Howdy y'all! Thanks for joining me on the 10th video of this series! I think I have a good one for you here. At least I really hope so, the last few videos haven't really done so well, so I might not be as good of a judge as I'd like. So depending how this video does I may need to adjust the type of content I'm making. Succeed or fail though, I've really enjoyed the Journey so far and look forward to growing the channel with you fine people!
For the engines, I have a theory on the multiple intakes for one outtake. In the real world, nuclear jet engines weren't that powerful. The multiple intakes is likely a more efficient way to get lots of air into the engine, compared to like a larger fan as it could create more drag compared to a cluster of smaller intakes, which could combine their intakes into a more dense steam of gas to be heated up. The single outtake is for all of that superheated air to be blasted out the back for more thrust.
The lore explanation is that all the fusion powered vehicles still sort of work, but the regulation tech was run by transistors which were shorted by the EMPs, thus any slight damagewould cause a runaway fusion reaction. Prior to the nukes, the fusion regulators worked just fine and prevented runaway reactions
@@theduke7539 Fusion can't have runaway reactions. It's why it's so hard to make sustainable fusion. Fission can have a runaway reaction, even nature has made some nuclear reactors.
@Dustyn Miller fusion bombs would disagree. Thats actually how type 3 nuclear bombs work, and initial fission explosion causes a runaway fusion reaction. We are having trouble with fusion because we are struggling with maintaining pressure in magnetic containment fields while sustaining fuel supply. all the while generating enough power for the reactor to actually fuel itself. Fallout is a world where that problem was already solved. They have fusion reactors and understand the tech very well. So assuming you have a stable magnetic containment field, but an unstable fuel regulation system, an imbalance caused by, oh idk, an explosion, could cause the fuel system to dump its reserves into the reactor, spiking pressures and creating a runaway reaction. Now. in a functioning reactor, failsafes would kick in and immediately disable to containment field which could still damage the reactor but would avert a total loss. However, in fallout, those systems no longer work. so the failsafes dont work, the reactor is jolted into fusing all its fuel at once and bamb, you have a type 4 nuclear explosion. or type 3 I gues if you used a fatman launcher to set off the car.
I dont think that nuclear vehicle crashes would cause nuclear explosions, they likely use a nuclear battery like a fusion core that's degraded and became unstable. like how you can eject unstable fusion cores to explode a similar way with a perk in F4.
Certainly not to the scale that I showed in the video for sure. Though in game cars do go up like mini nukes, so the thought is still valid. At least in my opinion.
I agree there would be an ejection protocol such as described but more like a warp core eject from a starship. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't go critical like 200 year old parked cars lol
Contrary to popular depiction, reactor breaches for don't cause nuclear explosions. Explosions from reactors like Chernobyl aren't nuclear, but steam explosions. Boiler explosions are just an over pressurized steam system. The problem with Chernobyl and explosions like it is that radioactive fuel was in the boiler as the heat source. The explosion pulverized the fuel and contaminated boiler metal and flung it all over. A nuclear aircraft explosion wouldn't be that different from traditional airline crashes, but it would spread radioactive dust and debris across a large area with radioactive smoke billowing into the sky.
@@spydingo those cars were left to the elements for 200+ years tho, of course the safety features and materials are degraded and weak, thus contributing to how volatile they are in the post apocalipse
perhaps the reason there is no door on the cabin, is because the three extra seats would be used by an armed security escort, which would work to ensure the planes security and also be there because in a random quest i found the other day by running into someone in fallout 4, who takes you to a hiden chest on the plane. apparently the entire operation was a cover for weapons smuggling. meaning while the company didnt make as much shipping people they had other reasons to fly
I like that this idea solves two issues in one, why the extra seats and why no door. I do wonder about the potential drawback of having guards onboard that are known to be armed rather than a sky marshal or something similar in concept. On the flip side though, without a door there is pretty much no chance for one pilot to go rogue and lock the other out of the cockpit for untoward reasons, even more so with armed guards.
Well first of all Northrop came up with the "flying wing" concept in the early 1920's as with most aircraft companies (due to the practicality of the design), Horton just found a way to be able to control it as due to the fact that the "boomerang" design tends to be unstable. Second ICBM's were in regular usage and had long since replaced conventional aircraft by the start of the Fallouts WW3 and if a "OCD" op was being made then we would see a crashed bomber (in one of the fallout games at least) since the EMP is the majority caused all aircraft in the fallout world to shut down and fall out of the sky in droves. Thirdly Megaton was put together from the nearby Airfield, even though there wasn't any mention of why the citizens decided to move there is still not fully understood but if it was because of a crashed plane then I would imagine it would be noteworthy to mention it. The flying wing aircraft may have started it's life as a Airforce S.A.C. bomber design but was later used as a civilian transport aircraft due to the ICBM replacing the winged fleet so there would be no Operation Chrome Dome like Op during the events following the fallout's third war.
Multiple NPCs will point you to Nathan's wife, who will tell you *the bomb came from, and the crater made by, a crashed U.S bomber* . Does nobody explore the town, or ask the locals anything?
There's actually a decent few examples of real-world bombers being turned into airliners, for instance there was the Avro Lancaster which became the Avro Lancastrian, the B-24 Liberator becoming the LB30 Liberator, and the B-23 Dragon becoming a pretty popular executive transport, to name a few ;)
6:30 Okay but in our timeline the YB-49 did eventually make a comeback in the form of the B-2 stealth bomber. Why couldn't something similar to that have happened in the Fallout timeline?
@@spydingo The Yb design wasn't intended to be stealthy. Rather, the design came about looking for a plane that could fly higher, and carry more payload than existing bombers.
The YB 49 was actually built and tested way before the Horton, with the initial version being the YB 36 and 36, and were flying as early as 1941. After the war the YB 49 was just a 36 with jets instead of piston props and were unrelated to the German flying wings, both were completely independent designs. I only say that as a lot of people like to say that we copped the German aircraft and the B2 is a direct descendent of the HO 229, despite the 2 aircraft being very different in design and intended role.
Error: Jack Northrop came up with the flying wing design separately from the Horton brothers. He didn't even KNOW about the Ho-229 until DECADES later. Him being inspired to make the YB-35, YB-49, B-2 and B-21 upon discovering the Ho-229 is a popular myth.
Minor correction, it's mentioned by an NPC in Fallout 3 that the plane debris in Megaton were pulled in from elsewhere. Forgot where, but they just built the town on the impact crater around the bomb, likely assuming that a dud was 'safe'.
The majority of the materials used to build megaton was from an airport several miles away. Dismantled piece by piece and dragged to the crater. Why they didn't just settle in the airport instead of jumping down a hole that will fill up with dust and water, I have no idea.
@@DJWeapon8 supposedly the crater offered shelter from storms (which we never see) and access to (irradiated) water. I suspect that hiding in a rusty metal shack perched on a crater in a storm in reality a terrible idea.
@@MediumRareOpinions oh its the worst idea! LOL It'd flood. Especially if its in DC on the Eastern seaboard where it rains a lot. Then it'd also get buried in sand if there were sandstorms. And that's if the ground on the sides of the crater didn't just cave in on itself.
They will also mention (well, one will. But she is definitely in a position to know) that the cratee was formed by a crashed U.S bomber, which is slso how the bomb got there.
Your take on the possible lore of the plane is very clever and plausible I liked it very much. And yeah I think you're crazy to hate the engine intakes lmao. Would be interesting to look at the landing gear. From what you can see in the game the wing-mounted landing gear looks like a single giant wheel.
@@spydingo Yeah from were you can see in the concept art it is a conventional looking landing gear, but when i looked at in game landing gear bay, i don't know it doesn't look like very conventional for me lmao. Maybe I'm crazy
Hey fun fact, the navigator in a b-52 manages the weapons drops while the radar navigator manages target selections among thier other duties. So there's no need for you to add a bombardier. There is also a jump seat just behind the pilot seats for a "flight engineer" and with the gunner position no longer required that engineer even has thier own ejection seat as well. Lol
*That Fallout 4/76 put on there designs. 1-3 actually stayed mostly grounded. It's F:4 that went hog wild on the cartoony elements (I personally, intensely, hate how stupidly overboard they went).
I personally like the twist only on some of the vehicles such as some of fo4’s Corvegas, Pcick-R-Ups, and the Fusion Flea, but the airliners and the bizarre Patton tank look clunky and odd.
@@autisticavanti Oh yes, those look great. They also fit in easily with the cars in in 3/NV. It's stuff like the tank, "APC", train, airliner and "Assault Rifle"/pipe guns/a handful of the other guns (well, all of them actually, but in most of the other cases it's because Bugthesda put them on the left side) that annoy me. Possibly because I am an enthusiast of all those things (condense that last point to "firearms").
