I believe humans in different places can independently arrive to the same conclusion, since we share the same faculty of reason. For me stoicism/buddhism is a human achievement similar to the moon landing. This should be taught in schools. How can the wisdom of many centuries, that has the aim to create good human beings that are happy and virtuous, not be taught in school?
Crazy isn’t it. I taught my children similar lessons as they were growing up. I spent hours and hours using appropriate examples to relate to principles such as these. Yes I did spend time with teaching basic reading and writing, but for me all of that stuff doesn’t make getting through life easier or with a lot more understanding, or make you a good human being.
Because our school systems are not designed to make us wise and happy-on the contrary-they either, at the very best, make us competitive against each other or, at worst, sell amd trick us into getting in debt. Edit: atleast in the USA.
Politics most likely. Back in the mid 20th Century colleges taught the essentials of civic responsibility (Latin, etc.) Now that has changed so drastically that we are still wheeling from it.
Because its the age of hopelessness. Kali yuga. Fake woke everywhere, wise people are called stupid. Manupulators win. Narcissitic and evil tribes prosper and others will either join or suffocate. No respect for good or honestly. Kindness is weakness.
I started studying Buddhism and Meditation almost two years ago and yes it has a lot of similarities. This has led me to discover stoicism earlier this year.
Stoicism was probably inspired by Buddhism. Pyrrho lived in India for 18 months and learnt Buddhist Philosophy from the Gymnosophists. This must have inspired the Stoics too ...
I started goin to a Zen Temple this year and I'm currently reading Meditations by Marcus Aurelius and it's low key the best book I've ever read. These philosophies are fantastic.
Thank you again for my Sunday House of Worship. I can only offer, after studying Cultural Geography, that there is a phenomenon called, independent origination. Basically, it says that similar cultural event can spring up anywhere around the globe at about the same time. Like the idea of the Axial Age described by Karen Armstrong, in her book, "The Great Transformation," Buddhism and Stoicism came up at about the same time and may have had the same conditions present for their birth and growth. This is only a working hypothesis. Nice job of compare and contrast.
Independent origination is a very common phenomenon in the natural sciences and mathematics. For example, calculus was devised independently, and around the same time, by both Newton and Leibnitz.
Might be a coincidence, like pyramids in different parts of the globe (well, pyramids are the simplest buildings). However, with Buddhism and Stoicism, operating at the time of their origin some commercial routes between east and west, the mere influence possibly is still there. A fella previously commented that "Stoicism was probably inspired by Buddhism. Pyrrho lived in India for 18 months and learnt Buddhist Philosophy from the Gymnosophists. This must have inspired the Stoics too..." There are also hypothesis that the Christians doctrine was inspired by Hinduism, given the parallelisms between the message attributed to Jesus and Advaita Vedanta's divine essence in each human being. In fact the Baghavad Gita is quite similar to the Bible. BTW, I remember my philosophy teacher calling Christianity "Platonism for the masses" lol All this leads me to think that the "independent origination" that you mention is merely how us humans reach similar inventions for similar problems, from writing to philosophy to religion to buildings...
I was wondering how Indian philosophies influenced Greek Philosophies. I have just finished "The Shape of Ancient Thoughts : Comparative Studies in Indian and Greek Philosophies" by Thomas C McEvilley. In Greece there were two types of philosophers: those who taught walking around called peripatetics but those who taught sitting on porch (stoa) called stoics. Stoics has similar meaning of Hindu term Upanishad (sitting near). Buddha also taught by sitting. The time of both some Upanishads and Buddha can be called between 1000 BC and 600 BC. By the age of, Alexander, the great India and Greece had political and marital alliances. Many Greeks were ordained as Buddhist monks in the 3rd century BCE and by the second century BCE Indo-Greek king became the patron of Buddhism.
I want to help people with this, however due to negative personal experiences with a certain action, I have doubts on whether or not I should even suggest it as a way to help someone.
@@AshleyAbbuhl It's from the revered computer game "Thief: The Dark Project". I never mean to claim it as my own, but I often post it without attribution to see if anyone recognizes it. I find it quite powerful and memorable.
Stoicism and Buddhism definitely are very similar. Stoicism is also very similar to Daoism. "Meditations" reminds me a lot of "The Dao De Jing" both in content and structure. I would love to see you make a video on this.
