The fatal flaw of the American Gospel w/ Fr.Andrew Stephen Damick
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2023
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In this excerpt with Fr.Andrew Stephen Damick we discuss the difference between how the Gospel was originally understood how this type of sales pitch model of understanding the Gospel in the West has reshaped the course of human history!
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This is the short version of our episode with Fr.ASD so people can easily share with family and friends to understand how the Gospel has always been understood vs this new sales pitch approach to the gospel.
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That's exactly how i was taught as a protestant. To the point where, even as a kid, i thought verses about narrow gates and the people who cried "lord lord" on the day of judgment seemed out of place. If all i have to do is "believe", then its the easiest thing in the world. Well, 30+ years later and i am now a catechumen. Thank you, God for sending me the truth.
How do you know you're on that straight and narrow path in the first place?
@@connorohare229 well, the first thing to do is read your Bible lol. Too many people think that following God is a feeling and that can be dangerous. Commit time to actually communing with God in prayer. It's honestly hard to describe, but when you're stepping off the straight and narrow, you just kind of know when. I constantly stumble on my journey. But I get back up and recommit myself to repentance and trust God to continue working on me.
@user-wz5gc2td9s currently reading Colossians on my journey through the NT. I have a vague idea of what direction God wants me to go, at the same time, every step I take, I pray compulsively to the Lord to save me from my biases, from my rationalisms, from myself in fear and trembling every day. I thank you for your honesty
Please pray for me. I hope to be a catechumen soon.
@@FaithfulComforter will do! Enjoy spitting on the devil 😎
Protestant here - he's not wrong. That's been the general teaching and practice - and it's become a simple believism devoid of holiness.
As an ex-Protestant (Evangelical), this message is exactly something I needed to hear, and I think many others will benefit too. God bless you all ☦️
Thanks my friend! Glory to God! ☦️
I see the difference as whether one should take up arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing end them and seeing there is a sea of troubles and asking God for the spiritual strength to bear up under them, knowing He will in His good time, deal with them. I lived with the former for more than 50 years and all it got me was anger and frustration. I am still healing from that, but since converting to Orthodoxy, every day I get less and less angry because I know I cannot defeat the forces of evil and I know that God can and will.
The discussion of the word εὐαγγέλιον is quite illuminating. Bearing that background in mind does give quite a different emphasis to the proclamation of the apostolic message.
Father Andrew explained the History of the Original Gospel in a great way!!! Praise God
Amen! Thanks for tuning in brother! ☦️
In his book, Eternal Security, Charles Stanley writes, "Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy," Sadly, many Baptists would agree.
Is that BS said in support of OSAS.?
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“Eternal security” is another name for “once saved always saved”, so it’s effectively a definition of OSAS
I love Father Andrew! I read "Arise, Oh God", great little book!
100% heard this in my upbringing in Protestant land. I have sat in meetings with church leaders discussing how can we better market the gospel and reach more (consumers) people for the gospel. The entire approach is a corporate model holding a consumerism mindset. Don't empty yourself instead be comfortable and successful God Blesses. Sadly this is not the gospel and the type of end product is a shallow inoculation of the real gospel.
Just found your channel, and I love the content.
Welcome aboard! Also, thank you!
So good!
I just found your channel today. You have great content.
Thanks! ☦️
"Sorry Calvinist" chyron made me laugh.
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Loved the explanation thank you.
Thanks for tuning in! ☦️
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I never thought of it in that term, thank God literally he's bigger than our petty mortal perceptions of Him. A god that would condemn the mentally handicap for existing in both this life and the next can only be concluded by the flawed theological mis interpretations of men indeed.
Thank you!
Thanks for tuning in! ☦️
Interesting... I think I was 4 when I was explained a very simple gospel, and accepted it :)
Just found the channel 2 days ago 🔥
14:30 Sorry I do love Father Andrew so much but what I see Fr. Jonathon in front of a wall of books, Luther with icons behind him and Father Andrew with a map of Middle Earth behind him.
