How the First Order Took Over the Galaxy So Quickly
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- The Galactic Empire was a government run through fear, and the Death Star was the epitome of that philosophy. But was the First Order more effective at achieving that goal of rule through terror? Today we explore.
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I'm really disappointed that you didn't mention one thing: Resistance and Battlefront 2 both have scenes showing a tactical map of the galaxie, and all of the First Orders fleet positions.
They were literally hiding, waiting for that moment to strike simultaneously. As soon as Starkiller fired off, it was a galactic blitzkrieg.
What better time to take over than when you remove the leadership in one attack? It must have been utter chaos.
@Alameda Rave season 1 episode 15( the new trooper )
It’s in the Star Wars Battlefront 2 dlc
Where did FO get the logistics to do all that though? Millions of worlds not only to overwhelm their local defense but also to hold their presence. Perhaps they are using Hosnian Prime as a shock factor to force submission, but still, we are talking about millions of Resurgents and other FO capital ships and billions of personnal.
Very good point
@@AnakinSkyobiliviator They also had 5th Columnists in the form of the Centerists, members of the Republic Senate who were pro big government and centralization. While they weren't all FO sympathizers, they couldn't really break away from party line due to the Populalists demonizing them all as Imperials due to the majority of them coming from core worlds and having a more nuanced view of the Empire and how it worked.
Before the empire died, they saved their progression but last the save. The first order simply found the save and loaded it. It’s so simple
Best way to explain it xD
Saving their progression is actually less of a joke than you might think. The First Order had access to a lot of Imperial projects, like Hyperspace tracking as mentioned in Rogue One.
And some of their TIE models (like Kylo's) drew inspiration from Grand Admiral Thrawn's TIE Defender project.
Lazy writters and half assed stories.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@vitorkennedy1862 yup
The First Order's success does leave them with a major weakness: The shock value is going to wear off, Starkiller's absence eventually going to be noticed, and the galaxy is going to realize that the First Order doesn't have as many ships and troops as it looks like they do. Unless the FO digs in fast and gets a serious government structure formed (probably difficult with their own leadership issues), they are going to find many of their "conquered" planets slipping out of their grasp.
@Aspiring Marauder Now, the First Order does possess a powerful anti-ground weapon in the Mandator IV Siege Dreadnought, so that can punch through some defenses but those are likely quite rare. I've been writing a story set between VIII and IX, and the way I see it, the First Order made devastating attacks on most Republic bases and a few "high risk" planets like Mon Calamari, trying to take out their defense fleets and possibly occupy their capitals. They had their collaborators open the gates and let them in on several key planets like Kuat and Coruscant. And for most other planets on their "take over day 1" list, an RSD showed up, said "local government, pledge allegiance to us to be destroyed" and the local government did so, retaining their fleet and control of their internal affairs (for the moment). Those governments are in a sort of "wait and see" mode, and the First Order will definitely try to cement their control, but as the shock factor wears off and the Resistance and Republic remnants start to pick up public victories, more and more planets will resist or revolt, likely leading to the First Order's worst case scenario - a fight all over the galaxy, where they are stretched so thin that their ships can be overwhelmed and taken out one at a time, and their inability to replace casualties bleeds them dry. Because the simple fact is, if the entire galaxy fights back, they lose, plain and simple. Their numbers are simply inadequate.
Similar to Japan in WW2, once Their navy was defeated Japan only had fear tactics and Guerilla warfare
@@goose6112 In the story I mentioned in my second comment, I drew a lot of inspiration from the Pacific Theater. The First Order in general seemed to resemble Japan (Pearl Harbor-like attack, naval focus, rapid blitz, fanatical infantry, prone to getting slowly worn down, operating on a time limit) more than Nazi Germany, which I think helps distinguish them a bit from the regular Empire.
@@michaelramon2411
The Empire, like Nazi Germany, used Fear tactics, Propaganda, and indoctrination to try and get people to betray there fellow man and brother. This means, like the youth of Germany, the people under the empire were only loyal to the Empire, and thus the empire. To further this, the Empire, like Nazi Germany, claimed that the whole of there problems came from the Jedi Order (Communist/Socialist ideals for the reallife counterpart) Then focused on marginalizing a race or species of people witch not only included the Jedi, but also anyone not human. Certain planets, like Lothal were the British/France counterparts to the Empires Nazi Germany. The Rebellion and Mon Calamari people could be considered the US and allied forces.
