Difference between accordion and bandoneon
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2020
- What is the difference between the accordion and bandoneon? UK bandoneon player Julian Rowlands investigates.
I compare the technical elements of the accordion and bandoneon and then play musical examples on both instruments.
If you just want the musical examples, skip to 21'45
Musical examples mostly from the works of Astor Piazzolla including Oblivion, Milonga del Angel, Libertango and Primavera Porteña.
My website: www.bandoneon.co.uk 
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Anyone who does not crave a bandoneon after this presentation needs to checked for signs of life. Superb overview, thank you.
As an accordion player i found this somewhat enlightening. Just on the fly you explain the different accordion layouts and types, as if there was nothing to it. Very well explained and demonstrated, thank you very much!
I've always wondered what a bandoneon ca do but an accordeon cannot. Unfortunately I don't know a bandeonist whom I could ask. Well, now I know. Impressive. Thanks.
I came here wondering what a Bandoneon was. Not only did you answer that question, you answered damn near every question I've ever had about "Baffle/Reed" instruments. Thank you!! By the by, being a recording engineer, I love hearing the mechanical sounds of the baffles and the buttons/keys; in my opinion, that's a major part of the sound!! Great job Sir!
Amazing video! I'm a bandoneon student from Argentina, and I've learnt a LOT about accordions from this video. I had no idea they were such complicated instruments!
Yes complicated ... in a different way to the fueye 😂
Me: Not complicated
Also Me: Too expensive to own
@@julianrowlands CONGRATULACIONES
GRAN EXPLICACION
SI BIEN EL BANDONEON NACE EN EL ESTE DE ALEMANIA. ES 101% MAS POPULAR EN ARGENTINA "SU TIERRA DE ADOPCION"
ACA ES USADO EN DIVERSOS ESTILOS. TANGO, MILONGA. Y EN RITMOS TRADICIONALES DEL NORTE ARGENTINA "SAMBA, CHACARERA, GATITO
HAY 2 TIPOS DE ACORDEONES.
1 ACORDEON CROMATICA O ACORDEON DE TECLAS.
2 ACORDEON DIATONICA O ACORDEON DE BOTONES
The difference between Tango and Chamamé. Are a totally different thing once you get used to listening to both of 'em.
I love that you chose to play oblivion, it's one of the most beautiful pieces ever composed.
GREAT clarification, ty! Been listening to and loving Astor Piazzolla for years without knowing the differences.
Very informative - thank you. I have to say, I prefer the sound of the Bandoneon.
thanks for making this video. I'm from Argentina and I recently started becoming very interested in Bandoneons, I knew nothing about the difference between accordions andd bandoneons up until very recently, I never knew Tango was actually played in bandoneons and not accordions! Sadly they are very expensive over here! Such an interesting and beautiful sounding instrument, I hope one day I get to play around with one! Cheers.
Thank you for this - it is great to understand how Piazzolla sounds so gutsy! Lovely!!!
You did an excellent job explaining how both instruments work. Thank you!
Still planning on doing a part 2 with polyphonic examples? I’m dying to hear more, though I (sadly) only discovered the bandoneon’s existence quite recently. The expressiveness you showed in your demo was truly lovely - I may be hooked based on that expressive range alone. As a (lapsed) brass player, I’m fascinated by the similarities this instrument family shares with traditional “wind” instruments; though not played with one’s own breath, these instruments, that themselves ‘breathe’, feel just as human and raw (especially the bandoneon), while in many ways offering more possibilities, as polyphony in wind instruments is not nearly as common as in stringed or percussive ones, and offer less control over the separate lines. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and skill. What a wonderful instrument
Fascinating. I am trying to learn more about the music of Piazzola, and found that I knew nothing about the complex differences between the accordion and bandoneon. Thank you.
Me too!
Sir that was an unbelievably well presented demonstration. Thank you!!!
Thank you very much!
