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It may seem that way! But there are a lot of great instructors out there, and releasing the content for free has helped me get away with a loooot of slip-ups over the years. All the same, I appreciate the kind words!
Uncomfortable says not to use different colours. He made the following reply to another person who asked about using coloured pencils to differentiate boxes: "For the differentiation of the boxes, I wouldn't. As you progress through this course you're going to have to deal with a lot of cases where you have to pick your way through a forest of lines. This increases with the lessons, so what you're encountering here is a fairly simple form of it. By getting used to it here, and as it increases throughout the course, you'll find your ability to handle it, as well as the challenge it poses, will increase. If however you try to avoid it by using different colours here, that difficulty level will increase, but you will not have the practice to deal with it."
i was getting a bit confused at first because of so many lines . But its really fun now that i have got a hang of it . Thank you so much for for your lectures.
Yes, mine too. I have brain ache. How are you going with it? I've only just started the boxes today but I've been looking at videos over the last couple of days just trying to understand it.
After months of restarting, taking breaks due to life, I finally made it. I painstakingly took notes of EACH section on printer paper and the boxes portion was super in depth. Is it crazy that this sort of looks fun because in my notes I sorta accidently already did it trying to copy the images from the lesson? I even found the same mistakes you pointed out.
I really wish the section at 3:39 was put in the additional notes at lesson 1-10. Been stuck grasping that part of the text for 3 days and all I got was a headache... I'm just kinda sad now, to move on to the page ahead and immediately see a more intelligible explanation of the concept.
Well I had a try at two boxes with all the lines in the top rectangle (one on each side of the rectangle) but couldn't "see" my boxes. So I drew a third one in a new rectangle and after drawing all the lines I erased the lines which weren't the box and I can now "see" the box and it makes a lot more sense to me. I've now hatched the closest face of box and darkened the lines which would be seen so that the "invisible" lines are lighter. I think this will help me a lot doing the proper exercise because I now know what to look for that is the box. (Edited to add: I've looked at my first two which still have all the lines and I can actually see the boxes!!!) I understand the reason for doing multiple boxes in one rectangle and having all the lines the same colour because it will train my eye but I think I'm going to have to build up to getting 4 of 5 in one rectangle. It's definitely challenging.
I started to follow the lectures 2 weeks ago - thanks for the amazing material! I have a question regarding distortion. As I understand you state that a lot of distortion occurs when the object is drawn close to a vanishing point. Isn't it actually when the vanishing points (VP) are too close, such that the fov is too wide? For instance, in "1 point perspective" (so 2nd VP infinitely far away), there is no distortion right? Not a critique, I just feel I need some clarification there to be sure I get it. Bonus question: could one get a step further and state that in order to avoid distortion there should be at most one VP in the picture frame? -Thanks again for the amazing work.
While you're technically correct about the initial point, it's not in a way that is taking into consideration the context in which this exercise as well as the explanation pertaining to distortion is given. In the top-down diagram defining the station point and explaining the placement of those VPs, it's specifically pertaining to vanishing points that define angles of 45 degrees to either side of the viewer. That's not to say other vanishing points can't also exist, but that what we're doing here is establishing the nature of the space itself (and therefore defining specific VPs that govern lines oriented in specific ways). As to your bonus question, having a single vanishing point in the frame would imply that every object drawn in the scene is aligned in a very specific fashion - such that it's aligned parallel to the ground plane, and perpendicularly to the angle the viewer is looking, which would force both the other horizontal VP and the vertical VP to infinity. The number of vanishing points that exist (both infinite or non-infinite) are dictated by the number of sets of parallel edges that exist in the scene. So a box would necessitate 3 vanishing points (since it's made up of three sets of edges). Up to two of those vanishing points can be infinite, resulting in just one concrete vanishing point that would also be visible in the frame, but that would only be achieved by actually orienting the box in a specific manner. And of course we can also have the other two vanishing points be non-infinite, but far enough away that they're not in frame, but that would also still imply a certain range of accepted orientations for our box. Any situation where you're deciding things based on how many vanishing points you want (for whatever reason, whether it's to avoid distortion or anything else) will probably result in you looking at the problem from the wrong end. Rather, we first should be considering how we want our objects to be oriented in space, which will determine the orientation of the sets of edges that are in the scene, and therefore will determine how many VPs there are and where they should be. The desire to avoid distortion - which is an entirely normal aspect of how vision works - should not be making choices for you.
