Can the EU resolve growing Chinese anger over EU tariffs? | DW News
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- German Economy Minister Robert Habeck is in China to discuss trade relations, but a planned meeting with Premier Li Qiang (LEE CHI-ANG) was cancelled at the last minute without explanation. The cancellation comes amid growing Chinese anger over EU plans to increase tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles. Habeck said the EU was open to negotiate but said China's backing for Russia's war on Ukraine was what was really damaging trade relations. DW’s China analyst Clifford Coonan has more details.
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What a clown world. EU hits them with tariffs and wants to meet and tell them not to hit back. WTF.
The U.S. has done the same and got the same reception. In brief, China's message is : don't bother to come if your plan is to insult us .
It's so funny. You're asking China to sanction Russia, so that Russia can collapse, so that you can focus on collapsing China. 😂
Nobody is trying to collapse China, Europe has a lot of trade with China. As with Russia, we are trying to stop a war.
China is on a very dangerous path.
Well put
Any evidence?
Dr.. it’s a clown world. They hit china with tariffs and wants to meet to get better deal from China. WTF.
Europe cannot on one hand continue to trade with Russia in Energy, and on the other hand tells China to stop trading with Russia.
Uhm. The EU did stop trading energy with Russia. You are two years out of date.
Yeah, the bots in the comments have old scripts
@@enriquemarcella3436 they're buying it back through india..... and u.s still import russian uranium you know that right?
@@enriquemarcella3436 EU purchases energy from India who actually sources it from Russia.
@@enriquemarcella3436
Indian energy is not Ru energy.
Italian energy is not Ru energy.
Turkish energy is not Ru energy.
I am not so gullible.
every year almost 5 millions German brand cars sold in China, What are Germans thinking about when they are talking about Russian also😂
what... really? 5 million german cars sold in China while all China could export for EV cars are only like 2 to 3 million... talk about overcapacity in Germany... no wonder he had to go to china
Germany's economy is heavily dependent on exports so it needs to tread carefully. If they were smart they'd focus on their economy instead of playing self-righteous politics on behalf of a country miles away
German brand car Will be less and less
The chairman of the German opposition party said in parliament:
"This government hates Germany!"
She was right.
@@crazyqqq3 Yes, German brands Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Audi all have factories in China, these joint ventures have been monopolizing the Chinese middle market, and produced high quality products such as BMW X3, so the headquarters decided to sell this product to the world. So the EU's tariff policy actually hits these companies harder
Germany is a crying baby.
Why they didn't they say anything when the u.s. blew up, nordstream
why should Germany care about a russian owned pipeline that was already shut off?
@@thegreatdane3627 Half German owned and by the US blowing it up the US could corner the Germans and force them to pay higher premium prices for expensive American gas instead.
This is Russian infrastructure not German infrastructure. What is wrong with you?
@@krollpeterreally? U banned at Google? Or what😂
@@ensteffo no it is not half German owned. A German company has a 15% share. Gazprom has a 51% share, making them the majority owner.
At least they don't blow your pipeline.
Best comment
I thought that needs hush hush
We are still waiting for the expert investigating teams of Denmark and Sweden, to release the result of their findings. Until then, it may be Chynaa who did the sabotage!
You see, thirty years ago china allowed German companys almost to takeover the China car market. VW everywhere. Now you close your market to Chinese cars because they are getting better. How fair is that.
When you are visiting other people, you should be respectful, not showing arrogance and with a big mouth.
Last time he accused Cina of child labour I don't think they forgot.
Once powerful Germany, how has it become a mindless existence now?
So now it's Ukraine and not overcapacity?
No one can accuse Messers Klutz and Bollocks of being intelligent .
They are "inventing" self-justifications even as they go along. This is the classic "stage of denial" in a grieving/loss process according to Psychology 101.
Fortunately, after this stage, comes "stage of acceptance" i.e. stage of beginning to take responsibility for causing it. When you start an unjustified trade sanction, there is inevitable push-back, unless it were during colonial days, when you do whatever you want to your "subordinated states" (aka colonies).😂😂
Some comments by Arnaud Bertrand, "He immediately launches into a lecture on "human rights", saying incredibly offensive - and completely false - things such as saying that "children have to work miserably, under miserable conditions" (which is absolutely not true). China's premier Li Qiang proceeded to cancel the meeting that he had planned with Robert Habeck, who is then so incredibly clueless as to comment he "didn't know why" the meeting got cancelled 🤦♂ Here's a clue for you Robert: maybe because you came to insult his country? China's premier Li Qiang proceeded to cancel the meeting that he had planned with Robert Habeck, who is then so incredibly clueless as to comment he "didn't know why" the meeting got cancelled 🤦♂ Here's a clue for you Robert: maybe because you came to insult his country?
