Bosch 12V Cordless Brushless 5" Random Orbital Sander Review
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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The Bosch 12V Max GEX12V-5 Cordless Brushless 5" Random Orbital Sander offers great performance in a small footprint. Bare tool is just 1 lb 14 oz! Runtime is 10.5 minutes on a 2Ah battery, so make sure you have several on hand if you're doing a larger sanding job, or maybe spring for a 6Ah battery.
I tried one up yesterday while I was at Lowes and was immediately sold on it. So much lighter and easier on the hand than my current Skil 20v sander. Thanks for the review!
@alex ander yes its definitely quieter, and way more comfortable to use.
Nice review. Very surprised to hear that the Dewalt has less vibration. I have the 18v Bosch and it is way smoother than the Dewalt. Also less power, similar to what you reported for the 12v. Probably less orbital movement for both than the Dewalt.
As a cabinet installer, I would go with the Bosch for planer, sander and router.
But Bosch charging times, as well as such a small lineup (available in NA) of 10.8 tools, (18v as well) have scared me off.
I have 20+ M12 tools.
Failures are 6 ahr batteries not taking a charge, lighting, circular saw underpowered, jigsaw is only good for coping trim, and the obimination of NA installation driver fwd/rev switch (won it on Ig and wouldn't pay $45 for it).
Pros are tools that no other brand has....., stubby impact wrenches, ratchets, air inflater , 23g pinner, surge, sds, greasgun, fuel OMT (as fast as new BL Makita 18v which I own), gen 1 portaband,sds vacuum, and heated gear all of which I own.
In addition to standard drills, impacts, etc.
Am liking Metabo (not HPT) as they release more 18v tools, reminds me of festool of the 90's.
I have the brushed Metabo 12 instalation driver, it just doesn't compare to M12 for power.
Great review!
I always like round dust ports. They are a lot easier to attach a vacuum too. Some sanders just have mediocre dust collection and also a square or rectangle dust port and you can't really do much about those.
Thanks for the review, Nate. That looks really handy for smaller jobs, and the ergonomics look great. I just wish that Milwaukee would make an M12 Fuel equivalent, since they have a similar form factor battery. I haven't felt a need yet to jump onto Bosch's 12V system when I'm already into Milwaukee and Skil for my handy 12V tools.
FWIW, I had a bunch of Bosch 12v and 18v tools and jumped ship to Milwaukee. I really wish Milwaukee would make a M12 Fuel Jigsaw. I have the M18 Fuel jigsaw and it is fantastic but also big and heavy. The little 12v Bosch jigsaw was really compact and sort of handy but runtime was awful with the 2ah packs.
I agree - I really wish Milwaukee would make an M12 router and a better M12 installation driver. I prefer my Bosch Flexiclick mainly due to the stupid electronic fwd/rev switch on the Milwaukee. That, and I prefer the traditional drill design instead of the handguard design. Bosch seems to have focused on niche 12V tools rather than filling out a complete lineup. I love the ones they have, they just don't have enough variety to make it my main 12V system.
@b gg I have the M18 router and it's pretty good. If you can, get the kit with the plunge base on sale. I may get a second one if the kit goes on sale again.
@b gg It's compact compared to a Bosch 1617.
I find it convenient to have a small bit pre-set in that doesn't require more HP. I have a couple flush trim bits, a small chamfer and a small roundover. The small flushtrims are great for cleaning up formica after contact cement.
Nice review! It's definitely styled after the corded/ pneumatic Mirka Sanders- wouldn't surprised if they have leased the rights to them or something. I have the 18v version which offers some serious runtime- My brother has the 12v, and loves the size, but you definitely want to run the 6.0 in it if you can 👍
Dude, I’m a Subscriber and follower and love your videos, but I’m at a loss on this one? 12 volt lines have their place no doubt, but I say skip this and get the new 18 volt version of Bosch! It will sand rings around that DeWalt, and runs real well and is so balanced with the 4.0 Ah Core battery. You should look into it. And yes, Ive used it (Santa got it for me ) and I have several corded 5 inch ROSanders, including Bosch, Makita, and DeWalt. I prefer Bosch. I have used my corded 5 inch sanders to ‘even out’ surfaces! Of course, YMMV.