I just picked up a LOT of antique sheet music (early 1900s), some handwritten. Initially I thought it was piano... but then I started researching and it's for the bandonion (that was the spelling listed) and for a Guitar-Zither. Learned a lot about the bandoneon just by watching your video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Super video! 🎉. I play the classical guitar and my favorite genre is the modern South American stuff. The bandoneon caught my interest at first with its seemingly random button arrangement. I worked in a music store as a technician for a number of years, and frequently we staff members engaged in discussions about each-other’s instruments and their peculiarities. We had players of everything from accordions to xylophones so this excellent video filled a gap for me.😊❤
I subscribed and I look forward to more of your excellent presentations.
Hi Julian - that was marvellous - I've always loved "squeeze boxes" in their curious and magnificent diversity, but I could never quite put my finger on why the Bandoneon was a clear head and shoulders above the rest when it came to tonal nuance and dynamic range - until now!
Thank you :)
The bandoneon seems more "expressive" (for the want of a better description) to my ears. I am no musician but even I had noted the percussive nature of the instrument in the hands of the player(s) on a Japanese pressing of a Roberto Pansera /"La Cumparsita" LP (1972) which I recently got for just AUD5 in excellent condition. The sleeve notes are in Japanese so I have no idea of who plays what. LP Thank you very much!
Thank you, kind and good man.
Excelente explicación y también felicitaciones por los magnificos instrumentos que has mostrado.
Great video. I like how you have actual samples of the many different instruments to show and to compare them right on spot, instead of only mentioning or showing pictures like other people.
1000 thanks great video Super performance
thank you, very interesting and impressing performance - what a skilled person!
Thank for your gift, this video! One of the best videos I' ve ever seen by youtube. ❤
One of the BEST lessons ever! Thanks so much!
Wonderfully explained!
I'm a bandoneon player, never really had a chance to play accordion except once, but I found the sound of the accordion to be "happier" of sorts. It has more features , bells and whistles but somehow the bandoneon still convinces me more, especially when one wants to play those melancholic sounds. Would you agree with these statements?
Yes I am a bandoneon player who also plays accordion, rather than the other way round ... I gravitated to the bandoneon from other instruments because I was captivated by its expressive world and by its potential in the hands of the great players. It is the preferable instrument for the repertoire it is associated with, just as the accordion also has its own wonderful repertoire and genres. There is some cross-over, but vive la différence.
amazing insight! thank you very much. would love to try playing the bandoneon one day. I would love to see more of the bandoneon from you. techniques and so on.
Hilarious comment about the kid with a harmonica. I once gave a class of first graders a new harmonica each. They weren’t allowed to blow until everyone had there’s ready. What a fun cacophony!
Есть существенная разница в строении резонаторов, поэтому в бандонеоне возникает внутренняя перкуссия в резонаторе на основе стоячей волны, в аккордеоне нет такого эффекта, там звук нарастает плавно. Я изменял конструкцию немецких кнопочных аккордеонов и он звучал уже мало похоже на аккордеон, а близко к тембру бандонеона. Но нужно брать аккордеон двухголосый без переключателей тембров, чтобы он был лёгким, чтобы можно было работать мехом как на бандонеоне. Мне это было интересно, потому что я физик по образованию и играю на кнопочных аккордеонах.
julian rowlands There's the Chemnitzer Concertina which is a Grand Concertina w/ switches & different banks of reed so that it sounds like a True Accordion, plus it's easier to play than you think because all the Buttons are marked w/ a Number or Symbol. 5:20 The Bandoneon is basically another type of Concertina & that means you can literally play alot of simple songs.
6:26 Now it's starting to make Sense on the Bandoneon cause it's really a Tango Concertina. The 130 Key Chemnitzer Concertina is like that too. Bandoneons usually have Numbered Buttons to facilitate playing & you can even use it for Polka Music.