He is learning all the bad traits from Yellen and Blinken 😢
You flyed thousands of miles to resolve some issues, not to raise new. You got enough time back in Germany to blame China. I just can't understand why Germany can't choose some guy who can do something real.
You're absolutely right. He shouldn't have come. You can trade with yourselves and buy your own EVs.
He is just dumb
我是中国人，如果他真的说了儿童在悲惨的工作，那这个哈贝克就是CIA的提线木偶。我不知道为何德国领导层为啥净是些美国的间谍，德国人能解释下吗？
Why meeting cancelled? Maybe the Chinese thinks it’s a waste of time since you already imposed the tariffs and the meeting is to inform them your good reasons.
Germany sells most of its cars in China. If the Chinese also impose high tariffs in German car exports, Germany car manufacturing industries will suffer.
I'm by no means an expert but German cars are somewhat of a luxury good in China, I think the Germans hope that in this type of market the price people are willing to pay for something if it gets scarce rises while Europeans will "stop" buying Chinese cars once they get more expensive.
EU car exports to China in 2023: 19 billion euro
EU car exports to the UK in 2023: 30 billion euro
EU car exports to the US in 2023: 40 billion euro.
Democratic countries should have very limited economic relationship with authoritarian regimes.
@@thegreatdane3627 you are talking about EU here. EU is not a country. This are group of countries that produce car. German cars get more sales in China. So it will be bad for Germany economy. Out of that 19 billion you said, maybe German cars have the highest number sales.
@@jankowalyk7301 which countries you call authoritarian regime? Because I don't know who define a country. Most countries have their own rules and way of life. Not everyone must live like the west. The Arab world, Asia and Africa have their own way of living. The west must not try to impose its values in other continents. If the people having no problems with living so, why are Western countries especially rich countries think they must dictate to others how they should run their countries?
😂😂😂 he had no idea why the meeting was cancelled.
He definitely knew, but couldn't accept the fact that his words messed everything up and took the blame.
What a f-ing circus the West has become. Media, foreign policy, values, all at the same time.
The problem with the EU is they can't make decisions without the USA exception, how can any country make a business with EU if USA making their own decisions . China has to deal with USA behalf of the EU because they are not independent
EU is a leric of old age.That institution has less and less significance as the years go by.
We are going to see.
Big tariffs on ICE cars from EU companies, then tariffs on EU owned manufacturing plants in China.
German car industry is going to have a very tough time.
EU car exports to China in 2023: 19 billion euro
EU car exports to the UK in 2023: 30 billion euro
EU car exports to the US in 2023: 40 billion euro.
@@thegreatdane3627 and where is that Germany car made..... In China.
Now do your maths genius...,if china closed that shop whose lose it is....cuz in the first place Germany and EU went to china for cheap labours....now china is making EV car cheaper then phones and people's will buy that then expensive German car....
@@worldwideweb9431 if a factory in China is closed, then it is the Chinese workers that lose their job.
@@G-gh1no I think you're making a slight mistake. The fact that the market is declining for western brands does not mean their economy is not growing, it simply means they're getting beat by domestic carmakers in China. The same logic can be applies to virtually every industry. Secondly your point on other markets is very important because the germans recognized that china is now an economic competitor and they will compete with them in addition to other asian economies to gain market share outside the western sphere.
See what?
China's trade with Russia no western business!
Oh really? Then Taiwan's trade and diplomatic matters are none of China's business. China interferes in EVERYONE's business but complains when others interfere in its business.
If the West stopped buying Chinese goods, the country would collapse within 2 years
Wrong!
@@fjdkfdfjdf33 Is trade of the west with Ukraine Russia's or China's business?
United States trade with Taiwan is no Chinese business.
If china is that bad why bother going all the way there to talk then. Absolutely shameless
1) Habeck imposed the tariffs first and then tell the Chinese that it's negotiable? No wonder Li did not want to see him. Habeck should learn more about Chinese.