I felt on this vedio like a hard material that ive been lazy to start bcs its too scary xD I literally did just draw random thing for the last week not starting these till now xD i hope i will do it tomorrow as i got what i need to do . Wish me luck boys
i like how every lesson further there are less and less views because i know im pushing through where most stop. Sucks for everyone else who gave up though
Yeah, i noticed that too and i'm proud of myself for not quit or throw this to the trashcan too early, like, i actually GONNA LEARN how to draw, whatever it takes.
I don't understand the diagram that suddenly shows up at 4:46, ABOVE where he's been drawing the field of vision between Vanishing Points. I see that it has the same width as is between the Vanishing Points below, and the same ~2/3 division representing the 60° arc for the main part of the field of vision as the below diagram. But I don't understand the lines within it, or how they relate to the diagram we watched him draw.
Sounds like you understood the vast majority of it - the diagram there is just showing an example of a box drawn using those same vanishing points. The main focus is illustrating the picture plane and its proportions, but an empty picture plane wouldn't really sell the idea.
Hello! I was wondering if it's permissible to use colored pens to differentiate the boxes? And should I still do the exercises even after I completed the homework and perhaps use it as a way to improve or do you not recommend that? (I apologize if I'm not making any sense with my second question. I'm not a native English speaker so I hope you understand.
Your questions are entirely clear, so no worries there. For the differentiation of the boxes, I wouldn't. As you progress through this course you're going to have to deal with a lot of cases where you have to pick your way through a forest of lines. This increases with the lessons, so what you're encountering here is a fairly simple form of it. By getting used to it here, and as it increases throughout the course, you'll find your ability to handle it, as well as the challenge it poses, will increase. If however you try to avoid it by using different colours here, that difficulty level will increase, but you will not have the practice to deal with it. As to the second question, warmups (which consist of the exercises from lessons we've already completed) are indeed a major part of this course, as explained here in Lesson 0: drawabox.com/lesson/0/3/warmups
@Uncomfortable Tysm ❤️. And I apologize for being redundant on the second question. I picked up the course again from where I left off after a couple of months so I forgot about that.
What do you hatch when my boxes are inside of each other? or was I not supposed to draw any where they actually are inside each other? This part is confusing me, it's not all my boxes just a few I drew this way to challenge myself and now I don't know what to do
If your boxes end up inside one another, that's fine. You'd apply hatching to the surfaces that are external, and would skip over the parts that end up inside or otherwise blocked from view by another volume.
@@Uncomfortable hey thanks so much! I also noticed I use a "pulling motion" from the shoulder to draw all of my lines, and rotate my page so that I do this movement instead of a "pushing motion". Is this ok or should I be practicing both strokes?
@@paige4079 You can generally trust that insofar as achieving the goals of this course, anything we don't discuss (like pushing vs pulling) isn't really going to be relevant, so you don't need to add additional layers of concern to deal with them. While I have seen some discourse on pulling vs. pushing, it's not something I've ever found to really make much of a difference. Pick whatever feels most comfortable to you - but more importantly, focus on the instructions we do provide, and try not to worry about things that aren't covered within them unless you're genuinely hitting some kind of roadblock in applying them.
It's an accumulation of little mistakes in lining everything else up correctly (to the end points of other edges, to the VPs, etc.) that ultimately will manifest most obviously when having to solve the final piece of the puzzle that brings it all together. I talk about this in the video at around the 9:00 mark.
@@AyanGohan don't worry too much about that. Even those who understand some of the theory we introduce in the lectures, are likely going to forget it. The actual understanding is developed by doing the exercises to the best of your ability, and by seeking feedback in our community you'll be able to catch any misunderstandings that persist. We provide the theory because some students just refuse to try the exercises without having things explained... Even if we know the explanations won't really take root without the exercises. So, we do what we can to get students to those exercises, even if it means providing a lot of extra info. Just do your best to follow the instructions for the exercises, and be sure to use one of our various options for feedback (most of which are free), and you'll be fine.