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I'm already in the Bosch 12V system, and I just had to know if this thing was any good. I've been eyeing the Bosch 18V version as well, especially with the Lowes deal that comes with a free battery and charger. It looks really nice, but I don't have any other Bosch 18V batteries.
@@DoresoomReviews It makes sense to me now, and I had forgotten you were in the Bosch 12 volt system, so I ‘spoke out of turn’ as they say. My bad. Yes, you should go for it, as you get the 4.0 Core battery gratis! Excellent battery! They also have the brushless multi tool with same deal. You might want to look into it. Miss your great and comprehensive reviews! Wishing you a Great and Happy New Year!
18v version is where it’s at. Better than the Milwaukee and dewalt by far. Ergonomics are perfect.
when it comes to 12v platforms milwaukee is by far the biggest and the most updated platform in terms of specs and innovations and bosch is the 2nd. makita dewalt and metabo also have decent 12v platforms but not as diverse as bosch. Bosch has about 50 tools in their 12v platform milwaukee around 100 while makita dewalt and metabo in between 10-20
Good assessment, I agree. I need to do a review on the M12 orbital sander compared to this one. It's much better for working in tight spaces!
m12 is quite tall is the old style i think a better contender for this bosch would be metabo 12v orbital sander SXA 12-125@@DoresoomReviews
But. Why would you go for a 12v when the 18v or higher does the job? It seems the 12v doesnt cost any less so whats the advantage? Weight?
Weight, and battery platform. Many people will have Bosch 12V batteries but no Bosch 18V batteries. Also, the 12V was $30 cheaper than the 18V when it came out. Since then they've raised the price by $20 for the 12V and $10 for the 18V.
@@DoresoomReviews Thanks for the reply! I guess once you committed yourself to a manufacturer and further to battery size, you usually stick with that. Makes sense from a financial standpoint at least.
I run both the dewalt 18/20v platform and the bocsh 12v platform, if I had to choose between one random orbit sander witch one should I go for. Dewalt 18v or bosch 12v
Definitely DeWalt 20V if you can only choose one. I love that sander - I don't think I've picked up my corded 5" ROS since getting the DeWalt.
Milwaukee m12 needs to make one of these
They did just release an orbital detail sander. It's not random orbit, but I doubt I'll be using this Bosch much at all after I got the Milwaukee. www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M12-FUEL-12-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Brushless-Cordless-Orbital-Detail-Sander-Tool-Only-2531-20/320268509
@@DoresoomReviews 5” random orbital is needed in some aspects, but I love the detail sander m12 just came out with. Still want this one
It's worth noting that fast charging batteries is TERRIBLE for them. Do that a few times and you will have stripped away 15-30% of their maximum capacity depending on the chemistry. Bosch does have the BC430 charger which will charge them in 30 minutes if that's what you really want though.
It does cause more wear, but it's not as terrible for them as you make it out to be. As long as the power tool manufacturer is staying within the cell's max charging rate specifications, the degradation will be minimal. I have tools on nearly every big name battery platform out there, and this Bosch 12V charger is by far the slowest. I'm pretty sure the BC430 is discontinued.
Check my review of the 18v. Basically the same sander with more runtime/,faster charging
I'll have to check it out - although I've been eyeing the 18V too, and I like to finish my review of a tool before watching anyone else's just so that I'm not inadvertently ripping off someone else's observations! 😄
That dust bag and extraction port are just awful. Gets in the way and forces the sander away from perpendicular surfaces.
Bosch HAD a faster charger but IIRC they discontinued it for "efficiency" reasons to save the planet or something.
I wonder how the vibration of this little guy compares to the ROS65. I *really* like my ROS65 but there are times that I wish it was cordless. I also really prefer the dust "bottle" on the ROS65 over any dust bag ever made. You can just beat the bottle and filter around inside a trashcan and have it clean and ready to go again in a few seconds.
I forgot about the BC430 charger! That was a long time ago too - you'd think they would have figured out a way to make it compliant by now with whatever "green" legislation that killed it. I found a 2016 ToolGuyd comment thread that talks about it. You wouldn't happen to be the "Drew M" there too, would you? toolguyd.com/amazons-bosch-12v-max-bundle-savings-suck-do-this-instead-122016/#comment-983399
@@DoresoomReviews ;^) I don't visit Stuart's site as much as I used to. To some extent, I've outgrown his site as I acquired almost all my big heavy woodworking equipment at surplus and refurbished it.
