Wow guys! I had no idea this video was going to get the views and responses it has. Thank you so much for taking the time and for all the kind words! To be honest I’m not sure if technically I’m really “back” but you guys are certainly making me consider it with all the love! I simply wanted to share my opinion on the game since I felt like it wasn’t getting a fair shake. Hopefully the devs will listen to the community, fix some of the issues & make it even better! Thanks again my friends!
How did you tone down the reverb/echo of the cars ? I cannot figure this out within the sound options and on track such as Suzuka/Nurburgring it is quite annoying even in cockpit view.
Hey man really appreciate your video and your opinions on this mess it's certainly appears genuine I do shake my head everytime tou give this game praise but if you've put the time in your in a better position than I as I installed and deleted it in my mind within ten minutes of the first videos coming out due to the restrictive nature of this thing It's in no way a simulator for that assetto is the only way on console Devs won't listen to the gaming community they never do I can say this because if they would of stayed the course with fm7 with car updates then there rep would be intact As it stands I refuse to be restricted in how I play a racing game the fact I cant jump in a car after hours of career progression and just drive what I want how I want with as much power as I want It's restrictive I going to stick with fm7 and enjoy the freedom it provides still to this day Forza motorsport (2023) is a shadow of forza motorsport 7 Why reinvent the wheel it already works so well haha Have a good one dude
So you don’t recommended buying the game and don’t understand why the negativity? After 6 years of development and so many promises in pre release. It feels just like beta. And now we have to sit and hope the will fix it. That deserves all the backlash and refunds.
I've been playing racing games since 85. This is far an beyond anything I've played before. I find the physics are incredible. People need to also realize Turn 10 will constantly updating and adding features for years.
It's a arcade racer. If ur really into real racing ACC. But if ur a adult iracing is byfar the pinnacle. Always full lobbies of every type of racing u want
As someone who spent $100 on this game, I couldn't be happier. Can't wait to see what other features and fixes they bring in the future, but so far I've really been enjoying it
I'm with you. The handling is surprisingly good and they struck the sim v fun balance better than GT. It's a good base game and I'm anticipating new stuff that makes me smile.
@@flyingplantwhale545 I have zero bugs, and the game plays great on my heavily under-spec i7 6700K / 1080 ti @ 1080p Auto pegged at 60 FPS. More than 30 hours into the game at this point and having a lot of fun with the online racing - that’s such a huge improvement over the other Forza games that I simply do not care about some of the smaller issues that I don’t even encounter.
I like a lot of the points you made here. I really enjoy the feel of the physics and the updated multiplayer. However, currently my biggest issues with the game are random server disconnects and game crashes while in multiplayer races. Some nights it can get as bad as a complete game crash every other online race. I'm hopeful for future patches though. My current feelings about the game are, when it works, it works really well! I just want it to get to a point where that's the more consistent state.
Thanks a lot man! I still haven't jumped online just yet since I'm focused on the "career" mode for the moment but I've also heard that about the servers in the last few days. I believe they'll get that squared away in time since it's seems that's going to be a big part of the game and well liked by the community. Also I doubt you'll remember this but we chatted a few times a long time ago when you were first starting out. Back in the Forza 4 days lol. Way before I dove head first into the sim racing thing. It's pretty damn awesome how far you've come since then. Well done Sir!
The game needs some polish and more content (later). I can confirm the crashes. Had two minor crashes in multiplayer today. The first time in the middle of a really good qualifying round and right the next game while training. But I'm sure they will fix it soon.
Penalty system also needs some work. After the first online race I was rated as a dirty player after a guy hit me straight. It was gone after next race but I was concerned. But overall the system works. Had a race from the 5th place and in the second corner a guy hit me massively. After that crash I was dead last, thirty seconds behind the field. I end the race 7 seconds behind but the game rate me 7th place cause the other guys had a lot of penalties. 😂
I 1000% agree with you Dan. I’ve been having a blast playing the game. Sure its not perfect and it has it’s small issues but it’s a product that’s supposed to be supported long term. One guy commented on one of my videos saying he’s so disappointed and he’s not gonna get it because its called motorsport and there are no races in career mode for actual race cars. I dunno where he got this information from because the featured races section has 3 races dedicated to race cars on rotation right now. Not to mention the multiplayer hoppers are really good so far with the spec races. I think people always set themselves these wildly unreasonable expectations of certain games and then get upset when its 100% not what they would have made.
@@flyingplantwhale545 Halo Infinite has been supported long term. And as for Xbox's track record, a good place to look at to see how Xbox support their games long term is Microsoft Flight Simulator. That game/sim has had an absolute ton of updates and features added that the community requested. I expect Turn 10 to do the same thing here.
@@97Crazysteve Wrong. There are races with race cars and races you can use the cover car in, but not until you get to the Open Class races at the end of career mode.
Two really big GT7 streamers - Rory Alexander and Kireth - have been glowing about FM, and a huge GT7 streamer - and Forza legend, Super GT, has also been very supportive. I am a PS5 owner witha PC. Unfortunately my Logi G Pro wheel is not compatible with an X Box, but im keen to try it out on PC, but wary of costs involved with constant upgrades. Ive not seen too many really negative YT reviews. Good on Forza. I hope it is succesful.
My favorite part about it is that you can feel the ffb change everytime you edit your setup and buy new parts. I think the physics are great. Played acc comp, automobilista, acc, iracing, etc. I think its great
I’ve been playing it for-oh hi, by the way. I’ve never seen your channel before but other than Luke Riley, you are the only person I’ve seen who understands this game- anyway, I’m newish to racing games/sims. Played Project Cars 2, Assetto 1, GT, and Forza over the years and this game is getting a bad rap for no reason in my opinion. FM23 is miles better than FM7. No it’s physics aren’t exactly like life but the principles of the physics are there. I’m the type of person who when I’m going for a sim experience, I turn off all assists, aside from racing line during braking just because I have horrible vision and have trouble seeing the turns so I use that to show me where the turn is, but aside from that, zero assists in any sim/game that I’m trying to get a realistic experience from and FM23 does a good job. It’s fun, it’s very detailed. I spent hours just touring favorite car interiors. The physics can be tweaked to closer resemble reality and I think you’re right. After FM7, there’s no way that the people giving it such a bad score are sim racer fans. Gotta just be game pass customers who tried it for an hour or two.
That's the unfortunate state of YT and other social media. A 6 or 7 out of 10 doesn't bring engagement. A 10/10 or 0/10 is what you need to get the views. It's good to see someone that cares about viewers instead of views. Glad to see you back Dan.
I'm excited how legendaries and Oldtimers are used in multiplayer. AC Physics doesn't get me anywhere cause no one drives rare cars online. Everyone just goes for GT3. Hope Forza is a nice change.
This is why I like your videos, you really think about it and you talk common sense every time. I'm really tired of other Sim racing channels always shooting-down Simcade or Arcade racing games unfairly. As if all Sim racing games are better when they are not. I remember you did a video a few years ago about the state of the Forza series. I basically wrote that Turn10 needed to design a career mode that keeps the player invested in it because all the Forza games at that point had all the cars available to drive in Time-Trial and Quick-Race. And to Turn10's credit they have fixed it and now people are crying because they think it's too Grindy. They are upset that they can't buy all the race cars in 1 hour all tuned-up for multiplayer and forget about the rest of the game. That's modern society, people expect everything on a silver plate without doing the hard work.
It's not just sim racers who blast it, fire comes from both sides. Casual simcade racers blast it for stock grind required to unlock any customizations. If it was just things like power upgrades, it would be one thing, but in Forza you can't do any tunning on stock parts. It doesn't help that default tunning on starter cars is pretty rubbish, so first move of experienced players is to take it to garage and fix that mess, which they can't, because tunning requires max level parts. Not the best first impression. And you have to repeat stock grind for every new car you want to drive, which is positively demoralizing.
I completely disagree. IF the AI kills you and you have to restart several times just to get a clean start, stop pretending you'll play this atrocity long term. I won't condone genocidical AI. GAME I s B R o K e N .
If T10 didn't want people to criticize it like a sim than they wouldn't market it as a sim and "the most technically advanced racing game on the market". Stop getting your feelings hurt on T10's behalf. They are a bunch of goofs who actually don't know anything about real racing.
If you turn all graphics up, at least 125% resolution, and all ray tracing on, the game looks photo realistic, especially at night. If you don’t do that, agree, the graphics without ray tracing don’t look good. I have a 3090 and am able to do this and get around 60 fps.
What do you mean they're wrong? They literally backed up everything with clear footage of exactly what they were describing. And it's not just youtubers. Check the steam ratings. Are those people also making stuff up or they giving their own experience?
Ok watched the whole video. You confirmed all my worries I had from other reviews. Bad optimization, bad AI and in general not a game worth the price it has. Some people can ignore the issues and still have fun, like you do, but some can't so you can't say they're wrong.
The frustration I think I have with it is they spent 6 years making this game and it doesn't feel like it. I'm relegating myself to the fact that games don't get released in a finished state anymore. Unfortunately, they took 6 years to make this and they told us it was being rebuilt from the ground up, but it doesn't feel like it. And I think that's the sad part about it in a sad commentary on modern AAA gaming.
