Look at how reliable the grid is in Australia with all of the windmills, working 30%of the time if you are lucky, and solar just waiting for the next big hail storm. If you want reliable electrical supply you either burn gas or coal or you build nuclear power stations. Unless you are a idology nutter there is simply no choice.
I had a letter published in the New Zealand Herald 4 YEARS AGO on this topic... and, at the time I COPIED IN EVERY POLITICIAN IN NEW ZEALAND --- to no effect. The current CEO of Transpower should be fired - that's a start to fix the problem...
CEO of transpower doesn't mandate building of power stations. Thats all down to the market because as we all know markets allocate scarce goods and services efficiently
One can go to the Transpower website and read their plans and download their annual report. As well, approximately 17% of power is lost in what is called "Load Following Power" - that's when there are fluctuations in load e.g.., due to requirements in the early evening as people come home and turn on utilities and gadgets, and, on occasion, new power needs to be added to the grid - e.g., by 'firing up' one of the generators at Huntly... all this is very well known but not acted on with the necessary haste e.g., Transpower has a four-year plan of improving transmission - this published plan is quite inadequate given what we already know about consumer demand (increasing at about 1.25% per year, for the past 20 years (so relatively predictable increases in need) and the slow but steady increase in renewables... I could go on but suffice to say I have written a peer-reviewed thesis on the topic... regarding supply and demand theory - I have a doctorate in that topic so, yeah, I guess you could say I understand...
@Rusty_Pickup quite right. Using sails to harness wind, but for different reasons. Wind turbines they are, not wind mills. That hair has been split, time to find another.
Power companies can produce more power but won't. If they do the unit price for power will drop affecting the CEOs bonus. Same problem with property developers.
My wife who is American is visiting family in America at present, she was complaining about how everyone is blasting their A/C and it is cold considering it is their summer. I asked her how they afford the power bill and where the electricity is coming from. Short answer " Nuclear power "
When New Zealand corporations are asset stripping and put little back, people should go on the companies register to answer the question. Hint they don’t live here.
@@stephengale1715 Lol They are all sombody's mum and dad. John Key was another genie who popped out of the WEF's oil lamp, along with Ardern and now Luxon.
@@Winstonsmithsalias you really shouldnt believe everything you are told by dodgy people on the internet, conspiracy stuff about wef is bullshit. Do some proper research. Key was/is a capitalist and wanted to do his mates a good turn.
@@MartinCraig-zt2sv I thought it was more than that, if it only covers weapons why aren’t we investing in Small Modular reactors that last 100 years and produce 300 MW and only take up the room of a football field with zero risk of meltdown and one of the greenest forms of energy available on the planet. Wind and solar need parts replaced every 20 years, and fluctuate way to much for our grid, and take up precious land with very low yield in energy.
@@dave24-73 You tell me. The New Zealand Nuclear Free Zone, Disarmament, and Arms Control Act 1987 sets out the New Zealand Nuclear Free Zone consisting of all New Zealand territory (including ocean territory and airspace) and bans nuclear powered ships from entering into New Zealand waters. It also prohibits the acquisition, stationing and testing of nuclear explosive devices.
Hydro dams are not being built because 'greenies' are against them. On the West Coast of the South island the council applied to build a dam on the Waitaha River. Then environment minister David Parker declined the consent application because it would spoil the environment or peoples enjoyment of it even though it is remote. Eighty two % of all West Coast land is DoC land.
"What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?" - Maurice Strong (First Director of the United Nations Environment Program)
That's nonsensical. China, India and every other country that can are ramping up coal fired power generation. They don't need fancy Western technology to do that. If the UN, all the tut tutting wealthy Western green washers and the world bank were to disappear that would increase. That's reality. China already looks like an industrial revolution British city in winter.
Additional comment - it is easy to construct an algorithm regarding average power generation, and usage, within the context of wind and solar power - this is not rocket science - and to prioritise energy generation and account for the "grid" capacities to optimise energy delivery. This whole conversation SHOULD be redundant but we simply do not have the appropriate people in positions of utility.