Have you ever played or heard of diatonic accordion? I am from Mexico, living in US and we use that instrument A LOT, the accordion is the melody of our music. I don’t know, if you feel interested of hear the sound and probably check the technique I recommend you to hear El Cerro de La Silla Chotis, Huapango El Texanito, Polka Triple X, you won’t probably like the style of music because is not near to conservatory music but is our traditional music. I hope you found it as interesting as I found you playing the bandoneon.
I love diatonic accordion in Mexican and Texican music, thank you for those listening suggestions!
Is that what Flaco Jimenez plays?
Thanks for the vid I've learned a lot 👍
Great video sir! Interesting instruments .... 🙂
I love Oblivion that is his Piazzolas best ever composed piece.. Well done sir you have great musical taste. Amazing video tutorial
I agree
@Liane Hussian I don't have instagram I don't promote it either
The Buttons on a Chromatic Button Accordion are Black & White like the Piano Keys to make playing easier.
He should have covered the different note configuration from left hand and right hand
Showing a score of left hand notes compared to right hand notes would be revealing
The bandoneon is more like a piano layout
The accordion is usually a stradella layout
So helpful to me, thank you!
Thanks for the great video!
Some polyphonic music examples would really rock in the 2nd video of this.
❤ an incredible good explanation ❤
Great video thank you
By the way there are accorrdions that mount their reeds on a zinc plate. Theyre called Bayons
Pigini offeres bayons
Showing an accordion wooden reed block would help
Also he should talk about diatonic and Bisonic types
I'm currently learning your piano arrangement of El choclo from your Argentinian Tango and Folk Tunes book, and it is nice to find you on RUclips! I've been wondering how I should approach the phrasing and articulation of the habanera base of the piece. A couple of ideas that have occurred to me are to inform my interpretation by tango dance movements, or by the sound characteristics of squeezebox instruments often used in this genre. I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on this, and I would be grateful for any tips! :)
Very pleased that you're playing that arrangement, I had a lot of fun writing it. I'm also glad that you are thinking about the habanera-type rhythm and how it might be different in tango than in habanera, or for that matter in milonga. This very early tango El Choclo (1903) was actually written with that rhythm in mind, whereas later tangos, for instance the equally famous La Cumparsita, were conceived around the march-type rhythm that replaced it in Argentinian tango. Firstly we can look at the way the melody of El Choclo interacts with beats of the habanera rhythm. Clearly a lot of the melody notes coincide precisely with the habanera accompaniment, and work in a different way to, for example, the famous Carmen Habanera, where the offbeat note of the habanera is a feature of the vocal part and can be delayed to accentuate the rhythm - that doesn't work in guardia vieja tango on the whole. The other key way of deepening ones interpretative knowledge of tango argentino is to listen to historic recordings. There is an early recording of El Choclo by the Orquesta of Eduardo Arolas, which plays in a very traditional way with the habanera (although Arolas is celebrated for the radical innovations he made to tango in his tragically short life). There are some other early recordings on an album "Homenaje A La Guardia Vieja Del Tango 1907 - 1909". Then there is a 1959 recording by the Francisco Canaro quintet where it starts off with the later tango rhythm, but then brings in the habanera towards the end and makes a feature of it - a sort of nostalgic twist at the end of the arrangement.
Other recordings that I love are Tita Merello, a vocal version with a lot of flair; the Piazzolla recording with Maria de la Fuente which starts with mad fast bandoneon; the Florindo Sassone which is wonderfully spacious, and Gerardo Gandini on "Postangos en vivo" which is total avant garde, showing the huge breadth of the tango traditioni in the interpretation of its canonic classics.
@@julianrowlands Thank you for such an extensive and valuable reply! I will take my time to digest it and follow the references, definitely to the benefit of my understanding of this piece (and genre).
@@ukaszk.8305 feel free to drop me an email if you have any other questions
Who built this Accordion?