I think some people are disappointed because they got less tracks than expected, and quite a smaller car list than expected, and some complain about graphics (i personally like it better this way, it's looks more cleaner & realistic & not exaggerated) & one more problem is the CarPG system is really messed up, other than that i still think this is a solid Game, i've been enjoying it since i got it, and i am ok with the car list & track list (more than enough for me but ofc i want more) and i only have just one car of each, i don't get duplicates, so this doesn't annoy me, though i can understand why it's an issue for others (hope they fix it) I never understood the drift Complaining, but i can relate, I think they should've kept that at least, but Drag imo is not necessary
I've loved this game for the first 20hrs of play I've put in - what I've found is the core game is great. The racing is really engaging, story is great fun to progress through, the AI is fun and fairly challenging, and going outside the career mode is also really engaging. There are quite a few issues which have been bugging me that others haven't really gone on about, like AI crashing constantly going in and out of pits in the practice laps, the reuse of FM7 active wing and spoiler etc, very few cars from 2019 onwards, but those are honestly niggles in the face of how much fun this game is. Can't wait for some updates, new career expansion, more multiplayer - its going to an awesome long play for me. But kicking me off a career race the moment my internet connection drops? Oooo that hurt.
@@dpguarnero the AI has some massive issues - slamming it's brakes on at a 100mph apex sucks, and sometimes it brakes on front of you on a straight if you're close behind like it panics. Definite space to be improved, but it's barely day one - the multiplayer seems like the place to be! Had a fun couple of races, with no-one murdering anyone else, hopefully it'll not get polluted with shameful rammers
I experienced that horendous AI driving thing where coming out of the pits they seem to be on a flier and truly couldnt give two shits if you were on the racing line. I'm sure thats something that can be patched, but for now I am treating cars coming out of the pits as if they are road warriors in Mad Max and I have a family at home waiting for me.
I'm having a really good time with the game so far. My biggest gripe is the AI in the builders cup. I'm not sure if it's a bug in the game, but anytime i get in the lead or pass any car for that matter, they seem to just give up and end up way behind me. I have the AI difficulty set to 6 so it's still a challenge to catch them, it just seems like they slow down after i pass them which sucks. I want them to push me.
I decided to try it on gamepass before spending money on it. I believe the game is going to grow really well overtime. After loving multiplayer I decided to buy the premium add on content
I think this might be a good alternative to iRacing for us living in Third World countries - the track selection seems pretty good. Haven't tried it yet but the upgrade system / caRPG seems to suck (like any half-assed "RPG" system in games that don't have anything to do with Roleplaying). I also would like the customization system to be better than Forza Horizon's. I hope this thing plays well with my G29.
While iRacing grabs your monthly, they don't lie and say Nordschliffe will be in the game. Wait until you vomit and have to pay $20 for the nords DLC. This CEO promoted this game like it was god's gift, and it's mediocre. You are only buying the CEO his yacht. How could this AI and game be in such bad shape after 6 years? Well, the CEO didn't hire enough programmers, and drank super expensive wine! Wake up!
I really don't agree with him on the career specially if you played Forza Motorsport 4 and old GT's... FM 4 had many stuff in the career and was getting really close to GT. Forza Motorsport 8 is by far the worse career I have seen in a Forza Motorsport, it's basically generic like Project Cars and other games... Just a few generic races the same as you do in Free Play. Basically the whole career you chose a car and have to do many same races with it just in different tracks and each one even has another pointless practice laps to take your time (which you can skip but you will have less points to upgrade car for the next race), you just keep finishing and moving to the next, there isn't anything different, there's also currently no drift, no drag or anything else, *THERE ISN'T EVEN RACING CARS RACES on the career mode at this moment in time* (so yeah forget about GT2, GT3, LMP.......... there isn't a single racing in the entire career). And then the car progression is pointless cause I tested, basically you can simply finish a whole series of races without upgrading the car if you want it's all the same cause when you upgrade usually the others upgrade either on the same race or for the next one while if you keep the car stock they will also stay stock so it's not even required to do level up and is for you to chose but at least with slow cars the best thing is try to upgrade as much just to finish the booooring races faster LOL, that's the whole point of leveling up for me 🤣 ps: BUT THE NEW GAMEPLAY IS TOTALLY THE BEST EVER FOR A FORZA😎 Really hope they fix most issues fast and add a ton more content specially tracks, hell it doesn't even have Nurburgring full track, just the small ones and that's my favorite track by far, I want nordschleife since day 1 🤬
Love the review man! Only thing I would have to say is on the Xbox series X there is a big graphical difference. Not only on the car models, not all of them but most as well as the atmosphere which I think really brought Motorsport 8 to life. The sun rays and time change and even the track textures are so much better in my opinion. I think Turn 10 really optimized it for the Xbox rather than PC. I think there may be some more graphical patches later for pc because I will say that from whatI have seen it does look pretty bad on PC but really really good on the Series X.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on the car parts unlocking mechanism implemented here. I was never a Forza fan in the past. I played the odd Horizon over the years because it was fun, but if I wanted a true racing fix I deferred to Gran Turismo on a gamepad, and to AC, ACC, the first Project Cars and rFactor 2 for league racing on a wheel. I unlocked the game last night only, and barely played an hour of it in the Subaru with a gamepad. It doesnt take long to get the hang of driving with a pad, and the car does feel extremely understeery on acceleration with loads of lift-off oversteer into corners. It requires you to learn how to drive a car like that. Its what you would expect from an all-wheel drive car. The Mustang being rear-wheel drive and the Honda being front wheel drive will allow you to learn different driving physics...and these are the 3 cars they present to you as a beginner. This is perfect. All driving mechanics are under one umbrella. And the parts unlock? It is exactly what you would expect from real-world racing. You do well enough and earn enough money through experience, and you can buy the parts required to creep up to the rating limit for your car in that competition; being careful not to exceed it and disqualify yourself from said competition. The one thing I have learnt from games that give you access to everything all at once (in what is supposed to be the flagship game mode) is that people latch onto what their preferred weapon, and the playerbase dies a slow death as people get bored, stop playing and only the die-hards remain. With this model, each unlock feels like an accomplishment. A dopamine hit. Making you just a tad quicker than you were in the last race. And as you progress your car upgrades and your gained skill in driving that car will see you do better and better as time goes on. It's not the disappointment some reviewers made it out to be, and I could see it within an hour of play last night. I am personally looking forward to spending hundreds of hours on my PC with a gamepad driving the snot out of different cars and enjoying the multiplayer as even Gran Turismo on the Playstation became stale to me.
I just played it, 3 hours in. I'm absolutely in love with it. The physics feel like 8x more detailed. However, the lighting is fucky at times and looks really dull. But I'm having a blast so far. AI is not as bad as in the early videos. My guess is it has trained itself considerably since. I'm infatuated with it. It reminds me of the jump from forza 1 to the (then) next generation xbox 360 and forza 2, and how big of a jump that was Xbox 360 to One was shittiest generational jump imo, but this current gen is really amazing now that devs left the old shitty gen behind (fucking finally) It truly is a huge generational jump
As a Forza Veteran whos played every Forza game to pretty much "completion" and a predominantly controller player, the driving feels better than ever. Despite some graphical bugs its the best Forza has ever looked. That being said the game feels extremely shallow, only a few career races, no GT or LMP tour in a "Motorsport" game is insane, outdated car models still being put in, lowest number of tracks i think we've ever had, the removal of drag and drift modes, hundreds of left behind vehicles that im not sure why couldn't be brought over from FM7, no auction house, and no "extra" content like bowling or infection, as silly as that may be. To sum up my view of the game as a Forza Veteran, Turn 10 has built a phenomenal foundation for the future of Forza Motorsport, but thats all it is, a foundation. I know tracks, cars, amd features will be added in, but inhave a gut feeling based off of other Microsoft titles that itll be several years before we have enough content to be up to par with previous entries at launch. If you like Forza Motorsport this is a must play, just be prepared to wait for things like the auction house, or nordschleife, or cars like tue C6R to added back to the game. I give it a 7.5/10 in its current state, but give it a year or two of content and it has potential to be the best Motorsport yet.
I actually really like the car leveling system. It makes you think about what you want to do. I’m sure if you’re a completionist it might take forever. For me it’s like what are the cars I need to have in my garage and what cars I will probably never touch.
I think when more casual players start playing the game the opinions will soften a bit. I can't wait to play it and I will put a lot of time in it...I did for 7 and that game was bad.
The criticism on career and car progression also does not reflect with me. I like it. To be honest, i hated it in Forza7 to be showered by cars, more cars then i wanted to use. For me Forza was and is a racing game where i only use a couple of cars i like. But for many it is since a long time a "Car Pokekmon Meme Tune Game" - and those people hate Forza for exact this reason.