When it comes to comparing Greek and Chinese philosophies, I tend to think that Stoicism/Confucianism and Cynicism/Daoism ultimately land as the closest analogues to each other. Sociologically speaking that’s certainly the case given that the first two developed into functioning civil religions as expressed within imperial Rome and China among their governing classes especially in contrast to the latter ones which while very influential, including on their competitors, did not reject organized society as it existed as an unnatural perversion of nature even if they thought there was room for improvement. Indeed, they did see civilization as an extension of it. There’s overlap in these areas between each local pair, but at their core Stoicism and Confucianism are each about virtue ethics while that of both Cynicism and Daoism is on natural living. But of course, how those notions manifested depended upon the culture in which they arose. If you were to discern the primary differences between their collected schools of thought, the Greeks leaned into the individual, happiness and theory while the Chinese concentrated on the community, well-being and example. They might have one or all of those attributes. As things pertain to Stoicism and Confucianism, both advise their followers to make peace with the hand that they’ve been dealt and practice a set of chief virtues daily with the goal of self-improvement. But the Stoics emphasized being able to take whatever life throws at you while the Confucians focused on navigating social structures. That active personal development helping them to do so. Stoics were supposed to be able to achieve happiness when they lead a virtuous life where they’ve accepted that which they can’t control and have the ability to bear it while Confucians argued cultivating good moral character is important to promoting harmony in society if not the cosmos. Both in some sense do believe they are living in accordance with nature, but Cynicism and Daoism each takes that concept a step further. They didn’t practice specific virtues in the same way, consciously trying to do so could push against nature or the Dao, but would attain virtue and happiness by allowing themselves to listen to it. Though the underlying differences can be show again by highlighting how the Cynics fully embraced a lifestyle of shameless independence while the Daoists were most concerned with going with the flow. But it does seem like you could do a kind of venn diagram or something with these groups given that Stoicism and Daoism are indeed strikingly similar in how both maintain a whatever will be, will be kind of attitude toward the universe, known as the Logos or the Dao, and that can help you learn how to roll with the punches. Adherents of Cynicism and Confucianism would say that there is something greater that they were connected with as well, but did tend to define themselves in relation to society to a noticeably greater degree. Albeit coming down on opposite sides of that debate. For a Cynic, violating norms is a good unto itself while for a Confucian honoring traditions is viewed as such instead. But while a Daoist understands human rules as being less important and a Stoic places considerable value on civic responsibility, they don’t necessarily think that partaking in those activities for their own sake are primary objectives. There are other strains that could be touched on to further elaborate on this stuff like their proto-utilitarians, the Epicureans and Mohists, the ethical egoists, the Cyrenaics and Yangists, or those who mixed-and-matched ideas, the Eclectics and Syncretists, but this has probably gone on more than long enough.
I'm a Christian but I love the philosophy and psychology behind Stoicism and Buddhism. Wanting to be a better person through self awareness and self-help is not a sin, it doesn't mean that I worship Buddha or anyone besides God, it just means that I want to seek greater knowledge and wisdom. So as a Christian I just want to say that I love your videos and the information I get from them.
I have a respect for all three of those traditions as well. I’ve never seen a real contradiction between venerating the Buddha while reserving worship for God.
As a Buddhist, I think “worshipping” the Buddha is fundamentally flawed. Paying respect to him is normal but I don’t think he’s a deity to be worshipped. Siddhartha probably wouldn’t like being worshipped either
Great video. I agree and I am happiest in the moment. I'm curious how this reconciles with the past and striving for the future both on an individual level and as a species. The past is the past, yes. But does it not at least merit consideration and contemplation occasionally? Those who do not understand the past are doomed to repeat it. In the future. I understand the future is out of our control, mostly. But isn't it wise to have goals and aspirations personally and as a species. I'm talking reasonable desires. Like, say so as to maybe one day have a bit of land and a humble home on it that I could pass down. Or how about marshaling all resources to develop craft to get off this planet and out into space. Are those desires too big for a Stoic. Am I (we) only ever as a human(s), to live in the moment? To let go all external control and simply float down the river of life and let it carry me (or humanity at large) downstream to who knows where, having faith in the universe? Or, instead of totally floating or growing with the current of life, do we put up a magic sail, and through desire and what we CAN control, change our trajectory intelligently? Thoughts?
Well, you can have a vision of a future for yourself, the idea is to detach to the outcome. Walk the path that you want to walk but avoid the idea that if you don’t get the “thing” you will be unfulfilled. You are enough and complete in this exact moment, you lack nothing according to nature (Stoic philosophy used to follow this idea: if you have food to avoid hunger, water to avoid thirst, and a roof to avoid coldness, then you had enough) So basically for me is all about creating goals in the long and short term, nevertheless keeping gratitude at its finest. I’m grateful every single day because I have what I need, I desire nothing with such intensity that I will become a disappointed or wretched men if I don’t get it. Anyways, if you want a better explanation check The Power Pf Now of Eckhart Tolle
Wondering about these questions is and actively asking, shows your seriousness in this, I admire that ;). Completely agree that as long as we don’t know what has played in our past, take it even deeper: is playing in our conscious and unconscious awareness, we are doomed to repeat ‘mistakes’ from the past. Achieving a state of Eudaimonia without having some direction in your life, to me seems futile as you’re then constantly living in the moment being swayed by external factors. In order to counter this, try to get a helicopter view of your life (it might mean ‘break out’ of your stoic view for some people, with which I don’t agree with, and contemplate what would be the highest good, virtue and life you can possible imagine. That sets an ideal for which you can design your life around. If you fully embrace that without NEEDING the outcome to be happy, and “program (like an A.I.)” that into your being and then zoom back into your present and actively love accordance to getting closer to that highest abstraction of the ideal version of yourself and in consequence for your surroundings/society etc you will reach Eudaimonia. As I see it, we live in a constant flux of push pulls taking us out of this accordance (some may call it Tao, Nature, God, The Universe) and it is up to us to stay true to the highest virtues we have set for ourselves that provide a counter force to the entropy of our reality. Then again, those are my way of viewing things.
