Curare is dimethyltubocurarine chloride, a skeletal muscle relaxant. This is used primarily before endotracheal intubation. In 1982, the U.S. FDA revoked the approval of Metrazol (pentylenetetrazol).
I cannot believe how proud they are talking about the spinal fracture at the end of the therapy. Plus i really felt sorry for that first guy who recieved the electro-shock. This is awful !😤😠😣😢
It was horrible.... But they didn't had other methods and these methods where working, most patients where calm after this therapy, atleast for a few days. They wanted to help, they didn't know that they where doing more harm then good, it is like with the lobotomie. I am glad that we are in a time where they have drugs that are really working without make the people suffer, but i think in 100 years or 50 years people are thinking about some methodes that we use the same as we think about the methodes back then. I hope at some point we are able to heal all illnesses, so no one has to suffer, but it will be a long way i think. I hope you can read it, my english is not the best.
I have seen someone who took this and drastic improvements afterwards. The person was out of touch with reality and felt like coming back to life. Benefits>>> the risk
I've had ECT, and I can tell you...it did fuck all for me other than make me lose some of my short term memory and give me muscle aches. Maybe I didn't get any fractures, but since when is that a win?
I have Bipolar disorder known as manic depression back in these days and was even suggested this treatment by my other psychiatrist. I want to be completely sure I need this and have tried a lot of medications before hand
@@Classified564 no I didn’t I decided against it but I wish I would have, my illness must have been bad for them suggest that, but I wish I would have took up the offer
@@Thatgrungekid I mean, it can have both drastic changes for better or for worse. But most end in the intermediary, with some improvement but downsides like memory loss and etc. Only would consider this if i was an danger to myself and to others.
While we may look at this kind of treatment today as barbaric, 100 years from now we will look back at many current state-of-the-art health related treatments as barbaric and insane, wondering why it was every allowed.
Doubt it. I see people say this about a lot of stuff "in 100 years people will look back to today and think of it how we think of 50 years ago" but I don't think yall understand the massive leaps in technology and science that have been made in the last 50 years.
Yeah this is still a thing here in the U.S . There are positive after effects, but they’re temporary. That being said no person should endure such torture. Thank goodness psychedelics are finally being researched by the cdc for medicinal uses.
I've had shock therapy (ECT) 12 times. It is a bit scary and it deletes chunks of your memory but it saved my life. I wouldn't do it for fun, but if I was ever that bad again, I'd absolutely do it again. The success rate for MDD is about 50% which is faaaar higher than any other option we have.
Antidepressants and antipsychotic medications did not exist was we know them today in the 1930's and 1940's. Shock therapy was seen as a great breakthrough in that serious mental illnesses could be treated rather than patients being housed indefinitely in a mental hospital. Many still were but a lot went home after this treatment, as horrifying as it is to watch or endure. Some history: shock therapies became available in the 1930's, first with insulin coma, then metrazol and finally electroshock. Insulin coma shock therapy was discovered by accident in the late 1920's, when a mentally ill morphine addict who was given a dose of insulin slipped into a coma. When the patient recovered, she was remarkably more coherent and Dr. Manfred Sakel reasoned that it might help other mental patients. In the 1930's, Dr. Meduna observed that there were more of a certain type of brain cells in patients who had epilepsy and those epileptic patients rarely had mental illness. Likewise, he observed that many schizophrenic patients had few of the type of brain cells that caused epilepsy. It was believed the illnesses were antagonistic and he thought that if you could artificially induce epilepsy for a few treatments, perhaps it would cure the schizophrenia. Metrazol shock therapy grew out of that and while not entirely successful for schizophrenia, it was helpful for affective disorders like depression. Electroshock followed in 1938 and of these treatments, only electroshock is still used today. Patients hated metrazol with a passion, even with the curare given ahead of time to soften the convulsions. From the moment the Metrazol was injected, some patients described it feeling like fire through the veins. It's a cardiac stimulant so patients experienced racing hearts, anxiety, respiration and were totally conscious for up to a minute before the convulsion set in and unconsciousness set in. A frightening experience. Sometimes, they failed to have a convulsion if the dose was not exact and had to be held down to administer more Metrazol. They remembered everything and after the first one, often had to be forced to have further treatments. The massive advantage of electroshock was that it produced the same effect of causing a convulsion but patients were instantly unconscious with the passage of the current. (Current then was set about 100 volts of less than 1/2 second duration). After the patient awoke, they had amnesia for the brief period before the treatment so any memory of fear was absent-- though many patients objected to the idea of electricity being shot through their heads. Today's electroshock treatments involve the injection of a short acting anaesthetic, then a muscle paralytic (similar to curare but safer), and then while the patient is already asleep, the passage of the current. Sadly, there is still no medical cure for serious mental illness like schizophrenia.
Interesting comment. I didn't know about the Metrazol. That's too bad because that would have been a better way to induce shock instead of introducing electricity to the body. That sounds really painful to the patients. ECT has come a long way today.
@@erik8600 According to the patients, Metrazol was like dying. Unlike ECT which caused instantaeous unconciousness and retrograde amnesia for any fear of the procedure itself, when a patient was given Metrazol, they were completely awake and aware of the terrible sensations it caused all the way up to the moment the seizure started. Sometimes, this could be as long as a full minute and, if they did not give enough of the drug, no seizure came and more Metrazol had to be administered. Not only that, the Curare caused a partial paralysis of the body's muscles including those which involve respiration and many patients felt a feeling of suffocation from that drug, even before the Metrazol was administered. Metrazol, when injected, felt like a wave of fire traveling through the veins, raced the heart and respiration suddenly, and induced a terrifying feeling of dying, all of which a patient remembered when they woke up later after the treatment was done. After a first Metrazol treatment, many patients would refuse further therapy and it then had to be administered forceably. One patient reportedly asked the doctor, "is there no cure for this treatment" and that it was like being subjected to a violent thunderstorm.