I’m having a really difficult time discerning which box is which after I draw 2 or more boxes due to all of the lines. I’m wondering, is this exercise supposed to feel difficult in this manner? I understand that’s it’s new and will be a challenge but I’m unsure if I’m working in the right way. Like how in the funnels lesson, the goal wasn’t to freehand curves and we could use something else to help with it. I suppose the cluttered page forces me to think about where my line will be, which is part of mark making skill. I ask because I don’t really see anyone else talking about similar struggles
Yeah, that's an entirely normal experience with the exercise. Among other things, it's the first introduction to that issue which honestly will be further worsened throughout the course - but you'll also adapt to it, with your eyes being able to pick out the lines you want more easily from a forest with experience. All that is to say, don't worry too much about it - it is entirely normal and expected, and while it isn't mentioned super often, it is a pretty consistent thing all students face to some degree.
I get that question a lot. Honestly it's not special, just a ruler, but since people frequently ask we've added it to our recommendations page here: drawabox.com/recommendations/gridruler
@@Uncomfortable Alright, thanks Comfy! I've just finished the first frame with 5 boxes. I was a bit worried at first but it wasn't that bad. Just gotta keep track of *all the lines*
While it's fine as long as the faces you're hatching face towards the viewer, it doesn't really provide any additional benefit as far as the exercise is concerned. Hatching one face provides enough of a visual cue to tell the viewer which sides are facing them and which are facing away, and adding hatching to another such face won't really make that *more* clear. It helps to think of these things as tools meant to achieve a given purpose, and to consider whether that purpose has already been achieved.
That's a very common issue - it's something you will steadily get used to as you face it more, although it's also something that you'll face to greater degrees the deeper into the course you get.
Thank you for the course and all the effort you put in, but just a piece of constructive criticism. For some background, I'm an educator. I have a masters degree in Education and have been teaching English for 4 years now across every grade band. I've noticed your explanations can get too verbose and you often throw a lot of loaded vocabulary at the viewer. You are an expert so you probably don't realize it to a certain extent, but when you say (and I'm paraphrasing here) "The picture plane is actually 2/3's of the space between the two vanishing points", you are going to lose a ton of people because that is a very loaded statement. It has multiple qualifiers that don't mean anything on their own, so you must relate them to one another. That slows down comprehension, especially when you do it back to back multiple times in a 15 minute video. I'm genuinely not trying to be an A-hole, I love the course and the gargantuan effort it must have taken to set it all up, but I just wanted to point it out because it's a sentiment I've picked up reading some of the comments. You are probably already aware and its likely unavoidable to a certain extent, but I figured I'd just say it anyway. Thanks for the course, looking forward to the boxes challenge soon.
Thanks for the feedback - and yeah, I agree that I am often very verbose, and while I try to keep a lid on it, it's a lot like relearning how to walk. In a lot of cases my longwindedness comes from having to cover a lot of possible interpretations students may have of what I say, although the example you highlighted is definitely one of those cases where I got ahead of myself and used terminology that the student wouldn't necessarily know in isolation.
I believe it's the Westcott LetterCraft 8ths 18-Inch Beveled Transparent Ruler. Should be able to find it on amazon, if that's something you have access to.
i dont understand how this exercise relates to the previous lectures on perspective. what does the inconsistent displacement of VP's on a flat page as the box rotates got to do with this exercise?
The boxes section of Lesson 1 covers a lot of concepts. This exercise pertains to the concepts introduced earlier in the lecture material, its goal being specifically to get those students who may not be familiar or comfortable with the concept of a vanishing point to put them into use without much else to distract them.
I did it for 3 hours and ruined all by ugly shading T-T sad. Also funny mistaken all over the place, first started this shading diagonals with a ruler cause ScyllaStew on record did this with a ruler, but i rereaded and it was a mistake probably cause recording was old, eh, also even with a ruler i ruined this with wrong order of 'shading' and trying to fix this . Then without a ruler just ugly...
