
Yeah the movie wasn't scientifically accurate at all. They magic space dust time things
The EM radiation could also be blocked by the atmosphere/clouds. Similar to how earth's ozone layer and atomosphere. protects us from the full EM spectrum that our sun emits
While earth has some protection from our suns radiation, the sun also plays an important role in protecting our planets from our galaxy's radiation.
I'm a physicist and I liked this sci-fi movie very much, however..with a huge time dilation depicted, where 1 hour equal several years in a target reference system, escaping speed for returning to the original one would mean achieving 99.99% of a light speed. NO WAY!!
@@diomedes7971 I'm not an expert in the physics of the relativity, but I can relate to some of the questions raised by you. In respect to the issue of the proximity of Miller's planet to the black hole, it is not a issue: all matter that spins the black hole is essentially in a free fall and as long as the gravitational pool is not manifested on a local scale of several meters, no one would be hurt. In fact, one of the most interesting theories regarding the existence of our universe, assume that the entire 3-d universe that we are experiencing, exist on 2-d plane of an event horizon of a huge black hole... The only effect of the black hole in that scenario would be the impossibility of the return flight from Miller's planet.
@@diomedes7971 I haven't watched the movie recently but the apparent size of the black hole doesn't mean the planet is that close. The picture depicts clearly the accretion disk where matter flies by and heats up insanely, and it's clearly not in the vicinity of the planet.
He says anything trapped in the black holes gravity is effected by time dilation. My question is let’s say there are 4 planted trapped by the black holes gravitational pull would the time dilation be different on the planet closest to the hole vs the planet furthest away?
@@bling815 yes the closer you're from the black hole the stronger the time dilatation is
Explained around 2 mins in with Kip Thorne's input
The hardest part for me to believe is that they didnt orbit the planet first, did some basic observations, and notice that this planet was insanely dangerous to land on. Well for reasons outside the time dialation.
1, suspense of disbelief; this is science fiction. 2, The plot stated that they were time-constrained. How long would you think it'd take to orbit whole planet? + that the planet is orbitting the gargantua! + Cooper wanted to save fuel + they thought the water was a good indicator of livable planet.
@brosplit that's my problem with this movie. If it's just sci fi I'd be fine but every person and scientist sold this as some scientist miracle. And yeah, that tiny shuttle has the delta v to direct lift off and break away from a planets gravity well. The 25 min for a orbit before you land on a dangerous planet is just common sense. Or send a probe ahead of time??
@@mnaglich your expectations are the things that lets you down. This movie was never promising something bombastic as you claimed but as it is : a sci-fi made by nolan. It is on you, and you seem to miss many plot points too.
@@mnaglich send a probe ahead of time? 😂 Did you even digest the whole plot?
@@brosplit not a probe from earth, from their mothership
The only thing nobody explained is why that same flying pod had to leave Earth in a "normal" rocket, with stages and whatnot. Than, after acoplate on the space station they use to travel, only the pod have strenght to descend and to escape that planet with a 30% INCREASE on the gravity.
Fuel
True, went from earth technology to star wars technology without explaination
yep, they were not leaving that planet in the little space ship, no way no how
I will never get over how silly this is. Not the planet or physics, that stuff is super cool, but the fact that they landedon this planet at all is bonkers
I feel like the water planet was inspired by a Larry Niven (AMAZING sci fi author) story "There Is A Tide". The story appears in a collection published in 1974 , called "A Hole In Space".
If you haven't read any Larry Niven, you are missing out. He came to prominence in the 1960s and he always was a leader in mixing hard science with extrapolated technology. He's up there with Heinlein and other SF greats .
I've only read his probably most famous book Ringworld.
@@Sarom335 He really is one of the pioneers of sci fi. Even though some of his ideas feel a bit dated, most of them have timeless concepts in them, and his characters are really interesting.
He wrote some books with Jerry Pournelle that are pretty famous, like Lucifer's Hammer (comet hits the earth), The Mote In God's Eye (distant future where we meet aliens) , Footfall (An alien race shows up and drops rocks on Earth)
@@BradiKal61 I wanna read another story by him. Out of the ones you mentioned which one should I read next?
The Mote in God's eye.
@Sarom while The Mote in Gods Eye (and its sequel) is good, it's set in a different Universe than RingWorld.