May I ask what an Orthodox proclaims when preaching the gospel ? At the risk of sounding reductionist, it seems that the Protestant declaration of the gospel is simple: God loves you and wants to deliver you from your sins if you will only repent and become a disciple of Jesus. While the transcational nature was called into question, maybe rightly, it doesn’t seem as clear to me that the Orthodox proclamation is quite as clear. Do Orthodox carry concern over the eternal state of others? If so, how do they offer the hope that is in Jesus verbally when sharing their faith?
Straw men are easily knocked down. How about a cordial face-to-face conversation?
Yes conversations are welcome. Email us at: thetransfiguredlife@gmail.com and we can discuss setting it up.
Orthos always want to attack Protestant strawmans. They think everyone who isn't kissing icons and praying to saints attends Joel Osteens church.
But it’s so much easier to appeal to anecdote and ad hoc reasoning to make the other side look silly!
Like I said if salvation was like a painting the Protestants are using a paint roller and they're very sloppy about it and somehow that supposedly that ambiguity seems to imply their trusting in Christ...
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May I ask where Father Andrew’s definition for “gospel” comes from? He is using a very specific definition. The best New Testament Greek lexicon, BDAG, has three entries for the word, and his is not one of them. Can you share some sources?
still a heaven's distance between His Works which He gave us and the ones tradition came up with...between His times and what time the Church claims it is...
blessed are they that hear and DO His word and not what peer pressure has for us to feel good with...
But how do you understand what happened on the day of Pentecost. Peter preached and 3,000 people received the word and were baptized. Also Cornelius (Acts 10). As Peter preached the Holy Spirit came on Cornelius and he was baptized. Same with the Philippian jailer (Acts 16). Also Paul’s description of the Ephesians believers salvation. They heard, believed, and sealed by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13).
Yes, and?
When we read that the 3000 believed and were added to the church, we shouldn't read our experiences of "evangelism" or evangelistic meetings/services into it. The fact is, these 3000 men were devout Jews. We tend to forget that the Gospels don't demonize the Jewish people. The Gospels say that several Jews were righteous. They had lived their whole lives understanding who God is, loving God, and hoping for the Messiah. Their conversion was wrapped up in coming to the realization of the faith they already had - faith in who the person of Jesus was, their long awaited LORD and Christ as Acts 2 states.
It is similar with Cornelius (and perhaps though not explicit regarding the Philippian jailer) who was "a devout man who feared God with all his household". He quite plainly was not your average pagan, his conversion to Christ was preceded by a long period of devotion to the God of Israel.
Jesus was, in a manner of speaking, the last domino to fall for these guys. They were already anticipating the Messiah/Christ. The Apostles pushed them over the edge and convinced them that he was the man Jesus.
The modern Protestant gospel is like me coming to my wife with a beautiful woman with my arm around her telling my wife I have been having an affair so I thought I should let you know I confessed my sin I plan on keep having the affair but you still have to forgive me My wife would kick me into the curb! I blame the old Augustine doctrine that original sin that we can't change our sinful nature that's false I'm team pledgius all the way!!
Friends, no, this is not spot on, at all. The Protestant gospel is a call to respond by both repenting and believing (Mark 1:15). If you fully intend to keep the affair going, then you’ve botched the analogy.
@@TheTransfiguredLife this is just not right, brother. What’s being described here is the idea of “once saved, always saved, regardless how your life looks after,” and all branches of Christianity should deny this together.
When use strawman arguments and ad hominem, you are more likely to impress people who share your views but will have zero impact on people you are trying to criticize.
@@tjkhan4541 forgive me, this doesn't refer to ALL Protestants. However, I have encountered a few Protestants that have articulated something similar (although not intending to undermine sin).
@@TheTransfiguredLife I appreciate the clarification. Those people or churches are not Protestant or any Christian denomination, because that message is a false gospel. There’s no way to square that teaching with the New Testament.
Pelagianism is heresy if that’s what you were meaning.