@@God-Zin-uru Actually I wasnt being critical of Transpower, they estimate usage within a fraction and dispatch loads to match, as well as building managing the delivery network. the on again/off again aluminium smelter usage has delayed a lot of decisions around building generation. Had the smelter packed in then loads of energy is freed up to flood the market, who is going to build an asset that doesnt get used?
One thing that is rarely mentioned is solar water heating. It would save considerable electrical energy in many places in NZ. It should be included in the design of all new homes in certain areas. Den
Corpirates talk down supply side, drive up prices, bulk sell and often much of their now privately owned infrastructure was subsidised by public capital subsidies via successive govts who get high paying exec roles when leaving govt.
If we had followed Estonia or California USA we would a lots solar on homes selling it to networks, storing power for the night in batteries and overtime reducing the house hold costs. During the period 2017 to 2023 the number of solar units increased from 16 k to 56 k .
The mind boggles when this expert suggests that all these windfarms randomly produce no power and proceeds to call it our sustainable future. And then goes on to say that the hydro dam is too expensive than the falling construction prices of Wind and solar energy. Why wouldn't you say that Wind and solar energy is completely unreliable, and hydro is the main renewable energy only capable of sustaining industry and our standard of living.
At this point I just point and laugh at our government. Was it not enough that our options were red or blue Chris? Until some decent people enter politics we're doomed. Why do you think so many people are leaving?
We already are at “2nd world” status….”Please save power this weekend…” it is laughable to think anything different. We also have New Zealanders who have nowhere to live….and we are happy to give $15MILLION to Ukraine…our Pollies are COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH.
To be clear, whilst 'dam power' is renewable, the dam is totally destructive to the valley is is built across. The most environment friendly is nuclear. Modern nuclear power stations are nothing like the existing nuclear power stations, the technology is much safer. Regarding the safety of nuclear power consider the deaths mining coal & miners diseases. Coal used to produce most power but cities suffered smog and respiratory disease. Chernobyl was very old technology and failed due to incompetence. Ten Mile Island, I can't remember their being any direct deaths. Fukishima, poor design, just waiting for a flood very few died. Everything man does comes at a cost.
Reliance on solar and wind is an act of stupidity.
Totally agree with you on that
Look at how reliable the grid is in Australia with all of the windmills, working 30%of the time if you are lucky, and solar just waiting for the next big hail storm. If you want reliable electrical supply you either burn gas or coal or you build nuclear power stations. Unless you are a idology nutter there is simply no choice.
Not much good when you get a couple of weeks of fog.
when did stupidity ever get in the way of political ideology
no but it would certainly take a lot of pressure off the grid if households where susidised for solar power
I had a letter published in the New Zealand Herald 4 YEARS AGO on this topic... and, at the time I COPIED IN EVERY POLITICIAN IN NEW ZEALAND --- to no effect. The current CEO of Transpower should be fired - that's a start to fix the problem...
CEO of transpower doesn't mandate building of power stations. Thats all down to the market because as we all know markets allocate scarce goods and services efficiently
good effor though
One can go to the Transpower website and read their plans and download their annual report. As well, approximately 17% of power is lost in what is called "Load Following Power" - that's when there are fluctuations in load e.g.., due to requirements in the early evening as people come home and turn on utilities and gadgets, and, on occasion, new power needs to be added to the grid - e.g., by 'firing up' one of the generators at Huntly... all this is very well known but not acted on with the necessary haste e.g., Transpower has a four-year plan of improving transmission - this published plan is quite inadequate given what we already know about consumer demand (increasing at about 1.25% per year, for the past 20 years (so relatively predictable increases in need) and the slow but steady increase in renewables... I could go on but suffice to say I have written a peer-reviewed thesis on the topic... regarding supply and demand theory - I have a doctorate in that topic so, yeah, I guess you could say I understand...