It may be hell, but between this and your comment on another video, you're clearly pushing through - and that's what's most important. A lot of the theory we introduce is definitely going to go over your head, but I assure you it's not what's important. It's not the theory that matters, but rather the understanding you develop in *doing* the exercises (and not just once, but over lots of time - the homework is just to ensure that you understand the instructions, so you can continue to practice it in your own going forward). Some students are fine with next to no theory, while others refuse to move forwards without having everything explained - even though they're not in a position to grasp it. As a result of trying to get people what they need to just get them to move onto the exercises, we had to decide between providing less theory vs. more theory, and ultimately we decided it was better off to provide more and keep reminding students that they don't need to get it right now, than to leave people feeling like the explanations weren't given. But here's the kicker - all of the theory doesn't even need to be understood by those who are actively working professionals. All the mechanics of vanishing points, how they slide at different rates as things rotate, and so forth, I did not know or understand when I was working as a concept artist and illustrator. I only went back and spent tons of time trying to understand it because my responsibilities were shifting more towards teaching - and it's the teachers who have to understand that stuff, so they can explain things accurately. The professional however is always relying on concepts they understand on a subconscious level - they may not grasp exactly *why* things work the way they do, but it's through all of the mileage and experience that they can just rely on their instincts, while focusing their mental resources on the *what* of what they're drawing, rather than the how. That's what allows us to focus on designing and creating interesting things, rather than getting caught up in everything being hyper-accurate and correct.
@@Uncomfortable i loving the videos and i really appreciate what your doing, you are a great teacher and a very noble person to make this content for free!!
@@rayanecassia9479 Back when youtube allowed viewers to submit their own subtitles on a voluntary basis, I'd always approve them for exactly that reason - but since that feature was removed, it definitely put us in a tricky spot. As it stands, especially as we're still (very, very slowly since it's against the continuous flow of homework submissions and community management that takes up most of our resources) working through a steady overhaul of the course material (currently we're tackling Lesson 2), translation is something that we won't be tackling for a good long while. That said, we do have a very helpful discord chat server where, if you run into any confusion with the wording I use in the videos, you'll definitely be able to find clarification. You'll find it here: discord.gg/drawabox
i think it's because pencils cover up messed up lines giving the illusion of being drawing correctly. i used pencil for first lesson and got a fine liner after. i noticed ALOT more mistakes with it, since the lines were thin and made it very clear when you messed up, rather than blending together like a pencil thats not as noticable and thicker
Uncomfortable says not to use coloured pens and gave this explanation to another commenter: "For the differentiation of the boxes, I wouldn't. As you progress through this course you're going to have to deal with a lot of cases where you have to pick your way through a forest of lines. This increases with the lessons, so what you're encountering here is a fairly simple form of it. By getting used to it here, and as it increases throughout the course, you'll find your ability to handle it, as well as the challenge it poses, will increase. If however you try to avoid it by using different colours here, that difficulty level will increase, but you will not have the practice to deal with it."
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You are one of the best teacher I've ever had man
It may seem that way! But there are a lot of great instructors out there, and releasing the content for free has helped me get away with a loooot of slip-ups over the years. All the same, I appreciate the kind words!
aw heck yeah, i just started this lesson and im blessed with an updated video
wow, an updated video? i literally just finished this exercise but im watching this just to make sure I didn’t miss out on anything :p
If you have colored fine liners, you can make each box a different color. It will help you keep track of what you're doing.
Uncomfortable says not to use different colours. He made the following reply to another person who asked about using coloured pencils to differentiate boxes:
"For the differentiation of the boxes, I wouldn't. As you progress through this course you're going to have to deal with a lot of cases where you have to pick your way through a forest of lines. This increases with the lessons, so what you're encountering here is a fairly simple form of it.
By getting used to it here, and as it increases throughout the course, you'll find your ability to handle it, as well as the challenge it poses, will increase. If however you try to avoid it by using different colours here, that difficulty level will increase, but you will not have the practice to deal with it."
i was getting a bit confused at first because of so many lines . But its really fun now that i have got a hang of it . Thank you so much for for your lectures.
Really appreciate all the updated videos!