Extra seats go to: inflight engineer, navigation, stewardess, or instructors. It's quite common among the bigger planes to have a instructor seat to help teach the new guy.
Might just be empty too, off-duty flight crew can request a jump seat on a flight (for example if the flight is almost full and there's not enough regular seats for them and their family, their family can take the regular passenger seats while the off-duty pilot takes a jump seat)
The YB-49 actually predates the horton 229. It was based on the airframe of the YB-35, a plane that was first designed in 1941. It didn't see a sucessful flight until 1946, but that has less to do with the 229, and more to do with the fact that Northrop tried to use what was at the time, still experimental prop engines. Also, after the battle of Britain, the allies decided that a transatlantic bomber wasn't necessary, as the more conventional bombers, such as the B-17 and B-24 would be able to operate from the U.K., so, the YB-35/49 ended up not getting the attention of the USAAF.
Great video-- One thing that bothers me. Jack Northrop was obsessed with flying wings before WWII. He built plenty of prototypes before and during the war, without knowledge of the Horten Brothers' design.-- Also, the 3 seats.. One or two.. Could be flight engineers, considering the lack of an engineering station for said flight engineers, seats could imply. But at the same time, having 3 flight engineers seems unlikely, unless one of them was a nuclear engineer? Otherwise, great video!
Jack Northrupt had never heard of or worked with the Horton 229. Horton had been designing and building flying wing designs since the late 20s. And his YB35 bomber was already in the prototype stage when ww2 ended, and his later YB49 used the same airframe but with jet engines. the Horton 229 was a decent aircraft but had nothing to do with Northrupts stint into flying wings
Jist a random fact that shoukd be mention. But the 747 also started off as a proposal to the USAF as a military cargo plane. But it lost out to the C-5 Galaxy. It was later redesigned and the Jumbo Jet we all know and love.
Iirc the old lady in Megaton says the town was built from plane parts from the nearby airport. I'd imagine a military bomber variant would have a turret or turrets (tail, nose, roof, bottom etc) either manned by gunners or remotely controlled/ robotically operated. And if we're going with the whole "fallout's society is 50s esq" (which I personally think is Bethesda not getting it and being reductive but w/e) then it makes sense for the plane to not be cramed as at the time flying was viewed as a luxury or occasion rather than a flying bus ( see flying prior to the 1990s) so that kind of makes sense for the airline not stuffing the craft full of seats. As for the cockpit I think someone got lazy 🤷🏻♂️. Tangent over.
Your right, apparently an NPC does say that. Odd since I don't remember there being an airport in Fallout 3, very interesting. Yeah, I could see the military variant having a turrets installed. I'd love to go full B-17 on the thing and have them manned, but I agree a Superfortress type of look would be more fitting. That's true, in the context of the 50's it makes a lot more since. Who knows, since we know airships were a thing, or at least designs of them were prewar, perhaps this airliner was also in competition with airships like the G 38.
@@spydingo Manya explains that her grandfather and the orginal Megaton settlers picked the airport clean meaning there wouldn't be any buildings left and that it probably got reclaimed by the wasteland
Your design history is a bit off here as Jack Northrop didn't 'latch on to' anything. Northrop had been developing his own flying wing designs as far back as the late 1920's.
Just one thing I was under the assumption that the megaton plane itself, was a different kind of plane to the massive delta wing plane in fallout 4, there is a mod for fallout 3 which reconstructs it and it looks fairly similar to a passenger plane. Also I thought the airliner as seen in the games and concept art to be a purely commercial aeroplane and not a military one. Also where did you get the length from? It seems a little small. Considering it is explicitly stated in lore to be able to carry 3 times the amount of passengers as conventional aircraft.
Your assumption is quite correct, its more of a DC-10 type of aircraft and not the Airliner from fallout 4, and also apparently came from a nearby airport according to a line of dialogue. That being said though, a lot of the vehicles from fallout 4 just don't exist in fallout 3/NV, so its my thought that had they existed, it would have made more sense to be the fallout 4 airliner instead. That is also true, as far as the game's cannon goes, its a civilian only airframe. I like my theory better though, it enriches the lore in my opinion. The measurements are taken using a mod that allows for, well, measuring things in game, so it's an approximation. The passenger capacity is an approximation by counting the seats in the wreck as best I could, but the designers didn't pack them in all that tightly in the wings, so you could get more in there. Also the upper deck could have been used for passenger capacity as well, although in most of the wrecks this does not appear to be the case. It wouldn't shock me if it could be modified to hold 400 or so.
@@joshmakescosplayMost of the parts, especially for the walls, came from the airfield. But the initial parts, bomb, and crater came from a single crashed U.S bomber.
I'm surprised no one has crafted the theory you stated about the Megaton bomb before. It could explain the Vault Tec logo on the bomb, which could've been painted on by pre-War GIs wanting a laugh at the irony of an atomic bomb sponsored by Vault Tec.
Dude... the YB-49 did NOT take any insperation from the Horton Ho 229. Northrop had already experemented with prop powered flying wings and when questioned the Northrop company designers said they had never even heard of the flying boomerang the Germans were working on.
I'll have to correct you on the Northrop part. as Ho229 is just a glider fitted with jet engines and 30 mm cannons. While Northrop has been working on the YB-35, and, as you mentioned, the YB-49. The US has been working on their jet fighter with their Airacomet, which flew in 1942. So it wouldn't take much time for the Army Procurement to request that their new Strategic bomber should be Jet powered even before receiving reports of the Me-262 in operation use, with the belief that the Jets were the future of the air force and the start of the Cold War. With that in mind, Northrop took the YB-35 and got it refitted J35-A-15 engines
On the point of missing instrumentation in the cockpit: the thing has been lying there for 200 years and the equipment was likely scavenged. (See Nuka World's STAR Cores and the story about the traders before the raiders moved in). Aircraft instrumentation is valuable or at least contains valuable parts and meterials. as for the flight recorder: it's not that outlandish. in modern cars diagnostics is done via ethernet (at least for some brands). sure the plug is a bit unconventional, but splicing a few wires would be entirely doable. Considering the pip boy can interface with vault door controls, power armor (both in usage for the HUD as well as for configuratoin/diagnostics if you look at the animations when working on power armor in a station) and even the teleporter/molecular relay of the intitute (which isn't even technology from the same century), being able to read a flight data recorder on a contemporary aircraft actually seems reasonable. On real planes there often are some (often only one though) spare seats in the cockpit or crew only area for airline internal use (such as transporting other pilots to another airport where they are needed next) without interfering with passengers.
There is presedent for both civilian aircraft being converted to military use (the P-8 Poseidon comes to mind) as well as military to civilian! Since this aircraft is nuclear powered and likely has insane range, I would imagine that it’s used for long-haul flights. My guess as to why they’d use it for domestic is because it’s what they have and just don’t change the cockpit or anything idfk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ My guess for the extra seats would be that it’s probably a relief crew and engineer
Okay lemme clear something up, the YB was designed after an american made flying wing that existed before the horton, do not feed the wehraboos the idea that the germans came up with the flying wing bomber and flying wing plane design
Larger airliners are usually used for specific high-traffic hub to hub routes. So arguably there should be a smaller version as well. If the engines are just compressors instead of actual jet engines because of the nuclear power source, maybe that has something to do with why there's more intake than exhaust. Like some sort of chiney going through the wing that takes the compressed and heated air and lets it expand to create exit velocity? Maybe the crew has pilot, copilot, engineer, navigator, and because of the number of crew (and ocean liner vibe) a separate captain.
A fallout 76 atomic shop item takes the model of the airliner and has it with military paint as a destroyed mid section to be lived in so this supports your idea
Couple of things. First off, the YB-49 was based off of the YB-35, of which development began in 1941. Jack Northrop had been working on flying wings since the 1930’s Second, I’m a bit skeptical about the airliner in FO4 being derived from an Air Force bomber. While there have been proposals for similar aircraft IRL, they were all cancelled due to them being not as practical as purpose built airliners. There’s a vast difference between making a civilian version of a military cargo plane and converting a bomber. I highly recommend watching the various videos on the topic on the Found and Explained RUclips channel (including the one of converting a Boeing 747 into a cruise missile launcher). More importantly was that they would all have big fat targets painted on them as it would be very difficult to determine which was a bomber and which was an airliner Also, I think I read somewhere that the bomb in Megaton is Chinese. As an FYI, a lot of modern day Boston is reclaimed land, so the flooding of the airport is believable. And you have to remember that Boston Logan airport is an international airport, so the aircraft could be international flights or long haul domestic/cross country flights
Your absolutely right, I got too exited about talking about a wonder weapon and jumped the gun on that one. I understand the skepticism. I pretty much created this theory because I loved the idea of operation chrome dome being a thing in the fallout universe and the airliner is the best known airframe in universe that could accomplish that goal. As for the targeting aspect I agree that could be an issue, but it also depends on the nature of the air combat pre war. Are we operating on a WWII dogfight notion of combat like all entertainment seems wanton to do, or are we operating outside visual range. That is a possibility, but that makes it less likely to me that the bomb wouldn't have gone off. Even if the Megaton bomb is chinese though, that still supports the argument for chrome dome as if the chinese are air dropping nukes, I'd bet my bottom dollar so is the us. The flooding itself is believable I agree, I just wish there was better evidence of a runway underneath of the surface to support this.
