Top court clears quota within SC/ST quota: 5 things it won’t do, 5 it will & how it changes politics
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A Supreme Court bench overruled a 2004 judgment and allowed states to create quotas within SC/ST quotas on the condition that data supports it. In Episode 1495 of Cut The Clutter, Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta discusses what the ruling says and what it does not, the dissenting opinion of 1 of 7 judges, and its political implications.
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One caste Meena has captured entire ST quota. Same in SC, for Jatavs. And then they show poverty statistics of other castes. These castes don't marry within each other as well.
Even if you don't exclude castes, rich individuals must be excluded.
How you know without
appropriate data?
@@TourDVibesJust look at merit list in various exams.
That is why india need to be a Christian nation and indians can not flourish among indians. Look at indian Americans are successful only because they live among Christians and only those managed to get the usa, the uk who have been civilized by the Britishers through modern education and science
@@rajx7120 in every merit Brahmin are more so it doesn’t mean you start classifying in upper caste as well it will be injustice to brahmin. Classification should be based on appropriate data of social and economic status of these caste.
@@TourDVibesBrahmin are not getting quota benefits We are talking of quota beneficiary. And brahmin are not the only caste in general category. Thakur, Baniya, Rajput, Khatri are also upper caste. All of them are equally found in unreserved merit list. Many times OBC creamy layer like Jats and Yadav are also there in unreserved merit list. And all of them are now marrying each other also.
Excellent judgment. I wish govt was more pro active in laying down such criteria few decades ago. Better justice would have been delivered. Digital India with Aadhar makes identification of needy easier
The same boundaries, if drawn by the Govt as law, would have been politically suicidal. Certain decisions are best taken by the Govt. NEET is another example
ST (Meena), SC (Jaatav), and OBC (Yadav) should now be considered as part of the general category since they occupy more than 50% of the quota. The government should be considerate towards the lowest sections of the ST, SC, and OBC categories.
Then % of reservation need be reduced as per the SC,ST section excluded.
Yadavas are obc is biggest joke of the century ...how much more do they want
Bangladesh like revolution against quota now
They may have highest reservation in jobs, but society has not yet accepted them equal to general (so called upper castes) , so yeah along with removing reservation we need to build a society where all are equal irrespective of birth caste
p. s. I'm having an unbiased opinion as I'm from general category myself and elders around me believes alot in casteism
Mr. Chandrababu Naidu made this sub categorisation in 2000. Mr. Babu understood injustice happening to certain categories in Sc's, and made sub categorisation in Sc's. Now supreme court uphold this sub categorisation. Great judgement.
Its all political tool, even the so called creamy Dalit caste Chamar is 80% Below Poverty line
@@exoticindiaa Well, the others will most likley be above 90%, so its all relative u see
That very Chandra Babu asked does anyone chooses to be born in scheduled caste ?
He just did everything for vote bank politics and got success in that equation.
Quota was on the basis of untouchability,that still exist,whatever his economical condition .obc creamy layer is general so sc creamy layer must included in obc
You know nothing sir. In Andhra ther are 2 major castes in SCs, Malas and Madigas. Malas are traditional Congress voters. he did it it to get Madiga votes by the means of sub classification. Its mere caste politics.
Meena who were not st by technical definition took 80% st share ,jatav took80% sc share ,yadav took 80% obc reservation .......even in these category tina dabi type people took real benefit and poor sc st are motivated to join political party karyakarta to protect reservation benefit for rich section of sc st
Have you any data....no data yet has been disclosed by any govt regarding which subcaste has been most benefitted in any caste.So rumour na faialye...let first come any survey and then go for it. jaha tk sc verdict ki baat h,creamy layer and noncreamy layer is totally a stupid concept here ..
@@pkumar1478 exam result data just mine that
@@user-hh6zh1kg8z sc st ke pass desh ki 2 percent se v km jamin hai. Ab bolo
@@PaswanSaheb reservation se zameen to mil nahi rahi hai, so the ur point is out of place.
Omg after land reform i mean land distribution entire india is marginalised just go by data not by someone saying i am landlord of 100 acre and who so ever have some land get reduced in two generation to nil ,land ownership to scale to agriculture produce is very alarming but we are not waking bcs manuwadi of reserved category dont want its benefit go beyond them to even their community member but time had come sawarn of sc st if leave reservation by themself respectfully or will be removed forcedfully .....time had come one politics in coming decade will make them taste their own recepy i am st from north east and i have left reservation by my own .......i cant live with tag of bichara
Indian Reservation system seems to motivate the reserved to remain reserved and not to uplift themselves from their poor socio-economic situation.