Wait wha- 10 hours ago💀this is amazing, just started the course few days ago
I get back into drawabox after a long time and just one day later there is a new upload lol.
This is where the fun begins.
I just drew a box today. And a bunch of other boxes. Thank you
This course is working my brain muscle really hard 😂
Yes, mine too. I have brain ache. How are you going with it? I've only just started the boxes today but I've been looking at videos over the last couple of days just trying to understand it.
After months of restarting, taking breaks due to life, I finally made it. I painstakingly took notes of EACH section on printer paper and the boxes portion was super in depth. Is it crazy that this sort of looks fun because in my notes I sorta accidently already did it trying to copy the images from the lesson? I even found the same mistakes you pointed out.
Amazing, Just what i needed
This one was actually fun to do!
I really wish the section at 3:39 was put in the additional notes at lesson 1-10.
Been stuck grasping that part of the text for 3 days and all I got was a headache...
I'm just kinda sad now, to move on to the page ahead and immediately see a more intelligible explanation of the concept.
Thank you for the videos showing how to perform the exercise! Which ruler are you using and what length....a westcott?
Well I had a try at two boxes with all the lines in the top rectangle (one on each side of the rectangle) but couldn't "see" my boxes. So I drew a third one in a new rectangle and after drawing all the lines I erased the lines which weren't the box and I can now "see" the box and it makes a lot more sense to me. I've now hatched the closest face of box and darkened the lines which would be seen so that the "invisible" lines are lighter. I think this will help me a lot doing the proper exercise because I now know what to look for that is the box. (Edited to add: I've looked at my first two which still have all the lines and I can actually see the boxes!!!)
I understand the reason for doing multiple boxes in one rectangle and having all the lines the same colour because it will train my eye but I think I'm going to have to build up to getting 4 of 5 in one rectangle. It's definitely challenging.
I started to follow the lectures 2 weeks ago - thanks for the amazing material! I have a question regarding distortion. As I understand you state that a lot of distortion occurs when the object is drawn close to a vanishing point. Isn't it actually when the vanishing points (VP) are too close, such that the fov is too wide? For instance, in "1 point perspective" (so 2nd VP infinitely far away), there is no distortion right? Not a critique, I just feel I need some clarification there to be sure I get it. Bonus question: could one get a step further and state that in order to avoid distortion there should be at most one VP in the picture frame? -Thanks again for the amazing work.
While you're technically correct about the initial point, it's not in a way that is taking into consideration the context in which this exercise as well as the explanation pertaining to distortion is given. In the top-down diagram defining the station point and explaining the placement of those VPs, it's specifically pertaining to vanishing points that define angles of 45 degrees to either side of the viewer.
That's not to say other vanishing points can't also exist, but that what we're doing here is establishing the nature of the space itself (and therefore defining specific VPs that govern lines oriented in specific ways).
As to your bonus question, having a single vanishing point in the frame would imply that every object drawn in the scene is aligned in a very specific fashion - such that it's aligned parallel to the ground plane, and perpendicularly to the angle the viewer is looking, which would force both the other horizontal VP and the vertical VP to infinity. The number of vanishing points that exist (both infinite or non-infinite) are dictated by the number of sets of parallel edges that exist in the scene. So a box would necessitate 3 vanishing points (since it's made up of three sets of edges). Up to two of those vanishing points can be infinite, resulting in just one concrete vanishing point that would also be visible in the frame, but that would only be achieved by actually orienting the box in a specific manner. And of course we can also have the other two vanishing points be non-infinite, but far enough away that they're not in frame, but that would also still imply a certain range of accepted orientations for our box.
Any situation where you're deciding things based on how many vanishing points you want (for whatever reason, whether it's to avoid distortion or anything else) will probably result in you looking at the problem from the wrong end. Rather, we first should be considering how we want our objects to be oriented in space, which will determine the orientation of the sets of edges that are in the scene, and therefore will determine how many VPs there are and where they should be. The desire to avoid distortion - which is an entirely normal aspect of how vision works - should not be making choices for you.