Expect your electricity bills to go up through the roof the same way they have in the UK but hey, 'saving the planet'.
yeah, who wants to do that?
...oy vey rrubs hands 👏👀
Yep and the stupid thing about that is the UK has loads of wind turbines and thousands of solar panels/farms.
@@kiwiingrid takes a lot of those that dont produce at night or stop if its too windy/not windy enough to replace dozens of 2000 MWatt 24×7 thermals
Windmills ( and yes, i have a soft spot for windmills😉) and solar will not do it.
Get building dams or look into nuclear NOW.
Turbines not mills
@Rusty_Pickup quite right. Using sails to harness wind, but for different reasons. Wind turbines they are, not wind mills. That hair has been split, time to find another.
Nuclear is perfect for NZ with so much water available, but there would be so much resistance through green misinformation and ignorance.
Nuclear in a land with many hundreds of fault lines? I think not.
Yep hydro is the way to go, get it done as the price increases each year.
Power companies can produce more power but won't. If they do the unit price for power will drop affecting the CEOs bonus. Same problem with property developers.
Who was the dipshit Govt who privatized them.
My wife who is American is visiting family in America at present, she was complaining about how everyone is blasting their A/C and it is cold considering it is their summer. I asked her how they afford the power bill and where the electricity is coming from. Short answer " Nuclear power "
When New Zealand corporations are asset stripping and put little back, people should go on the companies register to answer the question. Hint they don’t live here.
Bit puzzled, John Key told us it would all be Mum and Dad investors!
@@stephengale1715
Lol They are all sombody's mum and dad. John Key was another genie who popped out of the WEF's oil lamp, along with Ardern and now Luxon.
@@stephengale1715with what money
@@Winstonsmithsalias you really shouldnt believe everything you are told by dodgy people on the internet, conspiracy stuff about wef is bullshit. Do some proper research. Key was/is a capitalist and wanted to do his mates a good turn.
I am all for Nuclear Power.
SMRs (Small Modular Reactors) are the only sensible green solution, sad we are nuclear free.
@@dave24-73 No our nuclear free legislation only covers weapons
@@MartinCraig-zt2sv I thought it was more than that, if it only covers weapons why aren’t we investing in Small Modular reactors that last 100 years and produce 300 MW and only take up the room of a football field with zero risk of meltdown and one of the greenest forms of energy available on the planet. Wind and solar need parts replaced every 20 years, and fluctuate way to much for our grid, and take up precious land with very low yield in energy.
Totally agree with you about that 👍
@@dave24-73 You tell me. The New Zealand Nuclear Free Zone, Disarmament, and Arms Control Act 1987 sets out the New Zealand Nuclear Free Zone consisting of all New Zealand territory (including ocean territory and airspace) and bans nuclear powered ships from entering into New Zealand waters. It also prohibits the acquisition, stationing and testing of nuclear explosive devices.
Hydro dams are not being built because 'greenies' are against them. On the West Coast of the South island the council applied to build a dam on the Waitaha River. Then environment minister David Parker declined the consent application because it would spoil the environment or peoples enjoyment of it even though it is remote. Eighty two % of all West Coast land is DoC land.
But happy to put up stinking windmills to destroy the enviroment bloody wankers !!!
Sounds like we are rapidly heading towards 2nd World status? Sadly many of our kids are considering moving to Australia for the brighter future.
They fought like hell to stop the Clyde Dam
Luckily our government had the think big approach regarding hydro power 70yrs ago to provide for future, not much foresight atm
"What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?" - Maurice Strong (First Director of the United Nations Environment Program)
Do not let Blackrock into any government dealings
That's nonsensical. China, India and every other country that can are ramping up coal fired power generation. They don't need fancy Western technology to do that. If the UN, all the tut tutting wealthy Western green washers and the world bank were to disappear that would increase. That's reality. China already looks like an industrial revolution British city in winter.
@@ronaldwarren1267 Blackrock owns ANZ 🤔
Wind - on and off. Solar? Good until the freak hailstorm.
