36:01 you see a red dot in the center of the screen. *IT IS NOT THE ACTUAL RED DOT* . The actual nuke is about a full screen down south. This red dot you see is a visual bug. Hopefully only present in the replay. The actual red dot is there at 36:03 a little bit to the bottom right left of the screen near the center after Solar scrolled the camera down a bit but before jumping the camera away, underneath the inner circle of the scan. The scan animation which would be red in default player color setting from Solar's view. -Brought to you by WinterSC's video analysis.
I mean, I'm not making fun of him, of course, but shit happens and if you're a pro, and you play lots of games, you´ll end up facing every possible scenario. I've benn cheesed, nuked, nydused, carriered... i've lost to every possible unit, once even lost to a single zealot... The only difference is that solar is famous (and is a good player, which i'm not)
@@txopin mm bit more of a difference Solar trains for 8+ hours a day, has devoted his life to starcraft, and loses on the biggest stage to a nuke that any pro including him would deal with fine 99 times out of 100.
Its nice that you released this today when just at about the same time Solar was having possibly his greatest moment. Always glad to see his matches, even if its hoping for a nuke disaster sometime :D
Regarding your commentary: it's honest. You als explain ideas behind what we see. This is why I like watching you. I will never forget the moment when you paused the replay and declared: "Guys, this is 3am StarCraft, otherwise you would never do something like this." The explanation was fabulous and based off the comments it seemed like it was even true!
A tournament wanting unique maps for prestige but not doing their due diligence by properly testing the map and then not taking responsibility for their mistake. Because let's be honest the problem wasn't the exploit, the problem was GSL not admitting they made a mistake, fixing it and giving Solar a rematch.
@@mikkosaarinen3225 oh absolutely, i can't really be mad about either players. This is 100% on the tournament organisers but... like it's GSL. One of the biggest names out there. That's where my "how does that even happenp" comes from.
@@legoupil1819 Its simply that nobody checked for that. And if you blame GSL, then you also need to partially blame TLMC where these maps are taken from.
loved seeing the clips for reference and context... i didnt see the other things happen and was not about to go search for them, so it was cool to see what you were referring to
Well, Solar not only won GSL Super Tournamenet yesterday, but with incoming patch Broodlords will have increased movement speed so he will be able to evade nukes :)
I really liked the start with you laying out the context. I really like your casts in general so the full cast works for me. But I can see a more brief overcap of the new game working as well. As long as you provide the context in game. I'd love to see more of the kind of analytical content you did in the start. For example analysis of development of rivalries, specific players playstyle changing over time and stuff like that. I may be biased in this being a finn 😁 but I think I'd enjoy watching you go through for example Serrals career, the events leading to his dominance, the 2018 victory streak and then what changed (besides regression to mean) to end his reign. Serral being just an obvious example, I'm sure you can figure out a bunch of other stories worth telling from the history of SC2. In essence I'd love to see you do video essay/"commentary" style content covering SC2 or even gaming in general. You have the analytical ability to pull it off and I'm pretty sure there would be an audience for that kind of thing, not to mention youtube loves that stuff currently 😁
Whole match good =) ...Especially with the pre-story at the front to show the significance. Those of us who aren't die-hard fans really don't get the significance of the backstory of things when it's shared in 20 sec of quick flash-back references. The start of this video really gives us a chance to come along for the ride =D
The pylon block was Parting at his best, figuring and studying outside the box strats to find a way to win. Parting deserved the win and Solar was the unfortunate person to be playing him at the time.
Parting absolutely deserved the win, sure. It was unconventional thinking and it's amazing. But the map creators fucked up and only Solar suffered because of it. The map shouldn't have been changed for the entire tournament. The other players playing on that map against Protoss should've had to play against it too. The fact that only Solar was allowed to experience that bullshit is why it's bad luck. This is the equivalent of changing rules in a soccer match during a tournament and not expecting the team that lost because someone exploited a loophole in the game to be upset about it. If you want to be fair and balanced, the rules should've been changed AFTER the tournament was over, not during.
The maps are not supposed to be like that, he did not deserve the win. That is like in an FPS where you find single sided geometry to hide behind, where you can shoot out of, but not be shot at.