I recommend exploring the RingWorld series further first - I think it's called the Tales of Known Space series (other authors have also written books for it).
There's a sequel to RingWorld, but first, there are a few books that give some _very important_ background information.
The book you must read next is *Protector*
It's a short read but the "revelations" about humanity and other stuff tie into RingWorld.
And it's just got a mind blowing concept. [Spoilers].
*World of Ptavvs* should be next after that, it also includes important background information about the setting (that many characters wouldn't know) but will be easter eggs in other books and is set in a similar time period to Protector - Earth in a roughly the Expanse level of tech and not yet having alien contact.
Larry Niven has two main settings, Humanity at that level with ramscoop STL travel, and then much later with a FTL multi species civilisations, which is when the RingWorld series is set.
Then the next important read is *The RingWorld Engineers.*
From there there's further RingWorld books, more books set in the early periods of the Solar system and STL travel, and another series about the Man/Kitzen Wars.
Enjoy.
My own suspicion, is that Miller's planet is probably also in the early stages of breaking apart, due to the tides. Time dilation might be the only thing keeping the planet together. The planet might normally take months to years to be destroyed, which would translate into tens of thousands of years.
The saddest part of this firm is they didn’t show what happened to to the original scientist that went to this world. After the scene where he isn’t able to get into the ship it shows him floating in the water, since it had only been a few years on earth that the OG scientist was on the planet because of the time dialation she was only there for about 15 minutes and the OG astronaut was left behind and it sparked debate if that floating body was the scientist we saw or the other scientist that was on the planet before them that wasn’t able to make it.
The body we saw wasn’t the original scientist, when the team saw the giant waves there were two people (the dead body guy and the one girl I forgot her name) and when they ran towards thier ship the girl made it but the other scientist didn’t make it so we see his body in the water, I wrote another comment about the actual original scientist under this
The body we saw in the water was not Miller because of the other comment I wrote, but some more reasoning I have is that we see Millers ship ripped apart and this proves that even though she only died a few minutes before the team arrived, she was still hit by a wave causing her to most likely be sent miles off in the distance or just ripped apart by the force of the waves
When you have a movie like this dealing with some of the most extreme concepts in real and theoretical physics we have to cut the filmmakers some slack in bending the known laws of physics . Some important concepts that are dealt with in Interstellar is that space travel takes a LONG time, that time dilation, black holes, and dimensions exist beyond the three spatial dimensions plus time that we are familiar with.
Interstellar didnt cheap out and provide its characters a handy warp engine but instead made their journey possible by understanding and using these new concepts.
2001A Space Odyssey remains for me the gold standard in near future space exploration movies, but Interstellar did try to stay grounded while bending the rules to make its story happen
Interstellar was fairly plausible for me until the end when the black hole conveniently spits out copper close to civilization and he is somehow found within the infinite vastness of space and brought home.
Amazing that their ship was able to jettison off the water surface of the Miller’s planet just in time before the wave hit them when you consider the ship itself weighed 30% more as well.
You are absolutely right and they did it with that small shuttle ship and to think that they initially left earth on top of a huge booster rocket just to escape earth's gravity into orbit.
@@arghentrock yep, that ship was not leaving that planet, ever, would need an even bigger huge booster rocket to overcome it's gravity
Why is it amazing? It's a movie and the events follow a script. It's fun to watch, but that's it.
I was amazed they escaped. They could’ve been stranded on that water world! Story ends there 😞
@@arghentrock Might have been a long time ago you watched the movie, but the reason they used rocket boosters was to save fuel in the rangers. They talked about saving fuel the whole time. They also brought a lot of supplies with them to the endurance.
First and foremost the 1st question i would ask is why the hell would you think that a planet so close to a black hole would be safe for colonisation.
Because the person who sent the beacon gave a thumbs up 👍 😂 also the planet is orbiting around it so it’s not being swallowed by the hole
I get the feeling that a planet in that close proximity to what looks like an SMBH's accredtion disk and a neutron star wouldn't have any atmosphere or water left on it.