That is the thing about truth... people from different places and different ages thru different lives and different experience have taken different paths which all led the SAME DESTINATION. Truth is not fashion. It stays, whether one stays with it or not. 🔥
@@davidrosner6267 No, but they do have an impact on the Greek in Bactrian and their later indo greek If you curious ruclips.net/video/ZxJk4KHZxi8/видео.html you should watch this
@@asianboy969 I've seen that video but I just watched it again to remind myself about the often forgotten interaction between Greek and Indian culture in the post-Alexander period. Thanks again for sharing.
Pythagoras travelled to India and took some ideas to Greek. In fact Stoic practice of looking everything in larger perspective of time and space is essentially Pythagorean.
To have a presence of mind is very important to your state of mind and mental health but you also need to keep your eyes open for the future and adapt and change accordingly. Those with a future-oriented mindset always win in the end because they have already made the important and necessary decisions in advance. People who are lost in the present and who cannot see past their own nose are doomed to fail. So stay in the present but always plan for the future.
I think the reason that stoicism and Buddhism have so many similarities even though one developed in Greece and the other developed in India is by tapping into what Carl Gustav Jung called the collective unconscious.
Um…..the best response I could entail from this is that there are just grown men and women who have a delight in this Victorian froc fashion on young lady’s to achieve of sense of robust heartiness and stability
What is the difference between: 1) indifference 2) non-attachment and 3) apathy? It seems that hope is the motivation for someone to better him/herself. And hope is the motivation to create a better human society. How can we improve as individuals and as a society if we are unattached to the future? Isn't apathy the problem of today?
I think it is a balance of trying to pursue our goals but not becoming dependent on them for our happiness. It means being content and at peace at any given moment, despite what we think are our failures.
I've been thinking about starting to follow paths of stoicism and/or buddhism atleast as far as it's healthy and wise. I just might be able to do both at the end. there's lot of similarities between them and just might go rather well together. and if not I pick one of them - depending which one suits me better.
*Let me name some greatest Indian philosophies 1) Buddhism 2) Advait Vedantism (also known as non-dualistic philosophy) 3)Samkhaya Darshan (MiXture of athiest and spiritual philosophy) 4) Philosophy of Charvaka 5) Indian Sufism isnpired by Baba Bulleh Shah, Seikh faid, Kwaja moinuddin Chisty, Rahim khan-i-khana 6) Jainism or Philosophy of Non-violence* *7) Kabir Panth Philosphy by middle age author Kabir* *Maximum of these philosophies have more or less connections and similarities with stoicism* *However, I love to watch your videos and am a great fan of you*
There was a piece in The Power of Now which took me out of it where the author praised the Eastern philosophies but derided Western philosophies like Stoicism. I assumed that Eckert Tolle's ego took over and ran amuck for a while.
Was Buddha not just a stoic...? If many people come to believe one thing and then attempt to teach it to others to help them. None of us are very different from another, just come to the same conclusions in life. It took 31 years for me to be able to identify with any belief (to easily describe to others a mindset) because Buddhism was always just slightly off. One day my ex husband proclaimed in frustration that my stoicism was the most irritating and valuable thing about me. It may be sad that I hadn’t realized the connection sooner but for me my mindset was the way I made it through my childhood and maintained sanity. I had never known it was a philosophy people studied.
Hello, I first off want to say that I love you're work and that it has helped me better myself and helped me enhance my spiritual practices and I have this question for you. Can one like me be a Christian and also use the philosophy of Stoicism as a tool to give me solid ground to put my spiritual Christian disciplines to work? Thanks in advance.
The first verse of the Gospel of John says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." And then, in verse 3, "through him (the Word) all things were made". In the original Greek the term "Word" is "Logos", a concept that is fundamental to Stoicism. In English versions of Stoic texts the term "Logos" is usually translated as "Reason". The universe is formed and changes in accordance with Reason, which is (depending on the author) God or an expression of God. We know that the Logos exists because the universe is intelligible to our minds through science and mathematics. The Logos in the universe is the same as the Logos or Reason in each of us, and our lives should conform to it if we wish to be happy. Then we will live in accordance with nature. When John wrote his gospel he was certainly aware that "Logos" was a concept in Greek philosophy, and he expressed his ideas about Jesus in a manner that the intellectuals of his day would appreciate. Jesus was the Logos made flesh---that is, born into a human body. That means that his nature was entirely conformed to the Logos and expressed the Logos, and was free from mortal failings (or sin).
