Italian from Italy here... And I have to confirm history books still fail to admit the atrocities we pulled. Sure, Fascist Italy wasn't as bad as Nazi Germany... But on the same logic shooting someone in the leg isn't as bad as cutting their leg and beating them to death with it. That said... @IntotheShadows Could you make a video on the "Riconquista della Libia" (Reconquest of Libya) or the Second Italian-Abyssinian War next? Because if we're talking of Fascist Italy's atrocities, those should be remembered too. You've even alluded to the Riconquista too.
And all I thought as being an Italian was that we were fantastic cooks. Must be that Roman blood flowing through our veins that awaking us from time to time. (BTW, both parents born in Italy, so I could only be more Italian if I was born in Italy.)
“Sure, Fascist Italy wasn't as bad as Nazi Germany”. Mmm, try travelling around the Balkan’s, the Italians tried to out do the Nazi’s to impress them. History let Italy off light, very very light.
@@davecollins6122 As I said, it was the equivalent of shooting someone in the leg compared to someone who rips your leg off and uses it to beat you to death. And didn't I suggest two other cases of Italian atrocities to complement this?
Ethnicity/origin of the writer is irrelevant. And by your line of logic, wouldn't it make sense to have a Libyan or Ethiopian write this since they were the victims? That's the trap you fall into with identity politics.
What actually matters in this case is to have an Italian-speaker as a writer, more than an Italian national. To clarify: the English language sources on Italian camps are scant, and often badly translated from the original sources. So, you need someone who can search, read and distill the original language sources.
In college I did a paper on an archaeological dig in Ethiopia of a massacre site by Italians against Ethiopian rebels. It was so insignificant to the Italians that very little written record was even done, so they had to rely on the bones and artifacts Left behind to determine what happened. The Ethiopians were seeking refuge in a cave system to hide from the Italians occupying their country and it wasn't just soldiers it was families with children and even Farmers with livestock. The Italians essentially threw in poisonous gas and blocked the exit. There were no survivors, the Italians didn't even bother to move the bodies out of the cave and left them where they died.
I find it odd that you think all of the Italians thought the massacres insignificant when they could've simply been trying to cover their tracks. They knew what they were doing was wrong, but they thought it had to be done. Conflating the motives they have to make the actions they take won't keep it from happening again.
^ like he said. i don’t believe they think it was insignificant, i believe they just don’t care and just want to save a good face by “rewriting history” (in a way that they essentially erase it from their past)
I wish Simon could sign a deal and have his educational videos such as this shown in EVERY High School around the world. If true history is not taught, we are doomed to repeat it.
Many schools give their teachers enough autonomy to put this into their curriculum if they want to. I'm a teacher and am good friends with the history teacher. I'm going to ask him about it.
This is an editorialized RUclips-centric video; not designing for a (lol) worldwide HS audience. History is taught, and yet we do repeat it, because the students cherry-pick the parts they 'learn' from.
A friend of my dad’s was a British WWII veteran. He was captured by the Italians and was a POW in Italy for a year before being transferred to a German camp. He swore the Italians were far worse than the German guards (and he said they were scum), in their treatment and torture of POWS. He said the Italians worked hard after the war to hide this…
I can't imagine how hard it is to research and compile these stories of true horror and evil. I hope it's some consolation that this channel has taught me so much. I wish mankind wasn't so brutal.
My great grandparents knew a man who fought in Italy for America, and he said the suffering of the local populace was immense due to food confiscation by the Nazis and black shirts for the soldiers, and the oppression that naturally comes with having those parties present in your area. One can only imagine how terribly they were willing to treat enemies of their state if this is how they treated their own people.
My family had lots of nasty things to say about the Nazis and their own government. My grandfather told us by 17 he had to join the army or face prison camp and when sent out to battle they didn't even have guns, needless to say he quickly surrendered to the British forces. Unfortunately it didn't get better he was a prisoner of war held in India and I wouldn't go into details about how horrifying some of the things he told us was for 8 years. Yet he never hated them or anyone speaking more to the fact that it was war and they too were following orders. My grandmother said her parents had to give the Germans what they wanted and felt like slaves to protect their daughters and I am sure you can imagine what they protected them from. So you are correct they're supposed allies and their own government didn't care about them, so it isn't a surprise how they treated prisoners etc, however it is also very important to make sure people do know what they did especially in Africa. Unfortunately I do believe it's not spoken about as much because of where that took place, and because those countries have continued to have turmoil it sadly gets lost.
My father was a kid during the german occupation in italy and told me that german troops were so low on supplies that they came to his family farm to forcefully grab pigs for food. Also other old local people told similiar stories on how they would hide sheep flocks inside caves and plough field during the night to hide their valuable possessions under the fresh moved dirt
Some where in a star system 10's of light years away a alien civilization is looking at planet Earth and saying, "Nope. Not going there. Those people are worst than animals caged in a zoo."
Alien talking to another alien after witnessing human atrocities: “You know what we need to do? We need to get the fuck out of here, thats exactly what we need to do.”
