I'm an APRS naysayer as well, but I watch all of Jason's videos on the subject, because, as you say he is a wealth of knowledge and knowledge is always a good thing. I'd be psyched to see you two do a livestream on it. Should I set up multiple accounts to give more likes?
Disable internet with APRS: put RFONLY or NOGATE in your digipath, along with WIDE1-1. It's a valid use case to simulate internet failure around existing RF infrastructure. Okay, now you owe me a Mac tip!
Just was going to say this. I run cross-band APRS digi/gates and the software that coordinates them is essentially a router and honors the NOGATE and RFONLY digipath directives. I hope to propose some directives for smart digi to add preferences related to the 30m path, and some additional breadcrumbs that can help keep the RF network resilient. But even so, Mike, I liked your video but I can’t hit the Like button, because even though I build and run APRS, I don’t want to watch people talk about it for 30 minutes. How about a review of UPSs for the Mac? 😁
Good test! I sometimes run Pinpoint APRS with my local radio, and don't enable displaying any internet transmitted APRS packets on my map - the sheer volume of APRS traffic that is internet driven is nuts!
Hi Mike, I am very excited about the possibility of an APRS focused video. Although I have disagreed with you about APRS in the past, I respected your view and feel like you were not only fair about it this time but that you may have picked up some more knowledge from Jason than you had. As a radio volunteer for the EOC in our big firestation, I use APRS as a tool to track the locations of our other volunteers out in the field with their go boxes in disasters(like the fire that almost burned down my city two years ago).
I am an amateur radio operator but never thoroughly knew or was interested in APRS. This video really (discussion) helped me understand the purpose. In Mike's use case at Big Bend, couldn't an HF solution be deployed in an NVIS configuration?
An APRS live stream would be interesting, thanks! I’d be interested in finding a real world use for it. All I've done is play with it a bit. And I disabled it completely on one of my radios (FTM-500) because I couldn't get it to stop making annoying noises.
I NEED HELP! New follower here and I bought the Baofeng UV5R, while trying to figure this thing out I accidentally reset to factory settings and now it's speaking Chinese! Help! How can I reset to English? I thought resetting would erase the channels I had saved 😔
Press the menu button Use arrow keys to get to menu item 14 (voice) Press menu to select Voice Use the arrow keys to navigate to English Press menu to confirm the language Exit menu
Re folding back antenna wire: folding back antenna wire adds inductance. Inductance is just an overlapping magnetic field. When you fold back some wire on itself, the magnetic field of the part that is folded overlaps. Some antenna designs use this deliberately to create linear loading (as opposed to a loading coil). Now you know. Enjoy!
Mike, Mike here, de KB5HXT. I'm getting back into packet and since my PK-232 only does 300 baud, I have build two Nino TNC's . I want to interest local hams in the OKC area to join my network. The TARPN rules say that we can't use third party (internet) to interconnect our stations. Perhaps the operator asking about EMCOMM over APRS would like to research that aspect of the hobby. I don't know how the BBS and CHAT frequencies would be assigned, but this network would not operate on the assigned APRS freq's. 73, Mike
Hi Mike, APRS (all ham bands) works grid down perfectly well, without an Internet (though would be a plus), including messaging and locating by gps (if satellites are working) or manual lat/lon, including with on map/chart representation (EG: Yaaks, APRSI32, and APRSDROID, "MAC" is too restrictive so don't use it or test it). Have you been in any EMCOMM situations or exercises in order to judge beyond your imagination? I did do a like, by the way! Love you bro...
Mike, I am aware of you feelings about APRS. I just purchased the $180.00 BTech UV-Pro, and love it. The APRS functions are built into this radio. The radio is the same as the Vero, but it’s adds America’s NOAA frequencies with the ability to be alerted in severe weather. My interest in APRS is the ability to send an SMS text message home to a family member with a cell phone when I am away hunting or hiking in a mountainous area without cell service. I want the family member to know that I arrived at my destination safe, and all is well. I know that my area is served with an internet supported igate and hope to test the system out soon. I understand that you see this as useless pinging your position every few minutes, but I believe that I have a very practical and useful reason to use APRS. I hope you respond.
I think the idea of position reporting has its place in Emcomm. This is evidenced by position support in commercial radio systems used by professional teams. I can imagine a Control station having its own APRS receiving infrastructure. The only limitation is that APRS in its original format at least has no modern features like error correction. Adding error correction into the protocol would increase reliability. Modern replacements like DPRS will address this, but they are proprietary so tied to one type of digital radio format.