I felt on this vedio like a hard material that ive been lazy to start bcs its too scary xD
I literally did just draw random thing for the last week not starting these till now xD i hope i will do it tomorrow as i got what i need to do . Wish me luck boys
This one is pretty enjoyable, especially adding the hatching
i like how every lesson further there are less and less views because i know im pushing through where most stop. Sucks for everyone else who gave up though
Yeah, i noticed that too and i'm proud of myself for not quit or throw this to the trashcan too early, like, i actually GONNA LEARN how to draw, whatever it takes.
Same here, pushing along cause it's my dream to make art!
I don't understand the diagram that suddenly shows up at 4:46, ABOVE where he's been drawing the field of vision between Vanishing Points. I see that it has the same width as is between the Vanishing Points below, and the same ~2/3 division representing the 60° arc for the main part of the field of vision as the below diagram. But I don't understand the lines within it, or how they relate to the diagram we watched him draw.
Sounds like you understood the vast majority of it - the diagram there is just showing an example of a box drawn using those same vanishing points. The main focus is illustrating the picture plane and its proportions, but an empty picture plane wouldn't really sell the idea.
Hello! I was wondering if it's permissible to use colored pens to differentiate the boxes? And should I still do the exercises even after I completed the homework and perhaps use it as a way to improve or do you not recommend that? (I apologize if I'm not making any sense with my second question. I'm not a native English speaker so I hope you understand.
Your questions are entirely clear, so no worries there. For the differentiation of the boxes, I wouldn't. As you progress through this course you're going to have to deal with a lot of cases where you have to pick your way through a forest of lines. This increases with the lessons, so what you're encountering here is a fairly simple form of it.
By getting used to it here, and as it increases throughout the course, you'll find your ability to handle it, as well as the challenge it poses, will increase. If however you try to avoid it by using different colours here, that difficulty level will increase, but you will not have the practice to deal with it.
As to the second question, warmups (which consist of the exercises from lessons we've already completed) are indeed a major part of this course, as explained here in Lesson 0: drawabox.com/lesson/0/3/warmups
@Uncomfortable Tysm ❤️. And I apologize for being redundant on the second question. I picked up the course again from where I left off after a couple of months so I forgot about that.
Let's do this!
What do you hatch when my boxes are inside of each other? or was I not supposed to draw any where they actually are inside each other? This part is confusing me, it's not all my boxes just a few I drew this way to challenge myself and now I don't know what to do
If your boxes end up inside one another, that's fine. You'd apply hatching to the surfaces that are external, and would skip over the parts that end up inside or otherwise blocked from view by another volume.
@@Uncomfortable hey thanks so much! I also noticed I use a "pulling motion" from the shoulder to draw all of my lines, and rotate my page so that I do this movement instead of a "pushing motion". Is this ok or should I be practicing both strokes?
@@paige4079 You can generally trust that insofar as achieving the goals of this course, anything we don't discuss (like pushing vs pulling) isn't really going to be relevant, so you don't need to add additional layers of concern to deal with them. While I have seen some discourse on pulling vs. pushing, it's not something I've ever found to really make much of a difference. Pick whatever feels most comfortable to you - but more importantly, focus on the instructions we do provide, and try not to worry about things that aren't covered within them unless you're genuinely hitting some kind of roadblock in applying them.
That last line has me all sorts of confused.
i know the point isn’t to have perfect precision, but what exactly goes “wrong” here where the final line doesn’t line up exactly
It's an accumulation of little mistakes in lining everything else up correctly (to the end points of other edges, to the VPs, etc.) that ultimately will manifest most obviously when having to solve the final piece of the puzzle that brings it all together. I talk about this in the video at around the 9:00 mark.
Is anybody else struggling with this? :(
You got this.
naturally you will if it's your first time learning or doing it, it's just the process. continue to do so and over time you'll understand
Me
Yes, just keep on goin'
Yes haha but we'll go through
Hey just asking i understood nothing on the box info things before :( i womder if that will be a problemn?
@@AyanGohan don't worry too much about that. Even those who understand some of the theory we introduce in the lectures, are likely going to forget it. The actual understanding is developed by doing the exercises to the best of your ability, and by seeking feedback in our community you'll be able to catch any misunderstandings that persist.