Yea you think a history nerd would know what happened in the biggest history event in the past 100 years. But most dont somehow. I remember learning about ww2 and how its importent to never forget what happened so that it wont happen again. But the truth is they only tell a verry small portion of the storry (genocide, concentration camps in Poland, 2 nukes on Japan and America and Russia endded the war). We do learn about Italy and how the popultion over there kiled there president after the war for helping hitler but thats it. Not even trying to give a true picture of that war. No one learns in school how America and England inspired Hitler to do genocide. How they worked together on a program to exterminate certain people. There is a lot of this stuff you dont normaly learn in school that people shuld know if they want to understand why and how this war happened.
It'd would be great if you could do something on the Mau Mau uprising, you know, the one where the uk ran a concentration camp, r-worded and tortured Kenyans, in the 1950s'-60s. You know, the Ally concentration camps. After WW2. The 'good guys'.
Good old Simon. Revealing monsters and martyrs and legends alike. Italian American here and I've heard of some of these. Thanks always for the Intel take care Factboi. Hope the unnamed kids and wife are good
Australian here. Undesirables sent as Convicts halfway around the world below decks shackled in chains to a steel ball. Descends who survived and worked into their graves now being called invaders. Go figure. The ones in uniform carrying gunpowder are the real problem, they still are.
There are no good wars, but this is a war in which it is good that the allies won. The two things are in no way on the same level. The Germans removed 3 million Jews from Poland. How many Japanese, Italian and German prisoners died in the US prisons? It’s disgusting that it happened and a great crime that the US interned all those people, but it is in no way comparable with the actions of the axis. Generally people who raise the point of the US internment camps use it as a means of justifying the actions of the axis.
@@simpli_histori lol, brother get some perspective. Maybe some people are just sick of the USA getting a pass on all their shitty behavior just because we've been a dominant military power for far too long. America is not great and it never has been: stop spreading propaganda.
@@simpli_histori first. yes its good that hitler lost the war, but this does not change the fact that the us, gb, and sw. did their fair share of warcrimes. like hunting down civil ships and than gunning down the survivors. or the burning of hundreds of thousands of civilians in cities like Tokyo and Dresden. and dont come with they where not the main target. if i drop firebombs into a civil area that is densely populated and in tokyos case, a city of wood and paper, i dont need to be a genius to know whats going to happen. same with the atomic bombs, if it was realy only to end the war you can drop them at the enemy fleet (minimal civilian casualties) or somewhere else as a show of force, You don't have to wipe out 2 cities.
Fun fact, my grandfather was as a police officer by force recruited into “black shirts”. He escaped and joined the partisans fighting against the Germans until the end of war. He described the “black shirts” as ruthless bloodthirsty butchers.
I think my favorite, and only camp story was I paid to see. George Takei did a Q&A. Before watching The Wrath of Khan, he described how he'd had to recite the pledge of alliance while living in an internment camp where the machine guns were turned inwards.
My mom and her sisters rode the Red Car from Alhambra, CA to Santa Anita to bring care packages of soap, toothpaste, socks, etc. to the Japanese internees there. Even in the bloody mist of war there was a bit of kindness. I just hope the guards didn’t steal the care packages.
I'm 60 f*cking years old. How is it that this is the first time I have ever heard of this? Thank you for bringing this. I'm sure there are very few schools here in America that have this in their curriculum.
Hey Simon, since you covered these camps, how about a video about those over in South America that were set up after WW2 when a CRAPLOAD(technical term of measurement that just takes to long to explain) of Nazis that migrated* to some of the countries that are "south of the equator". * migrated; c. escaped or fled
it really is amazing how little is known, or taught about this subject (in the UK at least). Everyone with a decent education, and even those who just watch films, know abouit the world wars, the nazis, the russians and all that. But the italians? Nope, no idea.
A good follow up video would be one dealing with the Years of Lead. The decades of low intensity and somewhat forgotten violent clashes between mostly communists and fascists in Italy that never quite escalated to the level of true crisis or near civil war, thus was often intentionally ignored internationally and even somewhat amongst Italians.
You need to make a video of the Ustaša in Croatia and they’re concentration camp system that specifically targets Serbs. Talk about the way the prisoners were tortured in the most grotesque ways and the even more gruesome ways they were slaughtered. The highest levels of SS officers were even disgusted at what the Croats were doing to these people. Most people have no idea of the Ustaša and it’s pretty unfortunate, they compete with the Japanese and the Soviets in sheer brutality in my opinion. Pure evil
Aside from the Japanese that were sent to camps in Hawaii and the Continental US, i do wonder what other camps in the Allies kept? Did the UK have any? What happened to Japanese, Italian and German emigres to other countries?
Don't forget Canada; we were just as guilty of the "Interment Camps" where those immigrants were sent after having all of their possessions stolen and sold that they couldn't carry in a suitcase. One of our great shames as a country for sure.