Hit the nail on the head with the majority of your comments. The grind does feel rewarding with the upgrade system being paced accordingly. That being said, I'd like to see how the carreer mode gets updated live. I don't want to wait 2 days to do my next championship in the Featured Tour. Like to see more Featured tour events going live simultaneously across different categories to give that variety, or more of the showdown classics that we saw of old eg Ferrari Vs Lamborghini, Subaru Vs Mitsubishi. I miss the challenges that were on Forza games of old to. That being said, the physics is a pleasant improvement once you get your wheel settings tweaked. I view it as being halfway house between FM7 and AC; Frustratingly rewarding when you turn all assists off.
I'm really hoping they get creative with the Featured tour events. So many amazing possibilities with it and I agree, releasing several at once would be more favorable.
Thank you for naming the points about the career i experienced too. For some reason i had a very similar feeling when i played GT1 career on PS1 25 years ago. I guess there are quite some similarities especially in terms of grind and the rewarding feel after winning a series with the right approach of the upgrade you did before.
I absolutely agree with your breakdown here of FM. This is my first time coming across your channel, definitely appreciate how you voice your opinion. My intentions coming into the game were to mainly stay online, however after playing the first few races in career ive only done the online qualifiers 😅 i cant believe how hard i have to drive sometimes, i mean damn near perfect, to catch an a.i.. its incredible.
Forza has a lot of potential.....couple if updates n it could be great.....forzas problem is that people are comparing it to gt7.....and its just not ready for that right now. Still can't wait to have a go.
6+ years in development and it isn't ready to be compared to a 1.5 year old game? What? Why are they getting a pass for shipping unfinished crap? Missing features like race length and wheel offset adjustment. Low fps for a racing game, stutters, crashes, useless rear view mirrors. They may have improved the handling feeling but anything was better than fm7. I really wanted this to be good because i used to like forza but they dropped the ball on this so far. Go look at the known issues page, it's like war and peace long
I’ve got 20+ hours in already and I’m loving it, I’m playing on Series X with a controller and it’s running great. I really enjoy the new career and progression and multiplayer is sooo much better than in previous titles. I actually enjoy the hoppers now!
@chrisnorrell7489 I just think if people see it as its own thing it should be good. It isn't, nor has it ever been on gran turismos level in terms of the driving physics and realism, on top of that gt7 has really upped the bar in terms of console sim racers. Arguably the best gt yet. But yh let's see how forza goes, I reckon 2 or 3 updates in and it could be something good.
From what I’ve seen the only people who genuinely enjoy this game are people who are regular gamers. People who don’t really look into game development and understand where the harsh criticism comes from. As a raw game, just raw gameplay, it’s great. It’s beautiful, the cars sound amazing. The atmosphere in this game is also definitely more focused into racing as opposed to feeling like a game that just has cars in it. But the mechanics and design of this game are awful. Beyond awful. In the past couple of years gamers are far more educated about game development. So we can clearly tell when devs just get lazy and cut corners. I don’t have to go over every issue with this game because it’s so blatant, if you’re happy with every stock car being bugged, the AI having zero awareness, and the rigged difficulty settings, we’ll have fun guys😂. This game was just lazy
I use the same wheel set up as yourself. I play mostly assetto corsa on xbox the original one not acc. I've got the game feeling extremely close to it ffb wise and am loving it. Its not identical obviously but it really isn't far off
To add to you point about AI consistency: My biggets problem with the AI is that if i drive well enough to get to the front, no matter how fast the AI was, as soon as i pass it, they just seem forget how to drive. Most of the race I'm fighting for time, and then i get into pole with sometimes less than a lap left, and then finish the race 5-10 seconds ahead of 2nd? Needs a bit of work. Awesome review. Subscribed.
Count me in as another huge fan of the game. I love the caRPG aspect of the game and honestly, it just doesn't take that long to level up a car but I usually only make small changes to a car and don't want to immediately throw an 800 HP engine in one and hit the track. I appreciate taking the time to get to know the nuances of the car driving it stock for an hour or so. Career mode has been great and I know they will add to it. If five hundred cars isn't enough for you, I don't know what to say. The free race aspect is fantastic as well and I love just hopping in something and creating a custom race. Also, Rivals is another way to level up your car and have some fun with it. But then again, I cut my teeth on GT2 and GT3 where you basically started with one car and had to work your way up just to get access to the more competitive classes. I remember driving a Del Sol for a week before getting to my second, more powerful car.
That's great for a bit, but when you just want to buy a car, tune it, and drive - it gets old fast. The system was created to increase hours on Game Pass - you can AFK grind out the levels in a few hours, so long as you check in every fifteen minutes.
It depends, some cars have things on a insane high level and others at very low level however I'm totally fine with the upgrade system... But I'm very disappointed with career mode cause it's just random generic races the same as doing in FreePlay and very similar to most PC only pure sims boring generic careers... There's nothing different, no drift, no drag or anything at all and the worse is there's even no racing cars races on the current career so no GT3 or any kind at all which is pretty odd for a Forza Motorsport. And the car RPG stuff is a bit pointless cause I tested entering a race after upgrading and the others upgraded and I checked the car with the highest value and exited the race and entered again and the highest value was exactly the same, so I went back to upgrades and put all at stock and did 2 starts and exits on the same race and the others were also kept stock so basically likely you can simply opt to not upgrade anything as it doesn't make much difference, it's not like real RPG where you would go a level up and makes things easier but rather you upgrade, they upgrade or upgrade on the next race and stay almost the same with some small differences depending at which point they upgrade after you... Other thing that makes me pissed is it doesn't have the full Nurburgring track which should have been there since day 1, I really want nordschleife fast. Now on the gameplay is really where this new Forza Motorsport improved big time, it's my favorite gameplay ever from all Forza Motorsport's. ps: Forza Motorsport 4 was by far the highest point on all Forza in terms of career and the closest ever to Gran Turismo. Now even GT7 is not what it used to be but this forza still is like only 5% of the GT7 career which is already going bad for a while since after GT6 which was my last favorite career of all racing games and can't decide between GT4 and 6...
A couple remarks: the 4090Ti does not exist. It’s just the 4090. « RTX » is a marketing term for Nvidia graphics cards. So you can either refer to it as RT or ray tracing.
Hi mate. Ryzen 5 5600x, 2080ti, 32gb ddr4 ram, installed on an M2 Nvme drive, running at 1440p. I have v-sync enabled, locked at 60fps. Settings are mainly high, with a couple of things turned off (motion blur and lens flare). Using Dlss on quality mode with RT car reflections on and it's running at a steady 60fps, maybe with the odd drop to mid fifties. Using a Thrustmaster T300rs wheel and T3PA pro pedals and I've only done minimum tweaking and it feels fantastic, miles better than FM7. I love to grind so the car upgrading suits me and will keep me interested for a long time. All in all I'm really enjoying it so far. Great video :) P.S. Going on about older players, I was 64 May just gone.... :D
I am currently at level 47 driver so I got some time in the game. I too am using a wheel and pedals (R12 and supporting cast on PC) Its a beautiful looking game far better than FM7, not sure why you think that and the Ray Tracing looks fine and no it doesn't tank a 4090. maxed settings I'm getting, about 110fps at 4k. I think the game could look a little better or get better frames. Nvidia already released one driver update but I didn't notice much. As for the career, I love the grind. I love stretching out the mods and feeling each one improve the car. Trying to tweak the right things to get the edge need to progress. Fox body cup was a blast by the way.
I'm an older gamer myself and have played a myriad of racing games from burnout and need for speed to ACC and project cars 1/2. Personally, I'm iffy on the physics as an awd car shouldn't lock up and swap ends at 30-50% brake pressure on stock settings (a legacy issue of all forza titles imo) and feel wonky. As for the "CarPG" aspect, I don't like that either. I should be able to buy better tires, brakes and suspension components when I can afford them in my opinion. I definitely don't like having everything from the get-go like the later horizon titles but being able to get the car drivable with my limited resources is a priority. Solid video though and a pretty balanced perspective compared to other reviews though and I appreciate that. I want to know what others think.
Big sim racer here(AMS2, RF2,ACC,AC, Raceroom, Iracing)...I'm really excited to try this out. It appears to be a bit easier as far as the 'entry point' is concerned and the inclusion of a real single player path, and the SR/DR racing system online...I could see myself sinking myself into it. To see someone with a 'moderate' system playing is refreshing also. Seeing all these videos with insane specs doesn't really give me a realistic viewpoint.
I’ve played it and I play iracing too. Graphics wise and leisure forza is better. Not as competitive and uptight about SR and rating as iracing and way easier to get high SR and rating. I just started and I already have S safety rating and 4,612 out of 5000 rating
@@scottwoodtraining yea iracing is expensive at first but I’ve had the same account forever now so I have a good bit of the content and don’t really ever have to buy much
my biggest issue and why i think the hate is somewhat justfied is the lack of difference to forza 7 even tho its been 6 years and they promised us a fully revamped game in every way, i see a few tweaks yes but in general the fans have been ignored, specifically the fans of immersive motorsport and race cars.