Hey I was thinking, you've done stuff like make pros fight with speed mods and things like that, what I'd love to see is seeing pro fights using some of the campaign units, not sure how that'd work if there are mods for that or what, and obviously it'd be imabalanced as hell but damn I'd love to see some of those teleporting swarm host or things like that played in an actual game
Yeah Id love to see some games with campaign units. Maybe a huge game on big game hunters but not the one with unlimited supply, that even lags on my 10 core cpu with rtx 4090.
I think the backstory at the beginning was awesome; I'd seen the previous 2 times Solar had been nuked; but the refresher made the story tighter. Like to see you continuing on this vein; but then again; I like your casts; so I'm probably a little biased.
I like this kind of format. It is your strength to enrich your casting with starcraft insights, context and anecdotes as well as explaining the styles and thought processes of the players. I would not mind getting the bigger picture in this kind of video instead of just focusing on the highlights.
If you watch from Solar's POV, not only is the Ghost semi-hidden by the terrain, but the red dot also got partially obscured by the subsequent scan (and the clusterfuck of red units and buildings all around). There could also be another issues at play here, and the fact that he wears eyeglasses may be a hint (the following is 100% speculation on my part, of course, and it can certainly be just a product of my autistic ass overanalyzing things, as always). You have been warned: 1. Could it be that he had always had some type of very mild congenital colour blindness and hasn't realized it yet? Like Anomalous Trichromacy, for example. As these conditions can (sometimes) progress with age, we may be seeing the first warnings signs. 2. "Computer eyeglasses" have become very popular lately, as it is believed that their anti-glare coating and blue light filtering lenses can mitigate the eye strain and fatigue caused by staring at a screen for too long*, and their features can also be incorporated into the lenses of prescription eyeglasses. Depending on the method of filtering, these lenses can have little to no tinting, making them indistinguishable from normal ones. As they interfere with normal light absorption by the eye's retina, they can certainly shift our perception of colours. There's also evidence linking them to decreased sensitivity to colour contrast. I don't know if there are rules about this, but he should definitively consider testing a Red-contrasting colour scheme (like Green or Teal), just to be sure. *It is worth nothing that there is no conclusive scientific evidence backing these claims. They seem to have been popularized by aggressive marketing campaigns done by interested parties, as there is no scientific consensus on the matter yet. 3. It is just a fucking meme, lmao. Sources: 1. Deeb, Samir S et al. (2006, May). Genetics of variation in human color vision and the retinal cone mosaic. Current Opinion in Genetics & Development. Elsevier Current Trends. 2. Alzahran HS et al. (2021, March). Effect of blue-blocking lenses on colour contrast sensitivity. Clinical & Experimental Optometry. U.S. National Library of Medicine.
Honestly as someone with pretty bad vision the nuke dot is almost invisible to me. Like, sometimes even if I know it's there (paused on a video and everything) I simply cannot see it. When terrans are doing things like scanning to make it harder to see I feel there is an argument to be made that there should either be a better indicator or none at all.
Yup, i'm really bad at the game but on a small monitor with my absolute dogshit eyes, nuking me is practically free. I don't think SC2 should be about eyesight but, well, then you also have widow mines and the cloak shimmer and i know it kinda is. (I do know it is a very minor part of the game, but it is not negligable. Spotting these things will make ypu better and have a better experience)
@@legoupil1819 True, but like, invisible unit are meant to be missed as like, the baseline, nuke warn you about them and the punishment for missing them is obviously huge, so I feel like they are meant to be spotted. Well I do have the same problem with the shimmer but it feels less cheap. And iit's more like spotting one makes you cool rather than not being able to spot it might instantly lose you the game
i love that moment, when he loses 16 broodlords and 4 vipers, literally everything that is on the highest tier. BTW, on the second map he should pause the game and refuse to play
Is solar aware that the symbol disappears even if the ghost is still alive ? LOL It seems like he is seeing the warning then going after the ghosts but doesnt realize even if he kills the ghost it's too late.