The British had camps for political prisoners in South Africa and India where conditions were no better than those in German camps (but minus the gas chambers, the Brits preferred a more personal approach, firing squads and gallows). The Dutch prior to WW2 had several camps for concentrating "undesirables" and others the government didn't know what to do with (including Jewish refugees from Germany). The Germans happily took over those camps after overrunning the country, kept the Dutch guards (most of whom were members of the Dutch nazi party), and used them as temporary holding areas for people to be sent off to the extermination and labour camps. Similar in France and Belgium.
blink and you'll miss it. It is not a fussnote, that thing alone was a prequel to people's state of mind on Balkan that sparked in 90s war... an echo...@@ignitionfrn2223
@@JuleyC I agree, but the title is very misleading. It does not specifically note it’s about Italian concentration camps. Italy was part of the Axis Alliance, as was the Croatian Ustashe regime, which created Jasenovac.
As a descendant of italian immigrants, this is the kind of history lesson we need. People need to understand that the first country that the facists invaded was their own.
No they were not. Concentration camps were used during the Cuban-Spanish war and by Russia during the Bar Confederation rebellion in the 18th century. The Romans used a crude form of concentration camp during the Gothic wars. Perhaps you should try reading a history book instead of comics.
00:48 Is a photo of Japanese-American internees at the Heart Mountain Relocation Center in Wyoming, not an IMPERIAL Japanese internment camp as the narrator indicates; the error is highly insensitive and insulting.
Hellooooo! Long time no see, indeed! What are you up @StaticImage? I have never really left RUclips, and here is a full playlist of my ‘pieces’ in case you have loads of time to waste … ruclips.net/p/PL5HdD4llmKakNQ5zoxIkLLPN-j-evibdf&si=zqqW10lDAzdz9Bzq
@@arnaldoteodorani277Great to hear from you! I usually listen to these videos now while doing other things, so I just haven't been seeing any of the credits. I'm glad to see you're still pushing out more great content.
@@arnaldoteodorani277And hey, while I have your attention, may I recommend a topic? I'm not sure how the workflow is there, but I think Japanese Hell Ships would be a great topic for this channel. Again, really great to see you again, my friend.
They think they are the superior Asian race. So you know when you mention stuff like their crimes against humanity in Korea the Japanese nationalists go the attack like a bunch of Zionists
I never knew any of this. I just thought Italians were useless in the war, not trying to be as bad as the germans. How did we allow these crimes to go unpunished?
@AlexS-uo7uk They copied the Spanish concentration camps in Cuba from 1896. This is not to say the British camps were not horrific, but they did not invent them.
There is plenty of talk about the Axis Powers an their hateful acts (though I will admit this video's information was new.) The thing that really surprised me, because they were never mentioned while I was growing up where the interment camps setup inside the US for Japanese Americans. I was in my 30s before I found our about this crime of my home country.
Mussolini approved the deportation of almost a million italian soldiers into lagers (after 8/9/43), to force them into joining his army. Fascism was a nightmare. N4zifascism was a true horror
I have a passable knowledge of Germany's actions during WW2. But very little regarding other Axis powers or colonies. Can anyone recommend any good books or media to learn more that is entry level?
I do wonder, if Italy hadn't joined the war (it was by choice) I wonder what Italy, Lybia, Eretria, Somalia and Ethiopia would like today. These poor people. I assume there would have been Soviet backed revolutions eventually and these people would have freed themselves...IDK Maybe the West/Allies would have held them accountable but I have my doubts.
Hold up. Before you lump the American Japanese internment camps in with the German, Italian, and Japanese camps, can you make a video explaining exactly how the American camps compared to those camps? There were reasons the American camps were created, some of them real and some of them imagined.
We didn't go around killing Japanese immigrants and Japanese Americans. Don't misunderstand me, many of the camps we're not prepared for this number of people and many were summer facilities that were completely unprepared for housing people in winter. Moreover, the fact that we didn't deport these groups from Hawaii, which was the only real territory at risk of conquest by the Japanese but did so on mainland America undermines any rationale for this deplorable act. But it wasn't genocide and there was no mass murder. And people also forget that we did also intern foreign nationals from countries that were with the United States as well as the leadership and many members of fascist pro-German and pro Italian organizations in the United States like the German American bund. The FBI did not do a very good job of figuring out who was a threaten wasn't at first. For instance, Jewish refugees were thrown in camp with the German American Bund, which led to violence. (I don't personally lose any sleep over members of the German American fund being beaten up by refugees from Nazi Germany)
@@heathrunyon4036i suppose they tried to make a loose connection between the amount of prisoners in the modern US, with the fascist regime’s horrific mass murder. I won’t say the treatment of our prisoners and the recidivism rate is NOT embarrassing and probably intentional, but to make a direct reference to the atrocities of 1940’s European fascists is… a stretch. To say the least
The fact that you compare the two is an insult to the Jewish victims of Germany and the victims of Japan in east Asia. You are making a gross and intentionally bad faith argument in a desperate attempt to seemingly justify the holocaust. You are sick
I’m 3:23 minutes in this video. And I must say that it feels a bit strange with such up-beat music accompanying such a grim subject. Edit: I am now 10:57 minutes in and the up-beat music is still there. I must admit that I think it disrespectful towards the people who suffered in these camps. Maybe the editor should keep this in mind for the next video? Think about the subject and what type of “tone” that would suit it, if one is to add music at all. Just a thought. Otherwise I think that the video is in itself good. And I haven’t seen many who have mentioned the camps of the Italian government during Mussolini’s rule.