I'd argue that Christianity very much belongs in the conversation with Stoicism and Buddhism when it comes to philosophies of life, earlier on it and adherents of the former often got on well, but there is bit of a stigma attached to in American in particular that is somewhat understandable given how there are admittedly a number of anti-intellectual Christians who constantly like making their presence known. Lol
The divine Logos of which Jesus is said to be the embodiment of is a Stoic concept and as most heavily emphasized in the Gospel of John, his personal virtue alongside the acceptance of his fate up to his death make him in a sense the ideal Stoic. Whether someone is religious or not, those are interesting connections to think about.
Idk if you know this or not but the Persians would deport Greeks from Anatolia to what is not modern day Pakistan so maybe some of them brought some of the philosophy over. But take my words as a grain of salt since who knows, either way it’s interesting to think how different worlds are always connected to one another
Same thing with Christianity, as we are taught not to be attached either and to be whole with nature (God) and other things similar to both of these philosophies.
hey dude i really appreciate your every work and vidoes.i just have a lil problem that you portary buddism originated in india(actually its nepal, do some reaseach on this please)i am from nepal and it would be great if you correct tthis for shake of history of some country .thank you so much for introducing stoicism to me
The way I approach desire/preference that helps me is to immediately turn desire into intent. So many philosophies encourage against the *holding* onto desire in essence. Law of attraction (step one desire/prefer, step 2 leave the place of desire and allow the receiving of it) , Buddhism, Doaism, even the Abrahamic religions (ask and *know* it is already given), and this is how I interpret the issues and solution. Once you desire something, if you immediately make it an intent to receive the thing or accomplish the thing you no longer desire it but are now moving toward it. If you want to be a ___ professional- you can immediately start doing things that will lead you in that direction. If you want to arrive at a place you can immediately make a step toward it, even if it’s packing, it’s now your intent- not really a desire. Not even a hard expectation but more of a knowing, knowing that all possibilities are equally possible so no reason to think you won’t accomplish what you set out for. The life of the universe just doesn’t work that way.
If we have been constantly offended,hipotetically, and we perceive the ignorant offender grows in his pride everytime he offend an stoic, this egocentric pride could ve dangerous and become aggression,assault etc...what a stoic would do? Face the offender? Let escalate?
0.00 - 0.10 Time lapse of Chem trail plane polluting our atmosphere! If you are awake to that kind of thing, I can attest, Stoicism aids in dealing with it.
I think I've finally found a belief system that fits me. Until now, the closest I could get was Buddhism but the woo-woo stuff and the pursuit of nirvana always put me off. I think I'm a Stoic!
Check out Einzelgänger's book 'Stoicism for Inner Peace' here: einzelganger.co/innerpeace
Great book! Thanks for it 🙂
I believe humans in different places can independently arrive to the same conclusion, since we share the same faculty of reason. For me stoicism/buddhism is a human achievement similar to the moon landing. This should be taught in schools. How can the wisdom of many centuries, that has the aim to create good human beings that are happy and virtuous, not be taught in school?
Crazy isn’t it. I taught my children similar lessons as they were growing up. I spent hours and hours using appropriate examples to relate to principles such as these. Yes I did spend time with teaching basic reading and writing, but for me all of that stuff doesn’t make getting through life easier or with a lot more understanding, or make you a good human being.
Because our school systems are not designed to make us wise and happy-on the contrary-they either, at the very best, make us competitive against each other or, at worst, sell amd trick us into getting in debt.
Edit: atleast in the USA.
Politics most likely. Back in the mid 20th Century colleges taught the essentials of civic responsibility (Latin, etc.) Now that has changed so drastically that we are still wheeling from it.
Because its the age of hopelessness. Kali yuga. Fake woke everywhere, wise people are called stupid. Manupulators win. Narcissitic and evil tribes prosper and others will either join or suffocate. No respect for good or honestly. Kindness is weakness.
I started studying Buddhism and Meditation almost two years ago and yes it has a lot of similarities. This has led me to discover stoicism earlier this year.
TheMarkedWolf I have converged the 2 as well
Stoicism was probably inspired by Buddhism. Pyrrho lived in India for 18 months and learnt Buddhist Philosophy from the Gymnosophists. This must have inspired the Stoics too ...
I started goin to a Zen Temple this year and I'm currently reading Meditations by Marcus Aurelius and it's low key the best book I've ever read. These philosophies are fantastic.
Wow, that´s a great combination ;). And very compatible too.
I'm reading the same book and I'm happy I decided to do so (:
Daniela Nava is it the 2006 version from amazon? I’m looking to buy it
Why is it "low key" the best book? Are you ashamed of the fact? That has to be the dumbest slang trend currently going on. Just say you like shit.
I never thought I would be interested in philosophy... *Great job!*
Thanks! :0
Stoicism is the most practical Philosophy if you are not a Christian.
I'm Buddhist and came across Stoicism recently and found it similar.. decided to search out on RUclips and voila - thank you for making this video!
Buddhist monks came in to Alexandria Egypt at about 200 BC.