2) Habeck/EU should respect Chinese's developing nation rights to subsidies their industry to compete with developed nations like EU and US.
3) If EU wants China to help, EU should first seek China's consent on anything, e.g., whether Ukraine can join NATO or not.
@@HTeo-og1lg , May i know which part of my comment that i should speak for myself?
Sorry , I had merged two different comments I read into one mentally.
ps. Corrected my mistake
German also supports Russia by buying gas from them😂
Joe Biden: jump
Von de Layern: ok.
It's called protectionism and envy where only consumers are the victims.
As usual, always like to lecture
Can't expect respect if you don't extend respect.
This is how you know EU are desperate😂
The EU paying for its US loyalty. Leadership is ideologically stuck and clueless, acting against core self interest every step of the way with Russia-Ukraine and now China.
These hapless, spineless politicians deserve only one thing that is to be out of office as soon as possible. The sheer incompetence is unfathomable. Call for early elections in Germany now.
US and EU see China as enemies, China sees them as customers. 😅
Utterly pointless trip from the German side. And it speaks volumes about Mr. Habeck‘s level of competence in the field of China-relations that he was „surprised“ that the meeting was cancelled.
And just blaming others not themselves
I am really scared, Hope EU is not at the verge of collapse 😢
We will be fine bro
What is there to talk about when EU are not promoting free trade by its latest stifling actions!
China doesn't waste time - now it is quickly & busy working other options to retaliate & sell its EVs elsewhere.
It was probably some other Habeck they invited. Must’ve been a misunderstanding. Oh well, at least he got to visit China.
Gotta do what Daddy said.
Germany: “Please forgive us, we simply follow the instructions of the US.”
Supoort Russia? 😂😂😂😂😂. You are so funny😂😂😂😂. I have been working here in Shanghai for 2 years and I can tell you the decline of German auto industry here. You can ask BMW, Benz, VW, etc on how much market share (in China) they have expected to give up due to this tariff. Just drop by Shanghai and see the fascinating ev on the road, they r real deal mate. Numbers won't lie, only politicians will.
I don't understand the logic of the European leaders. If the Chinese government subsidies the Chinese EVEN that are sold in EU in low price, isn't that a good deal for EU consumers to enjoy the subsidy from Chinese government?
It will wipe out the car industry. And it is illegal trade practice
sure, but Europe will lose 1000s of jobs, and another industry will disappear from Europe. And then we are even more dependent on China.
Yes. but they don't want to have a bankrupt industry in the future because they can't compete.
Forget about the health of the EU economies or the risk of sleepwalking into WW3. Help Ukraine is the only thing they focus on these days.
China's support for Russia and Germany's support for Ukraine, there's no any difference so why Germany complaining? Due to arrogance and shamelessness.
Sanction EU right back at
Rule is a rule, anger does not solve the problems
It is not about anger. It is simply waste of time for the busy Chinese.
That is the Reputation of german politicians ( green party ) in China......still questions
Germans missed their old glory and want to take it back
EU is sick union soon will end I missing old traditional Europe
欧洲正被美国慢慢蚕食，你们应该小心的不是我们，而是华尔街那帮人
It's so funny to hear these "ministers" mindlessly repeat US rhetoric
All of a sudden everyone forgot China's unfavorable behavior on business policies. Another trade issue would be the China 9 Dashline sea militarization which sets restriction of passage on cargo shipment including it's claim of marine & energy resources on traditional international waters...
the european side continues to escalate trade frictions and could teigger a 'tread war'. the responsibility lies enterely with the european side. the european side had intimidated and coerced Chinese enterprises threatened to apply punitive high tariff rates and demanded overly broad information.
What are you talking about. The chinese dumped extremely cheap cars on to european soil, that was not possible without gov funding. Of course there will be a reaction and asking to provide proof
But it will be settled with a negotiation anyways. Neither prc or europe has an appetite for trade W
Habeck should not pay much attention. What is more important 8s the continued obsession of the Europeans with their white skins and the obsession with their favourite bedtime stories by Artur de Gobineau
Make your mind, Ukraine or EV.
It's perplexing that the EU, as a developed economy, would impose tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles, while China, a developing country, retaliates by placing tariffs on agricultural products from the EU. This situation blurs the lines between who is a developed and who is a developing economy-now I'm really confused!