@@randallriley Then along comes mobile units with the power to send wireless energies through the walls of your residence and show you that feeling of squeeze at the base of your scull, suffocation, shocks so hard you urinate yourself, intense head pains and seizures, memory loss and for the next few weeks a nice reprogramming through the electronic media that you consume and if you are lucky you will get the extremely low frequencies so you hear voices internally guiding you. Oh those horrible mental illnesses that can be caused by those in the know. Too bad the only cure is the government hiring the special doctors of secret missions to prevent secrets from being revealed. Have another nice ignorant day of denials on unethical and inhumane human research. The really insane persons are those who deny or worse....support the heinous crimes by trying to make them look not as horrific as they were. There was psychic espionage even back then and attempts to remove sight was the full intent. Along with a frenzy of fools who would rather be blind followers of psychiatric mumbo jumbo than to psychic truths. Sad as the nations that deny psychic forces have already been taken! Even cyber police and FBI investigators use psychics for insights. The time will come that the world will not be in the dark. And all those that used and cruelly inflicted harm to the psychic sensitives will suffer even worse than any nation has ever seen.
@@KB4QAA there scientific and careful way are rather grim back then things were a bit more painful and straight to the point Af course it's still scientifically proven that this device is save to juse but again back then they didn't think about the full effect of it rather if there is a little prove of this device works a little now things are more advanced becease of this So the man is Right they were jused for testing....but on a good way
@@KB4QAA You lose. 26 thumbs up to your 4 idiotic blind followers who probably waited in line for their radioisotope identifiable vaccines that they thought were a good thing.
I wanna put this out there.. my grandmas mother was in and out mental hospitals they later used "shock therapy" on her.. after that treatment it caused her mom very severe memory loss her mom didnt even reconize her and it was very traumatic for my grandma . My grandma was only 15 and her mom forgot to write,spell and read thats how bad this shock therapy is .. her mom later lived in the park because it was the only thing that comforted her .. my grandma age 15 would always check on her at the park because her mom truly liked being there.. later my grandma and her dad Found out she had been sexually assaulted and murdered.. shock therapy can really ruin your life .. and others that are family.. THANKGOD THEY STOPPED THIS because they found all the harm it was doing instead of good. And all the other people who had to get this done to them..
If convulsing after 6 to 8 treatments of this abusive nature seems like some kind of solution, people needed to re-evaluate our Mental Health situation - which, luckily, they have...
Ugh, i work in a field that involves developing and regulating ECT devices. They do work, and this was a massive step in a positive direction for medicine. It may not look pretty to you, but i know thousands of people who are very grateful for the development of this technology. Obviously it has been refined, but mental illnesses benefit from targeted electrotherapy - its true. Seizures are not someone dying or getting "fried". This is the embarrassing teenage years of modern medical practices that are based in evidence.
My Grandfather went through this procedure in 65-66. He had a mental breakdown and was comatose. He was functional afterwards but didn't remember his childhood. The general consensus he was dead and someone else was born. He cheated on my grandmother serially and his children had no love for him. He would eat sticks of butter and pee off the back deck wearing nothing but his tighty whiteys. Death may have been preferable for an intelligent pastor who was Yale educated and just trying to make enough money to support his wife and 4 sons. We all hated him in the end, even though my grandmother stood by.
This was a very successful type of treatment back in the day, whether you like the visuals or not. A couple minutes of convulsions vs. months of major depressive disorder isnt even close to being a hard decision, especially if you have suffered from major depression. This type of treatment is actually making a comeback because it's all that really works for some people.
Crude and barbaric is what come to my mind when seeing this. Can you imagine a fractured spine being an acceptable risk for this procedure? Insane are not the patients but the developers of this torture.
There are a lot of derogatory "wise" cracks below. It is important to note that these procedures were the best treatments that had been developed at that time for the terribly debilitating conditions that these patients suffered from...and they helped a lot of people. If you want to see something that appears "hideous" and "barbaric," watch a few videos of open heart surgery, knee replacements and hip replacements...which all work. It is likely that these things will be seen as barbaric and inhumane at some point in the future; they are however our best options for the said conditions currently, much the same regarding the treatments we see in this video.
The difference is that our methods, such as surgery, are based on medical science. This technique was devised by some quack who for some reason thought that schizophrenia and epilepsy couldn't exists together. He had no evidence for this and it turned out to be completely false.
@@dk2853 except for the fact that you are wrong. the incidence of schizophrenia in epilepsy patients is markedly lower than in matched controls. and btw ECT Is still used today as a last-line treatment for major depression and bipolar disorder, though it has been refined from what we see here.
@@Harlem55 I'm not talking about ECT, this is convulsive shock therapy which involves administering drugs which cause seizures. This method has been completely debunked, and is no longer used. Besides, correlation is not causation, just because the incidence is lower does not mean that causing seizures will treat the schizophrenia.
@@doctortabby Sounds like your "point" is that this technique helped people, and was the best option. Which is completely false, this technique is completely ineffective and no treatment would have been a better option than this.
It was determined that the shock treatment's results to the man near the end of this video are the same as hitting him in the back of the head with a baseball bat.
What was tormenting her might have been the people who kidnaped her and kept her naked in that cage and that was not solved. Women were raped in those hospitals and sex trafficked according to Francis Farmer in her book.
Except the heart is the strongest muscle of the body and the brain the most vaunrable as it is protected by a massive scull. And how long does a person live after having a defibrillator used on them? I think not that long.
The only reason the seizure was lessoned with curare, was because it paralyzed the patient first. How disgusting that 120 volts to the brain resulting in seizures so violent they could fracture a vertebrae was thought as helpful to a patient.
Convulsive shock therapy! When the convulsions produce fractured spines and fractures to the lower extremities those have to be some serious convulsions. Is convulsive shock therapy still used today? If it is I feel sorry for the person receiving it. This is so brutal and barbaric!
D BX yes, ect (electro convulsive therapy) is still used today. Most patients don’t remember having them. My mother, who suffers from Schizoaffective disorder, had a few sessions while inpatient at a mental hospital just a year ago. In this video, they make it seem like the patient is “normal” afterwards, that is bull. Heavy doses of medication has to be administered on a daily basis. But I can tell you from my experience in dealing with my mother, the patient is never normal again. The reason the patients in this video are not having violent convulsions is because of the paralytic drug they are giving them before administering the convulsive therapy. My grandmother who also suffers from the same disorder had the old fashioned electro shock therapy back in the 60’s and 70’s. At 83 years old, she still suffers with her mental illness, now caught in a fixed delusion. Doctors thought that this treatment could somehow jump-start the brain to reset itself so that people wouldn’t have the mania. Kind of like Lobotomy. But in lobotomy’s, they actually severed the frontal lobe of the brain from the rest, of course the patient will be calmer! Part of their brain wasn’t able to function. I’m getting on my soap box about the treatment of mental patients here, but the bottom line is, ECT doesn’t work. Long term therapeutic results are none existent.