The career has good potential but is missing almost any kind of spice or variety. Almost every cup is some version of "Buy a class A/B/C street car with (insert restriction here)". Why don't we have a modern LMP series? Same goes for GT, pre-war cars, 60's F1, classic LeMans, modern hypercars, 90s supercars, "go karts" (Caterham, X-Bow, etc), single-brand series ("All Ferrari"), powertrain layouts ("Front-Engine V12s"), and so on. With so much potential it's hard to get excited about doing three straight events that are basically, "Euro Hatches" followed by "Euro Sedans" and finally "Euro Coupes"
I just found your channel,just subscribed. I agree with what you’ve said about the game. I run the same Fanatec as you and would like to see a video on your settings. I messed around a little Saturday night,but still would like to see other settings. Thanks for the video.
The main issue with car level is something you have not experience yet but if you want to try the Rivals mode and the "Meta" car in that Class is a specific car you never leveled up, well, it takes you 50-100 laps before you have level up your car enough to have the upgrade you need to be competitive in that mode. That's the only issue I have with this level up system. Also if you sell that car and you buy a new one, you go back to level 1.
the game needs some bug fixes and some overall refinement but the core gameplay is really good. the online racing is some of the best fun i've had all year and i'm hyped for the next few years of content
If this is the best answer to PlayStation, then your morale is defeated and desperate. This game totally sucks at this stage, and the CEO had the gall to release it to syphon your pockets! This is total shit compared to GranTurismo 7. This is at least 2 years from proper release. Thank you, you beta testers who aren't paid to develop the game, but are paying them.
@@virtualawakening2299 gt7 is great, i play that too. but i've been sucked into online racing in FM for the last week. i'm having fun so that's all that matters. i also have a high end pc so the optimization issues don't really affect me, just the occasional glitch. patch coming this week though
Ive been playing a ton as i think it is still really solid my big complaint is fps jumping all around 110-90 then boom 30 and you have to restart other wise looking forward to updates sounds and control are fantastic
Loved the honest review and would like you to post a video on the FFB settings so I can get my wheel dialed in. There are so many sliders and some of them are not clear on the effect they have.
I'm glad you could experience the game and enjoy it. I spent $100 for the game on Steam and the game won't launch. I'm hopeful for a day 1 patch today that will fix the launch issues.
T10 never said it was the most realistic physics engine. They said it was the most technologically advanced. Pure realism was never what they were going for.
I got the game on gamepass to try it out before I buy, needless to say I am THOROUGHLY enjoying it. The multiplayer is a massive improvement with the skill and safety rating system, and the steering wheel physics while not perfect are the most tuneable in Motorsport history. The car leveling system can be frustrating but being someone that played a lot of cod growing up I weirdly prefer this system. I like having to drive the cars in their stock form so I can truly appreciate all of the upgrades I put on it and feel the difference each part makes vs just slapping full upgrades on a car the second you buy it. Cheers and great video!
As someone that has spent +$100 for the game, I'm extremely disappointed. Everything is wrong with the game. 5 out of 10 is the best possible score anyone can realistic give this game regardless of console or PC play. Your are strickly biased if you say anything different. This isn't a SIM racer, and I wish people would stop saying this. Everyone is completely wrong. It wasn't built from the ground up like they said, this is actual fact. With all of that being said, the diving is good, and that's it. If cyberpunk hadn't already been released it would be getting the same exact backlash that cyberpunk did on release. FM7 is 10 fold better than this game, so your opinion means nothing, you are a completely wrong. This game isn't even remotely close to being in the same ball park as FM7, what are you smoking my guy. FM7 is like the absolute best Forza to date. 4 and 3 are even better than this one.
I said at the beginning of the video it falls in the middle for me between good and bad. That would be the equivalent to 5/10 so I suppose we agree even though your comment sounds like you're saying we don't lol. Definitely has some bugs for sure. I hope it will get polished as well and become a strong game for a long time to come! For the Forza 7 thing, you're about the only person I've ever heard have anything remotely good to say about it. I'm starting to feel like you're trying to pull my leg because Forza 7 was shit lol
We do agree about the 5/10, but FM7 is significantly better and I'm not pulling your leg. This game literally has only one good thing going for it, the diving. EVERYTHING else is absolute dogshit. How you didn't like 7 is just crazy. At times it looks good, but the car leveling and car points and overall lack of polish along side the worst AI I've ever ran against in ANY car game drops this below every FM except 1 and 2, because I didn't play those titles so I can't have an opinion on them. But FM7 was absolutely gorgeous, ran smoothly to boot, and the AI didn't suck. The track selection was infinitely better. I can't fathom this one ever being better than FM7 regardless of any future updates. I mean you said it yourself, you have to lower your expectations just to play it with a sound mind. Realistic expectations are generally speaking better in EVERY category compared to it's predecessor, but it only surpassed it, barely that is, in the driving mechanic, and that's it.
I’ve done trackdays in cars in real life, it is realistic. I’ve also swapped out suspension and brakes etc for track use. Not had any problems with using a controller.
I like working for the upgrades in career mode. But I don’t like that I can’t build a car specifically for a certain class for online play without leveling it up first. Also set class hopper lobbies need to come back. Maybe a class rotation Lobby? But I feel like I can’t take the cars I have built and just go race other peoples builds.
Yea I agree with pretty much everything you covered. I'm using the same wheel on Series X and once you get the settings dialed for the wheel it feels as good as any game I've ever played. I'm late 40's and been sim racing 20+ years. Other than the AI being bad and the wheel settings being rough out of the box I think the game is amazing and the best Forza we've had since Forza 4 and 100% the best Forza on a wheel.
Its a great game once you get the ffb wheel settings dialed in the stock settings where really bad but dude once dialed its amazing game that easily rivals assetto corsa and iRacing its so phenomenal
The problem with the progression is that, if I want to race against AI for hours, I can just do that on AMS2 were the AI is enjoyable to race against and won't murder you, the cool thing about Forza and Gran Turismo is the fact that you can pick your favorite cars and turn them into track monsters, then race them in a competitive setting, having to grind against AI for the parts you could buy with money or battle against Forza rammers in pvp until you can unlock the upgrades just sounds like a chore, people have many favorites when it comes to cars, being forced to grind for parts takes the fun out of the game, I can race against AI on AMS2 and have a blast while in Forza you will get blasted on turn one, it takes your freedom away for an arbitrary "progression system", take Gran Turismo 4 for example, you have freedom from the start and the progression feels rewarding.
Most of the critics of this game are either sim racers who play sim racing games which are barely games lets be honest or they're arcade racers who are mad at having to work a bit harder for rewards... there are some criticism of the game that I agree with though. The career mode is really good tbh BUT I think that you should be able to max out your car level in one tournament, or get close to it - the closest i've got is level 36 on an Alpine in 6 quite long races. I also wish the prize cars for the end of tours could be used in the Builder's Cup as none of them are viable (aside from the open class tournaments, which are really fun actually). And yes, some car models really do need updating (though the amount that need updating is a lot less than people think), and I think some car divisions need to be updated because some cars just do not belong (V8 Supercars and the Essenza in Forza GT doesn't make any sense, just have a 'V8 Supercars' division and add the Lambo to the 'Modern Factory Racecars' division). This is a live service game and a platform for tons of content reaching far into the future, and I think its obvious from what we've got at the moment. They said that the game took so long to make mainly because they had to redo the back end to allow updates and adjustments to be rolled out in quick succession, so here's hoping they can implement changes! Thanks for your balanced and honest feedback on the game, thought I was losing my mind when I was enjoying the game and so much BS was floating about.
Agreed - For me, I got this game as a chill simcade experience, when I want to relax and go fast without thinking too hard, and it fits that bill for me
I totally agree with you on the leveling system. I have all the cars in Forza Horizon 5 except some of the extra purchase DLC cars Ie lipstick Ford GT. Yet I only play with about twenty of them regularly and I have about 200 that I've never even driven. The leveling system forces you to get used too many different vehicles and really play them out. In Forza Horizon 5 I got 722 million dollars in credits and I can quickly upgrade any car but it taught me nothing about tuning
LOL I felt the same way with all the videos that came out on day 1. I never actually did a video review unfortunately. But i agree with this the game is good it does have some issues, do I think they can be fixed in future updates yes. And I said the same thing with the initial cars in the game is not a good representation for the wheel, but with upgrades and setups the game gets better! I use a logitech G923 and have a PC CPU: RYZEN 7 7700x GPU: Radeon RX 7900XTX VRAM: 32GB and the graphics look good to me at high/ultra 1440p. FH5 does look better as well as the crew Motorfest as far as graphics are concerned. Good review!
I look forward to this. Currently running an i7-6700k/1080Ti (FH5 runs great) and building new i7-12700k/3080Ti and i9-13900k/4090 systems. Fair winds and following seas to all.
I haven't had a chance to play it yet due to work, but I disagree with your assessment that all the reviews have been overly negative. A lot of people do have critiques of aspects of the game, but the overall feeling I get from most of them are that the game has a solid base and is good fun once you get your settings dialed in, but there are aspects of it that need work, i.e. the graphics, the campaign, the carxp, the penalty system.