The ones relying on merit just simply leave the country and serve to improve other countries.
exactly my thoughts!
Dalit leaders betrayed Dalits for the last 75+ years but they blame OBC and general castes for their poverty
@@Kannadiga321-r4n they are corrupt people emboldened by the upper caste people to rot the society..
Really?? Who was last Dalit PM of India?
Mallikarjun kharge@@तरबुज_खाने_वाला_राक्षस
@@तरबुज_खाने_वाला_राक्षस Mallikarjun Kharge is from my taluk , he looted SC ST OBC uniformly , his illegal wealth Is around 50000cr , he wins every election without doing anything but gets almost 100% SC and Muslims votes it is enough to win the seat
@@Kannadiga321-r4n
Ohhh. Now people like you will decide who looted sc st community and who did not.
Tum general m as in nepotism toh khatam kar nahi paa rahe , dusro par gyaan de rahe ho.
The quotas are wrong. It does not create better society. Only meritocracy will create better society and create more benefit to the society. All jobs and admissions has to be by meritocracy.
Where is the social justice for Brahmins and Kshatriyas who suffered Islamic Invasions for 1200 years ?
Sholdn't they deserve their own Quota and Reservations too using same logic of "Social Justice" ?
hehe so true. reservation is a joke.
Excellent
IF OBC can have the creamy layer criteria then why not ST/SC.
abey OBC ko reservation mil gayi SC/ST ka pahle se tha isliye , itna me hi khush raho jada bakchodi mat pelo, SC/ST ka reservation economic basis pe nhi hai , obc ka economic pe hai samjhe free ka mil gya hai aaj kal ke netao ke karan
Toh kar dete hain
SC Reservation was introduced for representation of socially oppressed classes of Hindu society for 1000s of years, that is why a Christian or Muslim convert of such caste is barred from SC caste reservation.... ST reservation was introduced for representation of people based not only for social causes but also indigenous rights as they are the original inhabitants of these lands before other people migrated and dominated this subcontinent.. a tribe conversion to Abrahamic religion does not disqualify him from ST status..
Economic factor is not at all the criteria for such reservation.. For economic upliftment though helpful due to these quotas is mainly done from Government poverty elevation programs and not from reservation and quotas for such classes..
These reservations are meant solely for representatives purposes of such people and the right of such people to compete within themselves, mind it, they are still competing amongst themselves for their allotted seat, be it poor or rich SC and ST community ..
I think the decision to introduce sub classification within these group should be in consultation and involvement of these people.. Judiciary has already caused a major law and order problem from such parliamentary subjects such as in Manipur where the violence and warlike marginalization of two groups is still happening..The ruling Government has to bear the consequences of these ill conceived decisions.. BJP lost in Manipur from both warring factions constituency and is still not being able to face save itself.. Government should stop the Judiciary from interference in parliamentary affairs where thousands of life and law and order problems may arise just that few highly privileged Judges with no ground knowledge of reality interprets the constitution in a vague and illconceived manners..
If these differences and knowledge of constitutional provision is not understandable, then people have to start reading the constitution once more.. Jai Hind.
On a personal note, it would be good if there is a decree from the government to ban all caste and forbid the uses of caste surname like in the western nations since we are adopting and doing everything western..
Why can't we abolish caste systems make all us equal. we are all humans being God has created us. Don't Discriminate amongst ourself. Abolish caste systems. Every Indian is having Equal rights
@@sennely333first make equality among and within SC and OBC, their unity only for reservation benifits 😅
Excellent and bold decision by supreme court. It has only asked to remove people who have got SC/ST reservation benefit and uplifted, and only the underprivileged SC/ST should get the benefit. What is the wrong with it , why the benefited and uplifted SC/ST people should get benefit ?
After this judgement, one thing is certain: "interesting times lie ahead."
With 2024 Paris on, what an appropriate time for the Indian Discrimination Olympics! Whose ancestor's ancestor suffered the most?! After all, there must be clearly documented records pre the British (who certainly had no clear divide and rule policy, right?!).
