'I regret the hostile environment' Theresa May tells Andrew Marr | LBC
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2023
- Andrew Marr sits down with Theresa May to discuss the Grenfell fire fallout, Suella Braverman's migrant rhetoric, and why her failed Brexit deal was better than Boris Johnson's.
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trying to back track on her legacy of been one of the most xenophobic and nasty home secretaries. Shes definitely been outdone by her successors
Exactly. Trying to rewrite history. The only reason she isn’t hated is because she has been outdone by Boris, Suella, Priti Patel, JRM, and Lizzy Truss
hear hear@@chichim2020
Her only achievement is being an even worse PM than Cameron
@@chichim2020she was the template for Patel and Braverman!
Migration is at an all time high. 200k per year. So how is this xenophobia exactly?
and what about the windrush generation? What about the british people who were forced out of the U.K., to places they have never been to or places they were born in but never lived in?
White flight ?
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She does not regret the use of the phrase 'hostile environment' as much as I regret my wife having to pay the NHS surcharge (which would not have been possible without the environment created by the Tories). We already pay National Insurance, but have to pay a surcharge just because she is foreign. Words have consequences. Awful women!
Me and my wife were on the same track. It's so painful. As soon as my wife gained citizenship we looked for work opportunities in her home country. We left the UK last year. We now make triple what we did in the UK and own property for the first time. I felt unwelcome in my own country because of how we were treated by the immigration system.
Best of luck with your immigration journey.
@@LordBillington42 well done on taking the leap wishing you a peaceful and prosperous future!
Exactly - I've seen friends turn their back on the UK due to this. I just hope Scotland gets independence so that there is a way to avoid institutional racism
She regrets the hostile environment?
Politicians are judged by what they cause, not by what they regret.
Sanitising your cruelty to Human Beings is not available to robots.
Well put
Well said 👍
British Citzens died in Jamaica under her policies In a country they did not know and with no living relatives
I give a fig for her apologies!
She deported the Windrush elderly grandpa. The Grenfell fire on her watch, she didn't do anything to help. Evil woman!
@@geezalee1677 her hostile environment shut down the nhs walk in centres to deprive johny foreigner of access to healthcare the fact that brits could have used those facilities was just a bonus!
I forgot what an utterly bizarre person May was 😅 More competent than most of her successors of course, but still an absolute disaster together with her party.
That's easy to do since all who have come since are the dregs of the barrel.
I would not say that she was at all competent, ever.
Totally incompetent. Worst pm ever for the uk
@@malcky630 Agree completely.
Was she? You have some twisted notions of competebce
A terrible Home Secretary and even worse PM now desperately trying to rehabilitate her legacy awful ☹️
Indeed can't imagine why her book is of interest to anyone.
Yep - and doesn't have a conservative bone in her body. She was fully signed up to the Blairite project.
Yes have nice pic
Don't they all! And once they leave Parliament all the money and accolades that come their way: rewards for all their failures. 😐
am sorry to say your absolutely right
Tells nurse's there's no magic money tree pulls 1. 5 billion for the dup from the magic money tree...
and 37bn for a spreadsheet that didnt work. which now counts as NHS budget even tho it went to private hands.
Paying for votes
Thanks Mrs May you let the country down. You picked party over country. Like many in the Conservative party
....both major parties are culpable in that...where have you been...!!?
@@chatham43 Sure! both sides!! 🤣😂
@@chatham43the old “they’re all as bad as each other “ chestnut 😂
@@chatham43 have you an example of a labour policy that has politicised and made state policy of xenophobia to back up that statement?
@@chingadapistolero Labour set a series of conditions for accepting the May era withdrawal agreement that had been designed, presumably, so that they would not have to accept the withdrawal agreement. The agreement May negotiated *in fact met every single one of Labour's conditions*. And Labour then pretended it didn't and rejected it. Why? Presumably for tribal political differentiation. It wasn't exactly acting in the national interest, was it, most especially bearing in mind what happened next.