Wpuldnt it just have been easier to have these people in uniform, or paid and fed and working well? Imagine how overwhelming the force of well fed africans and muslims (also well paid) could be?
@@xenophanes.it’s not a month of Ramadan it’s the moon called Ramadan and it doesn’t look like fasting but more like feasting. They change the day in to night and over eat themselves with all health problems coming with that.
I suspect that racism may have played a role in the Allied willingness to overlook Italian atrocities-- Greeks, Slavs, and Africans were likely deemed "acceptable targets" by American and British authorites.
* camps in Germany and POLAND OCCUPIED BY GERMAN ARMED FORCES. Do not mistake tormentor and victim, that's sort of understatement (at best) which leads to the blurring of real history.
Dear editors: please stop including sound effects for every single new bit of archival footage and new fact, it drives people up the wall. There’s no need for constant “swoosh effects” or random ringing noises. It doesn’t help maintain audience screen time retention. Also why on earth are you using trap drums for a ww2 concentration camp video?? I don’t understand why you would do this it ruins an otherwise great video content.
Have to say, I'm not at all surprised to hear that the Italian Axis had camps, but I am surprised that I've never heard of them before.
If I had to guess, the effects of Italian Migration into the US includes influences on what western children were taught about Italy during WW2.
@@raymondgalbraith983You might be on to something if German Americans didn't make up a larger portion of the population.
Italian from Italy here... And I have to confirm history books still fail to admit the atrocities we pulled. Sure, Fascist Italy wasn't as bad as Nazi Germany... But on the same logic shooting someone in the leg isn't as bad as cutting their leg and beating them to death with it.
That said... @IntotheShadows Could you make a video on the "Riconquista della Libia" (Reconquest of Libya) or the Second Italian-Abyssinian War next? Because if we're talking of Fascist Italy's atrocities, those should be remembered too. You've even alluded to the Riconquista too.
And all I thought as being an Italian was that we were fantastic cooks. Must be that Roman blood flowing through our veins that awaking us from time to time. (BTW, both parents born in Italy, so I could only be more Italian if I was born in Italy.)
American from America here. Nice.
@@js5665 God punished the ancient Romans for their iniquity by turning them into Italians and dividing their lands. This is sarcasm
“Sure, Fascist Italy wasn't as bad as Nazi Germany”.
Mmm, try travelling around the Balkan’s, the Italians tried to out do the Nazi’s to impress them.
History let Italy off light, very very light.
@@davecollins6122 As I said, it was the equivalent of shooting someone in the leg compared to someone who rips your leg off and uses it to beat you to death.
And didn't I suggest two other cases of Italian atrocities to complement this?
This was truly horrific. Thank you for shedding a light on these under exposed atrocities, Simon and Co.
I am glad to see that Arnaldo wrote this episode - it matters to have an Italian writer for this.
You mean he’s being an Uncle Vinnie?
Ethnicity/origin of the writer is irrelevant. And by your line of logic, wouldn't it make sense to have a Libyan or Ethiopian write this since they were the victims? That's the trap you fall into with identity politics.
@@howhigh0521 Hello, Arnaldo here (author of this episode). Could you clarify what is meant by being an ‘Uncle Vinnie’? Thanks!
What actually matters in this case is to have an Italian-speaker as a writer, more than an Italian national. To clarify: the English language sources on Italian camps are scant, and often badly translated from the original sources. So, you need someone who can search, read and distill the original language sources.
@@arnaldoteodorani277 I agree but let's be honest, that's not what OP meant.
Didnt ever hear anyone talk about this thank you
In college I did a paper on an archaeological dig in Ethiopia of a massacre site by Italians against Ethiopian rebels. It was so insignificant to the Italians that very little written record was even done, so they had to rely on the bones and artifacts Left behind to determine what happened. The Ethiopians were seeking refuge in a cave system to hide from the Italians occupying their country and it wasn't just soldiers it was families with children and even Farmers with livestock. The Italians essentially threw in poisonous gas and blocked the exit. There were no survivors, the Italians didn't even bother to move the bodies out of the cave and left them where they died.
I find it odd that you think all of the Italians thought the massacres insignificant when they could've simply been trying to cover their tracks. They knew what they were doing was wrong, but they thought it had to be done. Conflating the motives they have to make the actions they take won't keep it from happening again.
^ like he said. i don’t believe they think it was insignificant, i believe they just don’t care and just want to save a good face by “rewriting history” (in a way that they essentially erase it from their past)
I wish Simon could sign a deal and have his educational videos such as this shown in EVERY High School around the world. If true history is not taught, we are doomed to repeat it.
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”
Many schools give their teachers enough autonomy to put this into their curriculum if they want to. I'm a teacher and am good friends with the history teacher. I'm going to ask him about it.
It's up to people outside of the education system to show this to kids, cos the education system will NEVER teach kids/teenagers this.
This is an editorialized RUclips-centric video; not designing for a (lol) worldwide HS audience.
History is taught, and yet we do repeat it, because the students cherry-pick the parts they 'learn' from.
