Wc2 is actually pretty fun to play. It's more like a chess game imo. SC on the other hand is more like rock, paper, scissors (both games are good, similar but also different, thats what i meant). And yeah, wc2 community has been begging for ladder and some more features to rebuild the wc2 community. Would be interesting to see known names from the blizzard RTSs coming to wc2 ladder as well. Also I'm on favor of a tourney!
incredible. never thought wc2 would see an update like this. this was the second game i got addicted to as a young kid, right after DOOM. because of bad habits formed from hundreds of hours of wc2 played as a kid, i didn't learn to A-move until like 2019... lol. i played sc1 a little, was one of my first online experiences. learned to make control groups, but never knew you could A-move...
I think that it’s really good to be able to have multiple usernames with unique ratings on the same ladder. That said, I love the idea of the leaderboard only showing the highest ranked username of any given account so that you can get a better idea of where you stand in the grand scheme of things. Also, I LOVE the idea of having a Warcraft 2 ladder. WC2 bnet edition was so much fun to play multiplayer back in the day! Thanks for the very good video and interesting conversations Tasteless
Would love to see you cover and cast this classic game! Honestly the lust nerf was needed almost 30 years ago, but Blizzard never gave the game proper support like SC.
WC2 was the first PC game I ever spent a significant time playing. It's so ancient now that the crappy controls are part of the appeal, like a foosball table.
I'm thankful that sf6 has a good ranked system once you hit masters. I think it's a good compromise, anyone can grind to master with enough commitment but once you get there it's a traditional chess like rating system. Edit - sorry got distracted by fgc talk. Can't believe this game got updated
There’s actually a bunch of great players out there still. They are split atm, they are waiting for fixed order to be addressed before they play remastered.
Btw the first block "UI updated" are all thing that were actually present in classic wc2 and somehow didn't make it into the remaster much to the dismay of the wc2 community.
Gotta commend you Tasteless for continuing to put out high quality RTS content despite the genre pushing itself into near-irrelevance. Lesser men would give up.
Bit divided on this internally on the one hand wc2 is a solved game and needed a shakeup. On the other hand we won't be able to play the campaign the way it used to be anymore. Also i would have prefered more buffs for heal rather than nerfs to bloodlust but I am saying this as someone who does not play wc2 that much so what do i know. Really like all the ranged unit buffs their upgrades were always over priced.
WTF, they do balance changes but can't even add a simple shift+click feature or anything that's been invented for RTS-s since 1997?? Glad I didn't gave money to B for THIS... 🥵
I was a bit disapointed with the gfx; it's really uneven and sometimes downright ugly like how a deathknight looks moving... or the trolls or ogre faces... i'm glad they made a few changes but i would have prefer a few bug fixes first to be honest to make the game a bit more enjoyable
Give the option to play the patched and retro version + ladder = win They did that with Street Fighter 2 remix. Old version remained strong. I think if you're going to rebalance the game, Human and Orc need a large diversity in strategy. Also for the love of god, make way pathing better lol. Also show the map on the minimap
I wish they normalized the damamge a little bit on... (I was going to say the ships, but hmm) everything? Pretty sure the battleship does 2-135 damage. Mind you it has like 120 HP so this is ... very relevant?
I would like to see a balance toggle to go back to the way it was for a more authentic singleplayer experience. Also, I have some custom maps that revolve around the original balancing.
Yep they are making changes that completely destroy the old school gameplay. Everybody back in the day knew that Orcs were strongest tier 3, especially on faster game speeds. Warcraft 2 is a very old game. It's not that these changes are bad they are changes I would have made back in the 1990s. The problem is that you are making changes that fundamentally change the game.
It's fine we still have the original with the HD patch. Honestly I like that they're changing things up on the remaster, it's shaking up the meta. Elves and trolls have been so useless for nearly 30 years that it's not even funny, they literally lose to peasants/peons.
Death and Decay and Bloodlust nerfed after 30 years. Holy shit.
Clearly horde bias lmao
Horde is (was?) broken.
Finally!!!!
03:39
"the stacraft ladder seems to run fine"
*artosis screaming in the background*
Wc2 is actually pretty fun to play. It's more like a chess game imo. SC on the other hand is more like rock, paper, scissors (both games are good, similar but also different, thats what i meant). And yeah, wc2 community has been begging for ladder and some more features to rebuild the wc2 community. Would be interesting to see known names from the blizzard RTSs coming to wc2 ladder as well.
Also I'm on favor of a tourney!
War2 has had a scene even recently. Talk to BabyShark and AdmiralIddy about setting up a tournament cast so you can get up to speed
As a current lover of WC2 this is extremely hype. I noticed the score screen changes but I didn't notice some of the upgrade stuff. Legendary.
Wait, really? 😮
Ranked Ladder Match Making system plz!
incredible. never thought wc2 would see an update like this.
this was the second game i got addicted to as a young kid, right after DOOM.
because of bad habits formed from hundreds of hours of wc2 played as a kid, i didn't learn to A-move until like 2019... lol.
i played sc1 a little, was one of my first online experiences.
learned to make control groups, but never knew you could A-move...