And if you don't believe that, read the Irish Protocol from that time (which included the all-UK backstop). Literally everything Labour said was a condition -- no rollback on certain rights, environmental protections, etc, was written into it explicitly.
Never what was intended. Words have a meaning. Mrs May said exactly what she meant. Yet for Brexit she kept her ideas very quiet about was she was doing, until it landed in parliament.
and lets not forget all the nice contracts she passed to her hubbie's companies.
Totally agreed.
Brexit means Brexit 🤪😂
@@Anri6547 But, what does "Brexit" mean?
@@reaceness british exceptionalism, ignorance and xenofobia but for me as a non brit brexit means entertaiment 😅 its sad but true :P
6:05 Marr is being too chummy with May.
When she accused Bercow (6:18) of preventing her from putting 'the motion' before the house he should have challenged her. It is a principle of Parliament that once a motion has been put before the house and failed it cannot be resubmitted before the same Parliament, and Bercow enforced that. What May tried to do was effectively brow-beat Parliament into accepting her deal by multiple resubmissions.
He's a tory who participated in why we are in this mess.
Because they both share the political ideology. They are both Blairites.
@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat You mean they both believe in investing more in public services and reduce NHS waiting lists?
I hadn't realised that May was such a decent person.
@@frogandspanner No - I meant they believe in radically reworking all of the institutions of the UK - like what Blair did : legal system, education, devolution(why was I think intended to facilitate the break-up of the UK). A bourgeoise view of the UK, which despises its past heritage and culture.
@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat Why do you say "despises"?
The past is useful only insomuch as it benefits the future, so flag-waving obeyance is a foolish political device - the kind that the far right think we should follow.
Does she regret accusing the Police Federation of crying Wolf when they told her that austerity cuts to the service would lead to the problems we are now seeing?
Told them that they were reducing the investment and the amount of officers by what number...? 20,000... She told the MET to do "MORE WITH LESS".... Disgraceful! Now they're desperately trying to recruit the same amount of officers even though way more are resigning...
You could have another 100,000 police and the problems would persist because for the last number of decades the police have vacated their number one priority of preventing crime through street visibility. Instead, they prefer to be glorified fire fighters and social workers sitting behind computers screens and within station walls.
May is concerned about the latest laws regarding asylum seekers yet she actually voted FOR IT after criticising it. Now she’s criticising it again. If she believes it’s wrong, she should’ve stood on her morals and voted AGAINST it.
"You'd have to ask Boris" - why, is he going to tell the truth for once?
Of course not, but then neither would she.
Given Johnson's notoriety for mendacity both inside and outside Parliament the answer should've come easily to her.
There all lies wake up
Yes and pigs may fly!!! Boris is a continuous liar problem is he believes what he says is true, so it’s a hard one!!!!!!
Does she regret not ordering an investigation into the Russian backing of Brexit too ?
Yes we need to keep banging the drum on this. I hate way the government swept this under the rug.
@@AOK342 What would change if you know for sure that the Brits have been skewered by their own rulers and sold to Russia instead of just knowing?
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Are you really asking about the impact of knowing whether the Russian ran a massive disinformation campaign to sway a very close vote in favour or leave would have. The government knew people would re-open the debate and call for a second referendum but the cowards buried the report instead of seeking the truth and doing the right thing.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Legal action against any UK politician who facilitated or was aware of this, possibly, treasonous act of sedition, perhaps?
Wheres the proof?
A disgrace on dealing with Grenfell and thousands of Policeman made redundant under her watch.
It’s interesting to hear that Jacob Reese Mogg has been trying to commit unlawful acts at least as far back as May’s govt.
Totally agree. That guy is a total weasel and it shows it wasn't all Dom Cummings that was behind those ideas.
Mogg is a eel but more slippery..A nasty,greedy and very untrustworthy character..
I honestly never liked this women, but one nice thing i can say about her. Shes the last PM we had who felt like a PM, Boris, Truss and Sunak all feel like people who stumbled into a job they are not qualified for.
Yup! She's been looking like the last Tory PM since 2019
Exactly! Very well said.