Think Northrops wings would influence the bomber over the Horton. Assuming that in Fallout the aircraft followed a similar development. Ie german and American flying wings were developed same time and independent thought processes from eachother.
Honestly Fallout seems like the type of alt timeline where the B-36 ends up being in military use for a similar amount of time as the B-52 has been in ours.
Your content is so unique and well done, you deserve so much more recognition. Have you thought of doing collabs or shoutouts with other big Fallout channels?
Thank you, I'm glad you think so! I mean, I know that's a thing people do, but that's as far as I've really thought about it. I've always heard that for a collab or shoutout to really work that you need to make sure you have the content to back it up. I suppose with 10 videos now, maybe I've reached that bar and could pursue it. Not going to lie though, trying to line up a collab or shoutout sounds like it could be work and I've already got a day job for that lol. Who knows though, it could happen.
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Thank you, I'm glad you like them! I do type out the script for each video, so baring some improv I might do during the recording it should be fairly possible, as long as we are talking about a google translation and not a particularly good one. I'll look into it!
Look up the B-729-airliner by destallano4, they've made a great redesign to the aircraft that makes it appear more functional, while keeping the retrofuture aesthetic.
Always wished they made the Boston airport better. It needs to be way larger like the one from F76. I assume they want us to get it sunk/got flooded over time, but then other parts of the city and map should be flooded/sunken away.
I can't say I've seen anything in Fallout 76 that suggests the ballistic missiles are tipped with the same nuclear payload as the bombs from Fallout 4. If anything it was terminal entries within the Sentinel site in Fallout 4 itself that suggested that the bombs were in the process of being converted into warheads for ballistic missiles.
Ok so to try to speculate on some of the questions... 1. The engine nacelles are configured oddly, I will give you that. However it isnt entirely braindead design. The lifting surface of the wing obviously works best when unobstructed by things like rivets, panels, bulkheads and well... engines. wing surface goes horizontal and the more of that space you take up for intakes the less wing efficiency you get. Granted that intake design is atrocious at best but having one absurdly large intake would be better than having all of those 10 intakes spread out along the leading edge. 2. Those seats in the cockpit are likely whats called jump seats. Used to ferry crew or essential personnel of the respecting airline from one place to another. Seeing as this is fallout I'm guessing SkyLanes does quite a lot of troop transporting as well as, or even at the same time as commercial flights. 3. I feel the need to point out that there is no engineer or mechanic insane or money hungry enough to stick their hand inside a jet engine that usually has an operating temperature of around 1700 centigrade. Likely more considering nuclear material likes to get far hotter than that.
Having 'walked' through the aircraft I actually think it was the other way around and it was the passenger version that was produced first. The reason, the LACK of internal reinforcement on the passenger version. While it doesn't seem like it, it is far harder to account for the removal and what it would do to an aircraft than it would be to add to an aircraft to account for a shifted load. My guess is that an engineer looked at an empty airliner and said "I can build a bomb-bay in here..."
"I don't know what's more scary. That we lost a nuclear weapon, or that it happens so often we actually have a name for it." 'Broken Arrow' movie, paraphrased.
Take this with a massive grain of salt, I've only gone through introductory thermodynamics as of right now, but the engine design isn't completely outlandish. After all, this plane has to use nuclear power to fly, likely by super heating the air using a heat exchange with the nuclear fuel. For this, it would make more sense to compress a lot of air down to a small volume, pass that through the exchange, then exhaust it out the back. After all, you want as small an exchange as possible because the nuclear systems are complex, dangerous, and heavy. Not only would this allow for more efficient power output, but you only need two systems to do this instead of 4-8 turbojets. Main issue though: The highly compressed air would be extraordinarily hot as is, so there probably wouldn't be much room for heat exchange in the system and the heat transfer would take a long time. Nuclear fuel can get extremely hot, but that risks melting the components of the plane. And, of course, for this to run efficiently, the pressure differences would have to be absolutely insane.
Regarding extra seats in the cockpit: many flights before modern systems had both a flight engineer and a navigator in addition to the pilot and copilot. Some still do. Regarding the engines: I think the multiple engines are inspired by the B52 and her 8(?) engines. The advantage of having more smaller engines as opposed to one larger engine is that you get more redundancy. The loss of one or two engines represent a smaller percentage of thrust loss. As for funneling multiple engines into a single exhaust nozel, it's certainly possible, but I have no idea about what benefits/difficulties it would have.
That airliner was beat by the legendary SK-282D-22M, a legendary 16 engine Strategic Bomber, that may have been used instead of the YB-47, cause of the relatively low cost then other aircraft, and it's possible use similar to the B-17, if that doesn't ring a bell, you might realize that the SK-282D-22M is similarly used as the B-17 Flying Fortress, by which I mean it can carry 70 tons, if we count the Bomb Pontoons on the wings, on the Fuelsolauge, and in the said Fuelsolauge via the eternal Bombay, and as for why there are three seats in the cockpit in that plane, it's for the flight attendants, back to the SK-282D-22M, the IGE's version of Operation Chrome Dome began in 1992 and was still ongoing before 2077, even THEN that Operation was STILL ongoing either Resources was sent to the then IGGE from planets that still do have Natural Resources that the IGGE had full control over or the IGGE HUGELY decreased the consumption of Natural resources, but by that point, it was the result of the Interplanetary Recourse emergency system, a large line of Natural resources that goes along several Trillion planets, the forcefields across all cities of its colony were already active by 2077 when the Great War began, 7 of the 700 SK-282D-22M bombers were destroyed by the Nuclear explosions, the rest were in hangers of some of the cities under the protection of Forcefields, anyway, see ya later
So something I wanted to point out. This airliner was likely inspired by irl concepts for literally just this, a YB49 airliner. In the 50s there was such fantastical ideas and one was that the cabins were in the wings. I do not remember if there was windows on the leading edge however. I love the video otherwise
Electric jet engines are weird, but I THINK you could have 5 intakes like that, as if they are using the Indirect Air Cycle method, you would have what amounts to radiators in each nacelle, carry the reactors heat to the air chamber, where air compressed by the turbines hits this radiator, is super heated, and blasted out for thrust, so instead of a combustion chamber you have a radiator full of liquid metal...
I’d like to propose a counter that the bomber aircraft be renamed to the B-59 Stratoray, as the B-57 is already taken by the Catalina. Though it could also replace it if it were a light strategic bomber.
I think that the b52 would have been In the fallout universe for the fact it would still be a better bomber than the flying wing since it's less bulky than the flying wing and that would lead to alot of drag plus the b52 has alot more versatility than most other aircraft so it would make since that it would still be the fallout universe since it been in our real like universe airforce for so long which definitely shows how versatile the aircraft is able to adapt at combat roles
An atomically powered B52 certainly could exist, I'd certainly have no problem with that. The only minor annoyance I'd have with that, is it would point to a similar design philosophy to that of our universe. That design philosophy would render the creation of platforms like the airliner and stingray deluxe much harder to justify.
since its nuclear powered the engines probably are "wired" to the same coolant loop so the area of contact with air and thus the efficiency of the engien is higer, also assuming all 5 go to the same exaust, that wouldn't be a problem since all 5 are working to achieve a certain thrust, and the size of the middle section of the engine implies the "rotor" is very big leaving very little space between the outter and inner walls of the inner part of the engine, so the flux of air is way lower than a regular turbofan engine...this could mean its purposelly built this way so the air goes slower on the inside to heat as much as possible from the heat exchanger walls before being accelerated to the back and combining with the other 4 exauts before going out, meaning it would be efficient in lower altitudes and speeds, but would need a powerfull compressor to work properly on high altitudes and high speed...which makes me feel like this plane was supposed to fly just like a prop engine, but with very low cost on refueling and high efficiency and flight hours...very fuel efficient, not so powerfull...
Based on how the jet engines are set up im assuming its a low fuel high pressure based jet thruster, but yeah your right its super silly to have that many intakes on a single thruster, they are basicly cold running the jet and if they want a even fuel consumption then that engine is gonna run loud and hot enough to make anyone in the plane annoyed
I would point out that this design makes a lot of sense. I argue that the military version came first, and that the wings were used as additional payload capacity. That's why the civilian version puts the passengers into the wings: the space was already there.