Why does he have to resolve it? When is the EU going to be minimally consistent? Why the EU is always so weak and naive?
German diplomacy
So what's the point of going to China just get ready for closing factories in China😂😂😂
US client state😂😂😂
Its about Ukraine. Not about trade.
A trade war between the EU and China is inevitable. Don’t delay it. As a Canadian, I thoroughly enjoy and look forward to the showdown. It’s likely we are going for a 100% tariff on EVs made in China, like the Americans. The world is becoming more interesting by the day.
Unbelievable...is that all you can do....
End of West hegemony😅
Not a punishment? Well China will also 'not punish' German cars
West dan support ukraine, china not allow support rusiaaa 😂😂😂😂😂
The EU should close a free trade agreement with the US
Of course, the Minister cannot arrange to meet the Prime Minister, it is very strange to have an appointment. Secondly, China and the EU have already arranged electric vehicle tariff negotiations, so why bother to negotiate with the German Economy Minister?
How can you say Russia is not a major trade partner to China ? Where is all the Russian energy going to ? What military cooperation exists between them for a very long time now ?
Chinese has a ticking bomb at home if the CCP could not remedied some disastrous events in their economy more than a billion population was huge responsibility to handle,thats why they want to always to get what they wanted to satisfy that need of soften things to happen 😅😅😅 they shown their wares😅😅😅
Let see number of Chinese cars sold in German VS numbers of German cars sold in China, who wins?
EU supports Ukraine war efforts and China supports Russian war efforts . Every body knows that.
That depends on if China can solve EU anger on Chinese car
Chinese can not afford German cars anymore. Get out!
I want to see 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs, don’t back off.
The clowns of the West never cease to amaze me
The producer should tell that anchor she's not hosting a kindergarten show.
Cope harder lmao
Tensed relationship
A lot of lie
Eu trying to Side with china than US nowadays but Chinese are All weather ally of Russia interesting
Germany finance minister and foreign minster are the best!
Simply put, you can't have everything your way all the time. You can choose what you like with your own believe and others can't have it their way.. Grow up and behave like human.
every country free to do business to any country, don',t lecture one way or the other.
stop being colonialism.
Here come the imperialists.... standing tall and mighty. Lecturing us in Global south ..... telling us what to do....... tell you what, you can go fly kite...
Bye bye China Market & cheap Russian energy.
EUROPEAN NEO CONS ARE GOING TO AND NOT CHINA TO EUROPE AND CHINA GOT MORE CUSTOMERS IN THE SOUTH AND EUROPEAN ECONOMY IS BROKEN 😅😅😅
considering the long borders between china and Russia.
can china jion NATO ?
Young Global Leader from World Economic Forum= 🪄🧠🤖🕹️🪖
Before the war between Russia and Ukraine, there had been trade exchanges between China and Russia, and this has been the case for many years. Why, when you two countries are at war, do you force the Chinese not to do business? Then, will you compensate for the losses of Chinese enterprises caused by this? How will the common people who rely on China-Russia trade make a living?The most ridiculous thing is that Germany is still quietly purchasing Russian oil. Among the accessories and dual-use products of Russian weapons and equipment, 60% come from the United States and the West. It's too absurd and bullying!
I thought the minister should have met his Chinese counterpart and be satisfied with that. Why should a junior official insist on meeting Prime Minister?
Потому что европейцы и американцы считают себя выше остальных народов. Сейчас, на Украине, русским приходится в очередной раз ставить их на свое место! В Китае это понимают очень хорошо!
Why did Habeck have to fly thousands of miles to Beijing just to quarrel? Next time, it would be better for him to pick up the phone instead, which would at least save some carbon emissions for the planet.
You can’t go Hollidays by taxpayers on the phone!
Oh yeah. I bet he had a great time.
Exactly what the Chinese thought!
We saw muted EU during covid in EU.
He is going to China because there are issues to be talked about. Issues that M. missed for 16 years.
Why is he wasting time in China? What’s there to negotiate? Why is he angry of China’s support for Russia but he’s okay with the USA’s support for Israel?
US told them that they should be angry
Democratic countries should have very limited economic relationship with authoritarian regimes.
Because dw news is owned and is biased, and eu need to do what their masters tell them the big USA
AntiSemetic and AntiAmerican are we?!?!