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Thank you again for my Sunday House of Worship. I can only offer, after studying Cultural Geography, that there is a phenomenon called, independent origination. Basically, it says that similar cultural event can spring up anywhere around the globe at about the same time. Like the idea of the Axial Age described by Karen Armstrong, in her book, "The Great Transformation," Buddhism and Stoicism came up at about the same time and may have had the same conditions present for their birth and growth. This is only a working hypothesis. Nice job of compare and contrast.
Independent origination is a very common phenomenon in the natural sciences and mathematics.
For example, calculus was devised independently, and around the same time, by both Newton and Leibnitz.
Might be a coincidence, like pyramids in different parts of the globe (well, pyramids are the simplest buildings).
However, with Buddhism and Stoicism, operating at the time of their origin some commercial routes between east and west, the mere influence possibly is still there.
A fella previously commented that "Stoicism was probably inspired by Buddhism. Pyrrho lived in India for 18 months and learnt Buddhist Philosophy from the Gymnosophists. This must have inspired the Stoics too..."
There are also hypothesis that the Christians doctrine was inspired by Hinduism, given the parallelisms between the message attributed to Jesus and Advaita Vedanta's divine essence in each human being. In fact the Baghavad Gita is quite similar to the Bible. BTW, I remember my philosophy teacher calling Christianity "Platonism for the masses" lol
All this leads me to think that the "independent origination" that you mention is merely how us humans reach similar inventions for similar problems, from writing to philosophy to religion to buildings...
"Yesteday is history, tomorrow is a mystery and today is a gift... That's why they call it the PRESENT" Master oogway
Wow !!! 😳😍😍
I follow Buddhism mostly but both in my opinion has alot of value!! Thanks again for insight!!
This channel is one of the best things I've found on the internet. Please don't stop.
Thank you! I think so too.
I was wondering how Indian philosophies influenced Greek Philosophies. I have just finished "The Shape of Ancient Thoughts : Comparative Studies in Indian and Greek Philosophies" by Thomas C McEvilley. In Greece there were two types of philosophers: those who taught walking around called peripatetics but those who taught sitting on porch (stoa) called stoics. Stoics has similar meaning of Hindu term Upanishad (sitting near). Buddha also taught by sitting. The time of both some Upanishads and Buddha can be called between 1000 BC and 600 BC. By the age of, Alexander, the great India and Greece had political and marital alliances. Many Greeks were ordained as Buddhist monks in the 3rd century BCE and by the second century BCE Indo-Greek king became the patron of Buddhism.
I think this philosophy is amazing and should be practiced more often the world would be a happier place thanks for the great information 👍
Thank you, hermit!
I want to help people with this, however due to negative personal experiences with a certain action, I have doubts on whether or not I should even suggest it as a way to help someone.
"The essence of balance is detachment. To embrace a cause, to grow fond or spiteful, is to lose one's balance, after which, no action can be trusted."
who said this ?? !!
@@AshleyAbbuhl It's from the revered computer game "Thief: The Dark Project". I never mean to claim it as my own, but I often post it without attribution to see if anyone recognizes it. I find it quite powerful and memorable.
@@Torgo1969 okay cool thanks ! i was just curious :) i like to collect quotes and i also like to know who said them! great words! great quote!
It's such a joy listening to you, everything I hear r words to my thoughts. You have much wisdom and understanding. Thank you for sharing!
Great presentation! East meets west. One NATURE, one TRUTH, one perennial WISDOM. The Tao and the Logos, one single ordering Principle.
Stoicism has changed my life almost instantly
Stoicism and Buddhism definitely are very similar. Stoicism is also very similar to Daoism. "Meditations" reminds me a lot of "The Dao De Jing" both in content and structure. I would love to see you make a video on this.
When it comes to comparing Greek and Chinese philosophies, I tend to think that Stoicism/Confucianism and Cynicism/Daoism ultimately land as the closest analogues to each other. Sociologically speaking that’s certainly the case given that the first two developed into functioning civil religions as expressed within imperial Rome and China among their governing classes especially in contrast to the latter ones which while very influential, including on their competitors, did not reject organized society as it existed as an unnatural perversion of nature even if they thought there was room for improvement. Indeed, they did see civilization as an extension of it. There’s overlap in these areas between each local pair, but at their core Stoicism and Confucianism are each about virtue ethics while that of both Cynicism and Daoism is on natural living. But of course, how those notions manifested depended upon the culture in which they arose. If you were to discern the primary differences between their collected schools of thought, the Greeks leaned into the individual, happiness and theory while the Chinese concentrated on the community, well-being and example. They might have one or all of those attributes.
As things pertain to Stoicism and Confucianism, both advise their followers to make peace with the hand that they’ve been dealt and practice a set of chief virtues daily with the goal of self-improvement. But the Stoics emphasized being able to take whatever life throws at you while the Confucians focused on navigating social structures. That active personal development helping them to do so. Stoics were supposed to be able to achieve happiness when they lead a virtuous life where they’ve accepted that which they can’t control and have the ability to bear it while Confucians argued cultivating good moral character is important to promoting harmony in society if not the cosmos. Both in some sense do believe they are living in accordance with nature, but Cynicism and Daoism each takes that concept a step further. They didn’t practice specific virtues in the same way, consciously trying to do so could push against nature or the Dao, but would attain virtue and happiness by allowing themselves to listen to it. Though the underlying differences can be show again by highlighting how the Cynics fully embraced a lifestyle of shameless independence while the Daoists were most concerned with going with the flow.