The First Order on the other hand, had limited stock that would be burned through quickly if the war could not be ended soon. They pored countless resources into Starkiller and so fourth that they had little reserve, causing them to die fast. This was like Japan, who was in an Economic crisis as the US had sanctioned them.
They had a weapon on their side greater than any other. Something no adversary could stand against.
The opening crawl.
The literal definition of "because the writer said so."
So, by your criteria, ESB is also shit because the crawl said that the Rebels were driven off their base and the destruction of the Death Star didn't really change anything.
Sad thing is they only decided this well after TFA. I wish they made sense of this and put that in the crawl. The crawl makes it sound like the Resistance and Republic were working together when they really weren’t, and there isn’t any mention of the Republic’s decommissioning of their military so their inaction makes them seem incompetent rather than pacifist
Yeah that crawl was somewhat poorly done. And the lack of backstory didn't help. Should have said something like: *With the support of a few sympathetic senators from within the delusionist NEW REPUBLIC which formed from the REBEL ALLIANCE. Leia Organa formed the RESISTANCE to combat the enemy and collect evidence to show the galactic government what they are ignoring* .
Then add enough backstory, that deleted scene with Korr Sella and then it would make more sense. That's always been the ST problem: lack of backstory and explanation.
I think part of the problem with the crawl was that someone working on TFA, probably JJ, changed the crawl at the last minute without telling anyone, not even the story group. Pablo didn't even realized it was changed until he saw the film.
@@Alex-ji6ob Even I can admit at times that there is poor communication and poor writing.
Wouldnt have been bad to put in, but for mass market audience it didnt matter one bit.
When i watched VII i thought that they were different factions that were working together. But yes maybe 2 seconds of exposition would clear that out.
That’s one thing I don’t like about the sequels. The conflict between first order and resistance feels outside of the galaxy. It doesn’t seem to have consequences on it. We only saw three planets get destroyed by the first other and we don’t even see how this affects the galaxy.
*5 planets
I LiKe PiGeoNs sorry, it’s been a while since I watched TFA
@@emilioalvear8440 I was only correcting you. Nothing to say sorry about. The first order literally destroys the whole capital, and this affects the galaxy by making them give up and bow down to the first order, as said in the star wars resistance season 2 trailer
I LiKe PiGeoNs yes exactly, but we don’t see any of that in the sequels
@@emilioalvear8440 True but we also didn't see how the destruction of Alderaan influenced the galaxy in the original trilogy besides Leia. To some degree, we saw the reactions of everyday people on the capital before it was destroyed and those who witnessed its destruction on Takodana. It's just not a priority for this trilogy I think, it's mostly about the characters. Though like the OT we should get books, comics, games and other series to help fill the gaps and explore the interesting areas.
Ive been waiting for a video on this topic. Thank you
Did they though?
The first Order has “Taken Over” for the duration of The Last Jedi to The Rise of Skywalker. Not a long rule. Let’s not applaud these guys just yet
Actually it started midway in the Force Awakens after blowing up the planets of the Hosnian System.
@@hannibalsmyth6779 but there's only minutes between the end of episodes 7 and 8.
@@Jedi_Spartan i think it was hours not minutes.
@@luohao2321 could have even been days. They were pretty well packed up to leave the base at the start of the movie. Mobilizing like that could be a few days to pack up all your ships and equipment.
Clap clap clap....ok i'll stop.
As you say in the description, the First Order is more "rule by terror" than the Empire's "rule by fear." The distinction doesn't really matter much when talking about morality, but is interesting to draw that comparison between the two governments, or factions. The recent Allegiance comics make a point on how the First Order is being far less "lenient" than even the Empire was. In this way, they're much more terrorist-like, going around and destroying worlds. Not that the Empire didn't either, of course, but this seems to be the First Order's primary way of doing things and handling business. It will probably make the First Order a lot less successful in the long-term, though; more successful immediately in the short-team, sure, but the Empire was born through Palpatine's machinations and manipulations for years that kept people supporting it for a long time. People will hate the First Order instantly.
Not only that but their fleets are small, their strongest ship is critically damaged and they don’t have any noticeable territory other than Starkiller Base.
But the galaxy new in an instant that Luke had a heroic last stand. Why doesn’t they know, that Starkiller is destroyed?