A friend of my dad’s was a British WWII veteran. He was captured by the Italians and was a POW in Italy for a year before being transferred to a German camp. He swore the Italians were far worse than the German guards (and he said they were scum), in their treatment and torture of POWS. He said the Italians worked hard after the war to hide this…
I can't imagine how hard it is to research and compile these stories of true horror and evil. I hope it's some consolation that this channel has taught me so much. I wish mankind wasn't so brutal.
My great grandparents knew a man who fought in Italy for America, and he said the suffering of the local populace was immense due to food confiscation by the Nazis and black shirts for the soldiers, and the oppression that naturally comes with having those parties present in your area. One can only imagine how terribly they were willing to treat enemies of their state if this is how they treated their own people.
My family had lots of nasty things to say about the Nazis and their own government. My grandfather told us by 17 he had to join the army or face prison camp and when sent out to battle they didn't even have guns, needless to say he quickly surrendered to the British forces. Unfortunately it didn't get better he was a prisoner of war held in India and I wouldn't go into details about how horrifying some of the things he told us was for 8 years. Yet he never hated them or anyone speaking more to the fact that it was war and they too were following orders. My grandmother said her parents had to give the Germans what they wanted and felt like slaves to protect their daughters and I am sure you can imagine what they protected them from. So you are correct they're supposed allies and their own government didn't care about them, so it isn't a surprise how they treated prisoners etc, however it is also very important to make sure people do know what they did especially in Africa. Unfortunately I do believe it's not spoken about as much because of where that took place, and because those countries have continued to have turmoil it sadly gets lost.
My father was a kid during the german occupation in italy and told me that german troops were so low on supplies that they came to his family farm to forcefully grab pigs for food.
Also other old local people told similiar stories on how they would hide sheep flocks inside caves and plough field during the night to hide their valuable possessions under the fresh moved dirt
Very interesting and informative. I'm a teacher and didn't think the Italian camps were more than work camps. Sad to know how ignorant I was.
The Jasenovac concentration camp would also be a good subject for a video, that one is much less known about as well
Some where in a star system 10's of light years away a alien civilization is looking at planet Earth and saying, "Nope. Not going there. Those people are worst than animals caged in a zoo."
Maybe we are alien TV No1s comedy channel.
Alien talking to another alien after witnessing human atrocities: “You know what we need to do? We need to get the fuck out of here, thats exactly what we need to do.”
We are viruses with legs. To show kindness to us is to sign their own death warrant. We cant help it. We are fundamentally wrong.
11:42 anyone else thinking “hey that’s not that bad given the other circumstances” which is awful
I consider myself a well-read student of history, but I'm ashamed to admit I know *almost nothing* about the subjects contained in this video. 😢
Me too
The more I know, the more I know nothing…
Yea you think a history nerd would know what happened in the biggest history event in the past 100 years. But most dont somehow. I remember learning about ww2 and how its importent to never forget what happened so that it wont happen again. But the truth is they only tell a verry small portion of the storry (genocide, concentration camps in Poland, 2 nukes on Japan and America and Russia endded the war). We do learn about Italy and how the popultion over there kiled there president after the war for helping hitler but thats it. Not even trying to give a true picture of that war. No one learns in school how America and England inspired Hitler to do genocide. How they worked together on a program to exterminate certain people. There is a lot of this stuff you dont normaly learn in school that people shuld know if they want to understand why and how this war happened.
Considering yourself a well read student of history was your first mistake lol
It'd would be great if you could do something on the Mau Mau uprising, you know, the one where the uk ran a concentration camp, r-worded and tortured Kenyans, in the 1950s'-60s. You know, the Ally concentration camps. After WW2. The 'good guys'.
Good old Simon. Revealing monsters and martyrs and legends alike. Italian American here and I've heard of some of these. Thanks always for the Intel take care Factboi. Hope the unnamed kids and wife are good
I know this is weird but could we do a video on the concept of labor camps/concentration camps to see each country perspective on forced labor...
Australian here. Undesirables sent as Convicts halfway around the world below decks shackled in chains to a steel ball. Descends who survived and worked into their graves now being called invaders. Go figure.
The ones in uniform carrying gunpowder are the real problem, they still are.
I don't think it's weird.
Suggestion: American internment camps that held Japanese Americans, Italian Americans and German Americans.
There are no good wars, but this is a war in which it is good that the allies won. The two things are in no way on the same level. The Germans removed 3 million Jews from Poland. How many Japanese, Italian and German prisoners died in the US prisons? It’s disgusting that it happened and a great crime that the US interned all those people, but it is in no way comparable with the actions of the axis. Generally people who raise the point of the US internment camps use it as a means of justifying the actions of the axis.
@@simpli_histori lol, brother get some perspective. Maybe some people are just sick of the USA getting a pass on all their shitty behavior just because we've been a dominant military power for far too long. America is not great and it never has been: stop spreading propaganda.
We had a communosociofascist President at the time
@@simpli_histori first. yes its good that hitler lost the war, but this does not change the fact that the us, gb, and sw. did their fair share of warcrimes. like hunting down civil ships and than gunning down the survivors. or the burning of hundreds of thousands of civilians in cities like Tokyo and Dresden. and dont come with they where not the main target. if i drop firebombs into a civil area that is densely populated and in tokyos case, a city of wood and paper, i dont need to be a genius to know whats going to happen. same with the atomic bombs, if it was realy only to end the war you can drop them at the enemy fleet (minimal civilian casualties) or somewhere else as a show of force, You don't have to wipe out 2 cities.