Based opinion. Having a cheap wheel myself, I'd like to see a video from you explaining the reasoning behind your settings, as it would provide more useful info than just copying your sliders
My biggest problem with the upgrade system is even if I play all the practice time to level up my car,I still can’t do the engine swap at level 40 coz the race is still capped at a much lower level and most of the cars I don’t think I’ll ever drive again after career mode
I love the game, the sound design and the feel of the cars is amazing, really enjoying it, i bought the premium version despite owning game pass (for now as i mainly play ps5/pc) Turn 10 normally do good when it comes to future content with DLC and updates etc.
I just wish you could choose the race length of the career races. As someone who likes going from last to first on the hardest difficulty you just can’t do that in 5-7 laps.
Good Video. When you said It's fun that's all I wanted to know. Unfortunately like with almost everything these days the over hyped marketing machine sells us a dream and when the inevitable disappointment comes after we see the final product people will be overly critical. Rightly or wrongly.
Thank you for an honest review. This is my first entry into Forza with a wheel but not racing games with a wheel. Used to play Forza 1-3 back in the day, so I am just having fun racing the career, and multiplayer is a ton of fun as well.
My main issue, as an American player in Europe is that this game does not justify the price. CarPG I don't mind as much, but the fact that you have to redo each "quest" for the same car is straight rediculous. Some of the car modeling are recycled from past Forza. Jumping from this to GT7 was night and day experience in terms of overall graphics also. And the fact you mention numerous times "out the box" it needs tweeking in the settings says to me it's an unfinished game. The parts strategy you mentioned but fine for you, but for me I want to add parts that I WANT not a progression tree. With some cars I want to concentrate on suspension, some cars I want hp, but let me decide how to modify my car. Overall, you do make some good points though. Cheers🤙
Great review . You tweaked your settings all around you explained your operating system . I come from I racing and played all previous Forza this is a big step up for Forza it’s not perfect but it’s good . The online spec racing is my favorite . You don’t worry about upgrades , just tunes , like acc or I racing
Im playing it on game pass on a series S console and it plays brilliantly, no crashing or major bugs, so i don’t know what some of these reviewers are talking about?
good stuff thanks I'm on an older pc and gpu so having probs with getting my frame rate dialed but still enjoying the heck out of it. I think the new tire model makes me feel the road a bit more and the dynamic rubber on the track is pretty neat although it might be a bit much but not sure since I've never driving a race car before and experienced grip wear. Glad they got the Ae86 back. I play mostly online .
I started on Gran Turismo on the PS1 in the 90's. I've since been all over the realm and back. My sim rig is now worth over $10k and I spend most of my time in iRacing which is still the greatest online competitive experience (especially in VR). That said, my history with Forza keeps me coming back. I'm super impressed with this latest release. It is more simlike than ever before, the graphics are mindblowing (despite what some reviewers say), and the multiplayer racing has been way better than I expected. I would say that I'm less interested in using Forza as a Racing Sim, but more as a driving experience. I love grabbing my favourite classic cars (usually 80's and 90's Japanese models) and building them into fun to drive track cars. I can't do this in iRacing or ACC so this game sits nicely in that realm and allows for a great community of meet-ups and customization. Yea, it has some glitches and I'm not entirely sold on the CarPG component, but overall I highly recommend this new release for anyone who loves cars and race tracks!
Completely agree! I’m going to hop into my first online races this weekend and looking forward to it! Been enjoying the single player for a while but it’s time to race some real people 😂
@@DanDiMaggio DO IT! I had an amazing race in the qualifier last night in a Civic. I was blown away with my battle in the top 3 for the lead. We swapped positions at least 6 times and never hit each other once. (and I won, so, there's that lol)
Nice to see a reasonable view rather then the usual extreme bs (both for and against). Yes it's not perfect but at the core I'm finding it to be very good (I'm playing on series X). Really enjoying the driving. It should also improve as time goes by so overall I'm happy with it. Me main gripe is the lack of proper leaderboards, rivals are fine enough itself but i want to track all my cars times and be able to check my friends times and race against there times/ ghosts (like we used to do back in the day). Just tired my first online qualification race on Laguna seca short and it was a rather clean race and tons of fun.
I have been playing with a dd pro. Enjoyed it so far, but still trying to dial in my wheel settings. Are you using linear or peak scale on your wheel base?
My initial comment (as I might update this comment throughout the video), I see Forza Motorsport as a "Casual Sim Racing" game. A game more sim than Horizon, but still casual and something everyone can get into. Or see it as your gateway drug into more hardcore sim racing games like R-Factor 2, ACC, iRacing etc. So having said that, it's on the same level as Gran Turismo 7, which is it's main competitor and the standard it should be held to.
FM’s career mode might be ok if FM4 never existed. Which had over 500 cars, more tracks, and a much longer and deeper season mode with other fun challenges.
A lot of the negative reaction is Turn 10's own fault for setting the expectation too high to begin with. People are so tired of marketing BS and if they had been more honest, there wouldn't be such a backlash.
I would say they need a hot patch to clean up some of the reflective issues for rendering and some of the strange areas of a track that have frame drops or super messing with the texture like the straightaway at spa is pretty meh. Other then that i dont mind the new system, but i hate the way they made upgrades locked out. I would rather the CP be the barrier for upgrades only, no leveling. Also it should be for all cars of the same make at least. I dont want to level 50 every car. Maybe make it where if you get three cars of the same make to level 50 it unlocks upgrades for the rest of the maker
The Industry as a whole does not want to see the shift from single buy games to games as a service (like Gamepass). Many companies like IGN and Gamespot plus 100's of other outlets depend on gamers coming to them for input on game quality, it is the center of how they get thier clicks. If gaming moves into a total service model, people no longer need thier opinions cause they either have the service or dont, they have access to the game and can try for free, or they dont and have other games on other services they can play for free. Thus they will fight to ensure that AAA games do not exist on service only platforms, it breaks thier buisiness model.
I've been loving this one. I've played every single entry from the beginning on the OG Xbox. Things started to take a turn for the worse with 6, although that may be my most played Forza. 7 just never got going for me, something was missing. This game is great so far. Demanding, but it just feels so good, and is insanely pretty to play to boot.
Jimmy Broadbent said on a stream that this game sucks and my first thought was… well yeah, if you have thousands of dollars in sim equipment and a ride in a real race car I’m sure it’s not great. But for those of us who want to go racing with a gamepad it’s one of the best games ever.
The key to the graphics on pc in this game is to set the graphics lower than your system can handle and just increase them gradually until it is just right. Anything above what your system can reliably handle will make the game look like a ps2 game.
My problem is the traction control system. There should be the traction set for each car as real life. Some older cars have traction when the technology didn’t exist. And on modern cars they can’t operate without traction control.
I am absolutely agree with you. People are bitching about progression when its finally fixing whats wrong with the series. You want a million cars for driving three feet go play horizon. I want each car im my garage to be a project and an achievement. I really hope they don't chicken out. And you are right on the money about wanting a career where you start at the bottom and work your way up. That is exactly what I want to do in forza.
Absolutely agree. I have about five cars at level 25 or higher and I look at each on e in my garage and smile, thinking about the experience of building them up and getting to know them.
The game is not bad BUT the upgrade system is insane if you do it legit and we’re talking about a realistic amount of time maxing 1 car every 1-2 days with 500 cars to play with
This is a game to relax. As a hardcore simracer I plan to buy this to relax in between league races and such I think. It's not intended to be a Simulator.
I've never played a Forza game, Horizon nor Motorsport. So I had no preconceived notions heading into early release. I play a whole bunch of other racing titles, from arcade to full on sim. And I don't think it's that bad. The steering wheel experience isn't like that of ACC, but it's not intended to be a sim title. For what it is, I think it is a solid game. I am still trying to fine tune my steering wheel settings, so the experience may get better. But I don't think it is as bad as everyone else is saying it is.
Wow guys! I had no idea this video was going to get the views and responses it has. Thank you so much for taking the time and for all the kind words! To be honest I’m not sure if technically I’m really “back” but you guys are certainly making me consider it with all the love! I simply wanted to share my opinion on the game since I felt like it wasn’t getting a fair shake. Hopefully the devs will listen to the community, fix some of the issues & make it even better! Thanks again my friends!
How did you tone down the reverb/echo of the cars ? I cannot figure this out within the sound options and on track such as Suzuka/Nurburgring it is quite annoying even in cockpit view.
Hey man really appreciate your video and your opinions on this mess it's certainly appears genuine
I do shake my head everytime tou give this game praise but if you've put the time in your in a better position than I as I installed and deleted it in my mind within ten minutes of the first videos coming out due to the restrictive nature of this thing
It's in no way a simulator for that assetto is the only way on console
Devs won't listen to the gaming community they never do I can say this because if they would of stayed the course with fm7 with car updates then there rep would be intact
As it stands I refuse to be restricted in how I play a racing game the fact I cant jump in a car after hours of career progression and just drive what I want how I want with as much power as I want
It's restrictive I going to stick with fm7 and enjoy the freedom it provides still to this day
Forza motorsport (2023) is a shadow of forza motorsport 7
Why reinvent the wheel it already works so well haha
Have a good one dude
So you don’t recommended buying the game and don’t understand why the negativity? After 6 years of development and so many promises in pre release. It feels just like beta. And now we have to sit and hope the will fix it. That deserves all the backlash and refunds.