That’s why your answer isn’t satisfying
To be fair, who said it was instant that people outside of the Resistance knew about Luke's last stand? The only novel I've read that mentions anyone outside of the people on Crait knowing about what happened was in Black Spire, and even then it was from Vi alone.
I always got the sense that Broom Boy's final scene was weeks or months after the Battle of Crait, so the story would have had time to spread. The point when the First Order seems to have taken over is within a few days at most of firing Starkiller. Once the Resistance is no longer worried about evacuating their base and have begun spreading out across the galaxy (as we see in the Poe comic), news about Starkiller will spread, especially since the First Order can't prove it still exists by firing it again.
Instant in movie time. Broom Boi's scene is probably weeks or months later.
Many events in Episode VIII begin before the ending of VII.
"Rey you go and find Luke while we prepare to abandon the area, because first order is coming. Take this binary beacon so you can find us wherever we may be"
And the broom kid scene was an epilogue, it could happen many months after.
@@andycalmes4201 The Resistance hasn't yet had time to brag about destroy it. And the FO isn't going to announce to the galaxy that the Resistance hurt them that badly.
Thank you for the video Star Wars EXPLAINED may the Force be with you
The only reason it was such a brute force quick rise was that there was no looming threat of a jedi order
Maybe a Jedi Order would have sided with the Resistance to help investigate a potential threat, but they were pacifists. They weren't meant to be warriors and the whole moral for the Jedi in the Clone Wars is that they lost their way so you'd think that a new order would try and right those wrongs and not make the same mistake again.
Either way the Jedi order would likely still have been on the capital which was destroyed instantly.
The only reason is that i wasn't there at the time.
I think it would have made no difference if the Jedi Order was present at that time. How many knew that Luke and Leia were brother and sister? Also if the New Republic did approve of a New Jedi Order it would be under Luke Skywalker. When Leia was exposed that she was the daughter of Darth Vader the entire Senate was in an uproar and many Senators and close friends distance themselves from Leia when they heard of the it and she had no choice but to resign from the Senate. It would not look good for Luke's Jedi Order as well if people knew he was the son of Darth Vader. The New Republic would have cut all ties from them and would not approve of a New Jedi Order.
I liked the non canon idea that part of The Emperors plan to put the Galaxy under the brunt of Operation Cinder was to both give The First Order time to build up while the Galaxy recovered and then have them welcome The First Order as conquering heroes to establish order in the chaos.
“I really don’t want a 4th Death Star in TROS”
Goddamn 😂
"I certainly don't want a 3rd Death Star in Rise of Skywalker."
Boy do I have some bad news for you.
I really like the way take over of the First Order was handled, at least, outside of the movies themselves. The movies did a good job of showing how shocking and sudden the destruction of the Hosnian system was to the New Republic and the galaxy, and the other parts of canon demonstrating how the First Order had basically been a shadow empire in the Unknown Regions for the last 30 years was also great. The Supremacy itself is also a example of how mobile the First Order is, in that it maintains, docks and can produce pretty much any vessel in the First order Navy up to the Resurgents themselves.
Rose mentioning how the First Order completely strip-mines entire planets in the Unknown Regions also demonstrates how they acquire most of the resources necessary for that scale of production, and this is reflected in real-life by North Korea, which has one of the largest military's in the world despite being one of the smallest nations, because a vast portion of their economy and their population are conscripted for the military.
What gets me is how quickly the Galaxy got rid of the First Order in TROS. I mean, the FO took out the Seat of the Galactic Gouvernment. At the start of TLJ it was stated that it ruled supreme and the people of the Galaxy didn't respond to Leias plea out of fear.
Yet, when Lando asked them, those same people sent a gigantic fleet that might have defeated the Final Order if Palpatine hadn't intervened and what *didn't* travel to Exegol was still strong enough to utterly wipe the floor with the First Order.
Yeah, the First Order are a bunch of paper tigers.
The Empire learning from their lost to Rebels Alliance in Battle Of Endor. We also see how careful Thrawn in Ahsoka tv show with Ahsoka&her friends could stopped him and Nightsisters out from Peridea. He becomes full calculated and study his opponent background and used it for advantage. So well the remmand Empire too. But I wonder how Snoke can be part of it and how he plan everything starting tempt Ben Solo to join him and became the Supreme Leader.