It's a 'teaching tool' for autistic, troubled or mentally challenged people at places like the Judge Rotenberg Center; plenty of things are still utilized today and just kept quieter or called different things.
As a kid I remember my grandmother receiving these treatments. Late 80s is last time I recall. She was getting in poor health and probably couldn’t survive many more of these “treatments”. It was always so sad seeing her after going through them. She didn’t know who she was for days..
DBX: This video shows the major advance in using curare effects to prevent bone breakage and muscle strains. Even so, ECS therapy marked the first effective treatment for Bipolar and Depression in the era before any drugs became available in the late 50's. The alternative to ECS was housing in state hospitals without any effective treatment. ECS today uses modern drugs, has minimal physical effects. Fortunately the dozens of now available drugs make ECS relatively uncommon, but still helpful for many patients who cannot get relief through medication.
While we look back on this as barbaric and horrific, remember that these doctors and psychiatrists truly believed they where on the cutting edge of science and medical treatment and truly believed they where helping. There were many that did it because they were just sadists but the majority wanted to help people. It's sad to look back on now but many folks, I believe, will look back on our current cutting edge medical treatment procedures and look at the with the same disgust and disdain many do when watching videos like this.
many people don't understand historical context and only judge things by thier current and present circumstances which rarely ever results in correct assesment. of course they were trying to help people and compared to what was available not long before it was quite revolutionary.
This is a horrible cruel treatment, thankfully there is a better treatment today called TMS Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation is a non harmful treatment that doesn’t require surgery or needles and is a machine that sends magnetic pulses to the brain to bring relief and alleviation for mental conditions and mental illness
Wonder what fucked up practices are done normally now that our grandkids will mock us for. “They thought...we could move to mars!? Hahaha were on Neptune now,bitch!”
It was their job. Quit whining. All procedures start somewhere. It has to be better than the middle ages just like what we have now is better than the 1900s-1960s.
@@NerdyNEET I don't think that's entirely true. Convulsive therapies were always promoted for severe depression (ECT in its modern form still is a fairly effective last resort treatment for that). Depressions don't cause delusions and I wouldn't think that they've only treated comorbidities with schizophrenia, psychosis, etc. So how exactly is someone with severe depression "completely helpless"? It's a serious thing, but you won't be hallucinating government agents following you.
@@NerdyNEET The treatment itself isn't that technically sophisticated, I'm aware. But muscle relaxants and narcosis help to alleviate obvious problems with spasms. There's studies as to which parameters are high yield/low risk. So it's not like there's some laughing madman spinning the knobs like it's a 90s rave. Current ECT is hardly "frying a patient's brain". I get it - it looks scary, but it does actually help. As to *why* it helps - there's hypotheses, studies are not completely clueless, but it could be better. What's actually really bad is vilifying the procedure and making it less "viable" or available to people that might actually need it at some point. It should be better in 15 years, not abandoned. I'd guess you don't suffer from severe psychosis, schizophrenia, depression et al? You will be surprised as what people are willing to risk to make it stop. Frying your brain might look reasonable in comparison (it's not really about frying brains though). Risks are overall not that high, so it is a legitimate treatment for bad cases.
@@NerdyNEET molested, raped, almost murdered, kidnapped is how she got there in the first place. every "patient" in a mental institution got there because of trauma and are being retraumatized in the hospital under the guise of "help".
Yeah, it doesnt look pretty, but ECT is highly effective and it is widely used today with excellent rates of success, albeit using much more targeted and precise instruments. Nothing is inherently bad about shocking the brain - you just have to do it in the right way in the right place.
It became the way forward there after. Haven’t heard one single success story from anyone I know who underwent ECT with or without consent. Brain damage and theft of memory
My grandmas mom had shock "therapy" and my grandma said her mom after forgot where her house was how to spell and how to read my grandma also said her mom didnt even recognize her.. her mom later lived in the park because that was the only thing that comforted her she later was murdered...
@@Tazz431 Sure, I Know ECT too has saved people from a dark long depression. It’s probably why now it’s given as a last resort when all else fails. Im thankful I’m in a good place with my mental health.
The drugs used now prevent most physical damage from the seizure, but raise seizure threshold so that larger amounts of electricity are required. This means brain injury is more severe. Have you ever known a neurologist who thought seizures were therapeutic? No. So which science should we follow?
@@SaschaGerstner it affects memory, short term and long term. Thing of it is, it affects everyone differently. It's inflicting injury though by electrical means.
@@scottcupp8129 it's meant for people in the most severe of psychiatrical condition that often directly endangers patients lives. The positive benefit by far outweighs the risk of memory loss.
@@moth300 it's rather dark humor but it is amusing that anyone thought electrocuting someone would be good for them. Otherwise we'd have simply fixed Ted Bundy as opposed to frying him.
Guys this isn't some devilish treatment, nobody forced people to get ect. Ect is done with the consent of the patient. Anesthesia is given before procedure. Plus it actually does treat mental illnesses but has side effects. Its only given as a last resort when no other treatment is working.
@@Harlem55 You’re honestly the smartest person in this comment section. You’re able to tell that new shock therapy is much more safer and better, yet you know that what we’re seeing here isn’t humane at all.
False. The guardian submits the patient to Ect. The patient has no ability to say No. Even saying no means nothing. Electro is Hollywood for electrocution. Just sounds better.
differences are celebrated in most other socieities. I hate having a divide. Its so crazy. If were different were toutured for what fake science. OMGosh. gross. seen enough. I had to watch heard about it from so many others who were seeking to fit in a decade or two ago. Never workds. THese people just seek docs cause they have no family idols so a doctor is the closest they get to a real man lol lol lol lol. or woman. lol lol... fucn sucks.