Error correction would double or triple the traffic on 144.390 with the acks and retransmissions of unacknowledged packets. In a well set up local APRS network every packet will be digipeated at least once anyway, so error correction's not that important. I can see how it could be useful on, say, a rural area network in hilly terrain or something, where there's not that much APRS activity anyway, to cut down on the effect of RF dead spots that digipeaters don't cover, but to make error correction part of the APRS specification would make its use in urban areas impossible, not to mention breaking all of the existing radios, digipeaters and software that are designed to use AX.25 not FX.25 (which has error-checking.)
The best decision Mike had ever made! Leave a professional educate people about APRS!!! Kudos Mike 😂. If I want to learn about POTA Mike is my guy but if I want to learn about the amazing APRS Jason is the guy! Love to see a hater growing in his hating career LMAO 😂😅
reallly wish there was a “migration assistant” that migrated all logs into HAMRS PRO rather than 1 at a time! My main log has both POTA and non-POTA qso’s and I only want to migrate POTA logs into HAMRS PRO
Psst: You’re at 505 likes. 👍 APRS is a tool, like anything else in amateur radio. Some will find it useful, some will not. I am curious about it, but like any tool, in what case would I find it useful? This is a question I must ask myself prior to buying a radio that does APRS.
Don't know why all the discussion about APRS recently. I think all the questions have been around for +24years and in all that time, the real world seems to keep coming back to "as a tracker." Which sometimes is all folks want or need. Many folks push it further, but that's still the primary use.
I am not sure why people piss and moan about the Internet. We don't live in 1960, it is a tool. Learn how to use it to your advantage. This is not your Grandpa's Ham Radio 🌮🌮🌮
Maybe when you realise apps can write code, and take screenshots, say for example of your banking, you may begin to understand? Radio does not, it's just you, a length of wire, and a transceiver.👍
Internet access may not always be there especially in disaster or calamity situations. It's nice to have but not to be absolutely relied upon for communications.
OK Here is another APRS question. and Yes I do not use APRS like you. APRS sounds like just a differant version of the Meshtastic stuff I have heard so much about. So is it like Meshtastic or are we talking very differant use case stuff for the two technologies. Thanks Mike. Vic de KE8JWE
Look, half the time when people talk about APRS they mean digital comms over AFSK. For sending text messages over FM for cheap, it can work. it can even work with a laptop, baofeng, and cables. it can even work with a digirig and an android phone. all the OTHER stuff, internet routing... is just extra stuff to play around with and not EMCOMM relevant.
@@hamradiotube Yeah, today the models are looking more like it will miss you further to the north and just be a rain event for you. But it's cvolfd, right? And weather is weather, so be prepared and be safe. (I just got my generator tuned up, but then I'm in NH, so that's always wise.)
Mike... Smart Logger is much better than HAMRS. It's free AND it syncs everywhere and anywhere. I wanted to love HAMRS but the whole universe of HAMRS is disconnected and disjointed. The apps don't talk to each other. It's nuts. Smart Logger works on any device and the sync shows the logs everywhere... mobile or desktop.
It's not either/or, you can use both. APRS is good for sharing information in a one-to-many broadcast style, things like objects, plus it does the equivalent to SMS texting For emcomm the more communication tools you have available the better. APRS, packet BBS, Winlink, analog voice, digital voice, NVIS HF: whatever lets you communicate when you really need to in an emergency when there's no Internet or cell service.
I'm an APRS naysayer as well, but I watch all of Jason's videos on the subject, because, as you say he is a wealth of knowledge and knowledge is always a good thing. I'd be psyched to see you two do a livestream on it. Should I set up multiple accounts to give more likes?
APRS aside, Kudos to Mike for including Jason's video. Great to see the community of on line Elmers helping each other.
Disable internet with APRS: put RFONLY or NOGATE in your digipath, along with WIDE1-1. It's a valid use case to simulate internet failure around existing RF infrastructure. Okay, now you owe me a Mac tip!
Damn, you are quick and knowledgeable!
Just was going to say this. I run cross-band APRS digi/gates and the software that coordinates them is essentially a router and honors the NOGATE and RFONLY digipath directives. I hope to propose some directives for smart digi to add preferences related to the 30m path, and some additional breadcrumbs that can help keep the RF network resilient.
But even so, Mike, I liked your video but I can’t hit the Like button, because even though I build and run APRS, I don’t want to watch people talk about it for 30 minutes. How about a review of UPSs for the Mac? 😁
Good test! I sometimes run Pinpoint APRS with my local radio, and don't enable displaying any internet transmitted APRS packets on my map - the sheer volume of APRS traffic that is internet driven is nuts!