So, the effect of time dilation due to the black hole's gravity is the same for everyone/everything at the same distance (R) from the black hole's center of mass. A difference in the passage of time only occurs if two objects are at two different R's. But if the distance is the same, there's no time dilation. Since Miller's Planet would be tidally-locked to the black hole, this means that if the ship from Earth were in a polar orbit around Miller's planet AND the people who landed on the planet were standing on the line marked by the ship's polar orbit through the surface of Miller's Planet, there would be nearly zero time dilation. Because everyone would be approximately the same distance from the black hole's center of gravity.
I agree. The black hole has to be REALLY massive in order to generate a gravitational effect far enough away from the hole to be unaffected to the accretion disk radiation , and at that extreme distance the gradient is going to be imperceptible between the orbit of Millers planet and the surface of the planet
And if the planet was tidally locked, meaning the same face always was pointing towards the black hole why would there be huge tidal wave that moved along the surface? The reason why tides move on Earth is because Earth is spinning faster than the Moon is rotating around so it's less the tides moving around the Earth and more Earth moving towards the tides. If the planet is tidally locked it would rotate at the same rate as the tidal bulging meaning no tidal wave moving around the planet.
There is a problem with the waves though. The water depth is insufficient to support a non breaking wave. The wave should be continually breaking as the drag at the leading edge caused by the sea floor would cause it to slow, allowing the following body of water to overtake and break over.
Even if the entire planet is covered in water?
@Marquise Strong yes, a non breaking wave needs one and a half times its height in water depth to support it. Shallower than that, the drag from the sea floor causes the leading edge to slow. I don't see that would change even under different gravitational conditions.
@@Brit_in_Mindanao nice
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@RazorBackRoar I guess the movie's advisors were experts in the mechanics of space flight, time dilation and gravity. But maybe no geographers on board...
I think the highly ionizing EM radiation from the black hole accretion disk would evaporate the oceans, break apart water molecules, and strip them off into space.
Could a magnetosphere from potential iron core stop this process?
Or maybe Miller's Planet used to be much further away from Gargantua, but is on a decaying orbit and the process already started but it lasts very long due to the time dilation?
The ocean is probably the same depth everywhere because the wave has tumbled all available debris along with it and ground off, or filled in all the high/low spots.
Dude jesus your highly underated, i truely enjoy learning about planets. I hope you do nake more on various more.
Most of the questions people have about this scenario are answered in Kip Thorne's "The Physics of Interstellar". Sadly the one thing he didn't analyse was the effect of extreme time-dilation on the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB). The CMB would be hotter than the Sun seen from Earth and Miller's Planet would be hot enough to melt aluminium.
If your movie needs a separate paper to explain things so they make sense you did a bad job making the movie.
What are you even talking about
The CMBR was produced long before the black hole was created and the time dilation started to happen
Light from the accretion disc.... yes, but from up this close it would bake the surface, bombard it with neutrons and so on. Thin disc with stuff moving close to the speed of light surely also fuses stuff.
Unless the time dilation effects on the planet also "stretch" the radiation and spread incoming high energy particles over longer time period.
1:32 - that visual... wow.
A planet evenly with 16” of water except for enormous waves.
Only makes sense to a movie producer who wants a cool shot in the movie.
What I fail to comprehend is as human species we are looking for life everywhere and destroying it on our own planet.
a great visual reference for the water planet from Children of Ruin
Your voice is amazing for doing this kind of videos! Keep it up!!
Really? You're the first to say that. That just boosted my confidence lol people have been saying that I need to enunciate better which I kind of agree with. what do you think?
That's neat that the advisor Got to have one of the robots named after him I find the robots in interstellar extremely fascinating for their design but also their Mobility I think it was a interesting and refreshing to take on an Android companion
Love the movie Interstellar!
I wish the narrator explained time dilation. Unless I missed it, the narrator explained the effects of time dilation not what it is.
There is no way you would think to colonise such a planet, it's ridiculous.
Yes but we all claim this is such a great movie and it seems so realistic
Just move the planet , or colonize the black hole , Type 3 civilization style.
@@dominiicp Oh I really enjoyed this movie, the visuals alone are amazing.
But yes, there are some especially daft descions made in the film, this being one of them.
Which is why they didn't.
@@wtfpantera but they went to the planet to investigate knowing the time variation.
I also think the shallow ocean might come from extreme erosion. The tidal forces after millions of years caused all land to be leveled by relentless waves and the water was eventually just spread thin across the entire planets' surface. It is possible that water was much more scarce resource on Miller's Planet than it is on Earth, so it became globe-wide puddle.