I know people who were given this so called therapy and why it still exists in any form is criminal. Especially today knowing how complex and individual every single human brain is, charged should be laid on those selling this as a treatment. Even as an act of desperation, it's barbaric. Less excuse now than then, Far less.
They did this sh*t to my Mom..😢😢..it was so traumatic to her as a patient and my older sister who was with her and had to watch it. She thought they were trying to kill our Mother. Barbarians!! I detest what they do to other living brings. They KNOW this crap is damaging but continue. KARMA has a place for those demons 😡😡😡😡
True ....these are teaching videos intended for med students. It wasn't intended for public use. Guess they were leaked or obtained under freedom of info.
@@whatisyoudoing1187 lmao it’s always the crazy ones calling everyone else crazy. I think that’s called projecting. I got electroconvulsive therapy when I was like 6 or 7 a few times because I was well on my way to becoming a psychopath and yes, there’s been issues as a result (maybe indirectly though, I honestly don’t know) but for the most part I’m fine.
poor people ...they payed the price of evolution and now is our turn diffrent methods but same deal,just for the greed of knowledge acceptance and trust are not always good, things what looks great now maybe in the future one of us will be in one of the videos
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Ect is still used today for medication-resistant depression the difference now is the person is put under anesthesia first.
Many other differences than just Anathesia.
and to help stop smokeing
120 volts AC across the brain will definitely re-calibrate your mother board for sure.
Curare is dimethyltubocurarine chloride, a skeletal muscle relaxant. This is used primarily before endotracheal intubation. In 1982, the U.S. FDA revoked the approval of Metrazol (pentylenetetrazol).
True, but then you have insulin shock therapy.
I thought it was a paralytic
@@moosehead1183 I did too I still do didn’t some of the Indian people put it on their arrows to paralyze the victims whether they were human or animal
@@lisajoyce6803 wouldn't be surprised as it IS a paralytic
I cannot believe how proud they are talking about the spinal fracture at the end of the therapy. Plus i really felt sorry for that first guy who recieved the electro-shock. This is awful !😤😠😣😢
It was horrible.... But they didn't had other methods and these methods where working, most patients where calm after this therapy, atleast for a few days. They wanted to help, they didn't know that they where doing more harm then good, it is like with the lobotomie. I am glad that we are in a time where they have drugs that are really working without make the people suffer, but i think in 100 years or 50 years people are thinking about some methodes that we use the same as we think about the methodes back then. I hope at some point we are able to heal all illnesses, so no one has to suffer, but it will be a long way i think.
I hope you can read it, my english is not the best.
Yah i agree.. what they were doing that time is the best thing they can do. Its just its horrible.
They were bragging that their curare-first method did _not_ cause fractures. Read the title cards.
I laughed
I have seen someone who took this and drastic improvements afterwards. The person was out of touch with reality and felt like coming back to life. Benefits>>> the risk
I've had ECT, and I can tell you...it did fuck all for me other than make me lose some of my short term memory and give me muscle aches. Maybe I didn't get any fractures, but since when is that a win?
Me too. I am sorry you it was done on you. I prayed and God gave me a new half side of the brain it broke. For real !
@@alinalemanska2029was this painful? Seems like hell tbh
R.I.P. to all of the heroic human guinea pigs that suffered throughout history for the benefit of mankind 😢🙏
I have Bipolar disorder known as manic depression back in these days and was even suggested this treatment by my other psychiatrist. I want to be completely sure I need this and have tried a lot of medications before hand
And how are you doing 2 years later? Any update?
Please, tell me you didn’t do it!
@@Classified564 no I didn’t I decided against it but I wish I would have, my illness must have been bad for them suggest that, but I wish I would have took up the offer
@@themaxterz0169 I still have highs and lows and intense ups and downs I’ve been hospitalised twice since this post but I’m doing well thankyou✨
@@Thatgrungekid I mean, it can have both drastic changes for better or for worse. But most end in the intermediary, with some improvement but downsides like memory loss and etc.
Only would consider this if i was an danger to myself and to others.
While we may look at this kind of treatment today as barbaric, 100 years from now we will look back at many current state-of-the-art health related treatments as barbaric and insane, wondering why it was every allowed.
Some of us look at the current treatments and wonder why it is ever allowed. No need to wait 100 years.
@@Sylvael2002 Boy, I hear that...
Doubt it. I see people say this about a lot of stuff "in 100 years people will look back to today and think of it how we think of 50 years ago" but I don't think yall understand the massive leaps in technology and science that have been made in the last 50 years.
It's still done today...
Yeah this is still a thing here in the U.S . There are positive after effects, but they’re temporary. That being said no person should endure such torture. Thank goodness psychedelics are finally being researched by the cdc for medicinal uses.
I've had shock therapy (ECT) 12 times. It is a bit scary and it deletes chunks of your memory but it saved my life.
I wouldn't do it for fun, but if I was ever that bad again, I'd absolutely do it again. The success rate for MDD is about 50% which is faaaar higher than any other option we have.
What?! Ect can cure depression? Is it painful? Please reply...
@@jishusingh8361 The day after my first one was quite painful because of the muscle soreness.
@@jishusingh8361 It's not painful at all
Sounds like a "you" problem
@@My_Lacrimosa huh?