It's funny you mention individuals needing to escape from the aircraft during an emergency however there seems to be a significant lack of dead passengers on any of these crashed vehicles considering they were probably more than two hundred people on board when it went down and also on most of the crash sites there's very little radiation leaking from the engines even years later also no evidence of Fire or fuselage buckling or rolling which means this aircraft was probably extravagantly safe and highly survivable during an accident.
The single exhaust pipe is not as crazy as it seems, the jet pipe really only exists to divert the exhaust to a useful location. A real world parallel can be seen sith one of Kurt Tanks last sircraft designs, a regional jet liner that has five jet engines in radial symmetry in the back with only one jet exhaust. The knly problem could be thermal protection, but seeing as humanity uses nuclear energy almost everywhere, I imagine that thermal protection is mastered. In addition to that, the sheer thickness of the wing would give this design a metric tonne of lift. So it could probably make a relatively short take off run, the power of 10 large jet engines permitting.
The problem is the fallout world wouldn't need to use a new plane for ww3 because as we all know the B52 is going to last until the end of time. Every retirement sate is a lie we're gonna be retrofitting those things for space. Also Megaton's airplane parts are apperantly from an off map airport. Don't ask why they decided to drag all that to Megaton its Bethesda.
Wasn’t the Yb-49 built like four years before the Horton 229? 5:48 because the 229 was built in like 1944 and the YB-49 took first flight in like 1940 that might be wrong
man can I get the images of the airplane you used? these are so damn good an I can never find decent images of a full intact version of this plane! Anywhere at all, beyond the non used in game asset for fallout 4 that has no textures at all!
Love the video BUT ... have to disagree Northrop was earlier in bussiness of flying wing than ho229 (as airplane and history nerd I've had to say it xD )
Fun fact: the B-52 that is currently used today is recently getting an engine Refit, so I assume every outdated aircraft got an engine refit, from WW2 to the first jet aircraft got engine refits
Odd thing I've noticed about Megaton, if you assume all commercial airliners are that flying wing then they probably didn't plan much aircraft lore at the time of making Fallout 3. All of the aircraft parts that make up Megaton come from probably the Lockheed (Lockreed) L-1011 TriStar with the in-universe serial numbers filed off. The tail which can be seen has a big-ass "S"-duct in it unlike the the DC-10 which has a straight-through design, and the engine over the Megaton front gate is more than likely one of the wing engines. In your footage you can also see the other wing engine suspended within the settlement as part of the construction. The widebody fuselage, wings, and control surfaces scattered around the walls and structure go without saying.
the yb49, which is basicly the jetpowered yb35 was NOT based off the horten - the yb35 contract was made 4 years before the end of the war. and far before the hortons developement.
Good video but Northrop was working on flying wings before he acquired the HO-229, once they acquired the company after the war they let the HO-229 rot due to mostly being a bluff
5:47 the Horton having anything to do with flying wings developed in the US is entirely inaccurate. Northrop had independently been experimenting with flying wing concepts for a while, and the YB-49 is a refinement on his designs.
5:49 yeah no the YB-49 is not based on the Ho-229, the YB-49 is based on the YB-35, a plane from the 1930's yes they *LOOK* similar, thats it also no, the B2 Spirit is also not based in any way shape or form on the Ho-229, and the Ho-229 isnt really capeable of stealth
been loving the content man! i like how u point out how many practical flaws fallout vehicles have for the sake of looking cool, cant wait to see more :)
I respectfully disagree that the Flying wing would have been taken up in this diverged timeline. Flying wings were still too unstable and without the modern computers to more efficiently control them. The AirForce would eventually see that few pilots could master them and it being a deisgn that still has a lot of kinks would be expensive. If they wanted to have a Nuclear capable air force then they would have to abandon them in exchange for aircraft that are more reliable, cheaper, and have more to project its force with (not to mention you need it for more than dropping nukes).I would say that the return of the flying wing was pushed further than our time. If they can have butler robots... I don't see them not having the hardware and software to do it, although it would look more primative than what we have as they are just starting out after the project has been hiatus for almost 90 years.
It would be cool if one of these crashed and turned into a small Hamlet or town considering how much space it has. If it brakes into 3 of 4 pieces that's like 3 decently large buildings for the wasteland
In fairness to the Fallout franchise, it's technology has always been shown to be inefficient in some way. The whole idea behind the aesthetic is that it's what people in the 1950's and 60's imagined the future to look like. Bethesda seem to be making the games look more like the 50's but with futuristic technology, which was never what Fallout was. That's just my own gripes though.
One minor gripe. Northrop's flying wing work was not at all related to the Horton's. Northrop had been working on the concept since at least the 30s, and had several flying wings before the B 49. The conpetiitor to the B 36 was the B 35, a prop powered flying wing. The first true prototypeflying wing was the P 56 which flew in early 43. I can't remember if there were test vehicoes before even that tho. The B49 was an attempt to build a true jet replacement for the B36 based on existing airframes. They actually had the same idea for the B36, which became the B60. Both first flew in 1950. Both projects failed because the B47/B52 development was simply better. Other than that tho I really like this theory.
Poking around on line, Northrop's first flying wing flew in 1929. He had a modern testbed flying in 1940, the research from that was used in the P56 and B35 programs.
Great callout! I certainly got that wrong. I got caught up in the excitement of being able to talk about another wonder weapon that I didn't really take the time to fact check myself.
Northop was studing flying wing since the 1920's, even making a semi-flying wing prototype in 1929's the X-216H being evolved in 1939 into the N-1M a true flying wing The Horten 229 first flight was in 1943 before that the Horten Brothers made motorized gliders in the 1930's To say Northrop copied the concept of flying wings of the Horten 229 is false.
Important note, Northrup was not inspired by the Horton, it was an odd case of convergent evolution, the design of the YB-49 predates the end of the war originally envisioned as the first intercontinental bomber in preparation of the complete loss of Europe.
That's a great callout, I got that wrong. I was just too exited to talk about a Wonder weapon and didn't really research or phrase that part of the video well.
If the plane is nuclear powered, you probably aren't getting your regular ol' combustion in the turbine. I'm not certain, but taking in more air to compress and heat up to blow out the back might explain the usage of several intakes per output.
Given the gung-ho patriotism of the time, I'd have thought they'd have named it the "Freedom Wing" or "Liberty Wing" or something that doesn't sound too much like Wings of Liberty because zerg.
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For the engines, I have a theory on the multiple intakes for one outtake. In the real world, nuclear jet engines weren't that powerful. The multiple intakes is likely a more efficient way to get lots of air into the engine, compared to like a larger fan as it could create more drag compared to a cluster of smaller intakes, which could combine their intakes into a more dense steam of gas to be heated up. The single outtake is for all of that superheated air to be blasted out the back for more thrust.
i really hope someone adds a mod to unsink the airport theres one on xbox but its buggy doesnt really add quite enough room and its not on pc
The lore explanation is that all the fusion powered vehicles still sort of work, but the regulation tech was run by transistors which were shorted by the EMPs, thus any slight damagewould cause a runaway fusion reaction. Prior to the nukes, the fusion regulators worked just fine and prevented runaway reactions
@@theduke7539 Fusion can't have runaway reactions. It's why it's so hard to make sustainable fusion. Fission can have a runaway reaction, even nature has made some nuclear reactors.
@Dustyn Miller fusion bombs would disagree. Thats actually how type 3 nuclear bombs work, and initial fission explosion causes a runaway fusion reaction. We are having trouble with fusion because we are struggling with maintaining pressure in magnetic containment fields while sustaining fuel supply. all the while generating enough power for the reactor to actually fuel itself. Fallout is a world where that problem was already solved. They have fusion reactors and understand the tech very well. So assuming you have a stable magnetic containment field, but an unstable fuel regulation system, an imbalance caused by, oh idk, an explosion, could cause the fuel system to dump its reserves into the reactor, spiking pressures and creating a runaway reaction. Now. in a functioning reactor, failsafes would kick in and immediately disable to containment field which could still damage the reactor but would avert a total loss. However, in fallout, those systems no longer work. so the failsafes dont work, the reactor is jolted into fusing all its fuel at once and bamb, you have a type 4 nuclear explosion. or type 3 I gues if you used a fatman launcher to set off the car.
I dont think that nuclear vehicle crashes would cause nuclear explosions, they likely use a nuclear battery like a fusion core that's degraded and became unstable. like how you can eject unstable fusion cores to explode a similar way with a perk in F4.
Certainly not to the scale that I showed in the video for sure. Though in game cars do go up like mini nukes, so the thought is still valid. At least in my opinion.
Oh man wait till you hear about US nuclear bomber history. It's a close deal.
Edit whoops lol pre-emptive comment. BA was covered ish.