3:11 Waves are not caused by the gravitational pull of the moon but by the wind on earth So on Miller's planet there would be very large tidal change where all the water would collect on the side closest to the black hole and this bulge of water would rotate around the planet as the planet rotates however there would not be thin tall massive waves like there was in the movie.
Exactly,
Also this should only be one wave I believe right??
Yes that is correct!
No because the planet is constantly rotating at an incredibly high speed so when the first wave passes the gravity from the black hole pulls another bulging wave and repeats that process @@minimac721
shouldn't those tidal forces also be effecting the land under the ocean causing a nearly constant cracking of the planets crust so that the planet would be covered with erupting magma?
I think those tidal forces should bring the planet in a tidal lock: .... one rotation on it axis in one rotation around the black hole. Jupiter's moon Io is tidal locked and always faces Jupiter with the same side. However it's orbit is not circullar but eccentric, this changes in forces during it's orbit causes the vulcanism. Should the otbit of Miller's planet be excentric, it would be very vulcanic, but when is is circular there is not much change in forces to crack the crust.
Fun fact: To cause such a huge tume dilation on Miller's planet, Gargantua has to weigh 900 Million solar masses. And we've already found black holes like ton-18 and Phoenix A, which weigh 66 Billion solar masses!! Also, the gravity on Miller's planet should be muchhhh more than just 130% of earth's gravity, to cause such a huge time dilation
Actually I believe that because the planet and the astronauts are all within Gargantuas gravity well together they would feel only the gravity on the surface that is due to its mass. the bigger question is Would Miller's planet even exist that close to a black hole due to the accretion disk radiation, and also because of the tidal squeezing that should have turned the planet into a ball of molten rock
@@BradiKal61 This black hole is a fast spinning black hole and not a stagnant one. I don't know the science, but somehow this is the reason why Miller's planet still exists so near
its just a concept, time isnt a force that can move separately in separate parts, its a constant. no matter where you are time is the same everywhere
@@najeebshah. I don't quite understand you. Time does change at different places in the universe. Its been proven already as the astronauts in the ISS are a few milliseconds behind from us
@@siddharthkumar593 its never been proven.on the station, its still a theory
For the water planet, the biochemistry works differently at your head then it does your feet. Additionally the time distortion would be along a vector to that of the blackhole, which means it wont allow for your orbit or the cohesion of the planet with that amount of time dialation. Remember, as best we understand today, gravity is the result of a time dialation. A sort of space time anti buoyancy. So if Earth has such a minor effect, then landing on the surface of something versus orbit... well... they would have to had set foot on a star. Not something that a blackhole being merely nearby could cause.
So the scientist who stayed on board put himself to sleep for 23 years? Did he time it perfectly so he would be awake already when they returned?
Big Goldilocks zone too. Given how far apart, and how far from the black hole the planets are.
I never understood why living next to a blackhole is a wise move if anything but temporary.
But they couldn’t live in that planet since the air composition is toxic to humans
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1 hour on Miller’s planet is actually
6 years 11 months and 23 days
What i found to be the most fascinating thing about interstellar is, mann spent 35 years on mann’s planet, edmund must have spent same amount if time like mann or less as we don’t know when and how he died, but millers must spent just 2-3 hours on millers planet. 🤯🤯🤯
I want to know how the radiation emitted by the accretion disk of a rapidly rotating black hole would not have fried the surface of Miller's Planet to slag!
I am super confused because I read online that the waves on the planet occur every hour. I wanna ask a question because of that:
They land shortly before a wave and lift off shortly before the next wave, so I understood it as one hour has passed which would result in 7 years. Yet, when they get back to the main ship, apperantly 23 years have passed instead of 7.
How exactly does this work?
Also, in the movie after the first wave hits them, its said that the engine needs around an hour to get the water out, yet the next wave already hits after they talk for only a few minutes (without a noticable time skip). That also confused me, can someone explain??? Or was this just a bad choice when it came to the cinematography?
