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Boris from not having absolutely no idea how nuclear reactors work to confidentiality explaining the working of an entire model of a nuclear power plant is epic...and him and Valary getting one last chance to sit down & to be honest with each other. So wonderful
Lyudmila survived Chernobyl, had a child despite the doctors saying she wouldn’t be able to and moved to Kyiv. Meaning she’s now in the middle of the war in Ukraine. Unimaginable what kind of pain lying autocrats have put her thrown her lifetime.
She's not in Kyiv anymore. She went to Poland when the war started and has said she has no intention of ever going back to Ukraine even when the war ends. She is so done with Russians ruining her life.
Welcome to the final episode...well done getting through this show...it is a tough one. I really like the way the makers of the show added the notes at the end to cover some of the things they got wrong, simplified, or made more dramatic...I just wish they had done more of that, or been more honest. For example, they say that "it has been reported" that everyone on the "Bridge of Death" died...but those reports are very much NOT true....so technically, they are being truthful, but not quite. Other things they do not admit to, I can understand...such as the fact that Legasov was not even at the trial of Dyatlov and company...but it is kind of necessary to turn him into a kind of hero figure and have him do much more than he really did so that the story can be simplified enough for most folks to keep track of. I figure by now you have read the History vs Hollywood article, so you know most of the truth...at least I hope that is the case. ✌
Gorbachev is actually the one with the port-wine stain on his head. The one who actually was willing to listen, went on to end the cold war and dissolved the Soviet Union which did lead to an economic collapse. He campaigned for democracy, creating social democratic parties that are now all banned by Putin. He died this summer and was refused a state funeral. Putin hated him for what he had done and shunned him out of the public eye. Truly heartbreaking.
Everything about this finale was absolutely brilliant! Showing and explaining how the reactor exploded at the end rather than the beginning is such a smart choice it opens up so much more for the series as a whole and doesn't feel like a retread of what we already saw!
why would it not be possible now? The trial of Johnny Depp was viewed by millions live worldwide. Since OJ Simpson we have seen several trials brodcasted live from the courtroom. If if anything that trial would be broadcasted by the Soviet Union for certain be because in real live this obviously would have only been a show trial in which the conclusion and punishment are already clear by the start and it only serves to feed the people a sense of justice that never existed in the USSR. So they would want all people to see it.
Yeah, the reactor building has been completely covered by the enclosure, but it has an expected effective lifespan of 100 years. Then in might well have to covered by ANOTHER containment shell of greater size and cost. Logically, this might result in a succession of geometrically increasing shells going on into the far future. One idea is that eventually robots or remote drones will be advanced enough to completely deconstruct the facility and clean it up; but you've seen from the effects radioactivity has on fine electronics, that might not work any time remotely soon.
What pisses me off the most is that one of the guys in charge ended up not only surviving but also going back to work for the government energy department. WTF. And he continued to deny deny deny.
Amazing show! Thanks for reacting to it, guys! (Just remember it was a show and not a documentary) The real people's characters were fictionalised. Neither Dyatlov nor Bryukhanov or Formin were such inconsiderate dicks. Bryukhanov was actually a very wise, quiet, patient person. He really had nothing to do with the test or the disaster.
Boris Sherbina is high up in the Soviet government. He outranks all those in the courtroom. That's why they listen to him. I've not seen any reactor who gets that.
Great series!!! If you enjoyed this series, try watching the movie Citizen X about the Soviet Union's first recorded serial killer. The Soviet government did the same thing as they did with Chernobyl, they repeatedly denied there could be a serial killer in Russia. Great flick staring Donald Sutherland. Check it out!!
Much respect for you, for watching this amazing well produced series, a real-life event reenactment. Your discussions before and after the episodes were engaging, and showed your learning and understanding. You deserve more interesting series and movies to watch. I suggest movie directors such as Stanley Kubrick (2001, A Space Odyssey, Dr Strangelove, A Clockwork Orange, The Shining, Full Metal Jacket, Barry Lyndon), and Alfred Hitchcock (all of his work, at least Rear Window and Psycho). Also check out the parody comedies by Mel Brooks. Please yourself and us with watching Blazing Saddles.