I agree there would be an ejection protocol such as described but more like a warp core eject from a starship.
But that doesn't mean it wouldn't go critical like 200 year old parked cars lol
Contrary to popular depiction, reactor breaches for don't cause nuclear explosions. Explosions from reactors like Chernobyl aren't nuclear, but steam explosions. Boiler explosions are just an over pressurized steam system. The problem with Chernobyl and explosions like it is that radioactive fuel was in the boiler as the heat source. The explosion pulverized the fuel and contaminated boiler metal and flung it all over.
A nuclear aircraft explosion wouldn't be that different from traditional airline crashes, but it would spread radioactive dust and debris across a large area with radioactive smoke billowing into the sky.
@@spydingo those cars were left to the elements for 200+ years tho, of course the safety features and materials are degraded and weak, thus contributing to how volatile they are in the post apocalipse
perhaps the reason there is no door on the cabin, is because the three extra seats would be used by an armed security escort, which would work to ensure the planes security and also be there because in a random quest i found the other day by running into someone in fallout 4, who takes you to a hiden chest on the plane. apparently the entire operation was a cover for weapons smuggling. meaning while the company didnt make as much shipping people they had other reasons to fly
I like that this idea solves two issues in one, why the extra seats and why no door. I do wonder about the potential drawback of having guards onboard that are known to be armed rather than a sky marshal or something similar in concept. On the flip side though, without a door there is pretty much no chance for one pilot to go rogue and lock the other out of the cockpit for untoward reasons, even more so with armed guards.
Well first of all Northrop came up with the "flying wing" concept in the early 1920's as with most aircraft companies (due to the practicality of the design), Horton just found a way to be able to control it as due to the fact that the "boomerang" design tends to be unstable. Second ICBM's were in regular usage and had long since replaced conventional aircraft by the start of the Fallouts WW3 and if a "OCD" op was being made then we would see a crashed bomber (in one of the fallout games at least) since the EMP is the majority caused all aircraft in the fallout world to shut down and fall out of the sky in droves. Thirdly Megaton was put together from the nearby Airfield, even though there wasn't any mention of why the citizens decided to move there is still not fully understood but if it was because of a crashed plane then I would imagine it would be noteworthy to mention it. The flying wing aircraft may have started it's life as a Airforce S.A.C. bomber design but was later used as a civilian transport aircraft due to the ICBM replacing the winged fleet so there would be no Operation Chrome Dome like Op during the events following the fallout's third war.
Multiple NPCs will point you to Nathan's wife, who will tell you *the bomb came from, and the crater made by, a crashed U.S bomber* . Does nobody explore the town, or ask the locals anything?
There's actually a decent few examples of real-world bombers being turned into airliners, for instance there was the Avro Lancaster which became the Avro Lancastrian, the B-24 Liberator becoming the LB30 Liberator, and the B-23 Dragon becoming a pretty popular executive transport, to name a few ;)
There is also the Tu-114
And B-29 as Boeing 377
the yb35 snd yb39 version was developed at the same time as the horten, Northrup had no input from the ho322. just wanted to make that known
You are completely right! I got to caught up in the visual similarities and the desire to talk about the Horton that I got that wrong.
Came here to say this, but you beat me to it.
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6:30 Okay but in our timeline the YB-49 did eventually make a comeback in the form of the B-2 stealth bomber. Why couldn't something similar to that have happened in the Fallout timeline?
It absolutely could of, but the Airliner isn't particularly stealthy in design so I didn't go that route.
@@spydingo I'd like to point out that YB-49 was a reengined YB-35 which while not jet powered does predate the Horten
@@spydingo The Yb design wasn't intended to be stealthy. Rather, the design came about looking for a plane that could fly higher, and carry more payload than existing bombers.
The YB 49 was actually built and tested way before the Horton, with the initial version being the YB 36 and 36, and were flying as early as 1941. After the war the YB 49 was just a 36 with jets instead of piston props and were unrelated to the German flying wings, both were completely independent designs. I only say that as a lot of people like to say that we copped the German aircraft and the B2 is a direct descendent of the HO 229, despite the 2 aircraft being very different in design and intended role.
Error: Jack Northrop came up with the flying wing design separately from the Horton brothers. He didn't even KNOW about the Ho-229 until DECADES later. Him being inspired to make the YB-35, YB-49, B-2 and B-21 upon discovering the Ho-229 is a popular myth.
so glad someone picked up on this, the HO-229 mythos is way larger than it has any right to be.
Pilots frequently ride in other pilots planes to transfer to different terminals, those seats are in most IRL aircraft
Minor correction, it's mentioned by an NPC in Fallout 3 that the plane debris in Megaton were pulled in from elsewhere. Forgot where, but they just built the town on the impact crater around the bomb, likely assuming that a dud was 'safe'.
The majority of the materials used to build megaton was from an airport several miles away. Dismantled piece by piece and dragged to the crater.
Why they didn't just settle in the airport instead of jumping down a hole that will fill up with dust and water, I have no idea.
@@DJWeapon8 supposedly the crater offered shelter from storms (which we never see) and access to (irradiated) water.
I suspect that hiding in a rusty metal shack perched on a crater in a storm in reality a terrible idea.
@@MediumRareOpinions oh its the worst idea! LOL
It'd flood. Especially if its in DC on the Eastern seaboard where it rains a lot.
Then it'd also get buried in sand if there were sandstorms.
And that's if the ground on the sides of the crater didn't just cave in on itself.
IIRC the very first settlers there were trying to get into Vault 101.
They will also mention (well, one will. But she is definitely in a position to know) that the cratee was formed by a crashed U.S bomber, which is slso how the bomb got there.
In the real world there are often jump seats on the flight deck for extra crew being ferried to different airports.
Yup
Your take on the possible lore of the plane is very clever and plausible I liked it very much.
And yeah I think you're crazy to hate the engine intakes lmao.
Would be interesting to look at the landing gear. From what you can see in the game the wing-mounted landing gear looks like a single giant wheel.
Thanks much! I think the wing mounted landing gear is a set of 4 wheels actually.
@@spydingo Yeah from were you can see in the concept art it is a conventional looking landing gear, but when i looked at in game landing gear bay, i don't know it doesn't look like very conventional for me lmao. Maybe I'm crazy
Hey fun fact, the navigator in a b-52 manages the weapons drops while the radar navigator manages target selections among thier other duties. So there's no need for you to add a bombardier. There is also a jump seat just behind the pilot seats for a "flight engineer" and with the gunner position no longer required that engineer even has thier own ejection seat as well. Lol
I feel like the engine cluster design is a part of the slight cartoony twist that Fallout puts on all of their vehicles.
*That Fallout 4/76 put on there designs. 1-3 actually stayed mostly grounded. It's F:4 that went hog wild on the cartoony elements (I personally, intensely, hate how stupidly overboard they went).
I personally like the twist only on some of the vehicles such as some of fo4’s Corvegas, Pcick-R-Ups, and the Fusion Flea, but the airliners and the bizarre Patton tank look clunky and odd.
@@autisticavanti Oh yes, those look great. They also fit in easily with the cars in in 3/NV. It's stuff like the tank, "APC", train, airliner and "Assault Rifle"/pipe guns/a handful of the other guns (well, all of them actually, but in most of the other cases it's because Bugthesda put them on the left side) that annoy me. Possibly because I am an enthusiast of all those things (condense that last point to "firearms").
Extra seats go to: inflight engineer, navigation, stewardess, or instructors. It's quite common among the bigger planes to have a instructor seat to help teach the new guy.
Might just be empty too, off-duty flight crew can request a jump seat on a flight (for example if the flight is almost full and there's not enough regular seats for them and their family, their family can take the regular passenger seats while the off-duty pilot takes a jump seat)
The YB-49 was developed before the Ho 229 in our universe.
The YB-49 actually predates the horton 229. It was based on the airframe of the YB-35, a plane that was first designed in 1941. It didn't see a sucessful flight until 1946, but that has less to do with the 229, and more to do with the fact that Northrop tried to use what was at the time, still experimental prop engines. Also, after the battle of Britain, the allies decided that a transatlantic bomber wasn't necessary, as the more conventional bombers, such as the B-17 and B-24 would be able to operate from the U.K., so, the YB-35/49 ended up not getting the attention of the USAAF.
Great video-- One thing that bothers me. Jack Northrop was obsessed with flying wings before WWII. He built plenty of prototypes before and during the war, without knowledge of the Horten Brothers' design.-- Also, the 3 seats.. One or two.. Could be flight engineers, considering the lack of an engineering station for said flight engineers, seats could imply. But at the same time, having 3 flight engineers seems unlikely, unless one of them was a nuclear engineer? Otherwise, great video!