We can watch in real time when his soul leaves his body 🤣👌. It should happen more often to zerg .. anyway gratz on solar winning the GsL súper tournament..! Maybe the nuke was a "good luck" nuke?
Pig literally went through this in the beginning. In essence we like to think that our success or failure is in our complete control but in reality factors outside our control play a big role.
Not mentioned in this video, but Maru is known to always pick Solar in group selections in GSL. Maru getting knocked out early finally gave Solar a chance to get further in a tourney, then goes on to win it 💪
So what can we say? He was unlucky the map was broken once and ran into a nuke twice.... we really can't be talking about luck here. also almost winning is not about luck. yea maybe if your opponent just so happens to come out with 2 or 3 units left, but not geing able to break someone and then losing... yea tha's just called being not good enaugh....
Pig literally went through this in the beginning. In essence we like to think that our success or failure is in our complete control but in reality factors outside our control play a big role.
I think solar should submit these replays to harstems IODIS
36:01 you see a red dot in the center of the screen.
*IT IS NOT THE ACTUAL RED DOT* . The actual nuke is about a full screen down south. This red dot you see is a visual bug. Hopefully only present in the replay.
The actual red dot is there at 36:03 a little bit to the bottom right left of the screen near the center after Solar scrolled the camera down a bit but before jumping the camera away, underneath the inner circle of the scan.
The scan animation which would be red in default player color setting from Solar's view.
-Brought to you by WinterSC's video analysis.
True, such BS should not happen when so much can be at stake for a single near invisible red dot.
When ever a nuke happens I always just move my army before checking my bases.
Was that scan used to intentionally hide the dot?
*Terran sees Solar: Eheheheheh... Deploying Ghosts, lol
I mean, I'm not making fun of him, of course, but shit happens and if you're a pro, and you play lots of games, you´ll end up facing every possible scenario. I've benn cheesed, nuked, nydused, carriered... i've lost to every possible unit, once even lost to a single zealot... The only difference is that solar is famous (and is a good player, which i'm not)
@@txopin mm bit more of a difference Solar trains for 8+ hours a day, has devoted his life to starcraft, and loses on the biggest stage to a nuke that any pro including him would deal with fine 99 times out of 100.
Rumor has it the Ghost and Broodlord changes in the patch notes are to help Solar.
Oh, poor Solar. He deserves All the hugs!
Its nice that you released this today when just at about the same time Solar was having possibly his greatest moment. Always glad to see his matches, even if its hoping for a nuke disaster sometime :D
Regarding your commentary: it's honest. You als explain ideas behind what we see. This is why I like watching you. I will never forget the moment when you paused the replay and declared: "Guys, this is 3am StarCraft, otherwise you would never do something like this." The explanation was fabulous and based off the comments it seemed like it was even true!
That single pylon walloff is insane BS. Like... how does that even happen?
A tournament wanting unique maps for prestige but not doing their due diligence by properly testing the map and then not taking responsibility for their mistake. Because let's be honest the problem wasn't the exploit, the problem was GSL not admitting they made a mistake, fixing it and giving Solar a rematch.
@@mikkosaarinen3225 oh absolutely, i can't really be mad about either players. This is 100% on the tournament organisers but... like it's GSL. One of the biggest names out there. That's where my "how does that even happenp" comes from.
@@legoupil1819 Its simply that nobody checked for that. And if you blame GSL, then you also need to partially blame TLMC where these maps are taken from.
I enjoyed this format - I liked seeing how the game progressed and the result of the big moment.
Great content as always PiG
loved seeing the clips for reference and context... i didnt see the other things happen and was not about to go search for them, so it was cool to see what you were referring to
Well, Solar not only won GSL Super Tournamenet yesterday, but with incoming patch Broodlords will have increased movement speed so he will be able to evade nukes :)
Dude, your enthusiastic style of commentary is awesome. Of course the sc2 jimmys are going to get excited when a massive, game changing nuke lands.