Antidepressants and antipsychotic medications did not exist was we know them today in the 1930's and 1940's. Shock therapy was seen as a great breakthrough in that serious mental illnesses could be treated rather than patients being housed indefinitely in a mental hospital. Many still were but a lot went home after this treatment, as horrifying as it is to watch or endure. Some history: shock therapies became available in the 1930's, first with insulin coma, then metrazol and finally electroshock. Insulin coma shock therapy was discovered by accident in the late 1920's, when a mentally ill morphine addict who was given a dose of insulin slipped into a coma. When the patient recovered, she was remarkably more coherent and Dr. Manfred Sakel reasoned that it might help other mental patients. In the 1930's, Dr. Meduna observed that there were more of a certain type of brain cells in patients who had epilepsy and those epileptic patients rarely had mental illness. Likewise, he observed that many schizophrenic patients had few of the type of brain cells that caused epilepsy. It was believed the illnesses were antagonistic and he thought that if you could artificially induce epilepsy for a few treatments, perhaps it would cure the schizophrenia. Metrazol shock therapy grew out of that and while not entirely successful for schizophrenia, it was helpful for affective disorders like depression. Electroshock followed in 1938 and of these treatments, only electroshock is still used today. Patients hated metrazol with a passion, even with the curare given ahead of time to soften the convulsions. From the moment the Metrazol was injected, some patients described it feeling like fire through the veins. It's a cardiac stimulant so patients experienced racing hearts, anxiety, respiration and were totally conscious for up to a minute before the convulsion set in and unconsciousness set in. A frightening experience. Sometimes, they failed to have a convulsion if the dose was not exact and had to be held down to administer more Metrazol. They remembered everything and after the first one, often had to be forced to have further treatments. The massive advantage of electroshock was that it produced the same effect of causing a convulsion but patients were instantly unconscious with the passage of the current. (Current then was set about 100 volts of less than 1/2 second duration). After the patient awoke, they had amnesia for the brief period before the treatment so any memory of fear was absent-- though many patients objected to the idea of electricity being shot through their heads. Today's electroshock treatments involve the injection of a short acting anaesthetic, then a muscle paralytic (similar to curare but safer), and then while the patient is already asleep, the passage of the current. Sadly, there is still no medical cure for serious mental illness like schizophrenia.
Interesting comment. I didn't know about the Metrazol. That's too bad because that would have been a better way to induce shock instead of introducing electricity to the body. That sounds really painful to the patients. ECT has come a long way today.
@Night shade good point!!
@Night shade I'm something of a scientist myself*
@@erik8600 According to the patients, Metrazol was like dying. Unlike ECT which caused instantaeous unconciousness and retrograde amnesia for any fear of the procedure itself, when a patient was given Metrazol, they were completely awake and aware of the terrible sensations it caused all the way up to the moment the seizure started. Sometimes, this could be as long as a full minute and, if they did not give enough of the drug, no seizure came and more Metrazol had to be administered. Not only that, the Curare caused a partial paralysis of the body's muscles including those which involve respiration and many patients felt a feeling of suffocation from that drug, even before the Metrazol was administered. Metrazol, when injected, felt like a wave of fire traveling through the veins, raced the heart and respiration suddenly, and induced a terrifying feeling of dying, all of which a patient remembered when they woke up later after the treatment was done. After a first Metrazol treatment, many patients would refuse further therapy and it then had to be administered forceably. One patient reportedly asked the doctor, "is there no cure for this treatment" and that it was like being subjected to a violent thunderstorm.
@@randallriley Then along comes mobile units with the power to send wireless energies through the walls of your residence and show you that feeling of squeeze at the base of your scull, suffocation, shocks so hard you urinate yourself, intense head pains and seizures, memory loss and for the next few weeks a nice reprogramming through the electronic media that you consume and if you are lucky you will get the extremely low frequencies so you hear voices internally guiding you. Oh those horrible mental illnesses that can be caused by those in the know. Too bad the only cure is the government hiring the special doctors of secret missions to prevent secrets from being revealed. Have another nice ignorant day of denials on unethical and inhumane human research. The really insane persons are those who deny or worse....support the heinous crimes by trying to make them look not as horrific as they were. There was psychic espionage even back then and attempts to remove sight was the full intent. Along with a frenzy of fools who would rather be blind followers of psychiatric mumbo jumbo than to psychic truths. Sad as the nations that deny psychic forces have already been taken! Even cyber police and FBI investigators use psychics for insights. The time will come that the world will not be in the dark. And all those that used and cruelly inflicted harm to the psychic sensitives will suffer even worse than any nation has ever seen.
Theses people were called patients but was actually medical test subjects.
No. They are patients being treated in the most careful and scientific manner.
@@KB4QAA there scientific and careful way are rather grim back then things were a bit more painful and straight to the point
Af course it's still scientifically proven that this device is save to juse but again back then they didn't think about the full effect of it rather if there is a little prove of this device works a little now things are more advanced becease of this
So the man is Right they were jused for testing....but on a good way
@@cream_pieluver No. It was not used 'just for testing". It was a legitimate treatment, used with careful consideration by the doctors.
@@KB4QAA You lose. 26 thumbs up to your 4 idiotic blind followers who probably waited in line for their radioisotope identifiable vaccines that they thought were a good thing.
@@KB4QAAwonder if you would try out these not tested treatments as a first patient, and if you would then you put too much trust into 1950s doctors
I believe this is why my grandma has dementia she had a mental breakdown in the mid 50's had this done.
I wanna put this out there.. my grandmas mother was in and out mental hospitals they later used "shock therapy" on her.. after that treatment it caused her mom very severe memory loss her mom didnt even reconize her and it was very traumatic for my grandma . My grandma was only 15 and her mom forgot to write,spell and read thats how bad this shock therapy is .. her mom later lived in the park because it was the only thing that comforted her .. my grandma age 15 would always check on her at the park because her mom truly liked being there.. later my grandma and her dad
Found out she had been sexually assaulted and murdered.. shock therapy can really ruin your life .. and others that are family.. THANKGOD THEY STOPPED THIS because they found all the harm it was doing instead of good. And all the other people who had to get this done to them..
I’m so sorry..
Liar.
@@Harlem55 how am i “lying”?
@@juliaa4809 I'm saying plain out I DON'T BELIEVE YOU. short term memory loss is a known side effect of ECT. Long-term memory loss is not.
Shock therapy is still performed tho actually
If convulsing after 6 to 8 treatments of this abusive nature seems like some kind of solution, people needed to re-evaluate our Mental Health situation - which, luckily, they have...
This treatment is still used in 2023, hate to burst your bubble of ignorance….
Idk, I've always wanted to try ECT. I'd try anything for even a slight chance of healing.
There were times my depression was so bad I would have glady tried this.
“Soft” seizure
Ugh, i work in a field that involves developing and regulating ECT devices. They do work, and this was a massive step in a positive direction for medicine. It may not look pretty to you, but i know thousands of people who are very grateful for the development of this technology. Obviously it has been refined, but mental illnesses benefit from targeted electrotherapy - its true. Seizures are not someone dying or getting "fried". This is the embarrassing teenage years of modern medical practices that are based in evidence.