The piano accordion is a Giuliette
Excelente video!!..thanks!!💪💪💪💪♥️♥️♥️♥️👍👍👍
Very nice documentary.
Excellent video!
Julian, I admire the love you have with this instruments and how you teach us about history, mechanichs, technical abbilities, sound and details of both!
I'm from Argentina. I've been a drummer since more of 20 years and recently I've started to study piano at my university.
Like a good Piazzolla's fan, I'm glad to hear his music played in every place in the world. And about this, the percusive way of play the bandoneon: Do you think that in fact Piazzolla've used that resource but distributed in the orchestra?
Thank's for this!
Hi, thank you very much for your comments. I think that Piazzolla used the electric guitar to put a lot of the weight into the ensemble that was previously done by the bandoneon section. I wasn't really aware of this till I started playing more quintet music recently. On the recordings guitar is always a subtle presence but it's doing a significant job.
@@julianrowlands Thank you very much!
5:59 The Bandoneon is really a bigger version of the Anglo Concertina
There's also the Jedcertina which is a Concertina that Pianists can play.
The Cheminster Concertina is basically an Elaborate Bandoneon that you can play Standing up.
This is an awesome video. Thanks for taking the time to explain the differences. Can you find bandoneons in the US? I would love to own the same type as the types that Piazzolla played, I also wonder how much they cost 😂 if you could help a complete newbie to this that would be great
22:11 If we A/B the Accordion to the the Bandoneon (Oboe Switch to the Right Hand Keyboard & Bandoneon Switch to the Left Hand Keyboard) we can tell right away the Accordion has a little bit of a Deeper sound
Hi, I am a tango dancer and I would love to hear you explore the band and they own more by playing pugliese and really showing the hits! Thanks!
Scandalli makes 152 Note Bandoneons which have 5 more Buttons, their lowest note is a B so they have a full 5 Octave range from B to B. There's also the Scandalli 148 Unisinoric Chromatic Bandoneon.
Two german manufacturers make extended range tango instruments - Uwe Hartenhauer and Bandoneonfabrik Klingenthal. One of my instruments is a 158 voice Hartenhauer. The extended upper range in the left hand is particularly useful for baroque music and other stuff not originally written for bandoneon. Historically there were some much larger range instruments made for specific players, but not generally available.
@@julianrowlands What does tat 158 Tone Bandoneon look like? I also read they made 178 Note models & also a 198 version.
@@RockStarOscarStern634 The 158 is here:www.bandoneon-hartenhauer.de/bandoneons/bandoneonuhmayo1.html
Some Bandoneons have really tiny reeds that play up to a B7 which are literally stamped.
Well, I learned something the moment I clicked. How the heck to pronounce it. I always said it like bando-neon. As in Bando from My Side Of The Mountain and neon like a neon sign.
One of the Classic Rock Songs I can play on the Bandoneon is Outside the Wall by Pink Floyd.
Merci beaucoup l'Ami
The tone of the bandoneon is richer
julian rowlands Fun fact the Bandoneon was originally used for Polkas:ruclips.net/video/QMaA7yO2MbM/видео.html which explains why the layout of the Keys is at random, so players could accompany other instruments. A company named Cooperfisa just built a new instrument the Bandoneon-Accordion:ruclips.net/video/WnWqXVeqlGc/видео.html
Wow. First off, a great lesson, so thank you. I knew nothing about bandoneons and almost nothing about accordions. But, a question: how the heck do you switch back and forth between those two, and the Russian one as well, since all have different "keyboards"!? I could NEVER make those switches! You are amazing.
Ha yes I should probably stick to one, but the trouble is I like playing them all :) Bandoneon is definitely the weirdest and takes longest to learn though.
It seems to me once you master bandoneon, the accordions are of almost no challenge.
Thank you. That was illuminating. Does the European version made for chromatic accordion players sound the same. I’m guessing it is the same note in out, and that in itself would affect the phrasing. Or is it just as good?