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The planet has to be lit by the blackhole. Otherwise it should be dark from gravitational redshifting so the neutron star isn't even worth considering
How did they escape the planet’s gravity in just the lander, when they needed a full traditional rocket to launch from Earth?
exactly. that little oversight jumped out of the screen and beat me senseless first time i saw this movie. this planet was supposed to have 1.3g too. if you could make a tiny little shuttle get into anything like leo from the surface of a planet like that, all by itself, well shucks, who needs antigravity eh
@Dick Bird You just need to reach escape velocity. Considering the time period the fuel source probably has enough energy to accelerate them to escape velocity
@@Kai...999 they wouldn't have needed it to leave earth then
Great video. I loved this movie so much that I had to grab "the science of interstellar" soon afterwards.
The extra weight would play hell on the joints. My father, at an advanced age, was carrying a few extra pounds and his hip started acting up.
I agree that the filmmakers cut a slack here. See the job of original explorer was to study the planet over the years to see if it is habitable or not. They knew about time dilation. They knew that the original person was there for 15 mins only. Still they went to see a plane.
Great explanation. Thanx.
Being on a planet heavily influenced by time dialation. I wonder if the night skies would look like they were going in fast motion. - seeing the stars move.
Light might be affected in the same way though. So I don't know if you'd actually get to see it. - I wonder how affected we are by the milky way's super black hole, and how that distorts our view of the universe.
A water planet so close to a blackhole, who's gravitational pull is so great, trillions of tons of water is lifted miles into the sky... but somehow, tiny little humans stay grounded. 🤔
And lets also forget that this super tide can move around a tidally locked planet, the planet still has an atmosphere, & it's not a molten rock puddle from Gargantua's tidal forces.
I thought he explained the reason. Now I’ll need to watch it again😙
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He explained why the planet doesn't fall into the blackhole.
The mass of the waves is significantly higher than that of the humans. Same thing happens for us here on Earth, small insects are actually so small that they slightly escape our own planets gravitational pull, but humans do not because we are bigger.
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Yes, but on Earth tides are not pulled 20,000 feet into the sky, by the moon. The tallest tides on Earth are generally only around 30 feet.
Interstellar is pulling an Independence Day 2 on us, where the giant space ship's gravity is pulling skyscrapers off their foundations, into the sky, but somehow the tiny humans running around are still grounded.
@@subsume7904 I don't think insects are excused from gravity.
Before they went to Miller's planet, you could tell that Doyle knew that Plan B was the main goal. He probably would have eventually told all of them but it was his fate to drown on Miller's planet in order to allow the others to continue on their journey. If Coop would have know Plan B was the only planned option, he would have thought it was all a sham and would have steered the ship back to Earth immediately to spend his remaining time with his family. It's amazing how we watch fate unfold in this movie since it seems chaotic but then you realize how everything was predestined to happen.
Funny thing about the idea of time dilation is that we are all under time dilation relative to other stellar masses. Even our sun or earth itself, and for example our galactic core (the black hole(s) that reside there)
Gravity however is a weak force, so the amount of it required to give a significant effect on our perceived universe is extreme (like black holes) but even a weak force is a force. So if you leave earth and spend time outside our solar system and outside the gravitational reach of stellar bodies you would "go faster" then folks on earth, not worth measuring from an experiential perspective.. but its there.
So conceptually, Sol and by extension us, could be in a gravity well of something warping time for us, giving us "more time" relative to outside that sphere of influence. Fun concept for sci fi, but hard to present accurately witch is why this movie is so much fun to watch for me
Time dilation is only fun when you take it to extremes, which this movie does. For the sake of introducing the audience to the concept Interstellar takes liberties with other scientific concepts to let the conditions of the story exist, and also to let the audience make discoveries along with the characters.
A LOT Of sci-fi has to dumb down its main characters for that reason, and its kind of a necessary evil to keep the entertainment factor high .
I felt 7 years older after watching that scene
I think there is a moon orbiting around either Jupiter or Saturn, that is subject to tidal forces that induce volcanism.
The shifting rocks heat up and burst out.
Imagine what would happen around the massive black hole if a planet can do this to its moon.
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The time dilation happens for anything under the blackhole orbit, so why did 23 years pass for Romily? The spacecraft was under the same gravitational pull as Miller's plant.
Wow this was interesting!
excellent video. Loved it
A wave is like an iceberg. There is an equal amount of ice below the surface as there is above the surface. Waves are the same. A thousand foot wave can't travel across a barren ocean floor (which is why it looks so bizarre in this scene).