But it does seem like you could do a kind of venn diagram or something with these groups given that Stoicism and Daoism are indeed strikingly similar in how both maintain a whatever will be, will be kind of attitude toward the universe, known as the Logos or the Dao, and that can help you learn how to roll with the punches. Adherents of Cynicism and Confucianism would say that there is something greater that they were connected with as well, but did tend to define themselves in relation to society to a noticeably greater degree. Albeit coming down on opposite sides of that debate. For a Cynic, violating norms is a good unto itself while for a Confucian honoring traditions is viewed as such instead. But while a Daoist understands human rules as being less important and a Stoic places considerable value on civic responsibility, they don’t necessarily think that partaking in those activities for their own sake are primary objectives. There are other strains that could be touched on to further elaborate on this stuff like their proto-utilitarians, the Epicureans and Mohists, the ethical egoists, the Cyrenaics and Yangists, or those who mixed-and-matched ideas, the Eclectics and Syncretists, but this has probably gone on more than long enough.
I'm a Christian but I love the philosophy and psychology behind Stoicism and Buddhism. Wanting to be a better person through self awareness and self-help is not a sin, it doesn't mean that I worship Buddha or anyone besides God, it just means that I want to seek greater knowledge and wisdom. So as a Christian I just want to say that I love your videos and the information I get from them.
I have a respect for all three of those traditions as well. I’ve never seen a real contradiction between venerating the Buddha while reserving worship for God.
Buddhaist don't even worship the buddha to begin with
As a Buddhist, I think “worshipping” the Buddha is fundamentally flawed. Paying respect to him is normal but I don’t think he’s a deity to be worshipped. Siddhartha probably wouldn’t like being worshipped either
To obtain Nirvana, I go deep into my pile of old grunge CDs
I really love this channel ❤️
thank you , became interested in stoicism recently and reading what's available on youtube!
Great video. I agree and I am happiest in the moment. I'm curious how this reconciles with the past and striving for the future both on an individual level and as a species.
The past is the past, yes. But does it not at least merit consideration and contemplation occasionally? Those who do not understand the past are doomed to repeat it. In the future.
I understand the future is out of our control, mostly. But isn't it wise to have goals and aspirations personally and as a species. I'm talking reasonable desires. Like, say so as to maybe one day have a bit of land and a humble home on it that I could pass down. Or how about marshaling all resources to develop craft to get off this planet and out into space.
Are those desires too big for a Stoic. Am I (we) only ever as a human(s), to live in the moment? To let go all external control and simply float down the river of life and let it carry me (or humanity at large) downstream to who knows where, having faith in the universe? Or, instead of totally floating or growing with the current of life, do we put up a magic sail, and through desire and what we CAN control, change our trajectory intelligently?
Thoughts?
I often struggled with/ wonder about this. Unfortunately I have no answer, but am hoping someone might reply with something of value!
@@benzietsch3848 #me2 lol
Well, you can have a vision of a future for yourself, the idea is to detach to the outcome.
Walk the path that you want to walk but avoid the idea that if you don’t get the “thing” you will be unfulfilled.
You are enough and complete in this exact moment, you lack nothing according to nature (Stoic philosophy used to follow this idea: if you have food to avoid hunger, water to avoid thirst, and a roof to avoid coldness, then you had enough)
So basically for me is all about creating goals in the long and short term, nevertheless keeping gratitude at its finest. I’m grateful every single day because I have what I need, I desire nothing with such intensity that I will become a disappointed or wretched men if I don’t get it.
Anyways, if you want a better explanation check The Power Pf Now of Eckhart Tolle
Wondering about these questions is and actively asking, shows your seriousness in this, I admire that ;).
Completely agree that as long as we don’t know what has played in our past, take it even deeper: is playing in our conscious and unconscious awareness, we are doomed to repeat ‘mistakes’ from the past.
Achieving a state of Eudaimonia without having some direction in your life, to me seems futile as you’re then constantly living in the moment being swayed by external factors. In order to counter this, try to get a helicopter view of your life (it might mean ‘break out’ of your stoic view for some people, with which I don’t agree with, and contemplate what would be the highest good, virtue and life you can possible imagine. That sets an ideal for which you can design your life around. If you fully embrace that without NEEDING the outcome to be happy, and “program (like an A.I.)” that into your being and then zoom back into your present and actively love accordance to getting closer to that highest abstraction of the ideal version of yourself and in consequence for your surroundings/society etc you will reach Eudaimonia. As I see it, we live in a constant flux of push pulls taking us out of this accordance (some may call it Tao, Nature, God, The Universe) and it is up to us to stay true to the highest virtues we have set for ourselves that provide a counter force to the entropy of our reality.
Then again, those are my way of viewing things.