So true! R.I.P. to all of the human guinea pigs that have sacrificed themselves for the benefit of mankind 😢
My Grandfather went through this procedure in 65-66. He had a mental breakdown and was comatose. He was functional afterwards but didn't remember his childhood. The general consensus he was dead and someone else was born. He cheated on my grandmother serially and his children had no love for him. He would eat sticks of butter and pee off the back deck wearing nothing but his tighty whiteys. Death may have been preferable for an intelligent pastor who was Yale educated and just trying to make enough money to support his wife and 4 sons. We all hated him in the end, even though my grandmother stood by.
this was very intresting, could you add some more information, about why he ended up doing the procedure?
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside NOT🥺😟☹
This was a very successful type of treatment back in the day, whether you like the visuals or not. A couple minutes of convulsions vs. months of major depressive disorder isnt even close to being a hard decision, especially if you have suffered from major depression. This type of treatment is actually making a comeback because it's all that really works for some people.
Brian Griffin I’d rather have enough mental control and shoot myself before allowing someone to blast electricity through my head to numb me
Succesfull? Can you show me some studies in literature (es. Cochrane)
@yuko Hashimoto Nope
@@fredrick443 PLS THIS IS SO FUNNY
I'm in tears watching this
Crude and barbaric is what come to my mind when seeing this. Can you imagine a fractured spine being an acceptable risk for this procedure? Insane are not the patients but the developers of this torture.
Still going on today everywhere and can still hurt you.
@@VelveteenRabbit77 can also help
@@lambbosbread123 Temporarily. It’s not permanent but the memor loss problems will be.
@@VelveteenRabbit77 pain meds are only temporarily, but u still use them when Ur in pain..... they help.....
@@lambbosbread123 Pain meds don’t cause permanent injury. You can’t sue the doctor either. They will just say that you are “ crazy”.
There are a lot of derogatory "wise" cracks below. It is important to note that these procedures were the best treatments that had been developed at that time for the terribly debilitating conditions that these patients suffered from...and they helped a lot of people. If you want to see something that appears "hideous" and "barbaric," watch a few videos of open heart surgery, knee replacements and hip replacements...which all work. It is likely that these things will be seen as barbaric and inhumane at some point in the future; they are however our best options for the said conditions currently, much the same regarding the treatments we see in this video.
The difference is that our methods, such as surgery, are based on medical science. This technique was devised by some quack who for some reason thought that schizophrenia and epilepsy couldn't exists together. He had no evidence for this and it turned out to be completely false.
@@dk2853 Me thinks ya missed my point. No worries.
@@dk2853 except for the fact that you are wrong. the incidence of schizophrenia in epilepsy patients is markedly lower than in matched controls. and btw ECT Is still used today as a last-line treatment for major depression and bipolar disorder, though it has been refined from what we see here.
@@Harlem55 I'm not talking about ECT, this is convulsive shock therapy which involves administering drugs which cause seizures. This method has been completely debunked, and is no longer used.
Besides, correlation is not causation, just because the incidence is lower does not mean that causing seizures will treat the schizophrenia.
@@doctortabby Sounds like your "point" is that this technique helped people, and was the best option. Which is completely false, this technique is completely ineffective and no treatment would have been a better option than this.
Good to see everyone is gloved up .
Isn't this how Frankenstein got started ???
It was determined that the shock treatment's results to the man near the end of this video are the same as hitting him in the back of the head with a baseball bat.
Untrue.
Um, No....
Nope...
Just hit it with a baseball bat then
Yes, she is controlled - but have we solved the problem as to what was tormenting her?
What was tormenting her might have been the people who kidnaped her and kept her naked in that cage and that was not solved.
Women were raped in those hospitals and sex trafficked according to Francis Farmer in her book.
Now I could understand the fear of the patients in one flew over the cuckoo’s nest whenever one mentioned the ECT
Die Doku ist veraltet.
Truly depressed people will and do reach out for anything. Remember medicine is practiced each responds differently
ECT is literally like having a defibrillator for your head and brain
Except the heart is the strongest muscle of the body and the brain the most vaunrable as it is protected by a massive scull.
And how long does a person live after having a defibrillator used on them? I think not that long.
Disgusting 🤮 The Size of those Needles would Do Damage My God they are HUGE….
The Rave club down my street has a Convulsive Shock Therapy nite for their patrons.
Back in these days. It was definitely the so called dr’s that were crazy. Not the patients.
The only reason the seizure was lessoned with curare, was because it paralyzed the patient first.
How disgusting that 120 volts to the brain resulting in seizures so violent they could fracture a vertebrae was thought as helpful to a patient.
Makes you think if its a weapon used by gangs for human trafficking.
Convulsive shock therapy! When the convulsions produce fractured spines and fractures to the lower extremities those have to be some serious convulsions. Is convulsive shock therapy still used today? If it is I feel sorry for the person receiving it. This is so brutal and barbaric!
D BX yes, ect (electro convulsive therapy) is still used today. Most patients don’t remember having them. My mother, who suffers from Schizoaffective disorder, had a few sessions while inpatient at a mental hospital just a year ago. In this video, they make it seem like the patient is “normal” afterwards, that is bull. Heavy doses of medication has to be administered on a daily basis. But I can tell you from my experience in dealing with my mother, the patient is never normal again. The reason the patients in this video are not having violent convulsions is because of the paralytic drug they are giving them before administering the convulsive therapy. My grandmother who also suffers from the same disorder had the old fashioned electro shock therapy back in the 60’s and 70’s. At 83 years old, she still suffers with her mental illness, now caught in a fixed delusion. Doctors thought that this treatment could somehow jump-start the brain to reset itself so that people wouldn’t have the mania. Kind of like Lobotomy. But in lobotomy’s, they actually severed the frontal lobe of the brain from the rest, of course the patient will be calmer! Part of their brain wasn’t able to function. I’m getting on my soap box about the treatment of mental patients here, but the bottom line is, ECT doesn’t work. Long term therapeutic results are none existent.