I hate that secondary media has to support and fill in all the plot holes and bad writing
Well secondary media gonna digging info anyway, and ppl are talking about it
Yeah i hate they did a movie about the plot hole of the first movie, the death star was lazy wrtiting lol
Or you could have just filled in the blanks with your imagination based on the information that the movie gives you? I didn't need it to be told to me that the galaxy would keel over for the First Order after they destroyed the Hosnian system, _the seat of the galactic government._ Not every plot detail needs to be spoonfed to you for you to understand and enjoy a story.
@@gr13v0u5 But then surely by your logic if, for example, the Russian invade America and nuke Washington all of America would stop fighting and give in .... not very likely and neither would it be for a huge galaxy of planets that the Republic controlled.
@@ukmediawarrior bruh It's a movie , it's not that deep
Unrealated comment but how do u not have over 1 million subs l mean you're one of the only good star wars youtuber
That's why.
In my mind, from what I can tell from the canon lore, the First Order has always been controlled by Palpatine in some form. I would be surprised if it were revealed that Snoke was NOT a servant of Palpatine.
He probably just never realized it. Palpatine fooled the entire Jedi Order before.
001skm you were right...
Everything has proceeded as this person had foreseen.
1:22 Everyone except for the people in the Canto Bight novella, because they just don't care apparently.
Well they are meant to largely be criminals and arms dealers.
@@TheGboy55 Ehhh, most of the characters in the seemed to be pretty normal, or a least as normal as you can find in Las Vegas.
@@mitwhitgaming7722 true maybe the first order was taking over other major system
@@mitwhitgaming7722 Apparently it was actually inspired by Monte Carlo And Dubrovnik. Regardless I don't think Canto Bight was part of the New Republic so they probably didn't care as much. In the real world we ignore or react somewhat apathetically to atrocities all the time, especially when our own people aren't involved.
@@TheGboy55 True
"i don't wanna see a third death star in Tros"
I have bad news
They took over because they had help from the imperial remnant. Even after the the battle of Jakku, the empire still had a large, powerful military.
Watching this after Rise of Skywalker... That prediction at the end
Basically blitzed the galaxy after a very visible show of power
This made me think how funny the Empire's "super mega weapon" was. Check this out galaxy... boom! Doh?!
In ROTJ.. Ok, galaxy, you'll pay for your insolence with DS2.. wait till we finish it- boom! (again). Double Doh?!
When I clicked on this video, I thought “now *this* should be *interesting.* “
great video Alex ... keep up the great work!
Good video and this provides some good insight
Simiple Kaz’s Dad Hamato is a Centrist Senator (from bloodlines) defected to the First Order’s weapons and ships. There a lot of evidence, Hamto see the Resistance as extremists, when Kaz “the rich kid” becomes a spy he’s unaware that there people that hates the resistance, so might not know about Leia’s father is Darth Vader. Leia mention that senators is profiting the first order’s weapons . When Kaz found out his dad is coincidentally alive, his Dad being tired contacting him for “Days” even though Kaz was on the colossus for 6 months. Hamato knows about the bounty hunters are after him and the citizens of the colossus. So much evidences I hope it’s true it explains everything.
Thanks for the explanation in this vid SWE. Great vid as usual.
It’s an interesting point you bring up. It reminds me of the Nazi invasion of Poland in WWII, as well as the Blitzkreig tactic that was utilized. Although I’m sure that this idea of rapid advancement was not exclusive to Germany and has been used throughout history, heck the Romans and Greeks probably used it successfully.
Great video! Loved it
OK I get how any why the 1st Order took control so quick but as soon as Star Killer Base was destroyed why didn't the Resistance send out messages telling the galaxy the 1st Order's ultimate weapon was just destroyed and they can't devastate any more star systems?
The loss of Alderaan is classic
But The loss of Coruscant looks horrible
Canon Mon Mothma "Oh F***** Me!
Legends Mon Mothma "You can say that again! Damn it Mon you had ONE JOB!!!"
Great video Alex 🙂 at least star killer base is gone, but... because the government is gone no body knows it is gone. Until the 9th movie it will give an explanation and it will YELL at the 1st order saying “You will be gone soon, we were nothing at 1st now we are a large army.” “You have nothing left (we believe) and all your forces displaced on Crate, soon you’ll be gone.” That’s what I think might happen, but who knows maybe one planet or more are taken by the 1st order. And the resistance just has a planet or city sized army. (This based on my thoughts from the book about what may happen in episode 9 from and we’re the resistance had as many members to fill a small frater to an army as big as fleet.) I hope that in it, the 1st order is gone and all is happy and peaceful, Rey is hopefully on the light side still, and no very memorable characters died. (What I mean is Poe or Rose.)