Didn't most Hindus live under Muslim rule or fear? pay a tax to Muslim rulers? What recompense for that discrimination? Weren't Hindu places of worship destroyed for ballast for British train tracks? What recompense for that from non-Hindus?
There is no end to this. Time to stop this tamasha of B.R. Ambedkar
perfectly put! Time to end this nonsense.
@8.43- “if I’m the judge, my children should get benefit …” That was awesome!!!
excellent judgement...Such judgements keep actual democracy which means impoverished having equal rights and opportunities alive
In India identity politics defines the political landscape. Our best hope would be to become a middle income country before our dividend runs out. I personally think that even this would be extremely challenging if not impossible
Next logical step is to create creamy layer in the SC-ST category soon.
Good judgment… should be made applicable to politicians contesting from reserved constituencies.. Those who availed reservation for 2 times, should not be allowed to contest from a reserved constituency for the third time.. Chance should be given to a fresh candidate.
Why 2 chance make it one chance which yields pension.
India can keep infighting in the name of caste, religion and place. The USA and China will keep advancing. Nice game sir.
This is fate of India
US also fight in the name of RACE.
Chins in name of HAN ETHNICITY.
This is what hinduism offers for you 😂😂😂 ..I don't know why these right wingers say that Britishers made caste and never come forward and protest to ban it..
@@beprecise-o7v I am a practicing hindu and if you are really convinced to blame all the shortfalls and red flags of india to Hinduism, you are an idiot.
@@suneel7053 because of brahmanical mindset, our country will be always be deprived and stay underdeveloped. My friend please understand.
untouchability is widely practised by upper caste dalits with lower caste dalits within themselves
that's brahiminism in nut shell...like a farmer in dhoti was not allowed in mall bcoz who stopped him is suffering from colonial mindset..same goes in casteist behaviour in indians
@@VishalKumar-xp6gzdhoti is indian culture, it's not brahmin culture. Even brahmins wear dhotis . In southern india .
You're mixing up 2 different topics .
Shopping malls follow western culture.
Data??
Your brain is a nut shell@@VishalKumar-xp6gz
Don't even think to tinker with Muslim reservation , this country will be set on fire 🔥🔥🔥
First of all, the SC and ST reservation is to fight the issue of UNTOUCHABILITY. If you are an SC, u will always be an SC! Even big officers or successful people face this. Secondly, even if there is creamy layer added in SC/ST, suppose a govt employed peon is cut out of that slab, where will he go? How will he get any benefit? Could he or his family ever be a priest(brahmin) in a temple? NO!! He will always be labelled an SC. He will face the same lifestyle like a person from the unreserved category while still facing untouchability issues which are prevalent almost anywhere and everywhere in the country!!!! Think this through! It is quite a sensitive issue. Thirdly, the percentage of successful SC/STs arent that much to create such laws for them. Fourthly, did any of the SC/STs ask for this? Demand for this? Why is it happening now after elections? Lastly, think of the polarisation and rift this will cause in between the sub-castes!! OBCs and SC/STs have to a face a very different day to day scenario!! Untouchability, racial slurs and what not are still being experienced by SC/STs at higher levels in the society. Seems like the first step to Cut and curb out the SC/ST reservation.
Untouchability is everywhere 😂. Or just in the talk of those SC/ST who is looting in the name of reservations. There are many SC/ST priests why the heck are you talking about? Looks like you are just another rich brat who wants to grab the reservation instead of working hard.
Although I don’t agree with your opinion but i would like to know your idea on how to uplift a really poor ST/SC as compared to rich ST/SC.
@@yugalsinha8400Certainly! A poor man or lets say a govt employed peon from SC will not come under EWS because of the income limit hence he will have to pay the full fees every which where meaning he lives like an open category UR student under the tag of SC and will always be treated like an SC! Also, how are the developed SCs "taking" away the privileges from the poor SCs? Are they stopping them from taking the reservation? NO! Thats not even possible! It is just competition and believe me, there still are YEARS for the SC/STs to develop and the question about living without the tag of caste...thats a very far fetched dream. Again, due to this rift, the seats would remain empty and would go to the UR eventually cutting out the percentage of SC/ST reservation which seems to be the real agenda here.