Jack Northrupt had never heard of or worked with the Horton 229. Horton had been designing and building flying wing designs since the late 20s. And his YB35 bomber was already in the prototype stage when ww2 ended, and his later YB49 used the same airframe but with jet engines. the Horton 229 was a decent aircraft but had nothing to do with Northrupts stint into flying wings
Jist a random fact that shoukd be mention.
But the 747 also started off as a proposal to the USAF as a military cargo plane. But it lost out to the C-5 Galaxy.
It was later redesigned and the Jumbo Jet we all know and love.
Awesome! Thank you, did not know!
Iirc the old lady in Megaton says the town was built from plane parts from the nearby airport.
I'd imagine a military bomber variant would have a turret or turrets (tail, nose, roof, bottom etc) either manned by gunners or remotely controlled/ robotically operated.
And if we're going with the whole "fallout's society is 50s esq" (which I personally think is Bethesda not getting it and being reductive but w/e) then it makes sense for the plane to not be cramed as at the time flying was viewed as a luxury or occasion rather than a flying bus ( see flying prior to the 1990s) so that kind of makes sense for the airline not stuffing the craft full of seats. As for the cockpit I think someone got lazy 🤷🏻♂️. Tangent over.
Your right, apparently an NPC does say that. Odd since I don't remember there being an airport in Fallout 3, very interesting.
Yeah, I could see the military variant having a turrets installed. I'd love to go full B-17 on the thing and have them manned, but I agree a Superfortress type of look would be more fitting.
That's true, in the context of the 50's it makes a lot more since. Who knows, since we know airships were a thing, or at least designs of them were prewar, perhaps this airliner was also in competition with airships like the G 38.
@@spydingo Manya explains that her grandfather and the orginal Megaton settlers picked the airport clean meaning there wouldn't be any buildings left and that it probably got reclaimed by the wasteland
Your design history is a bit off here as Jack Northrop didn't 'latch on to' anything. Northrop had been developing his own flying wing designs as far back as the late 1920's.
Just one thing I was under the assumption that the megaton plane itself, was a different kind of plane to the massive delta wing plane in fallout 4, there is a mod for fallout 3 which reconstructs it and it looks fairly similar to a passenger plane. Also I thought the airliner as seen in the games and concept art to be a purely commercial aeroplane and not a military one. Also where did you get the length from? It seems a little small. Considering it is explicitly stated in lore to be able to carry 3 times the amount of passengers as conventional aircraft.
Your assumption is quite correct, its more of a DC-10 type of aircraft and not the Airliner from fallout 4, and also apparently came from a nearby airport according to a line of dialogue. That being said though, a lot of the vehicles from fallout 4 just don't exist in fallout 3/NV, so its my thought that had they existed, it would have made more sense to be the fallout 4 airliner instead.
That is also true, as far as the game's cannon goes, its a civilian only airframe. I like my theory better though, it enriches the lore in my opinion. The measurements are taken using a mod that allows for, well, measuring things in game, so it's an approximation. The passenger capacity is an approximation by counting the seats in the wreck as best I could, but the designers didn't pack them in all that tightly in the wings, so you could get more in there. Also the upper deck could have been used for passenger capacity as well, although in most of the wrecks this does not appear to be the case. It wouldn't shock me if it could be modified to hold 400 or so.
If I'm not mistaken, the airplane parts were supposed to have come from a nearby airfield
@@joshmakescosplayMost of the parts, especially for the walls, came from the airfield. But the initial parts, bomb, and crater came from a single crashed U.S bomber.
I’d love to see your ideas on Chryslus and their seeming monopoly on the car market in fallout
I'm surprised no one has crafted the theory you stated about the Megaton bomb before. It could explain the Vault Tec logo on the bomb, which could've been painted on by pre-War GIs wanting a laugh at the irony of an atomic bomb sponsored by Vault Tec.
That's true military humor
Love this video! Great explanation of what a good airliner/bomber should be like. Thanks a million!
Dude... the YB-49 did NOT take any insperation from the Horton Ho 229.
Northrop had already experemented with prop powered flying wings and when questioned the Northrop company designers said they had never even heard of the flying boomerang the Germans were working on.
I'll have to correct you on the Northrop part.
as Ho229 is just a glider fitted with jet engines and 30 mm cannons.
While Northrop has been working on the YB-35, and, as you mentioned, the YB-49.
The US has been working on their jet fighter with their Airacomet, which flew in 1942.
So it wouldn't take much time for the Army Procurement to request that their new Strategic bomber should be Jet powered even before receiving reports of the Me-262 in operation use, with the belief that the Jets were the future of the air force
and the start of the Cold War.
With that in mind, Northrop took the YB-35 and got it refitted J35-A-15 engines
On the point of missing instrumentation in the cockpit: the thing has been lying there for 200 years and the equipment was likely scavenged. (See Nuka World's STAR Cores and the story about the traders before the raiders moved in). Aircraft instrumentation is valuable or at least contains valuable parts and meterials. as for the flight recorder: it's not that outlandish. in modern cars diagnostics is done via ethernet (at least for some brands). sure the plug is a bit unconventional, but splicing a few wires would be entirely doable. Considering the pip boy can interface with vault door controls, power armor (both in usage for the HUD as well as for configuratoin/diagnostics if you look at the animations when working on power armor in a station) and even the teleporter/molecular relay of the intitute (which isn't even technology from the same century), being able to read a flight data recorder on a contemporary aircraft actually seems reasonable.
On real planes there often are some (often only one though) spare seats in the cockpit or crew only area for airline internal use (such as transporting other pilots to another airport where they are needed next) without interfering with passengers.
There is presedent for both civilian aircraft being converted to military use (the P-8 Poseidon comes to mind) as well as military to civilian!
Since this aircraft is nuclear powered and likely has insane range, I would imagine that it’s used for long-haul flights. My guess as to why they’d use it for domestic is because it’s what they have and just don’t change the cockpit or anything idfk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ My guess for the extra seats would be that it’s probably a relief crew and engineer
the B-57 designation already exists, it is that of the American version of the English camberra, used in Vietnam
Northrup was testing flying wings before the war. The YB-49 had very few (and minor) German engineering solutions to its aerodynamic problems.
Okay lemme clear something up, the YB was designed after an american made flying wing that existed before the horton, do not feed the wehraboos the idea that the germans came up with the flying wing bomber and flying wing plane design
Larger airliners are usually used for specific high-traffic hub to hub routes. So arguably there should be a smaller version as well.
If the engines are just compressors instead of actual jet engines because of the nuclear power source, maybe that has something to do with why there's more intake than exhaust. Like some sort of chiney going through the wing that takes the compressed and heated air and lets it expand to create exit velocity?
Maybe the crew has pilot, copilot, engineer, navigator, and because of the number of crew (and ocean liner vibe) a separate captain.
A fallout 76 atomic shop item takes the model of the airliner and has it with military paint as a destroyed mid section to be lived in so this supports your idea
Couple of things. First off, the YB-49 was based off of the YB-35, of which development began in 1941. Jack Northrop had been working on flying wings since the 1930’s
Second, I’m a bit skeptical about the airliner in FO4 being derived from an Air Force bomber. While there have been proposals for similar aircraft IRL, they were all cancelled due to them being not as practical as purpose built airliners. There’s a vast difference between making a civilian version of a military cargo plane and converting a bomber. I highly recommend watching the various videos on the topic on the Found and Explained RUclips channel (including the one of converting a Boeing 747 into a cruise missile launcher). More importantly was that they would all have big fat targets painted on them as it would be very difficult to determine which was a bomber and which was an airliner
Also, I think I read somewhere that the bomb in Megaton is Chinese. As an FYI, a lot of modern day Boston is reclaimed land, so the flooding of the airport is believable. And you have to remember that Boston Logan airport is an international airport, so the aircraft could be international flights or long haul domestic/cross country flights
Your absolutely right, I got too exited about talking about a wonder weapon and jumped the gun on that one.
I understand the skepticism. I pretty much created this theory because I loved the idea of operation chrome dome being a thing in the fallout universe and the airliner is the best known airframe in universe that could accomplish that goal. As for the targeting aspect I agree that could be an issue, but it also depends on the nature of the air combat pre war. Are we operating on a WWII dogfight notion of combat like all entertainment seems wanton to do, or are we operating outside visual range.
That is a possibility, but that makes it less likely to me that the bomb wouldn't have gone off. Even if the Megaton bomb is chinese though, that still supports the argument for chrome dome as if the chinese are air dropping nukes, I'd bet my bottom dollar so is the us. The flooding itself is believable I agree, I just wish there was better evidence of a runway underneath of the surface to support this.
Think Northrops wings would influence the bomber over the Horton. Assuming that in Fallout the aircraft followed a similar development. Ie german and American flying wings were developed same time and independent thought processes from eachother.