We provide the theory because some students just refuse to try the exercises without having things explained... Even if we know the explanations won't really take root without the exercises. So, we do what we can to get students to those exercises, even if it means providing a lot of extra info.
Just do your best to follow the instructions for the exercises, and be sure to use one of our various options for feedback (most of which are free), and you'll be fine.
I’m having a really difficult time discerning which box is which after I draw 2 or more boxes due to all of the lines. I’m wondering, is this exercise supposed to feel difficult in this manner? I understand that’s it’s new and will be a challenge but I’m unsure if I’m working in the right way. Like how in the funnels lesson, the goal wasn’t to freehand curves and we could use something else to help with it.
I suppose the cluttered page forces me to think about where my line will be, which is part of mark making skill. I ask because I don’t really see anyone else talking about similar struggles
Yeah, that's an entirely normal experience with the exercise. Among other things, it's the first introduction to that issue which honestly will be further worsened throughout the course - but you'll also adapt to it, with your eyes being able to pick out the lines you want more easily from a forest with experience. All that is to say, don't worry too much about it - it is entirely normal and expected, and while it isn't mentioned super often, it is a pretty consistent thing all students face to some degree.
What brand is that ruler, I cant seem to find a similar one, I really like your one
I get that question a lot. Honestly it's not special, just a ruler, but since people frequently ask we've added it to our recommendations page here: drawabox.com/recommendations/gridruler
@@Uncomfortable it's the grid that goes the whole width, I ordered one, not the same as yours but hopefully it does the job
So I can draw all the lines here with a ruler? No ghosting them or anything?
@@galloviking4766 Yup, this exercise does not involve freehanding your linework.
@@Uncomfortable Alright, thanks Comfy! I've just finished the first frame with 5 boxes. I was a bit worried at first but it wasn't that bad. Just gotta keep track of *all the lines*
Hello ,so we cant hatch both visible sides of a box, just one right?
While it's fine as long as the faces you're hatching face towards the viewer, it doesn't really provide any additional benefit as far as the exercise is concerned. Hatching one face provides enough of a visual cue to tell the viewer which sides are facing them and which are facing away, and adding hatching to another such face won't really make that *more* clear. It helps to think of these things as tools meant to achieve a given purpose, and to consider whether that purpose has already been achieved.
I always get the lines mixed when there's too many close together
That's a very common issue - it's something you will steadily get used to as you face it more, although it's also something that you'll face to greater degrees the deeper into the course you get.
Thank you for the course and all the effort you put in, but just a piece of constructive criticism. For some background, I'm an educator. I have a masters degree in Education and have been teaching English for 4 years now across every grade band. I've noticed your explanations can get too verbose and you often throw a lot of loaded vocabulary at the viewer. You are an expert so you probably don't realize it to a certain extent, but when you say (and I'm paraphrasing here) "The picture plane is actually 2/3's of the space between the two vanishing points", you are going to lose a ton of people because that is a very loaded statement. It has multiple qualifiers that don't mean anything on their own, so you must relate them to one another. That slows down comprehension, especially when you do it back to back multiple times in a 15 minute video.
I'm genuinely not trying to be an A-hole, I love the course and the gargantuan effort it must have taken to set it all up, but I just wanted to point it out because it's a sentiment I've picked up reading some of the comments. You are probably already aware and its likely unavoidable to a certain extent, but I figured I'd just say it anyway. Thanks for the course, looking forward to the boxes challenge soon.
Thanks for the feedback - and yeah, I agree that I am often very verbose, and while I try to keep a lid on it, it's a lot like relearning how to walk. In a lot of cases my longwindedness comes from having to cover a lot of possible interpretations students may have of what I say, although the example you highlighted is definitely one of those cases where I got ahead of myself and used terminology that the student wouldn't necessarily know in isolation.
Myself I am not a native speaker. C1 level rn and I understood kinda everything. If that helps.@@Uncomfortable
@@crotolamo1 I'm glad to hear that.