I thought he was going to explain the frozen cloud they tag when they enter the planets atmosphere
Runs on a garmin watch equals geomitry of a battery in there
The wave is supposed to break at shallow water. It is like 65degree breakpoint in earth, with 1.3x gravity it should be even less. Shallow water means 1/20L (L is here wavelenght and the distance between 2 waves). The water depth looks 0.7 meter (even less). So 20L means 14 meter. If the next wave is further than 14 meters, it means that water is shallow water. So, any wave will break. I must say that it is not possible to have such a big wave on that shallow water
interstellar; movie that biologist and chemist could have solved on earth but instead chose physicist to go into wormhole to look for another planet near a blackhole and solve unsolvable gravity equation to get everyone on earth to that new planet. not knowing if the plants would grow on that planet or not.
Oh, makes logical sense ❤ thanks
Question : how could millers planet survive being so close to a SMBH. And is the sky bright there due to black hole? Looks like its revolving around some star like our sun
Did you not watch the video 😑
@@kylegraham7363 give timestamp of my answer
a crazy thought is the dude that died basically drowned and his body his just flailing around the planet in huge waves for hundreds of years our time.....
If we assumed an average planet density equal to Earth's what would need to be the mass of this Miller planet, in order to retain its atmosphere, considering the strong pull from Gargantua?
At 4:05 if you look closely in the background, you can see the lights of a Taco Bell. Further proof that the planet is uninhabitable.
Nice video 👍
Black holes terrify me
same
what would we observe if we were to send a unmanned robo to millers planet. How would we perceive time, shown through robo's camera
How did earth receive the beacon signal from Miller's planet so fast? Did Miller land on the planet, see that there was water, and immediately activate the beacon without second thought? Seems like the water waves come every hour or so. I guess that's kind of up to interpretation... Mainly curious how time dilation affects the signal when activated. Light/radio should take 7 earth years every hour to reach earth as well I would think, otherwise there would be some paradox or something. I know it's science fiction lol but I'm curious
Really enjoyed the video although wish you slowed your speech down a bit and gave us some time to process the information of one topic before you moved on to the next :)
I want to have a look at Christopher Nolan's report card. He is extremely smart, I wonder what his teachers said about him.
It is always a bad idea to get so close to a black hole. They should have known better than to ever land on that planet.
Even if it did have breathable air they probably wouldn't have taken off their helments without finding out what's in the atmosphere
I would say this is a flaw with the movie that people chose not to talk about because why would you even explore a planet where you know the time variation. Hey let's search for alternative world to live in where we would die before our current planet dies.
You highlighted a key concept left out of most musing about time dilation: you are only allotted the time of your normal lifespan. No matter how slow your time moves relative to another's time, the total local perceived time you have remains the same.
Our tides are equally caused by the moon and the sun. Thats why when you have the moon and the sun lined up you get spring tides.
Fun fact : the water planet scene is shoot on earth
So wait if one day is 7 years.... wouldn't they have only recived one signal
If you were born when this movie started playing on this planet you’d be able to drink legally when it finished lol
Okay so, I know very little about physics, and I was confused as to how the main character survives traveling into the black hole at the end, past the event horizon (didn’t he?). Even though it’s a rotating black hole, wouldn’t the gravitational pull be immensely destructive around the center?
The destructive force with the event horizon of a black hole comes from the tidal forces gravity creates, that is to say a point closer to the black hole feels stronger gravity than a point farther away, for a stellar mass black hole (i.e. a black hole no more massive than a star) this tidal force would in fact be lethal, often (and nicely) referred to "spagettification" in documentaries (because the reality is not so nice). However as the black hole gets more massive in a strange twist these tidal forces get less intense and the reason for that is that the event horizon is farther away so while the overall strength in gravity is stronger due to it being more massive the difference in the strength of gravity between two points (aka the tidal forces) becomes smaller so surviving a journey into a super massive black hole like Gargantua would be possible... well up until the point where the tidal forces (and not the magical 4 dimensional bookshelf as depicted in the movie) do rip you apart.
That part was super fictional lol. I didn't mind it though, thought it was a good ending. Seeing Cooper explode into vegetable soup inside his spaceship woulda been cool too.
I guess there’s a much deeper part of the ocean otherwise where would all that water for the wave come from? Normally the water recedes then creates the tidal wave so it’s just different on that water planet.