Mac tip #1 install homebrew :)
This is why you get my money.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Hi Mike, I am very excited about the possibility of an APRS focused video. Although I have disagreed with you about APRS in the past, I respected your view and feel like you were not only fair about it this time but that you may have picked up some more knowledge from Jason than you had. As a radio volunteer for the EOC in our big firestation, I use APRS as a tool to track the locations of our other volunteers out in the field with their go boxes in disasters(like the fire that almost burned down my city two years ago).
I am an amateur radio operator but never thoroughly knew or was interested in APRS. This video really (discussion) helped me understand the purpose. In Mike's use case at Big Bend, couldn't an HF solution be deployed in an NVIS configuration?
536 likes currently! I look forward to the live stream with your nemesis.
An APRS live stream would be interesting, thanks! I’d be interested in finding a real world use for it. All I've done is play with it a bit. And I disabled it completely on one of my radios (FTM-500) because I couldn't get it to stop making annoying noises.
Happy New year Mike! Hope it brings you loads of fun pal!
Happy New Year for you as well sensei!
Insulated wire generally needs trimming due to velocity factor.
3 thumbs up because Jason was here. 😂
Happy new year !🎉
I NEED HELP! New follower here and I bought the Baofeng UV5R, while trying to figure this thing out I accidentally reset to factory settings and now it's speaking Chinese! Help! How can I reset to English? I thought resetting would erase the channels I had saved 😔
Press the menu button
Use arrow keys to get to menu item 14 (voice)
Press menu to select Voice
Use the arrow keys to navigate to English
Press menu to confirm the language
Exit menu
Menu 14 then change it then push menu to confirm
Re folding back antenna wire: folding back antenna wire adds inductance. Inductance is just an overlapping magnetic field. When you fold back some wire on itself, the magnetic field of the part that is folded overlaps. Some antenna designs use this deliberately to create linear loading (as opposed to a loading coil). Now you know. Enjoy!
Mike, Mike here, de KB5HXT. I'm getting back into packet and since my PK-232 only does 300 baud, I have build two Nino TNC's . I want to interest local hams in the OKC area to join my network. The TARPN rules say that we can't use third party (internet) to interconnect our stations. Perhaps the operator asking about EMCOMM over APRS would like to research that aspect of the hobby. I don't know how the BBS and CHAT frequencies would be assigned, but this network would not operate on the assigned APRS freq's. 73, Mike
Hi Mike, APRS (all ham bands) works grid down perfectly well, without an Internet (though would be a plus), including messaging and locating by gps (if satellites are working) or manual lat/lon, including with on map/chart representation (EG: Yaaks, APRSI32, and APRSDROID, "MAC" is too restrictive so don't use it or test it). Have you been in any EMCOMM situations or exercises in order to judge beyond your imagination? I did do a like, by the way! Love you bro...
Mike, I am aware of you feelings about APRS. I just purchased the $180.00 BTech UV-Pro, and love it. The APRS functions are built into this radio. The radio is the same as the Vero, but it’s adds America’s NOAA frequencies with the ability to be alerted in severe weather. My interest in APRS is the ability to send an SMS text message home to a family member with a cell phone when I am away hunting or hiking in a mountainous area without cell service. I want the family member to know that I arrived at my destination safe, and all is well. I know that my area is served with an internet supported igate and hope to test the system out soon. I understand that you see this as useless pinging your position every few minutes, but I believe that I have a very practical and useful reason to use APRS. I hope you respond.
I have a FT5D and a Kenwood D75A for APRS,
I think the idea of position reporting has its place in Emcomm. This is evidenced by position support in commercial radio systems used by professional teams.
I can imagine a Control station having its own APRS receiving infrastructure.
The only limitation is that APRS in its original format at least has no modern features like error correction. Adding error correction into the protocol would increase reliability. Modern replacements like DPRS will address this, but they are proprietary so tied to one type of digital radio format.
Error correction would double or triple the traffic on 144.390 with the acks and retransmissions of unacknowledged packets. In a well set up local APRS network every packet will be digipeated at least once anyway, so error correction's not that important. I can see how it could be useful on, say, a rural area network in hilly terrain or something, where there's not that much APRS activity anyway, to cut down on the effect of RF dead spots that digipeaters don't cover, but to make error correction part of the APRS specification would make its use in urban areas impossible, not to mention breaking all of the existing radios, digipeaters and software that are designed to use AX.25 not FX.25 (which has error-checking.)
Wouldnt u just put nogate in your path? That would keep it from the internet?