@@jankowalyk7301 So if it's you, do you want a democratic ally or an authoritarian one….
So is a trade war or because of Ukraine? Make up your mind
It's because one of the parties is a pirate
Both
No, it is a negotiation that is going to take place on the trade issue. Taking big security issues makes total sense to involve, seeing that we have a war on our soil.
Correct!!!
China foreign policy is very much on peace, trades and investments.
Habeck can't differentiate between peace and messy war in Europe.
@@TheKkpop1 Trade is about trust.
Why is China singled out in "support" when EU and Japan still buy gas from Russia, so is India. Just ditch US led NATO and talked peace if you are losing the fight
Even USA still trades with Russia😂
Hypocrisy from the sunrise to the sunset. UE are just the US puppet.
@@zhaolei6650 . Indeed the US has bought Russian uranium in 2023, and I bet that will be reported for 2024 too, when the data for 2024 comes in. The West is so far gone in hypocrisy that their brains are already fried dead with their own narratives.
Arrogamt europeans want to tell china how to conduct relationship with other countries e.g russia
let the europeans demand what they want in vain, at the end China will do what is in its best interests
Tell X
Dictate ✓
The war towards Ukraine is harmful to Europe, and supporting the man and the country who started that war is supporting the war.
Telling somebody whom he can befriend and whom not, is insane.
@@HTeo-og1lg Who did that?
He should feel happy if a vice premier meets him. Expecting to meet the premier shows the German still think that they are a higher class.
That premier has just come back from a whirlwind tour to NZ, Australia and Malaysia, meeting leaders there discussing serious stuff. And this economic minister is thinking he is so important wanting to vent his anger on that premier on a small trade with Russia. He can go fly kite.
@@Libochl like your "fly kite" ending.
You send leopards, ammunition, missiles to Ukraine but you forbid China to have bilateral trade with Russia ? Are you insane ?
The EU slapped Tariffs first so..
China decided to use unfair trade practice🤷
And China started unfair trade practice first, so..
China has tariffs on car imports as well. So China has nothing to complain about.
@@thegreatdane3627first both have tariffs, this is an EXTRA one. Second, china’s tariff is basing on displacement rather than where the cars are made. Third, the tariffs were negotiated and agreed by both sides. If EU think it is unfair now, they should ask for re-negotiations. Last, EU can do want they want, but when China does the same thing for example tax the pork, please don’t complain.
@@MsLUFC No it didn't. China was operating under the financial and trade practices implemented by the west, created when the west were economic hegemons. Now that China is surpassing the west the old colonialists want to rewrite the rules so as to get privileged legislation at the renewed detriment of the global south.
West want China to sanction Russia 😂😂😂😂 this is a child argument.
Sad to connect business transactions to geo-political reality and cold war mentality !
Since it is a negotiation it is completely fair to involve security issues for europe in the mix
@@carolinerondon8934 Then the EU should immediately stop using Russian oil and gas first before lecturing someone else.
China wants peace
China wants trade
EUNATO want China to choose a side in both wars, their side
EUNATO can not compete with China economically so they pull out the tariff / sanction card
BRICS+ is the future
@@winsonip4447landlocked countries in the east do not easily move away from the pipes already in place. They first have to build infrastructure to move away and this takes time.
@@ronnie917 logic always ready for colonist but not for others .. they only have to listen .. oh..ballllls
EU is becoming a joke
And DW together with it.
Us vassell state
China is becoming a crybaby.
@@warnpassion without china and chinese products you can't live 😂
@@cowubl That's because the West decided to outsource all of its manufacturing to China. That's going to change soon. Get ready to starve for you're soon going to lose a massive market to sell your products.
German lost cheap russian energy and china market so good luck
they can still buy US weapons...so lucky
The worst part is, that this childish guy (Habeck) is still allowed to represent and embarrass Germans all over the world
Germany is not actually a sovereign country. It does the bidding of its US masters at Langley.
The fact that this man (and his party comrade Baerbock) were even elected to such offices is a result of the feminization infantilization of German society
This Wumao is not even German
@@tasreasfatemsa8266😂😂😂😂
its not just that guy, Ursula von der lugn och whle europe is the laghuing stock of the world!
I thought he was going to accuse China of bombing Nordstream LOL
hehe, he might as well said it, while well understand the west are such a bunch of liars