When a system like this is misused by well-off people from the SC ST group, some interesting things happen: 1. A new group is created within the SC ST community itself. These are people who are rich but still qualify for reservation. 2. Remember, reservation doesn't get rid of the cutoff idea. So, you still need to pass the minimum requirement, but within your own category. 3.The rich SC ST individuals (there are millions of them now) have much better resources compared to the SC STs who are actually poor. 4. Because these wealthier SC ST individuals have more access to resources, they usually perform better than the poorer SC STs in competitive exams. 5. In simple words, the poorer SC STs in this country continue to face problems not because they face challenges from the General category or the elites, but from their own richer fellow SC STs who are misusing the system.
It's time they should start working and become meritorious instead of just depending on reservations because they are not anymore living in 90s
If any one with eyes can see
Meenas gobble upto 75% of st seats in every exam
This judgement is need of the hour
Divide and Rule ... Most likely to be a Political Judgement ... Dubious Intension...
who is ruling. there is no autocracy here. don't you think poor people among SC ST should get reservation. What solution do u have
Except MEENAS nobody is refusing this judgement vehemently
We refuse this judement dont be a peacemaker
Look at the bias in favour of Congress. While he says BJP will be tempted to play politics in U.P he flatly overlooking the same possibility by Congress & SP
If this is implemented correctly and creamy layer excluded after one or two benefits we can expect reservation to decline maybe next 20 30 yrs..
Reservation is given and can only give on the basis of "discrimination on the basis of caste", it did not given and cannot give on the basis of economical condition.
We Must oppose EWS Quota too.
Mr. Shekar Gupta: It's perfectly morally correct to play politics with caste. No wonder casteism doesn't die.
Landmark judgement... Country is moving towards progress... Hatsoff
Just because someone's a kid of a class 1 officer doesnt mean she/he won't face any discrimination.. infact there's a possibility they may face more ..
And how ironic someone named Mittal a (baniya) tells what SC/STs of the country have to go through.not that I'm against his caste or so. But he would never understand the type of discrimination an ST-SC had to go through.
Then reservation has failed you, we have to look for other solutions.
It's not about discrimination its about reservation
@@mpallim5192 reservation is that fire truck 🚒 which was to resolve the fire caused by discrimination.
@@SimonBelmont-zk6nn make up your mind, does reservation work or not?, you claim even a class 1 officer's son is not safe from discrimination, you on the other hand claim reservation is the fire truck to extinguish the fire that is discrimination. Being a class 1/ group A is as far as reservation can take you, if that is not safe what is the point of this entire exercise?
Creamy layer criteria for SC & STs must be removed in admissions to all educational institutions. Otherwise, hundreds and thousands of college seats will remain unfilled.
the aim of universities is not fill the seats by hook and crook. The candidates needs to be deserving.
That's ok we don't want an orthopedic who can't treat a broken hand because he got a seat for four marks and passed with fourteen marks🙏
@@pradaxina when universities fill seats by NRI/Foreign National/Management quota, are they looking for ‘deserving’ candidate? Please don’t talk rubbish.
@@ExquisiteKorpseLol there is no NRI Quota in IIT or AIIMS. This shows your knowledge level.
@@sumeet7633 India’s premier govt law colleges (NLUs) have foreign national and NRI quotas. Top medical colleges have them too. Don’t give the rubbish merit argument. At least SC STs give entrance exams and enter colleges. These foreign nationals and NRI people don’t give entrance exams but just because they have money, they buy their degrees. Would you get treatment from a management quota doctor who didn’t give an exam and purchased his seat? If your answer is yes, then you’re a casteist. Our country’s top hospitals are filled with such doctors.
9:05 Any reservation should not be provided to children of any Group A officers, MLA, MP, etc.
For OBC, Children of Group B officers should not get any reservation.
There should not be any reservation on the basis of economic conditions.
But Creamy layer can be created in all categories of reservation.
For poors of any category, free loans, education, etc must be provided.
Finally judgement on reservation which doesn't put central govt in spot of bother leaving this to state decreases central headache,
Politicians and so-called caste leaders fighting over this freebie like stray dogs fighting over leftover food 😂
Tool to make people bhakt and to get votes.
Do nothing pass resolution that favours votes for sc st.
For them general dont exist.
Just realized that creamy layer part of judgement was just an opinion not a directive... Thanks SG.. Gud info..👍❤
The irony of judges ruling on creamy-layer will surely be not lost.
Explained with nuance. It is important that all false narratives are busted in such a judgement. Kudos SG
Dear friends,books and written texts have inherent limitations and can be misinterpreted if not studied and understood thoroughly. When we put in the effort to study and comprehend these materials deeply, it helps prevent misguided or flawed judgments.