I think I used to have 2 or 3 BC430s. These days I have a pile of regular M12 chargers and two of the M18/M12 RAPID chargers which I really like.
BTW, have you seen any patents for a M18 Hatchet? The M12 is slow and kind of wimpy.
They covered 18V as well in the original patent, so I doubt we'll see anything else until Milwaukee decides to provide an official press release (if they're working on it at all).
THE VIBRATION AND NOISE IS A NO, NO.
I have one of these- great for small jobs, or out of the shop. Saves coupling up hoses etc, and gives a great finish. Pleased with it, even though it is 50% more in the UK...
Picked up the sander, jigsaw, router, and brushless drills recently. Perfect for smaller projects. Agreed about the charging time looked up a few times expecting it to be done and was surprised. Lowes has a free battery and charger deal going till April so thankfully I have plenty of batteries.
Yeah, that's the same deal I bought mine with! Initially I couldn't decide between Lowe's free battery deal or Amazon's $20 off $100 deal, but finally decided you can't ever have too many batteries!
I got mine at Lowes, link is in the video description. Free 2Ah battery and charger come with it through April 2022!
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Picked one up because of this review. Now my corded Bosch Dual Mode sander has an adorable little brother!
I totally disagree with it vibrating more than the DeWalt. The DeWalt is much worse imo.
ill stick with my corded version.thx.......good review as always
Dust collection is much better with the Bosch vs the DeWalt
Santa brought ..... 😁
I'm having a hard time justifying buying another set of tools in 12v, since I already have them in 20v.
What am I missing?
Size and weight mostly. The 12V Flexiclick is my favorite drill/driver, and the multi attachment head makes drilling in awkward situations so much easier. The small size on that tool is a huge advantage over an 18V version. I wouldn't have this 12V sander as my only sander, or the 12V router as my only router though. But their 12V router is the best I've used for routing edge profiles, and this lightweight sander would cut down on fatigue if you aren't sanding on a horizontal surface. I'd say they aren't a must-have tool, but it sure is a nice option to have.
They do have a rapid charger available now.
Thanks for the heads up, that's great news! Looks like a few retailers have it in stock already, Model # GAL12V-40.
Unfortunately this review leaves out an extremely important thing that I hate about this tool. It only runs on the new Bosch 12v batteries which isn't mentioned anywhere in the description of this tool or even the owners manual. Bosch did insert a loose single page addendum into the box that lists the specific part numbers of the Bosch batteries that will work in it but of course you don't get to see that until you have paid for the tool and find out that many or all of the genuine Bosch batteries you already own won't work in it. I never read that extra page about the batteries that came with the first one I received so I called the Bosch support number and they demanded the serial number of my tool before they would answer any questions or talk to me. When I gave it to them they still refused to answer my questions because I had purchased it from the Bosch Store on Amazon. They told me to talk to Amazon and ended the call. OK, right there every bit of respect I ever had for Bosch went in the toilet. Forty five years in finish carpentry and a owner of many Bosch tools and I'm done buying anything from them. I called Amazon and they were very friendly but know nothing about the tools and gladly offered to replace the sander. While I was waiting for my replacement sander to arrive I ordered two new Bosch 3 ah batteries for it because the only battery I had that would work in that sander would only run it at full speed for less than one minute then the sander would suddenly slow to about 2/3 of the original rpm where it would remain until the battery was depleted. I assumed my old battery was just weak or something and I still didn't know why none of my other genuine Bosch 12v batteries wouldn't even turn it on. My replacement sander and my new 3ah batteries arrived and guess what, the replacement sander does exactly the same thing with both of my new more powerful 3ah batteries. It's a total joke!! The sander only does meaningful work for less than one minute and then the software they build into the tool turns down the speed by a third. At that point you may as well just be hand sanding. If you really want to waste a lot of time sanding some small project this is the sander for you. Shame on Bosch, their tool design team and on their customer nonsupport. Those two new batteries that I was sure would make this a useful tool cost a lot more than the tool itself and they only make the sander run longer AFTER the speed controller has throttled back to near idle speed. Don't expect to be able to buy any of those cheap aftermarket batteries for this either. I have read other reviews that say they will not work at all in this tool so fortunately I didn't waste my money trying that. They have put some very restrictive circuitry in this tool. Now it just sits in my shop unused reminding me of how I got screwed by what used to be one of my favorite tool brands. No longer. I can only assume all of the latest Bosch 12v tools have this same problem.