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With 30% more gravity, how did they get back into space?
How did they know the water was so shallow allowing them to land where they did?
We have technology today that can determine the depth of a body of water. And they have slightly more advanced tech than we do.
@@sirius4k one would think that same tech could have also noticed a 3 mile high wave, too.
@@joelelbert1185 On the other side of the planet (probably)? Guess not, it sure was unexpected because at first they had no idea what it was. Also, they didn't orbit the planet, they went straight in, to the beacon.
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NASA, i must say went above and beyond in their design and builtding of the Ranger Shuttles. I don't think any craft made today could get abused that much and still allow for mission success. Hell the inside has been made to operate just fine after exposure to alien water.
not to mention how it can easily pick up and leave a planet with 30% more gravity then earth without huge rocket boosters
when the tides hit. Its cause 23 year with 7 year so its mean that 35 year pass. When 35 year passed. The year on earth was 3091. Then actually edmunds died because the endurance crew goes to millers planet. When the endurance crew landed on millers edmunds died before so actually ameila buried her love. Because edmund was ameila love. So that why ameila buried her love. And that to be continued.
Because millers was near gigantua. So that how the water form
No. Miller knew the planet was hostile. She sent the signal to get rescued. Just like Mann did.
Whoa that just blew my mind lol I didn't even think of that. It makes sense because she lands there, learns that the planet is hostile and also knows the time dilation effect, so she sends the thumbs-up beacon knowing that by the time they arrived, it will have only been a little time for her, so she wouldn't even need the cryogenic fugue. but how would she know it was hostile before experiencing the waves that killed her? Surely she would not activate the thumbs-up beacon right as the waves are killing her? Hmmm.
@@Sarom335 Thanks! Loved your video. Maybe details left out or because it is a movie, but I think being so close to the black hole has inherent dangers. She would’ve known that in orbit. I was going to say she would’ve done a full scan of the planet before landing but that is too Star Trekky and clearly they didn’t have that kind of tech. How about this: we know from the time dilation that she sent the signal very shortly after she arrived. Did that give her enough time to analyze the planet and certify its safety for the last survivors of humanity? Or was it more likely that she could quickly see the danger and send the signal with the hopes of someone coming to here and having a potential escape, just like Mann did?
Keep up the good work! I’ll watch your channel grow!
She sent the thumbs up beacon before seeing the killer waves I think. But she shouldn't be sending the beacon for rescue, as astronauts had to die if the planet was uninhabitable
@@siddharthkumar593 correct. They shouldn’t use the beacon for rescue. They all knew it was a potential suicide.mission. However, at least two didn’t want to die.
Also the video stated the air was toxic therefore no one removed their helmet.
@@confusedzentradi thank you for your kind words :)
The "water" planet. What kind of power did they produce from such a small ship to break the gravity and to get back out to space?
Nope.
I wish NDT was the narrator.
Can someone explain to me why is the guy who stayed on the main ship got older by 23 years if cooper and brand was down there less than an hour?
What do you think it felt like on their feet walking on the floor of that water? That alone would be scary.
The massive tsunamis depicted on Miller’s planet would have been impossible. Why? When the astronauts got out of the ship they were in knee-high water. There is no possibility a tsunami as shown is possible in water that shallow
I thought that when waves that big happen the water tends to recede?
Sort of. The point of that planet was that the tidal forces of a rotating planet (which would not have been rotating in such a high gravity field) was that like how on Earth, the rotation of the planet with respect to a gravitational source (our moon) would cause the water to "bunch up" on the side towards and away from the source, (like Earth tides) and the flow of that water would have worn down the high points and filled in the low places with eroded rock/soil.
The problem is that any planet with waves like that would melt into lava from the tidal forces distorting the planet constantly and the water would all be superheated steam
@@obiyobi3939 the physics work like so-the wave could only be as tall as the depth of the water. Even if a 20-mile-wide Asteroid crashed into an ocean 20 inches deep, that asteroid could only produce a tsunami of…20 inches. You have a good point about the water receding, but in this case the wave would have to break if in shallows like that. Idk…’ doesn’t matter that much. It looks cool on screen and it’s a movie :)
@@BradiKal61 ah ok thank you
@@erikrichardgregory ok that makes sense