Yeah. It sounds like he's just repeating the misconception that the HO229 was the first flying wing and thus influenced future Northrop designs.
I think your theory is quite good. The airliner from 4/76 is surprisingly one of the more realistic aircraft from fallout.
Barring the Douglas C-47 Skytrains you can find dotted about Fallout New Vegas' world space
Honestly Fallout seems like the type of alt timeline where the B-36 ends up being in military use for a similar amount of time as the B-52 has been in ours.
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Thank you, I'm glad you think so! I mean, I know that's a thing people do, but that's as far as I've really thought about it. I've always heard that for a collab or shoutout to really work that you need to make sure you have the content to back it up. I suppose with 10 videos now, maybe I've reached that bar and could pursue it.
Not going to lie though, trying to line up a collab or shoutout sounds like it could be work and I've already got a day job for that lol. Who knows though, it could happen.
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Thank you, I'm glad you like them! I do type out the script for each video, so baring some improv I might do during the recording it should be fairly possible, as long as we are talking about a google translation and not a particularly good one. I'll look into it!
to be fair, I always thought the 4-5 missile engine thingy were just greater air intake to cool nuclear powered jet engine
Look up the B-729-airliner by destallano4, they've made a great redesign to the aircraft that makes it appear more functional, while keeping the retrofuture aesthetic.
That thing looks like a really weird combination of a highly upscaled B-29 cockpit, the outer wing of the YB-49 and the inner wing of the FO4 airliner
Always wished they made the Boston airport better. It needs to be way larger like the one from F76. I assume they want us to get it sunk/got flooded over time, but then other parts of the city and map should be flooded/sunken away.
the peninsula the airport is sitting on is heavily flooded to the north of the airport, even overtaking some of the local roads
Northrop did actually consider making a civilian airliner version of the YB49 at some point.
17:30 Engineer, floor management, head steward, tri pilot
This is absolutely a complete non issue compared to the rest of the craft
Megaton nuke has a Vault Tec logo on it too.
i think video discussing super sonic bomber from nexus mods, would be interesting idea, i know its not-canon, but why not?
The yb49 wasn't influenced by the HO229
Megaton was build using planes from a nearby airfield. There is an old lady running around in the citty who will tell you that.
That is where *most* of the parts came from, but the initial parts, crater, and bomb all came from a single bomber.
@@hanzzel6086 And how do you know that?
@@DLT-po6to In game dialogue.
@@hanzzel6086 Is that true? From the old lady or who?
@@DLT-po6to Old lady, although, iirc, Moria mentions it in passing the first time you ask (before telling you to go talk the the old lady).
I can't say I've seen anything in Fallout 76 that suggests the ballistic missiles are tipped with the same nuclear payload as the bombs from Fallout 4. If anything it was terminal entries within the Sentinel site in Fallout 4 itself that suggested that the bombs were in the process of being converted into warheads for ballistic missiles.
Ok so to try to speculate on some of the questions...
1. The engine nacelles are configured oddly, I will give you that. However it isnt entirely braindead design. The lifting surface of the wing obviously works best when unobstructed by things like rivets, panels, bulkheads and well... engines. wing surface goes horizontal and the more of that space you take up for intakes the less wing efficiency you get. Granted that intake design is atrocious at best but having one absurdly large intake would be better than having all of those 10 intakes spread out along the leading edge.
2. Those seats in the cockpit are likely whats called jump seats. Used to ferry crew or essential personnel of the respecting airline from one place to another. Seeing as this is fallout I'm guessing SkyLanes does quite a lot of troop transporting as well as, or even at the same time as commercial flights.
3. I feel the need to point out that there is no engineer or mechanic insane or money hungry enough to stick their hand inside a jet engine that usually has an operating temperature of around 1700 centigrade. Likely more considering nuclear material likes to get far hotter than that.
Having 'walked' through the aircraft I actually think it was the other way around and it was the passenger version that was produced first. The reason, the LACK of internal reinforcement on the passenger version. While it doesn't seem like it, it is far harder to account for the removal and what it would do to an aircraft than it would be to add to an aircraft to account for a shifted load. My guess is that an engineer looked at an empty airliner and said "I can build a bomb-bay in here..."
"I don't know what's more scary. That we lost a nuclear weapon, or that it happens so often we actually have a name for it." 'Broken Arrow' movie, paraphrased.
The idea of a certain implement getting the contract instead of what we got irl is consistent in Fallout’s models
i thought the extra seats were for soldiers, given that there is no door. maybe taking turns guarding
Take this with a massive grain of salt, I've only gone through introductory thermodynamics as of right now, but the engine design isn't completely outlandish. After all, this plane has to use nuclear power to fly, likely by super heating the air using a heat exchange with the nuclear fuel. For this, it would make more sense to compress a lot of air down to a small volume, pass that through the exchange, then exhaust it out the back. After all, you want as small an exchange as possible because the nuclear systems are complex, dangerous, and heavy. Not only would this allow for more efficient power output, but you only need two systems to do this instead of 4-8 turbojets.
Main issue though: The highly compressed air would be extraordinarily hot as is, so there probably wouldn't be much room for heat exchange in the system and the heat transfer would take a long time. Nuclear fuel can get extremely hot, but that risks melting the components of the plane. And, of course, for this to run efficiently, the pressure differences would have to be absolutely insane.
Regarding extra seats in the cockpit: many flights before modern systems had both a flight engineer and a navigator in addition to the pilot and copilot. Some still do.
Regarding the engines: I think the multiple engines are inspired by the B52 and her 8(?) engines. The advantage of having more smaller engines as opposed to one larger engine is that you get more redundancy. The loss of one or two engines represent a smaller percentage of thrust loss. As for funneling multiple engines into a single exhaust nozel, it's certainly possible, but I have no idea about what benefits/difficulties it would have.
That airliner was beat by the legendary SK-282D-22M, a legendary 16 engine Strategic Bomber, that may have been used instead of the YB-47, cause of the relatively low cost then other aircraft, and it's possible use similar to the B-17, if that doesn't ring a bell, you might realize that the SK-282D-22M is similarly used as the B-17 Flying Fortress, by which I mean it can carry 70 tons, if we count the Bomb Pontoons on the wings, on the Fuelsolauge, and in the said Fuelsolauge via the eternal Bombay, and as for why there are three seats in the cockpit in that plane, it's for the flight attendants, back to the SK-282D-22M, the IGE's version of Operation Chrome Dome began in 1992 and was still ongoing before 2077, even THEN that Operation was STILL ongoing either Resources was sent to the then IGGE from planets that still do have Natural Resources that the IGGE had full control over or the IGGE HUGELY decreased the consumption of Natural resources, but by that point, it was the result of the Interplanetary Recourse emergency system, a large line of Natural resources that goes along several Trillion planets, the forcefields across all cities of its colony were already active by 2077 when the Great War began, 7 of the 700 SK-282D-22M bombers were destroyed by the Nuclear explosions, the rest were in hangers of some of the cities under the protection of Forcefields, anyway, see ya later
So something I wanted to point out. This airliner was likely inspired by irl concepts for literally just this, a YB49 airliner. In the 50s there was such fantastical ideas and one was that the cabins were in the wings. I do not remember if there was windows on the leading edge however. I love the video otherwise
Electric jet engines are weird, but I THINK you could have 5 intakes like that, as if they are using the Indirect Air Cycle method, you would have what amounts to radiators in each nacelle, carry the reactors heat to the air chamber, where air compressed by the turbines hits this radiator, is super heated, and blasted out for thrust, so instead of a combustion chamber you have a radiator full of liquid metal...
I’d like to propose a counter that the bomber aircraft be renamed to the B-59 Stratoray, as the B-57 is already taken by the Catalina. Though it could also replace it if it were a light strategic bomber.
I think that the b52 would have been In the fallout universe for the fact it would still be a better bomber than the flying wing since it's less bulky than the flying wing and that would lead to alot of drag plus the b52 has alot more versatility than most other aircraft so it would make since that it would still be the fallout universe since it been in our real like universe airforce for so long which definitely shows how versatile the aircraft is able to adapt at combat roles
An atomically powered B52 certainly could exist, I'd certainly have no problem with that. The only minor annoyance I'd have with that, is it would point to a similar design philosophy to that of our universe. That design philosophy would render the creation of platforms like the airliner and stingray deluxe much harder to justify.
also I can't imagine the cabin would be quiet with those huge engine clusters right beside the wall of first class
since its nuclear powered the engines probably are "wired" to the same coolant loop so the area of contact with air and thus the efficiency of the engien is higer, also assuming all 5 go to the same exaust, that wouldn't be a problem since all 5 are working to achieve a certain thrust, and the size of the middle section of the engine implies the "rotor" is very big leaving very little space between the outter and inner walls of the inner part of the engine, so the flux of air is way lower than a regular turbofan engine...this could mean its purposelly built this way so the air goes slower on the inside to heat as much as possible from the heat exchanger walls before being accelerated to the back and combining with the other 4 exauts before going out, meaning it would be efficient in lower altitudes and speeds, but would need a powerfull compressor to work properly on high altitudes and high speed...which makes me feel like this plane was supposed to fly just like a prop engine, but with very low cost on refueling and high efficiency and flight hours...very fuel efficient, not so powerfull...