We are engaged in this struggle not for entertainment but to secure our rights. It is crucial that our community is properly informed and understands the entire context of the situation. The term 'creamy layer' is being used to undermine the progress and legitimate rights of the SC, ST, and OBC communities. By labeling a segment of these communities as part of the 'creamy layer,' it creates a divide and diminishes the collective fight for equality and justice. This approach seeks to dismantle the advancements made by these communities and hinders their efforts to achieve true equality.
OBC,SC and ST are massively underrepresented in Indian Judiciary.
Reservation has led to another type of disability in the society. Most people don’t go to SC/ST/OBC doctor or surgeon these days. Reservation has killed meritocracy and is playing with our lives.
Every time I see a reserved candidate I question is he good or has any talent? Or is he here just cause of his caste certificate contributing to the mediocrity.
Absolutely true 🙏 Nobody visits an orthopedic who can't treat a broken hand because he got a seat for four marks and qualified for degree with fourteen marks🙏🙏
Yes, we should all go to management quota doctors who get ZERO marks and buy a seat by paying one crore.
Do you have any data to back whatever rubbish you’re saying? Your comment just exposes your casteism.
@@ExquisiteKorpse Yes see all the score cards and seats allocated based on casteism
This idiots are fools😂
FIRST OF ALL, THE VACANCIES OF JUDGES SHOULD BE CATEGORISED BASED ON DISCRIMINATION & RESERVATION & JUDGES SHOULD BE APPOINTED ACCORDINGLY.
Does section 10(26) of the Income Tax Act 1961 need a relook????
This is really cut the clutter episode as the ways this is Presented on social media is completely different
Mr sekher gupta what did you feel about reservation free with justice to genaral people like us. For real growth for India we. Need reservation free india. Lets a start # Reservation free India. Also that man B R ambedkar destroyed India with his caste politics.
Not a singlen sc or st Judge on this creamy court bench ?
Excellent news. A new era of reservation politics/appeasement/policy making will be unleashed. Now everyone would need to declare their castes and their castes would be questioned upon how much backward they are. More backward castes will get more seats. Focus will shift from sc/st/obc/gen seat shares vs shares within the sc/st faction. After all why should these castes should not be further bifurcated?
Castes who were having access to resources enjoyed the reservation for a while now. We've lost crucial years in bringing equalised development for a lot of castes, these castes who are unaware that theres even reservation for then.
Sc/st bifurcation for reserved promotion, education, schemes, jobs etc should be brought fast.
Everybody should question now - how much are you oppressed and backward?
I hope these debates some day result in creamy layer concept within sc/st too. Why should they have fun when obc doesnt?
I request supreme court to make provision for people who want to move out or get out of the caste in which they are born in and become casteless
Bro it already happened because supreme court said in the judgement that if any one changes his/her caste will not be applicable for reservations.
All India now needs a reservation based on economic status. Thars the only solution for uplifting the poor and downtrodden for a better future. For 75 years, we tried caste based reservations, and it's very evident that nothing much changed for most. If we need to change that our thought process needs to change there by changing the political narrative. Till that happens, we will keep on discussing quotas and nothing else.
At last, someone realized there is inequality within the reservations… time to remove reservations for those who are economically well off or who have been continuously enjoying its benefits. While those who got benefitted became intelligent and hold on to it for eternity, the others who were deprived continue to suffer.
Can you be less audible so we can just focus on subtitles instead of straining the ears for audio. Thnks
THIS IS A JUDGEMENT TO DIVIDE DALITS, WHICH IN TURN WILL WEAKEN DALIT INTERESTS IN THE LONG RUN. I JUST WANNA ASK, HOW MANY DALIT JUDGES WERE THERE IN THIS BENCH???🤔🤔🤔🤔
Wake up India.Take a cue from Bangladesh political scenario when a ruling government has been toppled for reviving a previously scrapped quota. Unless India scraps reservation completely the rich vs poor divide among minorities will keep on increasing.The rich affluent families among minorities have made reservation a multi faceted diaper for their children,grand children and nephews/ nieces where due to permanent quota system their upcoming generation will automatically get admissions in Government colleges and would automatically be recruited in government jobs coupled with receiving monetary benefits (which are sucked up from tax payers money).Whereas the poor people who are stuck in villages continues to fall victim to untouchability.