I really liked the start with you laying out the context. I really like your casts in general so the full cast works for me. But I can see a more brief overcap of the new game working as well. As long as you provide the context in game. I'd love to see more of the kind of analytical content you did in the start. For example analysis of development of rivalries, specific players playstyle changing over time and stuff like that. I may be biased in this being a finn 😁 but I think I'd enjoy watching you go through for example Serrals career, the events leading to his dominance, the 2018 victory streak and then what changed (besides regression to mean) to end his reign. Serral being just an obvious example, I'm sure you can figure out a bunch of other stories worth telling from the history of SC2.
In essence I'd love to see you do video essay/"commentary" style content covering SC2 or even gaming in general. You have the analytical ability to pull it off and I'm pretty sure there would be an audience for that kind of thing, not to mention youtube loves that stuff currently 😁
Whole match good =) ...Especially with the pre-story at the front to show the significance. Those of us who aren't die-hard fans really don't get the significance of the backstory of things when it's shared in 20 sec of quick flash-back references. The start of this video really gives us a chance to come along for the ride =D
The pylon block was Parting at his best, figuring and studying outside the box strats to find a way to win. Parting deserved the win and Solar was the unfortunate person to be playing him at the time.
Parting absolutely deserved the win, sure. It was unconventional thinking and it's amazing.
But the map creators fucked up and only Solar suffered because of it. The map shouldn't have been changed for the entire tournament. The other players playing on that map against Protoss should've had to play against it too. The fact that only Solar was allowed to experience that bullshit is why it's bad luck.
This is the equivalent of changing rules in a soccer match during a tournament and not expecting the team that lost because someone exploited a loophole in the game to be upset about it. If you want to be fair and balanced, the rules should've been changed AFTER the tournament was over, not during.
The maps are not supposed to be like that, he did not deserve the win.
That is like in an FPS where you find single sided geometry to hide behind, where you can shoot out of, but not be shot at.
Hey I was thinking, you've done stuff like make pros fight with speed mods and things like that, what I'd love to see is seeing pro fights using some of the campaign units, not sure how that'd work if there are mods for that or what, and obviously it'd be imabalanced as hell but damn I'd love to see some of those teleporting swarm host or things like that played in an actual game
Yeah Id love to see some games with campaign units. Maybe a huge game on big game hunters but not the one with unlimited supply, that even lags on my 10 core cpu with rtx 4090.
I think the backstory at the beginning was awesome; I'd seen the previous 2 times Solar had been nuked; but the refresher made the story tighter. Like to see you continuing on this vein; but then again; I like your casts; so I'm probably a little biased.
I like this kind of format. It is your strength to enrich your casting with starcraft insights, context and anecdotes as well as explaining the styles and thought processes of the players. I would not mind getting the bigger picture in this kind of video instead of just focusing on the highlights.
If you watch from Solar's POV, not only is the Ghost semi-hidden by the terrain, but the red dot also got partially obscured by the subsequent scan (and the clusterfuck of red units and buildings all around).
There could also be another issues at play here, and the fact that he wears eyeglasses may be a hint (the following is 100% speculation on my part, of course, and it can certainly be just a product of my autistic ass overanalyzing things, as always). You have been warned:
1. Could it be that he had always had some type of very mild congenital colour blindness and hasn't realized it yet? Like Anomalous Trichromacy, for example. As these conditions can (sometimes) progress with age, we may be seeing the first warnings signs.
2. "Computer eyeglasses" have become very popular lately, as it is believed that their anti-glare coating and blue light filtering lenses can mitigate the eye strain and fatigue caused by staring at a screen for too long*, and their features can also be incorporated into the lenses of prescription eyeglasses. Depending on the method of filtering, these lenses can have little to no tinting, making them indistinguishable from normal ones.
As they interfere with normal light absorption by the eye's retina, they can certainly shift our perception of colours. There's also evidence linking them to decreased sensitivity to colour contrast.
I don't know if there are rules about this, but he should definitively consider testing a Red-contrasting colour scheme (like Green or Teal), just to be sure.
*It is worth nothing that there is no conclusive scientific evidence backing these claims. They seem to have been popularized by aggressive marketing campaigns done by interested parties, as there is no scientific consensus on the matter yet.
3. It is just a fucking meme, lmao.
Sources:
1. Deeb, Samir S et al. (2006, May). Genetics of variation in human color vision and the retinal cone mosaic. Current Opinion in Genetics & Development. Elsevier Current Trends.