When you wonder about the past and the future you are doing it in the present moment too.
I love your videos man! Keep em coming🙌
That is the thing about truth... people from different places and different ages thru different lives and different experience have taken different paths which all led the SAME DESTINATION.
Truth is not fashion. It stays, whether one stays with it or not. 🔥
“No historical proof”
Indo-Greco kingdom: Am I a joke to you?
Did Buddhism impact the development of Stoic philosophy in Hellenistic Greece?
@@davidrosner6267 No, but they do have an impact on the Greek in Bactrian and their later indo greek
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Andy Quach this was later
@@asianboy969 I've seen that video but I just watched it again to remind myself about the often forgotten interaction between Greek and Indian culture in the post-Alexander period.
Thanks again for sharing.
Pythagoras travelled to India and took some ideas to Greek. In fact Stoic practice of looking everything in larger perspective of time and space is essentially Pythagorean.
To have a presence of mind is very important to your state of mind and mental health but you also need to keep your eyes open for the future and adapt and change accordingly. Those with a future-oriented mindset always win in the end because they have already made the important and necessary decisions in advance. People who are lost in the present and who cannot see past their own nose are doomed to fail. So stay in the present but always plan for the future.
I think the reason that stoicism and Buddhism have so many similarities even though one developed in Greece and the other developed in India is by tapping into what Carl Gustav Jung called the collective unconscious.
Um…..the best response I could entail from this is that there are just grown men and women who have a delight in this Victorian froc fashion on young lady’s to achieve of sense of robust heartiness and stability
What is the difference between: 1) indifference 2) non-attachment and 3) apathy? It seems that hope is the motivation for someone to better him/herself. And hope is the motivation to create a better human society. How can we improve as individuals and as a society if we are unattached to the future? Isn't apathy the problem of today?
I think it is a balance of trying to pursue our goals but not becoming dependent on them for our happiness. It means being content and at peace at any given moment, despite what we think are our failures.
Good stuff!
Thank you God for this channel be fan for 3 three years
What about Taoism? I thought that would be way more similar
Buddhism and taoism are extremely similar
I've been thinking about starting to follow paths of stoicism and/or buddhism atleast as far as it's healthy and wise. I just might be able to do both at the end. there's lot of similarities between them and just might go rather well together. and if not I pick one of them - depending which one suits me better.
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*Let me name some greatest Indian philosophies 1) Buddhism 2) Advait Vedantism (also known as non-dualistic philosophy) 3)Samkhaya Darshan (MiXture of athiest and spiritual philosophy) 4) Philosophy of Charvaka 5) Indian Sufism isnpired by Baba Bulleh Shah, Seikh faid, Kwaja moinuddin Chisty, Rahim khan-i-khana 6) Jainism or Philosophy of Non-violence*
*7) Kabir Panth Philosphy by middle age author Kabir*
*Maximum of these philosophies have more or less connections and similarities with stoicism*
*However, I love to watch your videos and am a great fan of you*
Thank you
Thank you too!
There was a piece in The Power of Now which took me out of it where the author praised the Eastern philosophies but derided Western philosophies like Stoicism. I assumed that Eckert Tolle's ego took over and ran amuck for a while.
Many thanks!
Healthy indifference. Non attachment :)
Because The Truth is One...❤
hey @Einzelganger what is the soundtrack playing at 5:30? thank you
Real truths are universal.
"Desiring food and water" is NOT what they mean by the word 'desire'.
endless mental cheddar...………….. what a concept !...…… at 1:11...….
I just don´t dig Swiss cheese
Was Buddha not just a stoic...? If many people come to believe one thing and then attempt to teach it to others to help them. None of us are very different from another, just come to the same conclusions in life.
It took 31 years for me to be able to identify with any belief (to easily describe to others a mindset) because Buddhism was always just slightly off. One day my ex husband proclaimed in frustration that my stoicism was the most irritating and valuable thing about me. It may be sad that I hadn’t realized the connection sooner but for me my mindset was the way I made it through my childhood and maintained sanity. I had never known it was a philosophy people studied.
I wonder what are the differences between Stoicism and Buddhism?
Since there are similar word s in both practices , it does NOT mean they are similar practices..
Infact they are polar opposite!!!
How?
Care to explain?
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Stoicism runs on a linear time
Buddhism is simply no time..if understood correctly
@@rasikajayathilaka3516 And how does that implies that this three similarities are false?
@@juanlastra3502 who said it was false
Hello, I first off want to say that I love you're work and that it has helped me better myself and helped me enhance my spiritual practices and I have this question for you. Can one like me be a Christian and also use the philosophy of Stoicism as a tool to give me solid ground to put my spiritual Christian disciplines to work? Thanks in advance.