@@La4o21what’s your gamertag I’ll race you
@@jasonash6002 I've refunded the game. Maybe if they eventually fix it.
I've been playing racing games since 85. This is far an beyond anything I've played before. I find the physics are incredible. People need to also realize Turn 10 will constantly updating and adding features for years.
It's a arcade racer. If ur really into real racing ACC. But if ur a adult iracing is byfar the pinnacle. Always full lobbies of every type of racing u want
forza os brilliant. I've played iRacing for 3 years and acc and forza is best
@@markbird5461 iracing a
Has a new os for the past year thar is great. For actually racing acc or iracing.
Bruh just stop😂
Well atleast we somewhat know what racing game you’ve been playing for the past 30+ years
As someone who spent $100 on this game, I couldn't be happier. Can't wait to see what other features and fixes they bring in the future, but so far I've really been enjoying it
I'm with you. The handling is surprisingly good and they struck the sim v fun balance better than GT. It's a good base game and I'm anticipating new stuff that makes me smile.
So you’re saying, you like paying extra and supporting a deliberately unfinished game.
Cool!
I also paid $100, very pleased, it feels good on my wheel.
@@flyingplantwhale545am with you pal awfully finished more bugs than a dead man
@@flyingplantwhale545 I have zero bugs, and the game plays great on my heavily under-spec i7 6700K / 1080 ti @ 1080p Auto pegged at 60 FPS. More than 30 hours into the game at this point and having a lot of fun with the online racing - that’s such a huge improvement over the other Forza games that I simply do not care about some of the smaller issues that I don’t even encounter.
I like a lot of the points you made here. I really enjoy the feel of the physics and the updated multiplayer. However, currently my biggest issues with the game are random server disconnects and game crashes while in multiplayer races. Some nights it can get as bad as a complete game crash every other online race. I'm hopeful for future patches though. My current feelings about the game are, when it works, it works really well! I just want it to get to a point where that's the more consistent state.
Thanks a lot man! I still haven't jumped online just yet since I'm focused on the "career" mode for the moment but I've also heard that about the servers in the last few days. I believe they'll get that squared away in time since it's seems that's going to be a big part of the game and well liked by the community. Also I doubt you'll remember this but we chatted a few times a long time ago when you were first starting out. Back in the Forza 4 days lol. Way before I dove head first into the sim racing thing. It's pretty damn awesome how far you've come since then. Well done Sir!
The game needs some polish and more content (later).
I can confirm the crashes. Had two minor crashes in multiplayer today. The first time in the middle of a really good qualifying round and right the next game while training. But I'm sure they will fix it soon.
Penalty system also needs some work. After the first online race I was rated as a dirty player after a guy hit me straight. It was gone after next race but I was concerned.
But overall the system works. Had a race from the 5th place and in the second corner a guy hit me massively. After that crash I was dead last, thirty seconds behind the field. I end the race 7 seconds behind but the game rate me 7th place cause the other guys had a lot of penalties. 😂
Tomcat!
I'm wondering if online racers are the majority of buyers or not.
I 1000% agree with you Dan. I’ve been having a blast playing the game. Sure its not perfect and it has it’s small issues but it’s a product that’s supposed to be supported long term.
One guy commented on one of my videos saying he’s so disappointed and he’s not gonna get it because its called motorsport and there are no races in career mode for actual race cars.
I dunno where he got this information from because the featured races section has 3 races dedicated to race cars on rotation right now.
Not to mention the multiplayer hoppers are really good so far with the spec races. I think people always set themselves these wildly unreasonable expectations of certain games and then get upset when its 100% not what they would have made.
“Supposed to be supported long term”
Have you been living under a rock? How did that sh*t turn out for Halo Infinite?
Small issues???
The actual Career mode has zero races with race cars, he is correct.
You can't use the COVER CAR in Career, just let that sink in for a moment.
@@flyingplantwhale545 Halo Infinite has been supported long term. And as for Xbox's track record, a good place to look at to see how Xbox support their games long term is Microsoft Flight Simulator. That game/sim has had an absolute ton of updates and features added that the community requested. I expect Turn 10 to do the same thing here.
@@97Crazysteve Wrong. There are races with race cars and races you can use the cover car in, but not until you get to the Open Class races at the end of career mode.
Two really big GT7 streamers - Rory Alexander and Kireth - have been glowing about FM, and a huge GT7 streamer - and Forza legend, Super GT, has also been very supportive.
I am a PS5 owner witha PC.
Unfortunately my Logi G Pro wheel is not compatible with an X Box, but im keen to try it out on PC, but wary of costs involved with constant upgrades.
Ive not seen too many really negative YT reviews. Good on Forza. I hope it is succesful.
I’ve really been enjoying Rory’s streams videos featuring FM
My favorite part about it is that you can feel the ffb change everytime you edit your setup and buy new parts. I think the physics are great. Played acc comp, automobilista, acc, iracing, etc. I think its great
Yup, same here!
I’ve been playing it for-oh hi, by the way. I’ve never seen your channel before but other than Luke Riley, you are the only person I’ve seen who understands this game- anyway, I’m newish to racing games/sims. Played Project Cars 2, Assetto 1, GT, and Forza over the years and this game is getting a bad rap for no reason in my opinion. FM23 is miles better than FM7. No it’s physics aren’t exactly like life but the principles of the physics are there. I’m the type of person who when I’m going for a sim experience, I turn off all assists, aside from racing line during braking just because I have horrible vision and have trouble seeing the turns so I use that to show me where the turn is, but aside from that, zero assists in any sim/game that I’m trying to get a realistic experience from and FM23 does a good job. It’s fun, it’s very detailed. I spent hours just touring favorite car interiors. The physics can be tweaked to closer resemble reality and I think you’re right. After FM7, there’s no way that the people giving it such a bad score are sim racer fans. Gotta just be game pass customers who tried it for an hour or two.
That's the unfortunate state of YT and other social media. A 6 or 7 out of 10 doesn't bring engagement. A 10/10 or 0/10 is what you need to get the views. It's good to see someone that cares about viewers instead of views. Glad to see you back Dan.
So much truth here.
I'm excited how legendaries and Oldtimers are used in multiplayer. AC Physics doesn't get me anywhere cause no one drives rare cars online. Everyone just goes for GT3. Hope Forza is a nice change.
Yep.
Sh*tting on everything has became the gold standard in the youtube sphere to get more views sadly...
This is also a review, so are you saying you are wrong?
This is why I like your videos, you really think about it and you talk common sense every time. I'm really tired of other Sim racing channels always shooting-down Simcade or Arcade racing games unfairly. As if all Sim racing games are better when they are not. I remember you did a video a few years ago about the state of the Forza series. I basically wrote that Turn10 needed to design a career mode that keeps the player invested in it because all the Forza games at that point had all the cars available to drive in Time-Trial and Quick-Race. And to Turn10's credit they have fixed it and now people are crying because they think it's too Grindy. They are upset that they can't buy all the race cars in 1 hour all tuned-up for multiplayer and forget about the rest of the game. That's modern society, people expect everything on a silver plate without doing the hard work.
haha common sense saying Forza Motorsport 8 looks like ACC 1 and Iracing lmaoooooooo.
It's not just sim racers who blast it, fire comes from both sides. Casual simcade racers blast it for stock grind required to unlock any customizations. If it was just things like power upgrades, it would be one thing, but in Forza you can't do any tunning on stock parts. It doesn't help that default tunning on starter cars is pretty rubbish, so first move of experienced players is to take it to garage and fix that mess, which they can't, because tunning requires max level parts. Not the best first impression.
And you have to repeat stock grind for every new car you want to drive, which is positively demoralizing.
I completely disagree. IF the AI kills you and you have to restart several times just to get a clean start, stop pretending you'll play this atrocity long term. I won't condone genocidical AI.
GAME I s B R o K e N .
@@virtualawakening2299sounds like a skill issue 😂
If T10 didn't want people to criticize it like a sim than they wouldn't market it as a sim and "the most technically advanced racing game on the market". Stop getting your feelings hurt on T10's behalf. They are a bunch of goofs who actually don't know anything about real racing.
If you turn all graphics up, at least 125% resolution, and all ray tracing on, the game looks photo realistic, especially at night. If you don’t do that, agree, the graphics without ray tracing don’t look good. I have a 3090 and am able to do this and get around 60 fps.
What do you mean they're wrong? They literally backed up everything with clear footage of exactly what they were describing. And it's not just youtubers. Check the steam ratings. Are those people also making stuff up or they giving their own experience?
Ok watched the whole video. You confirmed all my worries I had from other reviews. Bad optimization, bad AI and in general not a game worth the price it has. Some people can ignore the issues and still have fun, like you do, but some can't so you can't say they're wrong.
The frustration I think I have with it is they spent 6 years making this game and it doesn't feel like it. I'm relegating myself to the fact that games don't get released in a finished state anymore. Unfortunately, they took 6 years to make this and they told us it was being rebuilt from the ground up, but it doesn't feel like it. And I think that's the sad part about it in a sad commentary on modern AAA gaming.