The chromatic bandoneon (Peguri system and others) sounds pretty similar to the tango. As a tango player I can hear differences but they are very subtle - some notes have a different resonance because the reed is in a different location in the instrument; it can sound smoother.
Oblivion ❤️
The Switches are basically your Stops like on a Pipe Organ.
Grazie per il video interessantissimo, ma vorrei sapere ancora quali difficoltà differenti presentano questi due strumenti e di conseguenza qual'è la maggiore soddisfazione nel suonarli.
Ed ancora, se lei ha una preferenza tra i due.
Grazie
I think the different difficulties really depend on what music you are playing, and I have a video coming soon about this! Bandoneon is my first instrument (actually my 4th, as I learnt piano, violin and viola first, but now it is my main one). So I suppose I prefer bandoneon, but when I am playing another instrument that becomes my favourite!
Could you tell me the first song you played on the bandoneon in this video?
Thank you
What I play at 56 seconds is just a bit of impro
Sir what about bandoneon and chemnitzer concertina. How different are they from each other?
Chemnitzers are technically very similar to bandoneons. In fact Uhlig's Chemnitz concertina came first and Heinrich Band's bandoneon developed from that. The basis of the keyboard systems are the same, but the layouts are different. Chemnitzers often have more reeds than the two per note in a tango bandoneon, so a thicker sound.
0:55 Which song is this?
It's a great video with too much attention to the accordion.
Great video! Is there not also a difference in the reeds themselves? Or is it just the fact that all the reeds are mounted on one plate that makes for the difference in timbre?
The preferred material for the reed plates in bandoneons is zinc; aluminium isn't considered to work so well. Also the reed plates are pinned into the frames whereas on an accordion they are stuck on with wax. These are two differences I am aware of.
Also bandoneon reeds are rivetted onto the plates; I think accordions sometimes use rivets and sometimes screws.
Another important difference is, that the outline of the reeds in the Bandoneon is parallel, whereas in the Accordion they usually have a conical shape.
Cheers.
where can I buy a new Bandoneon? any particular website or online shop suggested?
It's best to to contact the manufacturers: in Europe, Uwe Hartenhauer, Bandoneonfabrik Klingenthal and Harry Geuns all produce quality instruments with traditional construction and sound. In Argentina there is Oscar Fischer and Baltazar Estol. This isn't an exhaustive list but I have either played instruments by these makers or they have been recommended to me by colleagues. Some bandoneons made by accordion manufacturers use accordion reeds and other innovations which means that they don't have such a traditional sound.
Note that lead times might vary quite a bit between makers. Also the European manufacturers make instruments with a variety of keyboard systems - Tango (Rheinisch), Einheitsbandonion or chromatic (Peguri).
thanks for the great explanation!
@@edwardyyy530 I've updated the links page on my website with links to these manufacturers www.bandoneon.co.uk/links
Can anyone recommend a reputable place to purchase a bandoneon?
This is a very good question - in fact I've been meaning to do a video about buying bandoneons. If you want to get an old one, my recommendation would be to buy from a player as the instrument is more likely to be maintained in playing condition. New instruments can be bought direct from the manufacturer - in Europe, Hartenhauer, Geuns, Bandoneonfabrik, and in Argentina, Fischer and Estol among others. I've put some links here www.bandoneon.co.uk/links
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That's it? No more uploads?
Julian Rowlands, who are your favourite bandoneon players?
is there such a thing as a bandoneon (or accordion for that matter) for dummies? I mean, as the tonette is to the flute or clarinet, what is the equivalent for the Bandoneon/accordion?
Not really. In a way the simpler instruments with less notes are harder to play, because they use diatonic system which is illogical except for the simplest music. The chromatic bandoneon is supposedly easier to play the the tango one, i.e. a "logical" keyboard system. There are some very straightforward layout instruments that are bandoneon shaped, such as 3 row chromatics, but the sound and technique isn't the same as the normal bandoneon.