I haven't had any of the issues you describe. All of my 4+ year old Bosch 12V batteries work fine with this tool.
@@DoresoomReviewsIf the last three numbers of your Bosch battery part number are lower then 414 this sander will reject it. Some of the battery level lights will briefly flash when you first install older batteries but the sander won't turn on. All of my old Bosch 12 v batteries still run all of my other old Bosch 12v tools just fine. You can read customer reviews on Amazon of other people who have the exact same problem with their older Bosch batteries not working in this sander. This is also backed up by the supplemental list of batteries that you can use in this tool that Bosch included in the box with my sanders. As far as the big change in maximum rpm that suddenly occurs within the first minute of use I can't understand how anyone else wouldn't notice that. It runs so slowly after that I always check the speed setting knob thinking I had accidentally changed it but I always find it still set at the highest speed. Once it has entered this slower rpm phase I can get it to run at full speed again but only very briefly if I remove and then reinstall the battery but that only works a couple of times and then it's slow speed from then on until the battery is depleted. This exact same behavior happens with both of my new 3ah batteries and my one older and lower capacity battery that is new enough to work in this tool. I always try to put in a freshly charged battery well before they automatically shut off due to low voltage. If you run any lithium battery down until it's BMS shuts it off over and over again you can drastically reduce the life of that battery. You can download the short list of compatible Bosch battery packs for this sander from the Bosch website. There are only five battery part numbers on that list. Please check it out.
You're right - I do see the list on Bosch's website. That's extremely frustrating if you've got older batteries than those, and Bosch should really have made it more clear about the incompatibility. I'm guessing the older batteries have cells that aren't up to the higher continuous discharge rate that this sander needs. But there's really no way for me to have discovered that in my review, since I only own BAT414 and GBA12V60 batteries, both of which are on the "approved" list.
I haven't had the issue with drop in RPM after just one minute either. It does get a little sluggish during the last minute of runtime for mine but not before then. I'm surprised your GBA12V30 batteries don't work well with it, since those are on Bosch's approved list.
Since your video was uploaded close to a year and a half ago it's possible they changed the electionics since then because there is no mistaking that big rpm drop that happens soon after starting to sand with a freshly charged pack in both of the sanders I've used. My old Bosch 12v batteries have no trouble dealing with very high power usage. I have abused my Bosch 12v impact driver by driving many large screws with it on many occasions untill there is just a single battery level led Illuminatad. Obviously the runtime while doing that is short but even then they barely get warm and when used in a more appropriate way for a tool of this voltage and size those old batteries still last a long time. I still haven't had any of my old Bosch 12v batteries die. I think Bosch just did this so they can say their 12 v sander will run longer than the competition but at the great cost of rpm which 100% kills the amount of work you can do with the sander during that time. I would happily feed this sander fresh batteries more often if it would just run at full speed. .
Are you using the older bulky charger for the bosch or the new tiny/compact charger? The older style bulky charger should do the 2ah in 30 minutes, part of why I only have 2ah and no interest in larger capacity, other part is bosch 12v tools feel great with the 2ah in them. Either way, I think I will end up getting this sander now next time its on sale (have to love bosch's amazon sales!).
I have one of the older chargers. I feel like it takes more than 30 minutes for a 2Ah though. They made a fast charger at one point, but it's been discontinued.
@@DoresoomReviews Yeah I have two of the old bulky ones, I believe they say (or at one point said) fast charge on them. I thought they were all fast charge/30 minute 2ah since thats all I had ever seen. Good to know they dont make them anymore, I will be sure to take care of them. But I do love the tiny new charger just wish they came with screw mount holes like other brands these days. My tiny charger if I remember right takes about a hour.
does milwaukee m12 work with this?
No, M12 batteries aren't compatible. Only Bosch 12V will work.
@@DoresoomReviews have you seen a jadapter?
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10 minute run time is worthless for production..
It wasn't designed for a production environment.
@@DoresoomReviews Well, 10 minutes isn't even long enough for a DIY skateboard refinish, so still worthless in my opinion.