I think some people are disappointed because they got less tracks than expected, and quite a smaller car list than expected, and some complain about graphics (i personally like it better this way, it's looks more cleaner & realistic & not exaggerated) & one more problem is the CarPG system is really messed up, other than that i still think this is a solid Game, i've been enjoying it since i got it, and i am ok with the car list & track list (more than enough for me but ofc i want more) and i only have just one car of each, i don't get duplicates, so this doesn't annoy me, though i can understand why it's an issue for others (hope they fix it)
I never understood the drift Complaining, but i can relate, I think they should've kept that at least, but Drag imo is not necessary
I've loved this game for the first 20hrs of play I've put in - what I've found is the core game is great. The racing is really engaging, story is great fun to progress through, the AI is fun and fairly challenging, and going outside the career mode is also really engaging. There are quite a few issues which have been bugging me that others haven't really gone on about, like AI crashing constantly going in and out of pits in the practice laps, the reuse of FM7 active wing and spoiler etc, very few cars from 2019 onwards, but those are honestly niggles in the face of how much fun this game is. Can't wait for some updates, new career expansion, more multiplayer - its going to an awesome long play for me. But kicking me off a career race the moment my internet connection drops? Oooo that hurt.
The AI is not fun or challenging
@@dpguarnero the AI has some massive issues - slamming it's brakes on at a 100mph apex sucks, and sometimes it brakes on front of you on a straight if you're close behind like it panics. Definite space to be improved, but it's barely day one - the multiplayer seems like the place to be! Had a fun couple of races, with no-one murdering anyone else, hopefully it'll not get polluted with shameful rammers
I experienced that horendous AI driving thing where coming out of the pits they seem to be on a flier and truly couldnt give two shits if you were on the racing line. I'm sure thats something that can be patched, but for now I am treating cars coming out of the pits as if they are road warriors in Mad Max and I have a family at home waiting for me.
@@CarefulAtheistif your not at race speed you should really be off the line anyway so time to build good habits for online racing 😊
@@blobnumber2 I was literally referring to being on a timed lap / qualifying lap...and cars come out of pits like Mad Max
I'm having a really good time with the game so far. My biggest gripe is the AI in the builders cup. I'm not sure if it's a bug in the game, but anytime i get in the lead or pass any car for that matter, they seem to just give up and end up way behind me. I have the AI difficulty set to 6 so it's still a challenge to catch them, it just seems like they slow down after i pass them which sucks. I want them to push me.
I decided to try it on gamepass before spending money on it. I believe the game is going to grow really well overtime. After loving multiplayer I decided to buy the premium add on content
I think this might be a good alternative to iRacing for us living in Third World countries - the track selection seems pretty good. Haven't tried it yet but the upgrade system / caRPG seems to suck (like any half-assed "RPG" system in games that don't have anything to do with Roleplaying). I also would like the customization system to be better than Forza Horizon's. I hope this thing plays well with my G29.
While iRacing grabs your monthly, they don't lie and say Nordschliffe will be in the game. Wait until you vomit and have to pay $20 for the nords DLC. This CEO promoted this game like it was god's gift, and it's mediocre. You are only buying the CEO his yacht. How could this AI and game be in such bad shape after 6 years? Well, the CEO didn't hire enough programmers, and drank super expensive wine! Wake up!
@virtualawakening2299
Your comments are some of the dumbest I've read on youtube, and that's saying something.
Finally a decent honest review without all the bs... 🚗💨Thanks for all the useful info! 👊😉
I really don't agree with him on the career specially if you played Forza Motorsport 4 and old GT's... FM 4 had many stuff in the career and was getting really close to GT.
Forza Motorsport 8 is by far the worse career I have seen in a Forza Motorsport, it's basically generic like Project Cars and other games... Just a few generic races the same as you do in Free Play.
Basically the whole career you chose a car and have to do many same races with it just in different tracks and each one even has another pointless practice laps to take your time (which you can skip but you will have less points to upgrade car for the next race), you just keep finishing and moving to the next, there isn't anything different, there's also currently no drift, no drag or anything else, *THERE ISN'T EVEN RACING CARS RACES on the career mode at this moment in time* (so yeah forget about GT2, GT3, LMP.......... there isn't a single racing in the entire career).
And then the car progression is pointless cause I tested, basically you can simply finish a whole series of races without upgrading the car if you want it's all the same cause when you upgrade usually the others upgrade either on the same race or for the next one while if you keep the car stock they will also stay stock so it's not even required to do level up and is for you to chose but at least with slow cars the best thing is try to upgrade as much just to finish the booooring races faster LOL, that's the whole point of leveling up for me 🤣
ps: BUT THE NEW GAMEPLAY IS TOTALLY THE BEST EVER FOR A FORZA😎 Really hope they fix most issues fast and add a ton more content specially tracks, hell it doesn't even have Nurburgring full track, just the small ones and that's my favorite track by far, I want nordschleife since day 1 🤬
Love the review man! Only thing I would have to say is on the Xbox series X there is a big graphical difference. Not only on the car models, not all of them but most as well as the atmosphere which I think really brought Motorsport 8 to life. The sun rays and time change and even the track textures are so much better in my opinion. I think Turn 10 really optimized it for the Xbox rather than PC. I think there may be some more graphical patches later for pc because I will say that from whatI have seen it does look pretty bad on PC but really really good on the Series X.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on the car parts unlocking mechanism implemented here. I was never a Forza fan in the past. I played the odd Horizon over the years because it was fun, but if I wanted a true racing fix I deferred to Gran Turismo on a gamepad, and to AC, ACC, the first Project Cars and rFactor 2 for league racing on a wheel. I unlocked the game last night only, and barely played an hour of it in the Subaru with a gamepad. It doesnt take long to get the hang of driving with a pad, and the car does feel extremely understeery on acceleration with loads of lift-off oversteer into corners. It requires you to learn how to drive a car like that. Its what you would expect from an all-wheel drive car. The Mustang being rear-wheel drive and the Honda being front wheel drive will allow you to learn different driving physics...and these are the 3 cars they present to you as a beginner. This is perfect. All driving mechanics are under one umbrella. And the parts unlock? It is exactly what you would expect from real-world racing. You do well enough and earn enough money through experience, and you can buy the parts required to creep up to the rating limit for your car in that competition; being careful not to exceed it and disqualify yourself from said competition. The one thing I have learnt from games that give you access to everything all at once (in what is supposed to be the flagship game mode) is that people latch onto what their preferred weapon, and the playerbase dies a slow death as people get bored, stop playing and only the die-hards remain. With this model, each unlock feels like an accomplishment. A dopamine hit. Making you just a tad quicker than you were in the last race. And as you progress your car upgrades and your gained skill in driving that car will see you do better and better as time goes on. It's not the disappointment some reviewers made it out to be, and I could see it within an hour of play last night. I am personally looking forward to spending hundreds of hours on my PC with a gamepad driving the snot out of different cars and enjoying the multiplayer as even Gran Turismo on the Playstation became stale to me.
I just played it, 3 hours in. I'm absolutely in love with it. The physics feel like 8x more detailed. However, the lighting is fucky at times and looks really dull. But I'm having a blast so far. AI is not as bad as in the early videos. My guess is it has trained itself considerably since.
I'm infatuated with it. It reminds me of the jump from forza 1 to the (then) next generation xbox 360 and forza 2, and how big of a jump that was
Xbox 360 to One was shittiest generational jump imo, but this current gen is really amazing now that devs left the old shitty gen behind (fucking finally)
It truly is a huge generational jump
As a Forza Veteran whos played every Forza game to pretty much "completion" and a predominantly controller player, the driving feels better than ever. Despite some graphical bugs its the best Forza has ever looked. That being said the game feels extremely shallow, only a few career races, no GT or LMP tour in a "Motorsport" game is insane, outdated car models still being put in, lowest number of tracks i think we've ever had, the removal of drag and drift modes, hundreds of left behind vehicles that im not sure why couldn't be brought over from FM7, no auction house, and no "extra" content like bowling or infection, as silly as that may be. To sum up my view of the game as a Forza Veteran, Turn 10 has built a phenomenal foundation for the future of Forza Motorsport, but thats all it is, a foundation. I know tracks, cars, amd features will be added in, but inhave a gut feeling based off of other Microsoft titles that itll be several years before we have enough content to be up to par with previous entries at launch. If you like Forza Motorsport this is a must play, just be prepared to wait for things like the auction house, or nordschleife, or cars like tue C6R to added back to the game. I give it a 7.5/10 in its current state, but give it a year or two of content and it has potential to be the best Motorsport yet.
I actually really like the car leveling system. It makes you think about what you want to do. I’m sure if you’re a completionist it might take forever. For me it’s like what are the cars I need to have in my garage and what cars I will probably never touch.
I think when more casual players start playing the game the opinions will soften a bit.
I can't wait to play it and I will put a lot of time in it...I did for 7 and that game was bad.
The criticism on career and car progression also does not reflect with me. I like it. To be honest, i hated it in Forza7 to be showered by cars, more cars then i wanted to use. For me Forza was and is a racing game where i only use a couple of cars i like. But for many it is since a long time a "Car Pokekmon Meme Tune Game" - and those people hate Forza for exact this reason.