Getting pumped up for star wars 9!
I want Episode 9 to break the Endgame box office record. We can do it!!!!!!!!😀😃😆👍🏼👏🏼✌🏼
@@WookieeRandy yeah same!
@@WookieeRandynot even half
I didn't know the first order actually conquered anything outside the unknown regions until last jedi. I wish they explained this better in the movies.
I think EP9 wont have First Order in control. The systems are mostly on their own. Galaxy is a mess. What the FO was able to do was get rid of primary obstacle to them seizing power. That isnt Empire 2.0.
@@TheCoolCucumber Not what it says
"Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy."
So they have been deployed they havent taken control yet. Rey later tells Luke they will control major systems in weeks. Now the FO also has lost a considerable amount of their power with the destruction of the dreadnaught, the Supremacy and what about a dozen Star Destroyers in Snokes #1 battle group.
@@keithfranklin214 I agree but to be fair it also says "The First Order reigns." making it less clear.
@@TheCoolCucumber Conquered soon, yes. Controlled no. That will take years, years longer then the 1 year gap between EP8 and Ep9. The First Order was never what the Empire was and is not prepared to take over like that.
@@TheCoolCucumber Honestly I dont know what you are saying. Story wise the difference between the Empire and The First Order is that the Empire is well an Empire. It has military stationed across the galaxy and military control backing bureaucrats under its control when ANH starts. The Death Star is meant as a tool to scare system that are starting/thinking about rebelling. The First Order on the other hand is a well funded militia group mostly in hiding. Far smaller and less capable of controlling the galaxy. Not capable of taking out the New Republic even in its current stagnation state. The First Order know it will take a sneak attack to take out the New Republic. So it builds Star Killer base to take out the government and the New Republic fleet. Once it is destroyed the Resistance and individual systems older defense tech is all thats left to fight off The First Order from taking control. In TFA the Resistance is all but destroyed, but it takes with it The First Order's #1 battle group, mobile construction ship and super weapon.
How was the WHOLE New Republic Fleet destroyed at one time? Why didn’t other worlds send their fleets to join the Resistance? How did everyone know about Starkiller Base but NOT know about it’s destruction? How would the deaths of the senators throw planetary governments into chaos? Planetary rulers were still on their home worlds as were their own military personnel.
Because the New Republic demilitarized their fleet, and the remaining were in hosian prime system, you can see a fleet being obliterated when you watch the starkiller scene when it hits the planet
@@NorthWirld you mean "bad writing."
Nice Video :)
You really dont need a death star. Do what malak did to Taris. Large fleet bombard a planet. Destroy planet basically
Exactly no point of the Death Stars, I mean, the Empire had these other devastating bombs, bioweapons, and warheads that could destroy planets. Even Admiral Thrawn said that too.
Well... This Palpatine has shit ton of help, he was able to enjoy death and chill up until now when the snoke "sacrifice" to turn Rey dark move backfired
Okay, the aspect of the threat imposed by the Starkiller Base is valid and I'd accept the planets to surrender, but how does the First Order got the infrastructure to capture things so far out? We are talking about millions of sieges on planets across the galaxy. Not to mention that the collapse of New Republic fleet shouldn't be as significant as the demilitarization and decentralization of NR's military powers means that it shouldn't be any more than a ceremonial unit, or perhaps even just a guard unit for wherever the capital may be that year. My point is, each system FO attacked would have their own system defense fleet; and while they might not win against the technological advancement and the prowess of the threat, it'd take them longer than the few hours presented.
Palpatine-Finnaly, after 1000 years of Rule of Two and countless political machinations, i took over Galaxy
First Order-lmao, big spaceball
This is a great explanation for a story that should have been explained more. The unknown and sudden element are interesting. However I'm not sure that having SENATORS in new republic wiped out would be the same as having HEADS OF STATE wiped out. The senate was more like a super charged United Nations with senators having power to represent their planets, but the leadership of most of the planets was presumably still on the planets themselves. If the united nations was wiped out it wouldn't destroy the governments of our planet.
still love the video as always
Nah they for sure had appointed a meeting that day, FO would make sure of it to destroy them
Thanks, Alex! 😊
Ya know I feel like the first order should’ve just built the eclipse class super star destroyer with its super laser being as destructive as starkiller bases laser instead of a Death Star knockoff
Tarkin would be proud.