@@julianrowlands well, in any case they are no instruments, either of them, for an old dog like me to take up now, but when I was a little kid back in the fifties, under the influence of a TV personality, Myron Florin, a virtuoso accordionist, a rented accordion became the first instrument I tried to learn. Didn't succeed and only found my true love when Bod Dylan came along with his guitar, which guitar I learned to play and have played, badly, I admit, from then til now.
Both of these instruments are true works of God, as mysterious as the starry skies above, as mysterious as life itself! Behold we are in the presence of wonder! Thank you dear friend for telling us about them.
5:20 The Bandoneon isn't an Accordion, it's actually a Tango Concertina up to 178 Tones or even so 198. That's a little Red Anglo Concertina we're starting with.
where i can buy a bandoneon
This is a very good question - it's a bit complicated so if you bear with me I'll put a post up on my website
I've posted a piece on buying bandoneons here: www.bandoneon.co.uk/buying-a-bandoneon
The bandoneon is more like a concertina than an accordion, in fact.
some notes on the accordion are quite out of tune! the tremolo caused between the L and M reeds can be listened in Oblivion :(
Occupational hazzard I'm afraid.
Giullieti The best
You forgot to mention that some bandoneons are MONO-sonoric, without any of that having to learn 2 different sets of fingerings for each pull or push. One key- one sound, isn't it the most logical thing to have?
I thought I'd mentioned that ;) anyway yes logical maybe. Quicker to learn, but easier to play? There's the conundrum. As I said, my exposition was all about the bandoneon used in tango, because that is the archetypal use of the instrument, and that is the bisonoric one. There are some very fine musicians playing tango on monosonoric, particularly in France, but the music was created for the bisonoric.
lost it at 6:12
Play piano accordion is very easy than play bandoneon
It's the craziest bellows instrument for sure. Heavy as boulder and no possibilities to hang it on straps makes it very uncomfortable to play in addition to no defined button structure. Expansion and contraction of bellows produce different notes... I often see bandoneon players working one way only on expansion and than contract bellows with just valve to begin next sentence with expansion making it easier to play perhaps. On the money, extremely expensive to purchase and I really wonder why so? Getting straight either to piano or to button chromatic accordion is the right way, because most of accordions can sound significantly better than bandoneon.
Accordion only sounds better if you want accordion sound! If you want bandoneon sound you have to play that. It's impossible to play many of the things in tango argentino on accordion - it simply doesn't make all the sounds. Also, a top make accordion can cost £20-25000 - far more than the most expensive bandoneon. I prefer to play bandoneon - more comfortable and I love the expressive possibilities that exist on no other instrument. But I also love accordions and concertinas.
@@julianrowlands Very versatile and known accordion Weltmeister Stella is just under $1000 and sounds fantastic. I agree that best sound is done by best musician.
I would never trade the sound of my bandoneon for the accordion. Then again, I'm someone who prefers darker, sadder sounds as opposed to the festive , inviting and happy sounds of the accordion. The marcatto and drags that bandoneon makes are practically impossible to do with an accordion, let alone play those loooong sad notes with the same level of expression spectrums
I hate to say this, because you have received all these 'likes' and obviously have all the knowledge, however, your examples of the buttons plan or 'map' go far too fast for the eye to catch what/where you are playing, and for starters I would recommend showing a diagram. After watching the complete video, I am left with a very superficial understanding of this instrument.
My focus was more on the sound and playing techniques, however I take your point, maybe a separate video comparing keyboard systems would be of interest. The general subject of diatonic versus "rational" systems is interesting.
The chromatic scale on bandoneon horrified me.
sorry 😅
Too mumbled - and the closed captions do not follow accurately either.
Mumbled? Welcome to UK English!
I like the Bandoneon a little better, because of it's expressiveness. But, I'm also biased, because Heinrich Band was from my city. 🪗
grande Juliano!!!