Based on how the jet engines are set up im assuming its a low fuel high pressure based jet thruster, but yeah your right its super silly to have that many intakes on a single thruster, they are basicly cold running the jet and if they want a even fuel consumption then that engine is gonna run loud and hot enough to make anyone in the plane annoyed
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The 767-300 is 180ft 3 inches long
Just to make it easier to visualize the length
I would say you're wrong about the junkers because the YB49 flying wing also had a passenger version. also what about the B-47?
The extra seats could be for jumpseaters
And domestic flights operated by 767s and even 777s and 787s aren’t rare and are profitable
I would point out that this design makes a lot of sense. I argue that the military version came first, and that the wings were used as additional payload capacity. That's why the civilian version puts the passengers into the wings: the space was already there.
It's funny you mention individuals needing to escape from the aircraft during an emergency however there seems to be a significant lack of dead passengers on any of these crashed vehicles considering they were probably more than two hundred people on board when it went down and also on most of the crash sites there's very little radiation leaking from the engines even years later also no evidence of Fire or fuselage buckling or rolling which means this aircraft was probably extravagantly safe and highly survivable during an accident.
The single exhaust pipe is not as crazy as it seems, the jet pipe really only exists to divert the exhaust to a useful location. A real world parallel can be seen sith one of Kurt Tanks last sircraft designs, a regional jet liner that has five jet engines in radial symmetry in the back with only one jet exhaust. The knly problem could be thermal protection, but seeing as humanity uses nuclear energy almost everywhere, I imagine that thermal protection is mastered.
In addition to that, the sheer thickness of the wing would give this design a metric tonne of lift. So it could probably make a relatively short take off run, the power of 10 large jet engines permitting.
The problem is the fallout world wouldn't need to use a new plane for ww3 because as we all know the B52 is going to last until the end of time. Every retirement sate is a lie we're gonna be retrofitting those things for space. Also Megaton's airplane parts are apperantly from an off map airport. Don't ask why they decided to drag all that to Megaton its Bethesda.
Wasn’t the Yb-49 built like four years before the Horton 229? 5:48 because the 229 was built in like 1944 and the YB-49 took first flight in like 1940 that might be wrong
man can I get the images of the airplane you used? these are so damn good an I can never find decent images of a full intact version of this plane! Anywhere at all, beyond the non used in game asset for fallout 4 that has no textures at all!
Sure thing, they are my own creation. Contact me at spydingo.plays@gmail.com and I'll send em' over.
Love the video BUT ... have to disagree Northrop was earlier in bussiness of flying wing than ho229 (as airplane and history nerd I've had to say it xD )
Fun fact: the B-52 that is currently used today is recently getting an engine Refit, so I assume every outdated aircraft got an engine refit, from WW2 to the first jet aircraft got engine refits
Well the plane not as odd as the Fallout 3 Chinese Bomber but i still go mm "How" when i look at them.
Megaton plane is more like a Douglas DC-10.
Yep, the tail section with the dorsal mounted engine certainly points to the Douglas DC-10.
Odd thing I've noticed about Megaton, if you assume all commercial airliners are that flying wing then they probably didn't plan much aircraft lore at the time of making Fallout 3. All of the aircraft parts that make up Megaton come from probably the Lockheed (Lockreed) L-1011 TriStar with the in-universe serial numbers filed off. The tail which can be seen has a big-ass "S"-duct in it unlike the the DC-10 which has a straight-through design, and the engine over the Megaton front gate is more than likely one of the wing engines. In your footage you can also see the other wing engine suspended within the settlement as part of the construction. The widebody fuselage, wings, and control surfaces scattered around the walls and structure go without saying.
the yb49, which is basicly the jetpowered yb35 was NOT based off the horten - the yb35 contract was made 4 years before the end of the war. and far before the hortons developement.
Good video but Northrop was working on flying wings before he acquired the HO-229, once they acquired the company after the war they let the HO-229 rot due to mostly being a bluff
I buy air drops sticking around for a while as icbms need microprocessors, and that's the big thing in fallout that they dont have microprocessors
5:47 the Horton having anything to do with flying wings developed in the US is entirely inaccurate. Northrop had independently been experimenting with flying wing concepts for a while, and the YB-49 is a refinement on his designs.
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yeah no the YB-49 is not based on the Ho-229, the YB-49 is based on the YB-35, a plane from the 1930's
yes they *LOOK* similar, thats it
also no, the B2 Spirit is also not based in any way shape or form on the Ho-229, and the Ho-229 isnt really capeable of stealth
been loving the content man! i like how u point out how many practical flaws fallout vehicles have for the sake of looking cool, cant wait to see more :)
I'm happy to hear that! Thank you!
I respectfully disagree that the Flying wing would have been taken up in this diverged timeline. Flying wings were still too unstable and without the modern computers to more efficiently control them. The AirForce would eventually see that few pilots could master them and it being a deisgn that still has a lot of kinks would be expensive. If they wanted to have a Nuclear capable air force then they would have to abandon them in exchange for aircraft that are more reliable, cheaper, and have more to project its force with (not to mention you need it for more than dropping nukes).I would say that the return of the flying wing was pushed further than our time. If they can have butler robots... I don't see them not having the hardware and software to do it, although it would look more primative than what we have as they are just starting out after the project has been hiatus for almost 90 years.
It would be cool if one of these crashed and turned into a small Hamlet or town considering how much space it has. If it brakes into 3 of 4 pieces that's like 3 decently large buildings for the wasteland
In fairness to the Fallout franchise, it's technology has always been shown to be inefficient in some way. The whole idea behind the aesthetic is that it's what people in the 1950's and 60's imagined the future to look like. Bethesda seem to be making the games look more like the 50's but with futuristic technology, which was never what Fallout was. That's just my own gripes though.
One minor gripe. Northrop's flying wing work was not at all related to the Horton's. Northrop had been working on the concept since at least the 30s, and had several flying wings before the B 49. The conpetiitor to the B 36 was the B 35, a prop powered flying wing. The first true prototypeflying wing was the P 56 which flew in early 43. I can't remember if there were test vehicoes before even that tho. The B49 was an attempt to build a true jet replacement for the B36 based on existing airframes. They actually had the same idea for the B36, which became the B60. Both first flew in 1950. Both projects failed because the B47/B52 development was simply better. Other than that tho I really like this theory.
Poking around on line, Northrop's first flying wing flew in 1929. He had a modern testbed flying in 1940, the research from that was used in the P56 and B35 programs.
Great callout! I certainly got that wrong. I got caught up in the excitement of being able to talk about another wonder weapon that I didn't really take the time to fact check myself.
Boi the B-35 and B-49 as a concept predate the horton
I'm surprised you didn't mention it, but during OP Anchorage, during the photo op, stat bombers actually have a flyover apperance
Personally, the US flying wing design origins come from the N-9M respectively, but still great video
Northop was studing flying wing since the 1920's, even making a semi-flying wing prototype in 1929's the X-216H being evolved in 1939 into the N-1M a true flying wing
The Horten 229 first flight was in 1943 before that the Horten Brothers made motorized gliders in the 1930's
To say Northrop copied the concept of flying wings of the Horten 229 is false.
Flight 19?! That's the same flight of the doomed Grumman Avengers squadron, which disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle!😱
Yep! That story fascinates me, so I couldn't help but reference it.
@@spydingo That was a nice touch indeed!😉 Coincidentaly, i've been reading a book about The Bermuda Triangle by Richard Winer.
Been waiting for this one.
Hope it met expectations!
Important note, Northrup was not inspired by the Horton, it was an odd case of convergent evolution, the design of the YB-49 predates the end of the war originally envisioned as the first intercontinental bomber in preparation of the complete loss of Europe.
That's a great callout, I got that wrong. I was just too exited to talk about a Wonder weapon and didn't really research or phrase that part of the video well.
*something something angry Lazerpig viewer noises about the Horten*
If the plane is nuclear powered, you probably aren't getting your regular ol' combustion in the turbine. I'm not certain, but taking in more air to compress and heat up to blow out the back might explain the usage of several intakes per output.
Given the gung-ho patriotism of the time, I'd have thought they'd have named it the "Freedom Wing" or "Liberty Wing" or something that doesn't sound too much like Wings of Liberty because zerg.