If you all read the comments before the video Turn back now
The First Order also isn't bothering with being a functioning government. They aren't into setting up roads, infrastructure, or a more thorough form of taxation, like a normal empire would (Rome). I think the first order works more like a rogue class in wow than a warrior class that's mean't to take almost as much dmg as it dishes out.
It's a military junta, not really a specific nation. It's an army with something of a country attached to it.
The first order did one massive strike that threw everything in dissarray in a largely disarmed or other wise demoralized galaxy. I don't think the FO had the numbers to be spread out across the galaxy and start doing the paper work that went with an occupation or government. It's like they're not in charge but nobody is fighting them.
They may know how to cut off the head of the snake, but they don't know how to occupy. After the Galactic Empire took over the galaxy weakened from the clone wars, they used up the last of their clones conquering the more formidable enemies and then could resort to occupying it with a military that switched from quality to quantity.
I'm wondering if the First Order wants to directly rule over planets and assume government's intricate and costly responsibilities, or if they just wanted to set up tributary states. The first order sure knows how to invade some planets but I don't know if they have enough to hold them. Being stretched too thin is what gave the rebel alliance an advantage through guerilla warfare and unless the FO knows how to cover it's rear or gets enough of the population on their side against the resistance it's going to be something that's hard to hold onto for long.
See, this is where including the EU would help explain why the galaxy was so weak and demoralized. If the galaxy was weak from recent events like the Yuuzon vong war and dark nest crisis, as well as how the Vong uprising left so many formerly populated planets uninhabitable, then it would make sense that the rest of the galaxy couldn't get it's shit together to feel at least motivated to resist.
If the First Order somehow managed to weaponize the Rakghoul plague and Black Wing Sickness (think star wars Zombies/werewolves), as well as some insane computer virus that infected droids and started mass droid uprisings, they could at least keep weaker or poorer planets busy with fighting off zombie outbreaks and droid uprisings while the FO focused on other targets.
It also would have helped the story if
A) the FO was secretly working with the Canto Byte Bankster Illuminati types to have moles in the resistance that would divide the resistance and make it weaker (with some extremist anti human/jedi factions rising and breaking off, sort of being the communists to the FO's military fascists. After all, Hitler said it was easier to convert a communist to fascism than somebody in the democracy middle of the road. If nothing else, this would rob the Resistance of it's strength, numbers, morale, and unity, making former allies enemies or at least obstacles, and groom said break away group to be prime for FO recruitment later. Think the red line from Metro or the role Cerberus played in Mass Effect 3).
B) When StarKiller Base was destroyed, it only had a skeletal crew in the planet when it exploded so that the FO only lost a few workers. On top of that, anticipating possibly being destroyed, have the system set up to go supernova and turn into a black star so that the nova explosion and the black hole would wipe out a majority of the republic/resistance fleet.
What I’d like to know is how did the FO acquire the wealth to build such massive ships and planet destroyers over the 30 year timeframe of the fallen empire? We need we need sequel trilogy prequels to understand these things.
Great video and this would make sense, but did centrist Senate get off planets, like Kaz dad?
I think the implication is that they already collaborated with the First Order in some way.
I’d never through of it like that. Nice!
You make a good point. But what good is controling a Galaxy if everybody does resist you and you kill them all, then who are you can control over besides just the first order?
This is what makes me confused about the first orders true in goal. Disney hasn't really told us besides galactic domination, but what good is that if you kill everybody.
you forgot in the BF story that shows the rise of the first order just before / around same time as force awakens the was that info they found of all the first order ships an how many the were and how manay the were to take over the galaxy.
Why didn't the Galaxy unite against the first order rebellion to get revenge for the family and friends star killer base killed
Because they were unaware that Star Killer Base had been destroyed, so many systems feared that they were the next target, so it pretty much became a every man for himself situation and so they were too preoccupied in protecting their own systems to even bother launching a counterattack together.
This is something the movie's should have established.
Not only did the First Order blitzkrieg the galaxy, but Bloodlines, and possibly other books/comics showed that there was already dissatisfaction and opposition to the New Republic government. As well as the New Republic being totally unprepared for any large scale military action, especially against a foe as well organized and massive as the First Order.
That's why Leia started the Resistance, she knew that the New Republic was under threat. But even her best efforts could not scrounge up the resources and personnel necessary to stop the First Order from taking over.
big fan.