Whilst I agree with you, it is worrying that the fact that she is the most recent PM that actually seems competant is making people forget how horrendous her and her government actually were.
@@BadgerBoy59 Precisely! She was competent evil, as opposed to the incompetent evil that was Johnson, the incompetent crazy that was Truss, and the incompetent banality that is Sunak.
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Truss's policies were so sociopathically libertarian, even the City Boys thought they were unworkable. Incompetent evil.
There is nothing about 'the first safe country'. One can claim asylum at the country of one's choosing.
Its now not a safe country for the Brits
She didn't need to invoke article 50. The Referendum was "Advisory" (it would have been challenged in court if it wasn't), so there was no obligation to bow to "the will of the People".
Exactly.
Boris would, regardless, people voted for Boris, massively, remember? Not invoking Article 50 would never have happened.
Especially when it was a split vote there was no majority.
Exactly. In 1979 there was a Scottish Independence referendum and they voted for Independence by 51.6% to 48.4%. This was deemed to thin a victory to act apon.
It was the will of the European Research Group and the Tufton Street mafia...
We voted for Brexit and channelled Article 50 immediately but we never really knew what that meant. Her contribution to the debate? "Brexit means Brexit."
"Red, white and blue Brexit", no less!
It took a whole year to send it. And then she had an election which created a hung parliament..
strong and stable. haha that was one.
I for one, will never forget how insidious she was. Through her language as PM, created the conditions and permission for hate on steroids.
Yep, she owns the hostile environment hate speech and consequent policy
From the time that the Conservatives came into power in coalition withe the Liberal Democrats a campaign was launched by Government vilify those on Social Security. I'm hoping a new Labour Government will come in with new policies that recognise that work is inappropriate for many people with serious health conditions, be caring and compassionate towards them and generous with financial support.
@@stephenbaxter3369 I hope too, but I think that it's like hoping for a miracle.
correct Bernard
Well said.
Someone seems to want to clean up her image.
The impossible is easy Miracles take a lot longer
She will live long in the memories of Caribbean families as the embodiment of the nasty party, their "crule environment ", seperating families with the Windrush Scandal, stripping british citizens of their rights to work, medical treatment, live dignified lives and thrive in their own country. Forcing many to places they have never called home, or seen as from they were young children. She never cried fornthe families of the Windrush generation, she never cried while families were having to use food banks. She was an Evil twisted crow.
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Was? She's not dead yet.
Your arguements are largely muted here. Im 2nd generation Windrush. So I dont need to repeat decades of Tory strategy to target anyone who is not white. And from England. Because they target scots and anybody else who isnt middle class shire white.
Wrong. They had to wait for their immigration papers like every immigrant does in any country.
@@ccr10833 dont talk like you know whats happened in my community, they were never immigrants they came here under the British empire as british citizens. Wally!
A hostile environment was the plan
Does she think we all suffer memory loss
Yes, it's a pathetic attempt at rehabilitating her image. That lady is for turning!
She never understood Brexit. To those who wanted it, it was all about hostility ..
You know that's not true
Well the folks that voted for it didn't either
@@danw5760 Do we? Because the observable evidence clearly backs that up. The Brexit ref was driven by hostility, division, & blatant bs.
@@danw5760, Tell that to Farage.
@@johnrussell3961 you lied mate, you're not a net positive with your dishonest rhetoric, so please don't take a high horse
Thanks to this… a friend of mine who moved to the UK aged 5 but through no fault of his own didn’t have passport spent 3 years unable to work and under threat of deportation to a country he had not been at since 4.
He should have gone there and tried to integrate. If you don't make an effort, you don't win
Why do we let horrible people launder their reputation, she was and is a terrible person.
Yes, windrush victims having citizenship revoked is all down to her.
@@stevejones2310More tea please?
@@chrisj9700 The files were destroyed in October 2010 when Theresa May was home secretary

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@@chrisj9700 because labour werent intending to kick them out maybe?