Not a complete video but there is a segment in the The Most Shocking ALLIED War Crimes about the american camps
Thanks. With all the historical emphasis on Nazi atrocities, most people don’t know about what Mussolini’s Italy did.
Thanks for talking about this!
Fun fact, my grandfather was as a police officer by force recruited into “black shirts”. He escaped and joined the partisans fighting against the Germans until the end of war. He described the “black shirts” as ruthless bloodthirsty butchers.
1:25 Chevy Chase is looking rough.
I think my favorite, and only camp story was I paid to see. George Takei did a Q&A. Before watching The Wrath of Khan, he described how he'd had to recite the pledge of alliance while living in an internment camp where the machine guns were turned inwards.
is that similar to the pledge of allegiance?
@@pawglover37 Curse you, autocorrect!
My mom and her sisters rode the Red Car from Alhambra, CA to Santa Anita to bring care packages of soap, toothpaste, socks, etc. to the Japanese internees there. Even in the bloody mist of war there was a bit of kindness. I just hope the guards didn’t steal the care packages.
I'm 60 f*cking years old. How is it that this is the first time I have ever heard of this? Thank you for bringing this. I'm sure there are very few schools here in America that have this in their curriculum.
That's the first problem. Our education.
Wow, I really needed to know all this.
What keeps you going, slick ?
Hey Simon, since you covered these camps, how about a video about those over in South America that were set up after WW2 when a CRAPLOAD(technical term of measurement that just takes to long to explain) of Nazis that migrated* to some of the countries that are "south of the equator".
* migrated; c. escaped or fled
He has already did a shitload of videos about this topic
@@Pavlos_Charalambous I didn't know....have only been following for a few months now. I will look for em
That's like walking into a shop and complaining that they have no celery before looking at the fruit and veg Isle
@@grimreaper-fullsend My bad...geez
@BOHICAupurs it's all good bro, I'm just joking, hope you have a good day my man
it really is amazing how little is known, or taught about this subject (in the UK at least). Everyone with a decent education, and even those who just watch films, know abouit the world wars, the nazis, the russians and all that. But the italians? Nope, no idea.
A good follow up video would be one dealing with the Years of Lead. The decades of low intensity and somewhat forgotten violent clashes between mostly communists and fascists in Italy that never quite escalated to the level of true crisis or near civil war, thus was often intentionally ignored internationally and even somewhat amongst Italians.
And my misanthropy deepens... viruses with legs.
I love those who think that Britain was one of the "good guy's" during WWII.
Compared to the Germans and Japanese they were.
@@simonkevnorris Ask the Indians/Bangladeshis.
There were not and never will be any "good guys" ever. Human DNA is fundamentally wrong.
@@mikesiciliano210 Why?
German camps in Poland. Poland never had camps on her own.
This is so informative, I had no idea about the Italians were doing this.
Another great video
You need to make a video of the Ustaša in Croatia and they’re concentration camp system that specifically targets Serbs. Talk about the way the prisoners were tortured in the most grotesque ways and the even more gruesome ways they were slaughtered. The highest levels of SS officers were even disgusted at what the Croats were doing to these people. Most people have no idea of the Ustaša and it’s pretty unfortunate, they compete with the Japanese and the Soviets in sheer brutality in my opinion. Pure evil
i think he might have already done one or maybe it was disturban
@@mmmmmmmmaria it was Disturban. But he very well might have it’s just impossible to know being he has so many channels😂. This guys incredible
Aside from the Japanese that were sent to camps in Hawaii and the Continental US, i do wonder what other camps in the Allies kept? Did the UK have any? What happened to Japanese, Italian and German emigres to other countries?
Don't forget Canada; we were just as guilty of the "Interment Camps" where those immigrants were sent after having all of their possessions stolen and sold that they couldn't carry in a suitcase. One of our great shames as a country for sure.
The British had camps for political prisoners in South Africa and India where conditions were no better than those in German camps (but minus the gas chambers, the Brits preferred a more personal approach, firing squads and gallows).
The Dutch prior to WW2 had several camps for concentrating "undesirables" and others the government didn't know what to do with (including Jewish refugees from Germany). The Germans happily took over those camps after overrunning the country, kept the Dutch guards (most of whom were members of the Dutch nazi party), and used them as temporary holding areas for people to be sent off to the extermination and labour camps.
Similar in France and Belgium.
@@jwenting Complete bollocks!
Thanks!
Earth truly is Hell.
The Italian army in ww2 is seen more as incompetent than anything else.
Which makes focusing loose on its crimes:/
my best friend's grandfather was a child living in italy at the time, it was hellish
Do one on the powatomi
This is tragic. Rest in peace to those that passed away.
Good vid.
Have you done a show on the Tiananmen Square massacre or Uighur concentration camps?