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It doesn't teach me how to draw a moving box , i am trying to understand
Initially ok easy enough, but damn by the time I got to the last 2 boxes I couldn't tell where the vertical edges where.
i thought you had to freehand every line except the borders and the first line until I watched this video
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what ruler is that tho
I believe it's the Westcott LetterCraft 8ths 18-Inch Beveled Transparent Ruler. Should be able to find it on amazon, if that's something you have access to.
i dont understand how this exercise relates to the previous lectures on perspective. what does the inconsistent displacement of VP's on a flat page as the box rotates got to do with this exercise?
The boxes section of Lesson 1 covers a lot of concepts. This exercise pertains to the concepts introduced earlier in the lecture material, its goal being specifically to get those students who may not be familiar or comfortable with the concept of a vanishing point to put them into use without much else to distract them.
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my head hurts ( a good hurt)
I did it for 3 hours and ruined all by ugly shading T-T sad. Also funny mistaken all over the place, first started this shading diagonals with a ruler cause
ScyllaStew on record did this with a ruler, but i rereaded and it was a mistake probably cause recording was old, eh, also even with a ruler i ruined this with wrong order of 'shading' and trying to fix this . Then without a ruler just ugly...
omg this is hell........................
It may be hell, but between this and your comment on another video, you're clearly pushing through - and that's what's most important. A lot of the theory we introduce is definitely going to go over your head, but I assure you it's not what's important. It's not the theory that matters, but rather the understanding you develop in *doing* the exercises (and not just once, but over lots of time - the homework is just to ensure that you understand the instructions, so you can continue to practice it in your own going forward).
Some students are fine with next to no theory, while others refuse to move forwards without having everything explained - even though they're not in a position to grasp it. As a result of trying to get people what they need to just get them to move onto the exercises, we had to decide between providing less theory vs. more theory, and ultimately we decided it was better off to provide more and keep reminding students that they don't need to get it right now, than to leave people feeling like the explanations weren't given.
But here's the kicker - all of the theory doesn't even need to be understood by those who are actively working professionals. All the mechanics of vanishing points, how they slide at different rates as things rotate, and so forth, I did not know or understand when I was working as a concept artist and illustrator. I only went back and spent tons of time trying to understand it because my responsibilities were shifting more towards teaching - and it's the teachers who have to understand that stuff, so they can explain things accurately. The professional however is always relying on concepts they understand on a subconscious level - they may not grasp exactly *why* things work the way they do, but it's through all of the mileage and experience that they can just rely on their instincts, while focusing their mental resources on the *what* of what they're drawing, rather than the how.
That's what allows us to focus on designing and creating interesting things, rather than getting caught up in everything being hyper-accurate and correct.
@@Uncomfortable i loving the videos and i really appreciate what your doing, you are a great teacher and a very noble person to make this content for free!!
@@rayanecassia9479 Back when youtube allowed viewers to submit their own subtitles on a voluntary basis, I'd always approve them for exactly that reason - but since that feature was removed, it definitely put us in a tricky spot. As it stands, especially as we're still (very, very slowly since it's against the continuous flow of homework submissions and community management that takes up most of our resources) working through a steady overhaul of the course material (currently we're tackling Lesson 2), translation is something that we won't be tackling for a good long while.
That said, we do have a very helpful discord chat server where, if you run into any confusion with the wording I use in the videos, you'll definitely be able to find clarification. You'll find it here: discord.gg/drawabox
aw man i hate these lines
I just wanna say that using pen is stupid to using pens that are not colored is stupid too because you get lost he lose track of the lines
i think it's because pencils cover up messed up lines giving the illusion of being drawing correctly.
i used pencil for first lesson and got a fine liner after. i noticed ALOT more mistakes with it, since the lines were thin and made it very clear when you messed up, rather than blending together like a pencil thats not as noticable and thicker
Uncomfortable says not to use coloured pens and gave this explanation to another commenter:
"For the differentiation of the boxes, I wouldn't. As you progress through this course you're going to have to deal with a lot of cases where you have to pick your way through a forest of lines. This increases with the lessons, so what you're encountering here is a fairly simple form of it.
By getting used to it here, and as it increases throughout the course, you'll find your ability to handle it, as well as the challenge it poses, will increase. If however you try to avoid it by using different colours here, that difficulty level will increase, but you will not have the practice to deal with it."