May clearly has never experienced the emotional complexities of fleeing and therefore comes to the ignorant simplicity of “seek asylum in the first country they come to”. She has no idea what she is speaking about, indeed, most of the UK doesn’t.
...but you think you do...?
@@chatham43 the only thing important to you is what you think I gather. So why are you here?
Due to this woman thousands of families have been split up, kids, mums n dads.
It was the DUP that blocked a softer Brexit.
It was the ERG.
It was May's idiotic red lines.
A constant stream of Tories currently trying to repair their image. Scars run deep. Never forgive, never forget. Damage is done and history will not be kind.
They were all useless Cameron
May , Johnson, truss, and now wot have we got a broken Britten and a total mess nothing works! They were all in it for themselves with no vision!
May could have done a Heseltine. Storm out of Downing Street, declaring Cameron’s plotting with UKIP to take us of the EU..
But she didn’t.
@@johnrussell3961She was a remainer until the PM title cane ahead of her name
Blair was the only one with vision
@@falconeshield she may have been a remainder but she was ineffective as PM and tried to under mine the speaker bercow and parliament
@@grtcara8386 Blair was a red tory! And continued thatchers vision all useless and in it for themselves
Blair foundation £200 million
His personal wealth £20 + million! Say’s it’s all
Thanks Theresa, my life was made much more difficult thanks to your hostile environment. Regret it or not, you are responsible.
Nice of him to focus on language rather than the results of her hostile environment on such people as the Windrush generation and their children.
She needs to go and read the UN Refugee Convention and then explain it to herself and the rest of her party
Even the nicer Tories are responsible for pretty repugnant policies.
And she ain't one of those
"If you are a citizen of the UK, you are now a citizen of nowhere".
Rewriting history that one 🙄
She was a stepping stone to where we are now, let her not forget it!
Re: Grenfell. It was such a horrible tragedy. The human thing would be to speak to the people who suffered and lost loved ones . Theresa May never seemed able to show her human side.
That's because the woman does not have a soul. Having empathy needs a soul, how did anyone ever believe that the person who created the Windrush Scandal would do anything to help the victims of the Grenfell disaster.
Being rehoused would be nice.
Once again someone saying that with brexit Boris either didn't have a clue what he was doing and was incompetent or was simply lying and didn't care. I'd say both .
That would have been my question if i was Marr. Was Boris corrupt or incompetent?
@@PaulStargasm Your phrasing of the question precludes the possibility that he was both of those things...
Mrs. May should have been with me when we were trying to open a bank account for my disabled son. We had all sorts of identity documentation but because the banks were allowed to make up there own list of required documentation, we couldn't open an account anywhere. I had to beg a bank to let me speak with a senior staff member to get it sorted. We had been turned away by every main high-street bank by then because we didn't have any photo ID. It was a complete nightmare, when anyone with any sense could tell he was English/British which was legally all the banks had to establish.
I have worked in the NHS for over 35 years. The day the bus travelled through the high street telling. People to go home I was on my way to work. The abuse I had with shouts telling me to go home. Thank you Theresa May. The abuse is etched in my consciousness forever.
She started the “nasty party” rhetoric.
The toxic environment that I am in, being discriminated, treated rudely and disrespectfully, not only because of encouraged by senior politician like her but also by wrong education. British need to do a reflection on their cultures.
Worse decision was signing contracts for military Hardwear when your husband makes millions because he's high up in the company who "won " the contract.
The "hostile environment “ a clear sign of was coming: Windrush and Brexit. Strong & Stable 😮
The hostile environment phrase was coined by a civil servant during a labour govt, but it was embraced by May.
Of course you do Theresa, and I'm a unicorn 🙄
Actions speak louder than words. How many people have gone to prison over Grenfell? 72 people dead, and yet not a single person charged. Government was responsible for setting the rules around cladding, and for the inspections, and for the approvals. Yet not one single public servant is in prison?!? This is an outrage, and a slap in the face of all decent law abiding people, not least those who lost loved ones. Absolutely deplorable. And May thinks she can smooth-talk her way out of this by discussing "language."