The best decision Mike had ever made! Leave a professional educate people about APRS!!! Kudos Mike 😂. If I want to learn about POTA Mike is my guy but if I want to learn about the amazing APRS Jason is the guy! Love to see a hater growing in his hating career LMAO 😂😅
Trust me, the hate only grows stronger 🤣
@@hamradiotube LOL, I have to admit that I love your custom tshirt. But APRS is awesome!
@@hamradiotube Hate? Come on, get a grip on yourself. (Ooh, that sounds nasty!) 🤣
"Thanks Jason for answering the question even though I hate you." 😂
reallly wish there was a “migration assistant” that migrated all logs into HAMRS PRO rather than 1 at a time! My main log has both POTA and non-POTA qso’s and I only want to migrate POTA logs into HAMRS PRO
I regret that I have only one like to give!
Do the livestream with Jason!
Psst: You’re at 505 likes. 👍
APRS is a tool, like anything else in amateur radio. Some will find it useful, some will not.
I am curious about it, but like any tool, in what case would I find it useful? This is a question I must ask myself prior to buying a radio that does APRS.
So have you heard anything from the Winlink folks besides the standard "No to Mac" reply?
Don't know why all the discussion about APRS recently. I think all the questions have been around for +24years and in all that time, the real world seems to keep coming back to "as a tracker."
Which sometimes is all folks want or need. Many folks push it further, but that's still the primary use.
Mike I don't think you put the link to patreon in the description. I see everything else but not a link to patreon for those who want it.
It took me a second to find it too lol. It’s the second link, look for the star next to “consider becoming a Patron”.
And then to enliven things further, you and Jason can square off on the merits of using Linux vs Mac ..... ;-)
That would be interesting. But, I want them in the same room when they do it.
I choose to remain Clueless on how APRS works! 😂
I am not sure why people piss and moan about the Internet. We don't live in 1960, it is a tool. Learn how to use it to your advantage. This is not your Grandpa's Ham Radio 🌮🌮🌮
Maybe when you realise apps can write code, and take screenshots, say for example of your banking, you may begin to understand?
Radio does not, it's just you, a length of wire, and a transceiver.👍
Internet access may not always be there especially in disaster or calamity situations. It's nice to have but not to be absolutely relied upon for communications.
OK Here is another APRS question. and Yes I do not use APRS like you. APRS sounds like just a differant version of the Meshtastic stuff I have heard so much about. So is it like Meshtastic or are we talking very differant use case stuff for the two technologies. Thanks Mike. Vic de KE8JWE
Hah! I made the 501 like, yesssssss!!!
Look, half the time when people talk about APRS they mean digital comms over AFSK. For sending text messages over FM for cheap, it can work. it can even work with a laptop, baofeng, and cables. it can even work with a digirig and an android phone. all the OTHER stuff, internet routing... is just extra stuff to play around with and not EMCOMM relevant.
Good golly.
👍 # 203. Let's go! Get those likes up passed 500!
Have fun with the snow on Thursday. Charge your batteries.
You know, In Texas snow is a bad word😂. Fortunately I don’t see any snow predicted where I am but that’s very subject to change.
@@hamradiotube Yeah, today the models are looking more like it will miss you further to the north and just be a rain event for you. But it's cvolfd, right? And weather is weather, so be prepared and be safe. (I just got my generator tuned up, but then I'm in NH, so that's always wise.)
Mike... Smart Logger is much better than HAMRS. It's free AND it syncs everywhere and anywhere.
I wanted to love HAMRS but the whole universe of HAMRS is disconnected and disjointed. The apps don't talk to each other. It's nuts.
Smart Logger works on any device and the sync shows the logs everywhere... mobile or desktop.
479 likes. Looks like you're screwed Mike
Packets travel better than audio...
Sorry APRS is such a thorn in your side As you evolve you will change your mind 😂
Well I've been not using it for over 2 years now, I doubt very much my mind will be changed on the subject.
Liked just to make you suffer
So let me get this straight? You hate APRS but yet do FT8? It’s basically the same exact thing. 🤦
You dating APRS again? Thought you two broke up? This on again off again is not healthy.
It's complicated
All APRS is good for is telling your enemy where you are!
This is Ham Radio, not a combat zone.
@@ThePapaMike
Yet... 😂
Or where you want him to think you are.
APRS is stupid. packet BBS way more useful
It's not either/or, you can use both. APRS is good for sharing information in a one-to-many broadcast style, things like objects, plus it does the equivalent to SMS texting For emcomm the more communication tools you have available the better. APRS, packet BBS, Winlink, analog voice, digital voice, NVIS HF: whatever lets you communicate when you really need to in an emergency when there's no Internet or cell service.
APRS is watered down Packet. It sux.