Please host and cast a tourney yes!!!
I think that it’s really good to be able to have multiple usernames with unique ratings on the same ladder. That said, I love the idea of the leaderboard only showing the highest ranked username of any given account so that you can get a better idea of where you stand in the grand scheme of things.
Also, I LOVE the idea of having a Warcraft 2 ladder. WC2 bnet edition was so much fun to play multiplayer back in the day!
Thanks for the very good video and interesting conversations Tasteless
Good. This game and Warcraft 1 created their company. It would be nice if they keep both alive
Would love to see you cover and cast this classic game! Honestly the lust nerf was needed almost 30 years ago, but Blizzard never gave the game proper support like SC.
WC2 was the first PC game I ever spent a significant time playing. It's so ancient now that the crappy controls are part of the appeal, like a foosball table.
I'm thankful that sf6 has a good ranked system once you hit masters. I think it's a good compromise, anyone can grind to master with enough commitment but once you get there it's a traditional chess like rating system.
Edit - sorry got distracted by fgc talk. Can't believe this game got updated
There’s actually a bunch of great players out there still. They are split atm, they are waiting for fixed order to be addressed before they play remastered.
Btw the first block "UI updated" are all thing that were actually present in classic wc2 and somehow didn't make it into the remaster much to the dismay of the wc2 community.
I have been waiting for this moment for 84 years...
Man, I would love to watch a War2 tourney hosted by Tasteless!
Do wc2 tourney 100%
Would watch a tournament, for sure
More like, can this same team please also patch and finish BW remastered from when they dropped it
Blame the pros. They didn't want to move from their comfort zone
Gotta commend you Tasteless for continuing to put out high quality RTS content despite the genre pushing itself into near-irrelevance. Lesser men would give up.
Even with those nerfs, I Bloodlust likely remains the best spell in the game.
Human race finally playable? Lets go!
Bit divided on this internally on the one hand wc2 is a solved game and needed a shakeup. On the other hand we won't be able to play the campaign the way it used to be anymore. Also i would have prefered more buffs for heal rather than nerfs to bloodlust but I am saying this as someone who does not play wc2 that much so what do i know. Really like all the ranged unit buffs their upgrades were always over priced.
when will they fix the movement bugs so units doesnt random get stucked while moving one place to another
Wait for Warcraft II Remaster Remastered in 2040... 🙃
I would watch any Warcraft or Starcraft tourney or cast 🎉
Petroglyph is asking if Star Wars: Empire At War is a joke to you?
So you're saying there's still a chance they fix vultures?
WTF, they do balance changes but can't even add a simple shift+click feature or anything that's been invented for RTS-s since 1997?? Glad I didn't gave money to B for THIS... 🥵
Thank you Papa Tassels ❤
Really cool to see blizz updating things
think bloodlust needed to be nerfed from 50% to ish 40-35% also and then it would be balanced. we will see! but i would try out Wc2 ladder for sure
I was a bit disapointed with the gfx; it's really uneven and sometimes downright ugly like how a deathknight looks moving... or the trolls or ogre faces... i'm glad they made a few changes but i would have prefer a few bug fixes first to be honest to make the game a bit more enjoyable
Give the option to play the patched and retro version + ladder = win
They did that with Street Fighter 2 remix. Old version remained strong. I think if you're going to rebalance the game, Human and Orc need a large diversity in strategy. Also for the love of god, make way pathing better lol. Also show the map on the minimap
They did it to take down the game from ceryain shops. So the can cash in 30 usd or smth..
I wish they normalized the damamge a little bit on... (I was going to say the ships, but hmm) everything? Pretty sure the battleship does 2-135 damage. Mind you it has like 120 HP so this is ... very relevant?
Oh hell yeah
So there is still a chance for SC:R patch for the Scout, Ghost and Queen?
Nah, pro-gamers said no.
@@Ricky-oc4xc That was said years ago, we need change. Maybe we need to ask them again.
@@CMVchannel79 No, no change. The only thing they can fix is the ladder which is just a mess of cheaters.
No changes
queens are already being used
I would play the game if I got MMR.
Is this the no show player at the KSL today ?
I'd watch some wc2 content.
Blizzard nerfed Blizzard!
I would like to see a balance toggle to go back to the way it was for a more authentic singleplayer experience. Also, I have some custom maps that revolve around the original balancing.
Fun
OK, so it's no longer Warcraft 2. Got it.
Yep they are making changes that completely destroy the old school gameplay. Everybody back in the day knew that Orcs were strongest tier 3, especially on faster game speeds. Warcraft 2 is a very old game. It's not that these changes are bad they are changes I would have made back in the 1990s. The problem is that you are making changes that fundamentally change the game.
It's fine we still have the original with the HD patch. Honestly I like that they're changing things up on the remaster, it's shaking up the meta. Elves and trolls have been so useless for nearly 30 years that it's not even funny, they literally lose to peasants/peons.