May trying to rehabilitate her legacy, but her actions and her language led to so much of what's wrong in UK at the moment - Labour may have used 'Hostile environment' in the past, but they didn't sanction flatbeds with 'GO HOME' written on them, nor did they preside over the Windrush scandal, or Grenfield or the batshit Brexit deal. Let's not even look at the 20,000 police she cut as Home Secretary. She doesn't seem the impact of her actions, which opened the door for Johnson.
The flatbeds were actually approved under Labour and she didn't know it was happening. This came out because Labour made the mistake of raising them in Parliament, only for it to be pointed out that that it was Labour who ordered them(!).
Talk about rewriting history and a soft Tory loving Andrew Marr.
rather listen to that arch Tory Ian Pain than listen to her lying!
And Marr
In total I've paid in excess of £10,000 in visa fees just for my wife's indefinite leave to remain, and these are only going to keep increasing. What a despicable woman.
As an eu citizen who was implicitly told i wasn't welcome in the country i worked and lived in, get absolutely fked
Delusional revisionism
She put set the path of Brexit on the hard path and prioritised party unity over the national interest.
Today I will be mostly rewriting history.
No such thing as illegal refugees. Windrush generation will not forget the legacy of this lady
How was an advisory non-binding referendum with a tiny plurality "the democratic will of the people"? Yet a second referendum would just be too much democracy for us.
there should have been a 10% swing or something built in so we dont have massive upheaval for a tiny majority. also things needed planning and costing FIRST.
There is absolutely no obligation for refugees to stay in the first country they reach, that's the law. UK people being annoyed by international treaties are irrelevant
She like the rest of the government regret NOTHING!
It's very telling that the current Tory government even makes Theresa May look like a competent politician - Not to forget that for the brief period of Her Prime Ministership, She was the most unpopular since the last horse the Tories foisted upon us
Trying to be civil here - but what a Soft interview. But perhaps Marr is the wrong person if you're looking for challenging questions.
I wonder what those who lived in Britain for decades and got hounded out the country think about it?
4:25 Really Theresa? How is “citizens of nowhere” and “crush the saboteurs” “recognising the concerns of the 48%”?
She may be better than what we’ve had since but she was pretty terrible at the time and she shouldn’t be let off for it.
Absolutely right!
Well said insightful observation
And I think it’s reasonable to speculate that it was May’s high-handed attitude in 2016-17 that made remainers so implacably opposed to her in 2017-19. It certainly was in my case.
Her hostile environment set the position of the country for years, and she is now trying to reframe her legacy. Tough Theresa you jumped the racism train and made it your own, now we will suffer for a generation.
No rehabilitation for this one. None.
Dances better here than on stage.
Strong and stable... 😂🤣😂😅😆😂
What is termed ' rhetoric ' is still language and it is still communication regardless of what these abusers think is their parliamentary privilege. The rot starts at the top and by people who are ideally educated to know better.
My personal view of May has not changed
theresa.. the person who said "if human rights stop us from doing it, whe will change the law so we can do it"
is now concerned about the home secretary and her legislation n measures. really? does she take us for goldfish?
Tories love voters with very short memories as they tend to vote Tory.
We are an island. If everyone stayed in the first safe country, we would take no one. Why does geography make other countries more responsible?
When you are supposed to be nothing more than a middle office manager but somehow end up in the highest office
Im sure she did have an issue with Bercow "using parliamentary rules and procedures", notice how she didn't accuse him of breaking any rules or making up new rules, just using the existing ones...
Grenfell - she couldn’t relate to poor people, period.
I doubt you will ever get a frank discussion from Patel or Braverman. Those two make May look like a sensible moderate and a proper parliamentarian.
She lies. Then she lies some more.
...and you compound it...!
How many people paid actual money to read Maybot's book?
This whole conversation felt like that Spiderman meme were they are all pointing to each other.
With deserved providence Brexit will be the end of the Tory party
Just as the English were "illegaly"present in other countries, what goes around.. ..