The first verse of the Gospel of John says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." And then, in verse 3, "through him (the Word) all things were made". In the original Greek the term "Word" is "Logos", a concept that is fundamental to Stoicism. In English versions of Stoic texts the term "Logos" is usually translated as "Reason". The universe is formed and changes in accordance with Reason, which is (depending on the author) God or an expression of God. We know that the Logos exists because the universe is intelligible to our minds through science and mathematics. The Logos in the universe is the same as the Logos or Reason in each of us, and our lives should conform to it if we wish to be happy. Then we will live in accordance with nature. When John wrote his gospel he was certainly aware that "Logos" was a concept in Greek philosophy, and he expressed his ideas about Jesus in a manner that the intellectuals of his day would appreciate. Jesus was the Logos made flesh---that is, born into a human body. That means that his nature was entirely conformed to the Logos and expressed the Logos, and was free from mortal failings (or sin).
That means that Jesus was the perfect embodiment of all that Marcus Aurelius tried to be.
I'd argue that Christianity very much belongs in the conversation with Stoicism and Buddhism when it comes to philosophies of life, earlier on it and adherents of the former often got on well, but there is bit of a stigma attached to in American in particular that is somewhat understandable given how there are admittedly a number of anti-intellectual Christians who constantly like making their presence known. Lol
The serenity prayer
Yoda, MVP of philosophy.
Believer in both🙏🏽 also Taoism & Confucianism
Philosophy is great
There's some Stoicism in Christianity also, you could say that Jesus was very stoic (although i'm not very religious)
The divine Logos of which Jesus is said to be the embodiment of is a Stoic concept and as most heavily emphasized in the Gospel of John, his personal virtue alongside the acceptance of his fate up to his death make him in a sense the ideal Stoic. Whether someone is religious or not, those are interesting connections to think about.
Idk if you know this or not but the Persians would deport Greeks from Anatolia to what is not modern day Pakistan so maybe some of them brought some of the philosophy over. But take my words as a grain of salt since who knows, either way it’s interesting to think how different worlds are always connected to one another
Of what I have seen, Hinduism and Stoicism are pretty similar too
Same thing with Christianity, as we are taught not to be attached either and to be whole with nature (God) and other things similar to both of these philosophies.
Yep. Especially when God is properly understood as pure being. “I will be what I will be” after all.
hey dude i really appreciate your every work and vidoes.i just have a lil problem that you portary buddism originated in india(actually its nepal, do some reaseach on this please)i am from nepal and it would be great if you correct tthis for shake of history of some country .thank you so much for introducing stoicism to me
Ancient India occupied many regions, including what is now Nepal, so technically yes, it did originate in India.
Present moment ☯️
The way I approach desire/preference that helps me is to immediately turn desire into intent. So many philosophies encourage against the *holding* onto desire in essence. Law of attraction (step one desire/prefer, step 2 leave the place of desire and allow the receiving of it) , Buddhism, Doaism, even the Abrahamic religions (ask and *know* it is already given), and this is how I interpret the issues and solution.
Once you desire something, if you immediately make it an intent to receive the thing or accomplish the thing you no longer desire it but are now moving toward it.
If you want to be a ___ professional- you can immediately start doing things that will lead you in that direction.
If you want to arrive at a place you can immediately make a step toward it, even if it’s packing, it’s now your intent- not really a desire.
Not even a hard expectation but more of a knowing, knowing that all possibilities are equally possible so no reason to think you won’t accomplish what you set out for. The life of the universe just doesn’t work that way.
It makes sesnse that they did ..must of traded same time line i think
At the end god will judge us by our good indeeds ,not by books.
What does that have anything to do with the video now ?
I'm getting the feeling that Einzelganger is very inclined to Stoicism.
Best religion in term of life virtues in concious and higher gains are Sikh and above said both religion.
In ancient India their was Greek king and mnisters in india
If we have been constantly offended,hipotetically, and we perceive the ignorant offender grows in his pride everytime he offend an stoic, this egocentric pride could ve dangerous and become aggression,assault etc...what a stoic would do? Face the offender? Let escalate?
0.00 - 0.10 Time lapse of Chem trail plane polluting our atmosphere! If you are awake to that kind of thing, I can attest, Stoicism aids in dealing with it.
Anyone notice the geo-engineering at 1:50? Its in the backgroind...smh
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The single purpose
The difference between them is that stoicism does not promote passivity, like buddhism.
Taoism too
Stoicism and buddhism in hermit mode😂
Buddhism seems closer to Epicureanism to me
Post-19th Century Buddhist Modernism maybe.
Has more in common with Taoism.
This dude straight quoted yoda but it still made sense bruh
Buddha was born in limbuni, which is in Nepal. Just for information 😁
Buddha Gautama wasn't buddhist. Actually he practiced something between jainism and taoism. 👍
Jainism came later than Buddhism. Buddha was a Hindu (not named then) by birth. He practised atheism.
Nonsense!
Yes,I agree with 2 comment. Pl try to read further.
I think I've finally found a belief system that fits me. Until now, the closest I could get was Buddhism but the woo-woo stuff and the pursuit of nirvana always put me off.
I think I'm a Stoic!
Buddism established from nepal ! You fool
Nepal was once a part of India long ago, hence Buddhism originated in Ancient India.
Both stoicism and buddhism are early trans-humanist.
Thank you