Rubbish to power is the way to go
It would be nice to hear the whole interview
Autumn is the big problem, no snow in the Hydro Lakes, no rain in the rivers...
Additional comment - it is easy to construct an algorithm regarding average power generation, and usage, within the context of wind and solar power - this is not rocket science - and to prioritise energy generation and account for the "grid" capacities to optimise energy delivery. This whole conversation SHOULD be redundant but we simply do not have the appropriate people in positions of utility.
Isnt that exactly what Transpower does?
🤔 that last sentence...sadly never a truer set of words.
@@God-Zin-uru Actually I wasnt being critical of Transpower, they estimate usage within a fraction and dispatch loads to match, as well as building managing the delivery network.
the on again/off again aluminium smelter usage has delayed a lot of decisions around building generation. Had the smelter packed in then loads of energy is freed up to flood the market, who is going to build an asset that doesnt get used?
@stephengale1715 nice clarification.
But I was referring to the original comment ☝️😉
Build more hydro
My last bill was $293 for the month! 3 adults in small house. Its the heat pump so we are now reducing power as much as possible.
Ours is $800!!!
Thunderf00t says spray the stratosphere with sulphuric acid and global warming goes away.
Global warming doesnt exist...
One thing that is rarely mentioned is solar water heating. It would save considerable electrical energy in many places in NZ.
It should be included in the design of all new homes in certain areas.
Den
Where is the MOW planned pumped storage on the Mackenzie Country lakes?
Corpirates talk down supply side, drive up prices, bulk sell and often much of their now privately owned infrastructure was subsidised by public capital subsidies via successive govts who get high paying exec roles when leaving govt.
If we had followed Estonia or California USA we would a lots solar on homes selling it to networks, storing power for the night in batteries and overtime reducing the house hold costs. During the period 2017 to 2023 the number of solar units increased from 16 k to 56 k .
Meanwhile, in China...
The mind boggles when this expert suggests that all these windfarms randomly produce no power and proceeds to call it our sustainable future. And then goes on to say that the hydro dam is too expensive than the falling construction prices of Wind and solar energy. Why wouldn't you say that Wind and solar energy is completely unreliable, and hydro is the main renewable energy only capable of sustaining industry and our standard of living.
At this point I just point and laugh at our government. Was it not enough that our options were red or blue Chris? Until some decent people enter politics we're doomed. Why do you think so many people are leaving?
Really you privatize and expect shareholders to want to invest instead of maxing profit.
Hydro is the only way! Build more dams! Stuff the Greens!
We already are at “2nd world” status….”Please save power this weekend…” it is laughable to think anything different. We also have New Zealanders who have nowhere to live….and we are happy to give $15MILLION to Ukraine…our Pollies are COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH.
Another option,,,, wave generated power, tides don't alter...
Labour put my power $500 a year
Yeah let’s not build more, reliable hydro, because the unreliable (and heavily subsidised) wind and solar is getting cheaper….
To be clear, whilst 'dam power' is renewable, the dam is totally destructive to the valley is is built across. The most environment friendly is nuclear. Modern nuclear power stations are nothing like the existing nuclear power stations, the technology is much safer.
Regarding the safety of nuclear power consider the deaths mining coal & miners diseases. Coal used to produce most power but cities suffered smog and respiratory disease. Chernobyl was very old technology and failed due to incompetence. Ten Mile Island, I can't remember their being any direct deaths. Fukishima, poor design, just waiting for a flood very few died. Everything man does comes at a cost.
Remember this person meagan woods🤮
Tesla has deployed Giga batteries into South Australia which provides Adelaide plenty of spare capacity for peak loads.
South Australia often relies on Gas and Diesel .get your facts right
EVs will cause more damage than the problem they are supposed to cure.
Yes but look at your power bill and factor in 30 to 35 cents per kwhr in South Australia due to everything from solar and windmills
@@ala-hc4rx South Australia has the most expensive electricity in Australia