It's a 'teaching tool' for autistic, troubled or mentally challenged people at places like the Judge Rotenberg Center; plenty of things are still utilized today and just kept quieter or called different things.
As a kid I remember my grandmother receiving these treatments. Late 80s is last time I recall. She was getting in poor health and probably couldn’t survive many more of these “treatments”. It was always so sad seeing her after going through them. She didn’t know who she was for days..
yes they are givin still today but they put you under and give you muscle relaxers before and xanax after
DBX: This video shows the major advance in using curare effects to prevent bone breakage and muscle strains. Even so, ECS therapy marked the first effective treatment for Bipolar and Depression in the era before any drugs became available in the late 50's. The alternative to ECS was housing in state hospitals without any effective treatment. ECS today uses modern drugs, has minimal physical effects. Fortunately the dozens of now available drugs make ECS relatively uncommon, but still helpful for many patients who cannot get relief through medication.
While we look back on this as barbaric and horrific, remember that these doctors and psychiatrists truly believed they where on the cutting edge of science and medical treatment and truly believed they where helping. There were many that did it because they were just sadists but the majority wanted to help people. It's sad to look back on now but many folks, I believe, will look back on our current cutting edge medical treatment procedures and look at the with the same disgust and disdain many do when watching videos like this.
many people don't understand historical context and only judge things by thier current and present circumstances which rarely ever results in correct assesment.
of course they were trying to help people and compared to what was available not long before it was quite revolutionary.
This is a horrible cruel treatment, thankfully there is a better treatment today called TMS Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation is a non harmful treatment that doesn’t require surgery or needles and is a machine that sends magnetic pulses to the brain to bring relief and alleviation for mental conditions and mental illness
0:14:00 the woman’s spine fractured as a side effect of electro shock therapy.
Wonder what fucked up practices are done normally now that our grandkids will mock us for. “They thought...we could move to mars!? Hahaha were on Neptune now,bitch!”
Power up your working computer and see what the result will be. It's as absurd a cure-all as thinking he'll punch a broken TV to fix it.
Aren’t u suppose to hold them on their side so they don’t choke while having a seizure?
Your actually not supposed to hold them down at all because it reduces chances of bone fractures sounds wierd but that's what i heard
You are right, Syble Rose.
Pts. are no longer held during seizures. They are turned on their sides. No tongue depressors are used either.
And the nurses never complained, justdid what they were tod like good little minions.
It was their job. Quit whining. All procedures start somewhere. It has to be better than the middle ages just like what we have now is better than the 1900s-1960s.
More professional than current ones then.
Most nurses were sluts before they got into the profession.
At least they did their job professionally, unlike current ones.
Like they do today. Nothing has changed.
Shows how evil this world is the people are humans too they didn't deserve to be treated like this its fucked up
8:22 what’s with the creepy smile
They call sadistic damage, "therapy". Hmm
It did work plus it was the1950s
@@NerdyNEET I don't think that's entirely true. Convulsive therapies were always promoted for severe depression (ECT in its modern form still is a fairly effective last resort treatment for that). Depressions don't cause delusions and I wouldn't think that they've only treated comorbidities with schizophrenia, psychosis, etc. So how exactly is someone with severe depression "completely helpless"? It's a serious thing, but you won't be hallucinating government agents following you.
@@NerdyNEET The treatment itself isn't that technically sophisticated, I'm aware. But muscle relaxants and narcosis help to alleviate obvious problems with spasms. There's studies as to which parameters are high yield/low risk. So it's not like there's some laughing madman spinning the knobs like it's a 90s rave. Current ECT is hardly "frying a patient's brain". I get it - it looks scary, but it does actually help.
As to *why* it helps - there's hypotheses, studies are not completely clueless, but it could be better. What's actually really bad is vilifying the procedure and making it less "viable" or available to people that might actually need it at some point. It should be better in 15 years, not abandoned.
I'd guess you don't suffer from severe psychosis, schizophrenia, depression et al? You will be surprised as what people are willing to risk to make it stop. Frying your brain might look reasonable in comparison (it's not really about frying brains though). Risks are overall not that high, so it is a legitimate treatment for bad cases.
@@NerdyNEET molested, raped, almost murdered, kidnapped is how she got there in the first place. every "patient" in a mental institution got there because of trauma and are being retraumatized in the hospital under the guise of "help".
@@celticwinter would you treat yourself with that? would you give the ok for ur children to be treated like that?
I can’t believe people treat other people like this even to this day
Yeah, it doesnt look pretty, but ECT is highly effective and it is widely used today with excellent rates of success, albeit using much more targeted and precise instruments. Nothing is inherently bad about shocking the brain - you just have to do it in the right way in the right place.
Hagasela usted
It became the way forward there after. Haven’t heard one single success story from anyone I know who underwent ECT with or without consent. Brain damage and theft of memory
Carrie Fisher had them done voluntarily and claimed they did help her.
My grandmas mom had shock "therapy" and my grandma said her mom after forgot where her house was how to spell and how to read my grandma also said her mom didnt even recognize her.. her mom later lived in the park because that was the only thing that comforted her she later was murdered...
Liar.
@@Tazz431 when meds aren’t working, they call for the last resort.
@@Tazz431 Sure, I Know ECT too has saved people from a dark long depression. It’s probably why now it’s given as a last resort when all else fails. Im thankful I’m in a good place with my mental health.
Official documentary tortures🥲 well imagine what natzi did
Sure glad for the recent modifications! Trust the science.
The drugs used now prevent most physical damage from the seizure, but raise seizure threshold so that larger amounts of electricity are required. This means brain injury is more severe. Have you ever known a neurologist who thought seizures were therapeutic? No. So which science should we follow?
Now THAT'S funny
Never trust science when you're told to trust the science. Science must be transparent, and accountable.
This should be a compulsory procedure on most politicians.......mmm
So they rufied them(not actual rufie) then induced a catatonic seizure, and it helped?
Nope.
My aunt had shock therapy multiple times
I am truly sorry for your loss!!
Mike Studmuffin shut the fuck up
That’s crazy. Induce a seizure then let the woman seize then all of a sudden she “cured” wtf is this
They must not have liked the guy in the shorts they let him roll right off the table. Where the heck was that nurse?