Info in star wars travels slowly like on earth before phones. Like people in the American colonies wouldn't know if Charles the first were beheaded by Cromwell until weeks after it took place.
The first order rebellion shouldn't have the man power to attack the Galaxy in the first place
Thirty years is an acceptable time to assemble a galactic invasion force. Nobody batted an eye when the Separatists built an entire droid army in the PT, to say nothing of the Clone Army, so it shouldn't be an issue in the case of the First Order who've had even more time to build up their numbers than the CIS and Grand Army did.
Meta-view: Disney needed a stand-in for the old Empire. So we get the First Order and rehash Palpatine.
Lazy and poor writing
For now, the sequels just feel like a rushed and with lower quality combination of the prequels and OT. The prequels was about the fall of the republic, of the jedi, of the democracy and of Anakin Skywalker. It was based on the fall of the roman republic and Weimar republic, and anakin skywalker is a mix of Edipo, Morpheus and Fausto.
The OT was about hope, resistance, of the weak defeating the strong, in a very David vs Goliath, and the journey of the Hero. The empire is based on the nazis, the rebellion is based on the resistances in europe, and in the independence of the usa, the french revolution, and guerrila wars such as vietnam and cuba. Luke Skywalker journey of the Hero we see elements of all the great heros: Gilgamesh, Ulisses, Hercules, King Arthur, etc.
The sequels are well directed movies, with excellent and likeable actors and good special effects. I apreciate that we have more women and minorities as well. But the story just seems off... While the spin offs complement the story, the sequels seem to be just a reboot of the saga. First order and Resistance replace the Empire and the Rebellion. Before half of TFA we know that Luke failed to rebuild the Jedi, and not long after the Republic is simply blown away by a giant laser; in ep8 we see the fall of the jedi as a flashback badly told... It lost all the poetry and tragedy of the fall of the republic and the jedi, and, worst of all, made all that our heroes in the OT fought for to be in vain. They have fought to rebuild the republic and the jedi, just for it to be destroyed again, and for it to be rebuilt by new characters... Rey journey of the heroe is also kind of disapointing, since shes so perfect (unlike Leia, Padme, Ashoka, Ventress, Jyn Erso, Q'ira, Mara Jade, etc), Kylo ren journey of tragic heroe is confusing, we don't have any plausable idea on why he fell to the dark side andsometimes he´s intimidating, sometimes he´s just a scared kid (who is 30 years old but ok).
I really hope the Rise of Skywalker changes the way I feel about the sequels, and that it was not all in vain, it wasn't just a reboot, it all make sense... if it doesn't oh well, we still have the Legends.
“I don’t want a third Death Star or something in the Rise of Skywalker”
When you look at it, did the Empire really need the Death Stars? I was doing my research, and there were multiple warheads and bombs that could destroy planets at a lesser cost. Not only that, you have biological weapons employed. Plus, the Imperial Fleet packed enough firepower to devastate planets. In my opinion, I feel like the Death Star was a waste of resources. I also believe it led to its own downfall because people realized the Empire could be defeated.
In the darth Vader comic one of the surviving admirals of the first Death Star actually acknowledges how much of a waste of resources the Death Star was and should have been used in creating more star destroyers expanding the empires power.
@@zommbiekiller, I forgot who was that
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I don't know if it's the same in the new canon but in legends there was a large number of wealthy planets that had their own planetary shields capable of holding off bombardments from even very powerful fleets for extended periods or the use of other smaller weapons, however the Death Star's superlaser would have been able to blow straight through even the strongest of those planetary shields with relative ease.
I hope they can give some more reasons for their success in the future.
For example, I would like them to specificly tell that the FO doesnt rule litteraly every planet, but just conquered or destroyed the most influential systems. We already saw them using sympathisers to their advantage, so I hope they made use of pro-imperial and anti-republic sentiments on a large scale in planetary governments and local militia-forces. You already covered the Blitzkrieg aspect and I think that would be a very good aspect to the initial success of their conquest, but I hope we see the resistance exploiting the weakness of their strategy by exposing their lies and promoting their own message.
Other than that, I still hope they can give a good explaination for their manpower and resources. Vasr underground connections for example. Maybe the exploration project of the unknown regions were much more successful or vast than we have previously known and there were more resources left behind or discovered than we know. I also hope the Chiss or Grysk have anything to do with their story and success.