He did one just the other day on Chinese camps
For the workings on concentration camps I recommend The Theory and Practice of Hell by Eugen Kogon
“Other Axis Camps?” How is Jasenovac not in this video? I guess it would require its own video.
It's not?!!
I came to see this specifically... I guess it's not aligned with Simon's pandering agenda.
Well, he DID mention a croatian camp at 12:45
blink and you'll miss it. It is not a fussnote, that thing alone was a prequel to people's state of mind on Balkan that sparked in 90s war... an echo...@@ignitionfrn2223
I'm going to give benefit of doubt and say since it was "owned and operated" by the Ustasha and not Italy is why.
@@JuleyC I agree, but the title is very misleading. It does not specifically note it’s about Italian concentration camps. Italy was part of the Axis Alliance, as was the Croatian Ustashe regime, which created Jasenovac.
I really feel inaugurated is a weird word to use for a concentration camp. I don't know why but it hits the ear wrong.
Video #3 begging for there to be no catchy background music to the morbid, macabre history channel
As a descendant of italian immigrants, this is the kind of history lesson we need. People need to understand that the first country that the facists invaded was their own.
Who gives an onion as a ration. Talk about torture.
I would like to see an episode on the US Japanese internment camps
We also had Italian and German camps. Some were here in North Carolina, I think both were housed here actually at one point.
It's sickening the things humans do to one another. I am so grateful to have been born when and where I was. 🙏🏻☮️
You should do a video on the concentration camps on the US mainland during WW2 (if you haven't already). A war crime that is really talked about
Cocentration Camps: an invention of the english in 19th century Boer war in Southern Africa
No they were not. Concentration camps were used during the Cuban-Spanish war and by Russia during the Bar Confederation rebellion in the 18th century. The Romans used a crude form of concentration camp during the Gothic wars.
Perhaps you should try reading a history book instead of comics.
I'm Italian and I'm ashamed. Many of my family members mind-blowingly keep on supporting fascism. Luckily the world improves one funeral at a time.
We need a video on Tuskegee!!!!
on the airmen? cause he's already done one on the syphilis study
There's one out there already, and a Hollyweird movie.
00:48 Is a photo of Japanese-American internees at the Heart Mountain Relocation Center in Wyoming, not an IMPERIAL Japanese internment camp as the narrator indicates; the error is highly insensitive and insulting.
Arnoldo Teodorani!!!! I haven't seen that name in a long time!!!!!! Man, it's great seeing your name again, Arnoldo!
Hellooooo! Long time no see, indeed! What are you up @StaticImage? I have never really left RUclips, and here is a full playlist of my ‘pieces’ in case you have loads of time to waste …
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@@arnaldoteodorani277Great to hear from you! I usually listen to these videos now while doing other things, so I just haven't been seeing any of the credits. I'm glad to see you're still pushing out more great content.
@@arnaldoteodorani277And hey, while I have your attention, may I recommend a topic? I'm not sure how the workflow is there, but I think Japanese Hell Ships would be a great topic for this channel.
Again, really great to see you again, my friend.
Yeah you never hear of all this. Sometimes you got to dig deeper.
if there's one thing that just makes me curious is the fact that humans really enjoy watching really messed up stuff.. why are we so gross😅
It may be to be aware of how depraved humans can behave? I presume the are some sickoes out there that get their rocks off though.
Italy never built any concentration camp
- TikHistory
Oh, the irony
Do one on the British against the boers
Japan was never held accountable.
They think they are the superior Asian race. So you know when you mention stuff like their crimes against humanity in Korea the Japanese nationalists go the attack like a bunch of Zionists
Talking about not being held accountable, maybe let's talk about the 'allied' powers?
@@bluupadoop true, the Japanese internment camps in America is something that gets swept under the rug.
@@bluupadoop let's do a whole series on whataboutism?
@@archstanton6102 you better start a whole channel devoted to it brother. Oh wait, I forgot we made America great again, my bad 😂
I never knew any of this. I just thought Italians were useless in the war, not trying to be as bad as the germans. How did we allow these crimes to go unpunished?
Cough..
Britain and the Maw Maw concentration camps 1959.
*Mau Mau. And let's not forget the Brits basically invented modern concentration camps in South Africa 1899-1902
@@AlexS-uo7ukthe Germans based their externination of the Armenian and Pontic genocides, not South Africa.
@AlexS-uo7uk They copied the Spanish concentration camps in Cuba from 1896. This is not to say the British camps were not horrific, but they did not invent them.
Let's not forget Civil War prison camps like Andersonville and Camp Sumpter in the 1860s.@@archstanton6102
@@AlexS-uo7ukand their administrator, one Winston Churchill.
I'd like to see a video on the Allied concentration camps. Specifically the American and Canadian ones of WW2.
There is plenty of talk about the Axis Powers an their hateful acts (though I will admit this video's information was new.) The thing that really surprised me, because they were never mentioned while I was growing up where the interment camps setup inside the US for Japanese Americans. I was in my 30s before I found our about this crime of my home country.
I think the first time I heard about them was in the movie Die Hard.
Mussolini approved the deportation of almost a million italian soldiers into lagers (after 8/9/43), to force them into joining his army. Fascism was a nightmare. N4zifascism was a true horror
I have a passable knowledge of Germany's actions during WW2. But very little regarding other Axis powers or colonies.