Like the Windrush people...were they illegal...give me a break
Yeah, does she also regret calling EU nationals living in the UK "citizens of nowhere" and "queue jumpers"?
Just remember it was her that ran the campaign of mobile billboards telling Europeans to go home.
My wife who is from Europe was changed forever, now all of our investments and future plans never feature the UK.
Watching this reminded me of why I hated her so much at the time. She's learned nothing. Scary thing is that May is currently one of the very few grown-ups in the Tory Party.
If she'd conducted herself this candidly at the time she would have been a lot more popular.
She should be ashamed of her xenophobic legacy
The rehabilitation of Theresa May. She sounds so reasonable with her regrets and now in comparison to the lot we've got now. Bit of a soft ball interview though.
May is definitely retconning history an awful lot here, I disagree with most of her political views in general but to be fair to her my perception of her as a person was always of a semi decent, semi competent leader in charge of a indecent and incompetent rabble that ultimately and inevitably cannibalised her.
I think my surprisingly warm impression is down to the hellscspe we have now. I'd cry tears of joy for John Major back. Whereas at the time!
@@ganrimmonimJohn Smith was the PM the country deserved. His mastery of language is impeccable even after 1994
Stop crying wolf May.
You were a terrible Home Secretary and an even worse prime minister.
Do one!
It's a shame that it takes not being a prime minster to actually answer questions.
She was an awful Home Secretary and an even worse PM. Her nasty and intimidating words and behaviours set the tone for the Brexit wars. She wanted to be “the new Iron Lady” but was more like an ironing board - only less useful.
She appeased the ERG to hold the conservative party together? at the expense of a soft brexit, which labour wouod have voted for. The tory party fractured anyway. She was not politically clever.
Are the "British welcoming " to the Windrush generation ?
No blacks No Irish No dogs was a common sign in Landlords windows.
Most of those fleeing on boats have been promised that they could come here! They are not economic refugees.
Why the whole show of Andrew Marr not available in RUclips?
Finally she admitted she regrets ‘hostile’. Not a fan but I now understand her better. At least she had the guts to hold her hands up unlike the majority of politicians, who just go around in circles never answering questions. How on earth did they ever pass exams by not answering the questions? Great show Andrew along with James is one of the reasons I listen to LBC.
But why at this late stage does she regret, to wonder if that apparent regret has anything to do with an image in need of polishing.
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I think politicians are often different when they aren't in cabinet where they are supposed to present a united front. She's still in parliament, but she doesn't have the same responsibilities.
I voted to remain, but I think her plan was better. She said there shouldn't be a border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and she stuck to it. Boris Johnson said the same thing but went back on it when it suited him.
It's worth remembering that Boris backed a second referendum, if we voted to leave the EU, to vote on any deal. He did this before the first referendum.
Oh Marr please don’t
As a Labour Voter and Remainer I thought May was scuppered by Parliment and Burco. I remember thinking as Parliment kept rejecting her bill that the dominant Remainers were voting against it hoping in time the referendum result would be dropped or more likely cause a second Referendum due to no Progress and the Remainers would win.
I remember thinking it was a dangerous game to play causing May's middle Road Policy to fail resulting in something far worse as Boris hung in the background waiting for his moment. If May's proposed Bill had gone through Britain, its economy, the value of the £, exports and it's people would be in a better position than it is now. Shockingly, if there is yet another negotiation with the EU on Brexit I'm guessing it wont be that different from May's Proposed EU Levae Bill. If so, if those MPs had not played political games then we could have had this 5 years ago and moved on! Shame on them!
She was an absolutely awful PM but she had more integrity than her any of her successors or her immediate predecessor
A Low bar to surmount. Windrush victims had citizenship revoked by May
Ye Gods. That's a bit like saying Fred West wasn't quite as bad as Myra Hindley...
Vile woman. Vile.
Grenfell 72. R.I.P.
No sign of her when was needed but now promoting her new book - every where!
Look she tried, not as bad as the current abysmal lot. This batch are just friggin tragic