One quick note...the numbers at the end for death toll do include those in the long term. The main reason there is such disagreement about how many were killed by the Chernobyl disaster is the fact that the USSR did not distribute stable iodine to prevent everyone's thyroid from taking in the radioactive iodine. So all the issues that stem from that failure are not really due to the disaster itself, but are really the fault of the USSR. However, if you look at the groups that have the highest estimates for how many people were killed by Chernobyl, they all hate nuclear power...and they thus count all the deaths that came from thyroid problems as being due to the disaster, since that makes nuclear electricity generation seem to be less safe than it is. There is no doubt that the death toll the USSR assessed...31...is ridiculous...but so is 93,000...the most likely range of deaths is in the 10k to 30k range.🖖
When someone dies of cancer 16 years later, did they die because of Chernobyl? It's not straightforward to answer. So estimates of death secondary to Chernobyl come from things like analysis of excess deaths: how many people died of cancer vs. how many people would you have expected to die of cancer, and so on. Unfortunately, the data on both what happened after Chernobyl, and on what happened before (necessary to derive expectations) suck. This is a *major* source of the uncertainty in the cost of the accident.
@@Big_Bag_of_PusIf the person did not get stable iodine and gets thyroid cancer...no matter mow much later...then international organizations like the IAEA and WHO count that as a death that could have been prevented, and it is not normally included in the death toll. I believe the last WHO study on Chernobyl came up with a death toll of around 4000, IIRC. But you are absolutely correct that the fact that the USSR did not keep any good records is another very large part of the reason why it is so difficult to accurately assess how many people were killed by the disaster, and how many were killed by the USSR's incompetence and malfeasance.
The USSR ceased to exist just a few years later, so they weren't really able to assemble an official death count based on later cancer rates. Of course it's "unchanged," they don't exist to be able to change it.
@@elbruces They did not keep records even before the USSR collapsed, and they had several years to update it with any additional deaths that occurred...but of course they did not.
By the events at Chernobyl, the Soviet system was already rotten to a core. The terrible mismanagement of the accident, straight up lying and secresy of the officials blew everything wide open, for everyone to see how poorly the country was lead. The terrible death toll and sheer indefference and stounding neglegct of human life from the government was kind of the catalysator for the chain of events, that tore the whole regime down, eventually.
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Boris from not having absolutely no idea how nuclear reactors work to confidentiality explaining the working of an entire model of a nuclear power plant is epic...and him and Valary getting one last chance to sit down & to be honest with each other.
So wonderful
Loved him in this!! - John
Yeah, that going from I can throw you out of the helicopter to close friend. Love it.
Lyudmila survived Chernobyl, had a child despite the doctors saying she wouldn’t be able to and moved to Kyiv. Meaning she’s now in the middle of the war in Ukraine. Unimaginable what kind of pain lying autocrats have put her thrown her lifetime.
She's not in Kyiv anymore. She went to Poland when the war started and has said she has no intention of ever going back to Ukraine even when the war ends. She is so done with Russians ruining her life.
Boris before he died was also in charge of aftermath of big earthquake and handled it really well
In Armenia, I believe.
"Now I fear the cost of lies" Still very much relevant in todays world, especially when it comes to certain governments mishandling of the pandemic.
Welcome to the final episode...well done getting through this show...it is a tough one. I really like the way the makers of the show added the notes at the end to cover some of the things they got wrong, simplified, or made more dramatic...I just wish they had done more of that, or been more honest. For example, they say that "it has been reported" that everyone on the "Bridge of Death" died...but those reports are very much NOT true....so technically, they are being truthful, but not quite. Other things they do not admit to, I can understand...such as the fact that Legasov was not even at the trial of Dyatlov and company...but it is kind of necessary to turn him into a kind of hero figure and have him do much more than he really did so that the story can be simplified enough for most folks to keep track of. I figure by now you have read the History vs Hollywood article, so you know most of the truth...at least I hope that is the case. ✌
Also I love the name of the last episode: "Vichnaya Pamyat" - "Everlasting Memory"...
Gorbachev is actually the one with the port-wine stain on his head. The one who actually was willing to listen, went on to end the cold war and dissolved the Soviet Union which did lead to an economic collapse. He campaigned for democracy, creating social democratic parties that are now all banned by Putin. He died this summer and was refused a state funeral. Putin hated him for what he had done and shunned him out of the public eye. Truly heartbreaking.
Technically they’re Mongolian blue spots.
Everything about this finale was absolutely brilliant! Showing and explaining how the reactor exploded at the end rather than the beginning is such a smart choice it opens up so much more for the series as a whole and doesn't feel like a retread of what we already saw!
They didn't broadcast things like that trial then, nor would it be possible now. Thanks for your reaction, guys)
why would it not be possible now?
The trial of Johnny Depp was viewed by millions live worldwide.
Since OJ Simpson we have seen several trials brodcasted live from the courtroom.
If if anything that trial would be broadcasted by the Soviet Union for certain be because in real live this obviously would have only been a show trial in which the conclusion and punishment are already clear by the start and it only serves to feed the people a sense of justice that never existed in the USSR. So they would want all people to see it.