What kind of “medicine” is this. ?? This is madness
the patient at 13:40, did she die from the fracture?
of course not, isolate vertebral fractures are usually not deadly
Spinal fracture dont normally lead to death though that doesn't make this treatment any less inhumane
Some patient want this nowadays. Electro shocks do help some people .
It screws your brain up is what it does!!'''
@@scottcupp8129 please tell us more, "doctor"
@@SaschaGerstner it affects memory, short term and long term. Thing of it is, it affects everyone differently. It's inflicting injury though by electrical means.
@@scottcupp8129 it's meant for people in the most severe of psychiatrical condition that often directly endangers patients lives. The positive benefit by far outweighs the risk of memory loss.
@@SaschaGerstner This is true. I've heard it helps people that need it most. They've got it down to a science these days.
The nurses are laughing ...Holly shit !!!
because it's funny as hell to watch this shit.
@@Harlem55 ur sense of humor kinda bad ngl
@@moth300 it's rather dark humor but it is amusing that anyone thought electrocuting someone would be good for them. Otherwise we'd have simply fixed Ted Bundy as opposed to frying him.
@@Harlem55 I don’t see how that’s funny
@@moth300 I know you don't because you dont understand what dark humor is.
The lady in the beginning reminds me of me when I was going through opioid withdrawal.
Guys this isn't some devilish treatment, nobody forced people to get ect. Ect is done with the consent of the patient. Anesthesia is given before procedure. Plus it actually does treat mental illnesses but has side effects. Its only given as a last resort when no other treatment is working.
Nowadays that's true, but in the 40s it was often done without consent on patients with markedly severe disturbances.
@@Harlem55 well that's something new sounds disturbing
@@Harlem55 You’re honestly the smartest person in this comment section. You’re able to tell that new shock therapy is much more safer and better, yet you know that what we’re seeing here isn’t humane at all.
False. The guardian submits the patient to Ect. The patient has no ability to say No. Even saying no means nothing. Electro is Hollywood for electrocution. Just sounds better.
Actually, numerous psychiatric hospitals forced ECT on their patients.
this place... the world has noticed. its so sad.
differences are celebrated in most other socieities. I hate having a divide. Its so crazy. If were different were toutured for what fake science. OMGosh. gross. seen enough. I had to watch heard about it from so many others who were seeking to fit in a decade or two ago. Never workds. THese people just seek docs cause they have no family idols so a doctor is the closest they get to a real man lol lol lol lol. or woman. lol lol... fucn sucks.
Beats a lobotomy...
Not by much.
@@nonexistenceisbliss9528 You ought to know, since you've apparently had both. XD
@@Harlem55 SHUT UP DAMMIT ! 😡
Creepy...sends shivers down my spine watching these so called doctors do what they do.
That's probably why I don't trust doctors to this day.
Who's came from Lana's interview
12:37 looks painful as fuck
this is horrible
This is a human being. This is barbaric.
i use to stick my finger in a light socket when i was sad and it would help me recenter
Jag vill prova metrazol shok kan ni höra vad man kan göra det jag mår så dåligt kan ni ringa mej Andreas Ivarsson Kenneth
**many people absolutely harmed or died in the making of these videos.
and someone paid money for that?
i want to put same device to doctor and see what will happen
You know what's worse? What they came up next as a treatment was hell itself and it only took an icepick and a hammer
very scare, they did it to me, when I tried to make them pay they locked me up again, they can still do it so I wont put names
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That’s disgusting how
There's no such a thing as a soft seizure
Anybody else certain they would've died if they were born in that time period?
Hey it was the only option at the time
Nice Flash
seizure does not look soft
I know people who were given this so called therapy and why it still exists in any form is criminal. Especially today knowing how complex and individual every single human brain is, charged should be laid on those selling this as a treatment. Even as an act of desperation, it's barbaric. Less excuse now than then, Far less.
There are tons of patients who are happy with the results. Banning ect all together is anti-choice. You are tyranical.
I agree! So barbaric and criminal, period!!!
@Dzanarika1 For some, it is better than suicide or an extended state of catatonia.
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A.K.A. Sicknurses
They did this sh*t to my Mom..😢😢..it was so traumatic to her as a patient and my older sister who was with her and had to watch it. She thought they were trying to kill our Mother. Barbarians!!
I detest what they do to other living brings. They KNOW this crap is damaging but continue. KARMA has a place for those demons 😡😡😡😡
These are sadists pretending to help humans!
@@Dzanarika1 KARMA has a place for them, believe me.
@@dmaliha I believe so too.
@@Dzanarika1 disguised as doctors
Why did they handle the patients so roughly, just like pieces of meat? Some of them were not even fully clothed.
True ....these are teaching videos intended for med students. It wasn't intended for public use. Guess they were leaked or obtained under freedom of info.
See enjoying life not a mobile phone in sight. Just enjoying the moment 😅😅
suffering is by far more humane
USA; No, no it isn't. Ask the people with Bipolar Disorder. This film shows remarkable advances in treatment using the curare effects.
@@KB4QAA imagine being this delusional
@@whatisyoudoing1187 lmao it’s always the crazy ones calling everyone else crazy. I think that’s called projecting.
I got electroconvulsive therapy when I was like 6 or 7 a few times because I was well on my way to becoming a psychopath and yes, there’s been issues as a result (maybe indirectly though, I honestly don’t know) but for the most part I’m fine.
@@Mrbootyman "for the most part I'm fine" haha yes, avi and name checks out
@@whatisyoudoing1187 Well sorry I have a warped sense of humour and like to troll idiots on RUclips.
Does that disqualify my experience with ECT?
This has Vault-Tec written all over it
thats kinda cute................... they substitute the word treatment for torture
0:54 love that outfit
Cool break dance moves
A soft convulsion follows
📌12:35 hell no
poor people ...they payed the price of evolution and now is our turn diffrent methods but same deal,just for the greed of knowledge acceptance and trust are not always good, things what looks great now maybe in the future one of us will be in one of the videos
I think I’d like to barf now.
Barbaric, hugh?
Omg this is horrible
Bizar.
She is beautiful
The first patient?
all the silent video have captions