Just because caste based politics is done by all political parties doesn't give it moral legitimacy.
In rajasthan there is in tribe meena is taking full advantage
"Reservation for Scheduled Castes: Aimed at Combating Caste Discrimination, Not Economic Inequality"
In India, the reservation system for Scheduled Castes (SCs) is designed to tackle the pervasive caste-based discrimination that continues to impact millions. The system ensures representation in educational institutions and government jobs for SCs, addressing their historical marginalization due to their social status.
Despite some Dalits achieving economic success, they often face social exclusion and are not recognized as equals by higher caste groups. This highlights that the reservation policy is not about economic upliftment but about rectifying deeply rooted social injustices.
The core of the reservation policy is to combat caste discrimination and promote social equality. Reservations for Scheduled Castes are essential to addressing the social inequalities born from caste discrimination, rather than economic disparities.
Do they know the difference between the terms "Schedule" and "Creamy" ?
Creamy layer is the need of the hour.
It will happen someday, maybe after 50 years. Have patience bro.
@@armstrong7008no no no it’ll happen really really soon❤
We all Tribal and st from Northeast will file petition soon and ..so called Judges dont know nothing about st categories and social struct in Northeast ..and pass on the verdict ...alienation of government will begin in Northeast and. New movement will start
Now onwards Jatav will have 10% share of SC reservation rather than 80% >>which means70% seats will uploft other dalits ...
Very disappointing coverage on the Olympics. No surprise the Indian contingent’s performance mirrors it. If sports event as big as Olympics continues to be afterthought for media outlets then we have no hope.
6:35 Is true that this sub classification wouldn't affect the reservation in neet jee etc.Like is it written in the order of supreme court?
First time Shekar Gupta is stammering while explaining. How is the josh?🎉
Welcome this judgment
Isn't this an indirect order to conduct caste census? Without that data, on what basis will governments make this sub-categories?
They drop on states 😅😅😅
Quota due to untochability that still exist in silent way in town.in villages in rampant.quota for sc is not on the basis of economical condition.look into matrimonial advertisement you will get your answer about casteism.obc creamy layer is general.sc creamy layer must be given obc quota.
Even sc category do not perform intercaste marriages in themselves. So don’t bring this nonsense point in this issue will you marry your sister in other sc categories.
The visionary as always. 2 steps ahead always
Congratulations to sc st category for loosing reservation yeh sirf trailer hai picture abhi baakhi hai 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Caste census 😅😅😅 test your own medicine now😅
Kuch nhi hoga bhai jada khush mat ho😂 ye judgement bhi change ho jaega ye sb chlta rhta h😂
@@gauranshkanwat143Nahin bhai ye pakka hai😂
@@gauranshkanwat143tumhe doosre SC se fight karne padegi tabhi shayd change ho..otherwise change hona possible nahi hai..kynki tum iklaote dalit to nahi..or bhi hai
More cluttered. It was simple to start with.
It is a bad judgement opening the Pandora box will creat more division Any case the creamy layer won't and will never be identified
Caste census is also pandora box, test your own medicine 😅
The best video about this topic i hv found till now
😂😂 Now caste census is as dangerous to relatively Elite castes in OBC SC ST as of General😂….
What about Meena tribe eating our ST quota shamelessly??? Even though they are of OBC
Now, it has become more challenging for this NDA led Govt how quickly & generously they roll out such delicate CENSUS - based on Caste, sub-Caste....and so on ??
Did not understood most of the things. Better explain with bullet points / pictures sir.
How will a person belonging to village and rural areas will compete with son of IAS living in Urban area and reading in top class school ? I think people in our country are bais to themselves this Creamy layer will take out the upper class of sc/st and they are fearing to compete with general category, otherwise we don't like subclassification because rich sc/st will come into general seats
Multiverse of madness
When general or upper class get reservation is ok but when sc st get reservation ohh my good country is not growing.
What is the point of injecting an ad within the video itself? What is the purpose of youtube premium then?
The SC judgement says "backwardness" is presumed. That's fine, at the moment it is like that. But Shekhar goes to such a length to discard the creamy layer part of the judges' opinion. It conveys his views on the matter. SG doesn't need to be in pain explaining that and his bias is clearly evident when he says ," creamy layer business" in the episode.
Also, if economic empowerment can never help shed the social backwardness tag, then why give reservation in the first place to cure the issue. The fact is giving representation in education and jobs do improve ones social standing , at least one should be objective enough to accept it.