Like to have some back story of how they created a weapon that good blast millions of miles and then split into 3 directions on a dime. Its sci fi but within star wars sci fi seems far fetched. Wish they had shown in 7 lukes academy and how first order got organizrd then maybe attack with old sith fleet. 8 about galaxy trying to get organized to take back the galaxy and 9 is battle for the galaxy. I agree with alex anothee death star was just not thst great.
I personally think the First Order is way less intimidating than the empire.
He doesn't want another death star in The Rise of Skywalker,😂😂😂😂😂 don't worry there won't be, just a whole fleet of planet destroyers.
Blitzkrieg that’s all I have to say
Makes sense
I just bought Black Spire, and got through the first few chapters last night... so this is timely.
Simple:ITS BEEN 30 YEARS
I really still hope the New Republic is not totally gone and will be somehow present in the Episode IX. We could imagine a kind of WW2 parallel with the First Order being Japan and the New Republic and the Resistance being China, they would be allied but somehow rival (not as much as the communists and the nationalists.)
I don't really hate the sequels as much as everyone else does but I also can't stand the fact that they decided to make them very similar to the original trilogy, especially TFA. I want something different like what George did with the prequels. Say what you want about them or episode 1 but at least TPM took place in an era were it showed us how the galaxy lived without some kind of life threatening war going on. It seems like there always has to be some kind of massive galaxy war in every Star Wars movie. I don't have a problem with that kind of story telling if it's interesting but at this point. It's been overplayed in science fiction like Star Wars way too many times.
You can blame the Star Wars community for that. They all basically implied they didn’t want anything too different from their nostalgia of the old movies. Also remember before the sequel trilogy released the hate against the prequels was unnecessarily high and that type of hate influenced the movie writers and directors
I have been wondering how the first order rose to power and why the new republic didn't interfere with the sequel trilogy's events, and this video explained all of that. Thank you so much!
I disagree. The Empire actually ruled the Galaxy for 30 years. The first Order’s Reign looks to be only for a few years. ( If they are defeated in TROS) And Their defeat on Crait at the hands of Luke Skywalker. Is well known throughout the galaxy. So people know they can be defeated as well.
The First Order won the Battle of Crait. Luke Skywalker just hold them off while the others could escape.
@ADDOITALLDAY, Let's also not forget that the Empire lasted until at least twenty five years. After Endor, they splitted up into various Imperial remnants
When the FINAL Order was destroyed, at the end of episode 9, is the First Order still in control?
The First Order made the same mistake as Nazi Germany did on a grander scale. It thought it could conquer the galaxy with smaller forces by simply performing blitzkreig across the star systems in the chaos and confusion. They didn't realize that blitzkreig only works in a short and decisively war. The moment it becomes a long war of attrition, well the First Order is doomed.
Plus, they apparently sent their entire leadership into Exegol, meaning that the Resistance ended up decapitating the First Order's chain of command in one fell swoop. That's a sign of total stupidity.
I would assume so, but they'd be collapsing quickly. After all the Final Order is just a fleet.
Because the New Republic was seen as a polite joke.
How can hosnian prime be the capital I remember hearing or reading somewhere that mon mothmas home planet was?
That was after RTOJ it changed to hosnian prime later
This is better than The Force Awakens.
i wonder how the universe would look like post first order defeat
Because the good guys just slept on their job
Well there had better be multiple small super lasers within the 1st order star fleet & not behind them or behind the resistance fleet like in Return of the Jedi
I really appreciate the extended material filling in the gaps and potential inconsistencies in the movies (though they really should do a better job universe building), but I still cringe every time the Hosnian system is destroyed, and everyone from around the galaxy just looks up in the sky and sees it happen. Stupid with a capital S.
The first order being controlled by palpatine. What a stupid idea that would never happen
It happend,idiot.
There was way more then 3 death stars there
The auto generated subtitles are in Dutch 😂
I have to read Black Spire next!
I believe that the Resistance can embiggen the noblest man... 🤔
Why the First Order took over quickly?
*Bad writing*
But how does the First Order get the money to build all this stuff?
emperor palpatine vault?
Most likely corrupt NR Senators that were on the Centrists party & other unknown benefactors
For the first order we have brought order and peace till we lose in the next movie lol
The empire did a quick save and came as the first order 🤣🤣
Sources?
Simple answer: the plot needed it
The sequel era haters will find ways of saying this is wrong and dumb lol the only wrong and dumb was the republic for letting the first order operate for any length of time