Can anyone recommend any good books or media to learn more that is entry level?
Mussolini's granddaughter is running for office
I do wonder, if Italy hadn't joined the war (it was by choice) I wonder what Italy, Lybia, Eretria, Somalia and Ethiopia would like today. These poor people. I assume there would have been Soviet backed revolutions eventually and these people would have freed themselves...IDK Maybe the West/Allies would have held them accountable but I have my doubts.
Sorry Simon, I had to stop 1/2 way, too much!
You should do a similar video on Francisco Franco’s regime.
There is no “good fascism”.
Could you make a video about cfs/me pls ?
Please make an episode about Op SEARCHLIGHT
I don't know why RUclips always eats my comments. All I said was that the dictator faced a kind of justice.
Hold up. Before you lump the American Japanese internment camps in with the German, Italian, and Japanese camps, can you make a video explaining exactly how the American camps compared to those camps? There were reasons the American camps were created, some of them real and some of them imagined.
To note, the US has about 6000 prisons, jails, and correctional facilities.
They also had an internment camp for the Japanese during WW2
What prisons hot to do with concentration camps?
@@heathrunyon4036they are an anti American lib, they just want everyone to hate the US the same as them
We didn't go around killing Japanese immigrants and Japanese Americans. Don't misunderstand me, many of the camps we're not prepared for this number of people and many were summer facilities that were completely unprepared for housing people in winter. Moreover, the fact that we didn't deport these groups from Hawaii, which was the only real territory at risk of conquest by the Japanese but did so on mainland America undermines any rationale for this deplorable act. But it wasn't genocide and there was no mass murder. And people also forget that we did also intern foreign nationals from countries that were with the United States as well as the leadership and many members of fascist pro-German and pro Italian organizations in the United States like the German American bund. The FBI did not do a very good job of figuring out who was a threaten wasn't at first. For instance, Jewish refugees were thrown in camp with the German American Bund, which led to violence. (I don't personally lose any sleep over members of the German American fund being beaten up by refugees from Nazi Germany)
@@heathrunyon4036i suppose they tried to make a loose connection between the amount of prisoners in the modern US, with the fascist regime’s horrific mass murder.
I won’t say the treatment of our prisoners and the recidivism rate is NOT embarrassing and probably intentional, but to make a direct reference to the atrocities of 1940’s European fascists is… a stretch. To say the least
The fact that you compare the two is an insult to the Jewish victims of Germany and the victims of Japan in east Asia. You are making a gross and intentionally bad faith argument in a desperate attempt to seemingly justify the holocaust. You are sick
I’m 3:23 minutes in this video. And I must say that it feels a bit strange with such up-beat music accompanying such a grim subject.
Edit: I am now 10:57 minutes in and the up-beat music is still there. I must admit that I think it disrespectful towards the people who suffered in these camps. Maybe the editor should keep this in mind for the next video?
Think about the subject and what type of “tone” that would suit it, if one is to add music at all.
Just a thought. Otherwise I think that the video is in itself good. And I haven’t seen many who have mentioned the camps of the Italian government during Mussolini’s rule.
Wpuldnt it just have been easier to have these people in uniform, or paid and fed and working well? Imagine how overwhelming the force of well fed africans and muslims (also well paid) could be?
I got a warning on this video 😂
Howdy howdy
I can not Watch this type pf podcast anymore So sad and depressing . I am going to have to be more selective of what is available in future videos.
And Europe used Spain as the test ground for camps and weapons.
While most European Countries shun the beliefs of the 1930s Germans, Ukraine still embraces them to this day.
Hello simon u'm still fasting you know now holly month (ramadan) & I enjoying watching your amazing videos 😊
Month or moon? Fasting or feasting?
@@pindakaas4443???
@@xenophanes.it’s not a month of Ramadan it’s the moon called Ramadan and it doesn’t look like fasting but more like feasting. They change the day in to night and over eat themselves with all health problems coming with that.
Wait, this isn't about Derrick Lewis at all.
😂😂
Japan 🇯🇵👀
Hi
I would love a video about the Japanese camps in America during ww2 we never hear about what those were like
100th comment.
Yippeee!
This isn’t Jasenovac
I suspect that racism may have played a role in the Allied willingness to overlook Italian atrocities-- Greeks, Slavs, and Africans were likely deemed "acceptable targets" by American and British authorites.
Jesus
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* camps in Germany and POLAND OCCUPIED BY GERMAN ARMED FORCES.
Do not mistake tormentor and victim, that's sort of understatement (at best) which leads to the blurring of real history.
i hate that RUclips auto deletes comments on videos like this with the same filters as all other videos. you can't even discuss the content really.
*puts fingers together and flips off Simon in Italian*
Dear editors: please stop including sound effects for every single new bit of archival footage and new fact, it drives people up the wall. There’s no need for constant “swoosh effects” or random ringing noises.
It doesn’t help maintain audience screen time retention.
Also why on earth are you using trap drums for a ww2 concentration camp video?? I don’t understand why you would do this it ruins an otherwise great video content.