The judges, by the creamy layer part of the judgement mean to say that. One should at least acknowledge it.
Why BJP is allowing to interrupt speech of Anurag thakur? Why others are benign allowed by the speaker to speak in between ?
How will data validation in the Caste census work? Suppose some family says they belong to a Tribal community but they actually belong to a general category, or its visa versa. Suppose a family with 30 acres of land says, they have only 1 acre of land. Without a foolproof method of cross-verification, people will give false information. Indians very comfortably lie. Honesty is not an Indian value. How will a person recording census data verify such claims? How will the census data accuracy be ensured?
Properties should get connected to adhar card that will simplify everything and people will not be able to do problem... and may create bewaras lamds which help people
Why not reclassify meena, jatav and yadavs as general category.
Heterogeneity does exist in Sc sT, but not in the way SC has interpreted it. Sometimes few families of say XYZ caste reap advantages of reservation and are economically well off. But many more families especially those living in rural areas, belonging to the same XYZ caste are downtrodden, unbeknownst of any affirmative assistance by the state. Categorising XYZ caste and ‘more backward’ or ‘less backward’ is not going to help those people …
That's not being done. Idea is to introduce a creamy layer.
@@Skyboy564 No. Read the 565 page judgement more carefully. Or you could just rewatch the video..
@@Ravenxxo You may be correct, but I've heard both interpretations from different commentators.
However, that is the problem when you ask for reservation at a a community level. If the idea is that the community gets representation, then certain communities have already had high representation even if some of their members are still struggling. This is as true for the unreserved communities, who are told that you have enough representation even as many live in rural areas and live meagre lives with no support from the government.
Besides, the creamy layer should be added
Ban all reservations 🙏🙏
This is has been implemented in Tamilnadu around 20 years back. Arundhatiar community is given 3% out of 18%
So how much do the Arundhatiars get? 0.54 out of the 18 seats reserved for the larger category?
@@darshilmashru847918% bifurcated as 15% and 3%.
Tribe differences should be looked as state differences like between Kannada and Tamil people , however, SC differences is within a community. The difference cannot be equated
yes sc who are rich still gets reservation which is absolutely wrong
only poor should get
10% reservation to FCs(EWS) already breaches the 50% cap set by the Supreme court for reservations.
But the so called upper class won't comment on this 😂
@@armstrong7008ews mein sc/st jo Christians or muslim hai woh bhi aate hai.
Aur ews economic status ko dekh kar milta hai.
@@yatindhawan4281 kisko ullu bana raha ho bhai...
Christians,Muslims,Buddhist ,and any caste which income is below 8 lakh per annum along with other criteria can take benefit of ews reservation SC who has converted into Muslim and Christians can take EWS benefits ..@@armstrong7008
Very great analysis Sir
They should go for economic status whether they are OBC, ST,SC, EWS. this will further create a new reservation quota🤦♂️
Instead of treating whole caste group as "more backward caste" among the Scheduled Castes, and giving the whole group a priority over other SCs, we should consider introducing an economic criteria to filter out the poorest among all the castes. There might be poorest of people in every caste which gets reservation under SCs. Even if we sub classify the SCs as "more backward caste group", "less backward caste group", even among the more backward caste group of SC, only the resourceful individuals will gain benefit of reservation.
Real upliftment is giving priority to all the weak and poor individuals among the SCs and introducing an economic filter. Poverty is the real weakness in today's age. Lets give the poorest "individuals" a chance across the wide spectrum of "caste groups".
in short: creamy layer among the SCs and STs.
Quota is strenth for hindu religion,without quota have many repurcussion
but SC ST says they are buddhist. They don't think they are Hindu. And if they are not Hindu then how come reservation. Many are now Muslim and Christians but want to hold on to SC ST reservation
26:50 Shekhar ji, Forget about caste census, where is normal census?
When will that happen? Do you hear any plan for that?
Or is it going to be done in 2047, like all other schemes?
Thank you. 😊
The underlying issue is the poor remains poor and the rich becomes hierarchical
The majority of judges are valid in one observation: it is heterogenous
It is a good decision if data will be collected periodically.
Totally divide and rule policy
Is there any remedies for loopholes this decision will originate...india is not ready for .sc / st representation amendment... does it will make sure that people belong to this section will not face bias discrimination in institution