Yeah, the reactor building has been completely covered by the enclosure, but it has an expected effective lifespan of 100 years. Then in might well have to covered by ANOTHER containment shell of greater size and cost. Logically, this might result in a succession of geometrically increasing shells going on into the far future. One idea is that eventually robots or remote drones will be advanced enough to completely deconstruct the facility and clean it up; but you've seen from the effects radioactivity has on fine electronics, that might not work any time remotely soon.
Great reaction boys 👍
Thank you!!
Some of the best TV i've ever watched. Enjoyed watching it with you guys. Thanks for posting.
Very well done show!! Thank you!!
People on the Bridge of Death did survive into old age. There has been research but I don’t remember the numbers.
What pisses me off the most is that one of the guys in charge ended up not only surviving but also going back to work for the government energy department. WTF. And he continued to deny deny deny.
Amazing show! Thanks for reacting to it, guys! (Just remember it was a show and not a documentary) The real people's characters were fictionalised. Neither Dyatlov nor Bryukhanov or Formin were such inconsiderate dicks. Bryukhanov was actually a very wise, quiet, patient person. He really had nothing to do with the test or the disaster.
So he didn't hide the fact that not all safety tests had been conducted?
Boris Sherbina is high up in the Soviet government. He outranks all those in the courtroom. That's why they listen to him. I've not seen any reactor who gets that.
Great series!!! If you enjoyed this series, try watching the movie Citizen X about the Soviet Union's first recorded serial killer. The Soviet government did the same thing as they did with Chernobyl, they repeatedly denied there could be a serial killer in Russia. Great flick staring Donald Sutherland. Check it out!!
Much respect for you, for watching this amazing well produced series, a real-life event reenactment. Your discussions before and after the episodes were engaging, and showed your learning and understanding.
You deserve more interesting series and movies to watch. I suggest movie directors such as Stanley Kubrick (2001, A Space Odyssey, Dr Strangelove, A Clockwork Orange, The Shining, Full Metal Jacket, Barry Lyndon), and Alfred Hitchcock (all of his work, at least Rear Window and Psycho).
Also check out the parody comedies by Mel Brooks. Please yourself and us with watching Blazing Saddles.
PS. For a great TV-series: check out Mad Men. It has 7 seasons of 13 episodes and covers the whole of the 1960s decade.
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One quick note...the numbers at the end for death toll do include those in the long term. The main reason there is such disagreement about how many were killed by the Chernobyl disaster is the fact that the USSR did not distribute stable iodine to prevent everyone's thyroid from taking in the radioactive iodine. So all the issues that stem from that failure are not really due to the disaster itself, but are really the fault of the USSR. However, if you look at the groups that have the highest estimates for how many people were killed by Chernobyl, they all hate nuclear power...and they thus count all the deaths that came from thyroid problems as being due to the disaster, since that makes nuclear electricity generation seem to be less safe than it is. There is no doubt that the death toll the USSR assessed...31...is ridiculous...but so is 93,000...the most likely range of deaths is in the 10k to 30k range.🖖
When someone dies of cancer 16 years later, did they die because of Chernobyl? It's not straightforward to answer. So estimates of death secondary to Chernobyl come from things like analysis of excess deaths: how many people died of cancer vs. how many people would you have expected to die of cancer, and so on. Unfortunately, the data on both what happened after Chernobyl, and on what happened before (necessary to derive expectations) suck. This is a *major* source of the uncertainty in the cost of the accident.
@@Big_Bag_of_PusIf the person did not get stable iodine and gets thyroid cancer...no matter mow much later...then international organizations like the IAEA and WHO count that as a death that could have been prevented, and it is not normally included in the death toll. I believe the last WHO study on Chernobyl came up with a death toll of around 4000, IIRC. But you are absolutely correct that the fact that the USSR did not keep any good records is another very large part of the reason why it is so difficult to accurately assess how many people were killed by the disaster, and how many were killed by the USSR's incompetence and malfeasance.
The USSR ceased to exist just a few years later, so they weren't really able to assemble an official death count based on later cancer rates. Of course it's "unchanged," they don't exist to be able to change it.
@@elbruces They did not keep records even before the USSR collapsed, and they had several years to update it with any additional deaths that occurred...but of course they did not.
By the events at Chernobyl, the Soviet system was already rotten to a core. The terrible mismanagement of the accident, straight up lying and secresy of the officials blew everything wide open, for everyone to see how poorly the country was lead. The terrible death toll and sheer indefference and stounding neglegct of human life from the government was kind of the catalysator for the chain of events, that tore the whole regime down, eventually.