2. Alzahran HS et al. (2021, March). Effect of blue-blocking lenses on colour contrast sensitivity. Clinical & Experimental Optometry. U.S. National Library of Medicine.
Ah, a man after my own heart, citing his RUclips comment hypotheses :)
Honestly as someone with pretty bad vision the nuke dot is almost invisible to me. Like, sometimes even if I know it's there (paused on a video and everything) I simply cannot see it.
When terrans are doing things like scanning to make it harder to see I feel there is an argument to be made that there should either be a better indicator or none at all.
Yup, i'm really bad at the game but on a small monitor with my absolute dogshit eyes, nuking me is practically free. I don't think SC2 should be about eyesight but, well, then you also have widow mines and the cloak shimmer and i know it kinda is.
(I do know it is a very minor part of the game, but it is not negligable. Spotting these things will make ypu better and have a better experience)
@@legoupil1819 True, but like, invisible unit are meant to be missed as like, the baseline, nuke warn you about them and the punishment for missing them is obviously huge, so I feel like they are meant to be spotted.
Well I do have the same problem with the shimmer but it feels less cheap. And iit's more like spotting one makes you cool rather than not being able to spot it might instantly lose you the game
The whole content is better. I think to see how unlucky the moment was it's worth seeing how much the game was in favour of Solar.
Loved the intro for context!
i liked this style of video! seeing the whole picture was nice
i love that moment, when he loses 16 broodlords and 4 vipers, literally everything that is on the highest tier.
BTW, on the second map he should pause the game and refuse to play
im new to SC 2 but this is fun to watch and i feel like i learn a little bit
WHOLE CONTEXT. WHOLE CONTEXT. YESSSSS
This was a good video format
It is now illegal to disrespect the current king of GSL
Oliviera is that like fun wordplay on aloe Vera?
This is equal parts hilarious and heartbreaking. He is one of if not the only Zerg player I ever root for. Poor guy.. lmao
I vote: Whole context.
Trust your instinct Pig.
Dont let artosis hear you say solar is the most unlucky player.
It makes no sense for Solar to set own unit color to red in his 1st person view. Isn't the default blue for own, red for opponent?
Is solar aware that the symbol disappears even if the ghost is still alive ? LOL It seems like he is seeing the warning then going after the ghosts but doesnt realize even if he kills the ghost it's too late.
I feel bad for solar, give him a break already
So good to see those nukes hitting... this should happen to more zergs... but it doesn't and they still win every tournament.
We can watch in real time when his soul leaves his body 🤣👌. It should happen more often to zerg .. anyway gratz on solar winning the GsL súper tournament..!
Maybe the nuke was a "good luck" nuke?
Unluckiest zerg finally earns his trophy tho ;)
#Solar should change his name to #Nuclear
that face hahaha
what does this have to do with luck ? Maybe he should just play more careful
Pig literally went through this in the beginning. In essence we like to think that our success or failure is in our complete control but in reality factors outside our control play a big role.
nuclear power > solar power.
solar is that wide receiver EVER NFL team wants. if its thrown, he will catch it! even nukes 🤣🤣🤣
Note to self: if I ever play against Solar, I should offrace as Terran.
Funny how the "unluckiest" SC2 player just won the GSL super tournament yesterday! 🤣
Not mentioned in this video, but Maru is known to always pick Solar in group selections in GSL. Maru getting knocked out early finally gave Solar a chance to get further in a tourney, then goes on to win it 💪
So what can we say?
He was unlucky the map was broken once and ran into a nuke twice.... we really can't be talking about luck here.
also almost winning is not about luck.
yea maybe if your opponent just so happens to come out with 2 or 3 units left, but not geing able to break someone and then losing... yea tha's just called being not good enaugh....
He won the GSL super tournament yesterday...By that measure, I would say he is pretty good at Starcraft...
Pig literally went through this in the beginning. In essence we like to think that our success or failure is in our complete control but in reality factors outside our control play a big role.
He kept pulling his overseer away before the broodlings hit. That’s not being unlucky