Hit the nail on the head with the majority of your comments. The grind does feel rewarding with the upgrade system being paced accordingly. That being said, I'd like to see how the carreer mode gets updated live. I don't want to wait 2 days to do my next championship in the Featured Tour. Like to see more Featured tour events going live simultaneously across different categories to give that variety, or more of the showdown classics that we saw of old eg Ferrari Vs Lamborghini, Subaru Vs Mitsubishi. I miss the challenges that were on Forza games of old to.
That being said, the physics is a pleasant improvement once you get your wheel settings tweaked. I view it as being halfway house between FM7 and AC; Frustratingly rewarding when you turn all assists off.
I'm really hoping they get creative with the Featured tour events. So many amazing possibilities with it and I agree, releasing several at once would be more favorable.
Thank you for naming the points about the career i experienced too. For some reason i had a very similar feeling when i played GT1 career on PS1 25 years ago. I guess there are quite some similarities especially in terms of grind and the rewarding feel after winning a series with the right approach of the upgrade you did before.
I absolutely agree with your breakdown here of FM. This is my first time coming across your channel, definitely appreciate how you voice your opinion. My intentions coming into the game were to mainly stay online, however after playing the first few races in career ive only done the online qualifiers 😅 i cant believe how hard i have to drive sometimes, i mean damn near perfect, to catch an a.i.. its incredible.
Thank you!
I agree, the AI leaders can be really fast. Also, like challenge the grid mechanic
Forza has a lot of potential.....couple if updates n it could be great.....forzas problem is that people are comparing it to gt7.....and its just not ready for that right now. Still can't wait to have a go.
6+ years in development and it isn't ready to be compared to a 1.5 year old game? What? Why are they getting a pass for shipping unfinished crap? Missing features like race length and wheel offset adjustment. Low fps for a racing game, stutters, crashes, useless rear view mirrors. They may have improved the handling feeling but anything was better than fm7. I really wanted this to be good because i used to like forza but they dropped the ball on this so far. Go look at the known issues page, it's like war and peace long
I’ve got 20+ hours in already and I’m loving it, I’m playing on Series X with a controller and it’s running great. I really enjoy the new career and progression and multiplayer is sooo much better than in previous titles. I actually enjoy the hoppers now!
@chrisnorrell7489 I just think if people see it as its own thing it should be good. It isn't, nor has it ever been on gran turismos level in terms of the driving physics and realism, on top of that gt7 has really upped the bar in terms of console sim racers. Arguably the best gt yet. But yh let's see how forza goes, I reckon 2 or 3 updates in and it could be something good.
From what I’ve seen the only people who genuinely enjoy this game are people who are regular gamers. People who don’t really look into game development and understand where the harsh criticism comes from.
As a raw game, just raw gameplay, it’s great. It’s beautiful, the cars sound amazing. The atmosphere in this game is also definitely more focused into racing as opposed to feeling like a game that just has cars in it.
But the mechanics and design of this game are awful. Beyond awful. In the past couple of years gamers are far more educated about game development. So we can clearly tell when devs just get lazy and cut corners.
I don’t have to go over every issue with this game because it’s so blatant, if you’re happy with every stock car being bugged, the AI having zero awareness, and the rigged difficulty settings, we’ll have fun guys😂.
This game was just lazy
AI brake checking on corners. No driver does this if they are trying to win the race. It's bumper cars and instant penalty for player.
I use the same wheel set up as yourself. I play mostly assetto corsa on xbox the original one not acc. I've got the game feeling extremely close to it ffb wise and am loving it. Its not identical obviously but it really isn't far off
The game is good. The career AI do need work, breaking randomly and just crashing all over the place.
The multilayer is fantastic.
To add to you point about AI consistency: My biggets problem with the AI is that if i drive well enough to get to the front, no matter how fast the AI was, as soon as i pass it, they just seem forget how to drive.
Most of the race I'm fighting for time, and then i get into pole with sometimes less than a lap left, and then finish the race 5-10 seconds ahead of 2nd? Needs a bit of work.
Awesome review. Subscribed.
I started playing today and I have the same wheel setup as you and I found the FFB to be spot on for me out of the box. I am enjoying the game so far.
Count me in as another huge fan of the game. I love the caRPG aspect of the game and honestly, it just doesn't take that long to level up a car but I usually only make small changes to a car and don't want to immediately throw an 800 HP engine in one and hit the track. I appreciate taking the time to get to know the nuances of the car driving it stock for an hour or so. Career mode has been great and I know they will add to it. If five hundred cars isn't enough for you, I don't know what to say. The free race aspect is fantastic as well and I love just hopping in something and creating a custom race. Also, Rivals is another way to level up your car and have some fun with it.
But then again, I cut my teeth on GT2 and GT3 where you basically started with one car and had to work your way up just to get access to the more competitive classes. I remember driving a Del Sol for a week before getting to my second, more powerful car.
That's great for a bit, but when you just want to buy a car, tune it, and drive - it gets old fast. The system was created to increase hours on Game Pass - you can AFK grind out the levels in a few hours, so long as you check in every fifteen minutes.
It depends, some cars have things on a insane high level and others at very low level however I'm totally fine with the upgrade system... But I'm very disappointed with career mode cause it's just random generic races the same as doing in FreePlay and very similar to most PC only pure sims boring generic careers... There's nothing different, no drift, no drag or anything at all and the worse is there's even no racing cars races on the current career so no GT3 or any kind at all which is pretty odd for a Forza Motorsport.
And the car RPG stuff is a bit pointless cause I tested entering a race after upgrading and the others upgraded and I checked the car with the highest value and exited the race and entered again and the highest value was exactly the same, so I went back to upgrades and put all at stock and did 2 starts and exits on the same race and the others were also kept stock so basically likely you can simply opt to not upgrade anything as it doesn't make much difference, it's not like real RPG where you would go a level up and makes things easier but rather you upgrade, they upgrade or upgrade on the next race and stay almost the same with some small differences depending at which point they upgrade after you...
Other thing that makes me pissed is it doesn't have the full Nurburgring track which should have been there since day 1, I really want nordschleife fast.
Now on the gameplay is really where this new Forza Motorsport improved big time, it's my favorite gameplay ever from all Forza Motorsport's.
ps: Forza Motorsport 4 was by far the highest point on all Forza in terms of career and the closest ever to Gran Turismo. Now even GT7 is not what it used to be but this forza still is like only 5% of the GT7 career which is already going bad for a while since after GT6 which was my last favorite career of all racing games and can't decide between GT4 and 6...
A couple remarks: the 4090Ti does not exist. It’s just the 4090.
« RTX » is a marketing term for Nvidia graphics cards. So you can either refer to it as RT or ray tracing.
Hi mate.
Ryzen 5 5600x, 2080ti, 32gb ddr4 ram, installed on an M2 Nvme drive, running at 1440p.
I have v-sync enabled, locked at 60fps.
Settings are mainly high, with a couple of things turned off (motion blur and lens flare).
Using Dlss on quality mode with RT car reflections on and it's running at a steady 60fps, maybe with the odd drop to mid fifties.
Using a Thrustmaster T300rs wheel and T3PA pro pedals and I've only done minimum tweaking and it feels fantastic, miles better than FM7.
I love to grind so the car upgrading suits me and will keep me interested for a long time.
All in all I'm really enjoying it so far.
Great video :)
P.S. Going on about older players, I was 64 May just gone.... :D
I just wish they'd fix up the graphics menu options. It isn't very clear what the options actually do (especially the dynamic stuff).
Just turn all of the dynamic stuff off that you can. But yeah it's totally more complicated then it should be!
I am currently at level 47 driver so I got some time in the game. I too am using a wheel and pedals (R12 and supporting cast on PC) Its a beautiful looking game far better than FM7, not sure why you think that and the Ray Tracing looks fine and no it doesn't tank a 4090. maxed settings I'm getting, about 110fps at 4k. I think the game could look a little better or get better frames. Nvidia already released one driver update but I didn't notice much.
As for the career, I love the grind. I love stretching out the mods and feeling each one improve the car. Trying to tweak the right things to get the edge need to progress. Fox body cup was a blast by the way.
I'm an older gamer myself and have played a myriad of racing games from burnout and need for speed to ACC and project cars 1/2. Personally, I'm iffy on the physics as an awd car shouldn't lock up and swap ends at 30-50% brake pressure on stock settings (a legacy issue of all forza titles imo) and feel wonky. As for the "CarPG" aspect, I don't like that either. I should be able to buy better tires, brakes and suspension components when I can afford them in my opinion. I definitely don't like having everything from the get-go like the later horizon titles but being able to get the car drivable with my limited resources is a priority. Solid video though and a pretty balanced perspective compared to other reviews though and I appreciate that. I want to know what others think.
Big sim racer here(AMS2, RF2,ACC,AC, Raceroom, Iracing)...I'm really excited to try this out. It appears to be a bit easier as far as the 'entry point' is concerned and the inclusion of a real single player path, and the SR/DR racing system online...I could see myself sinking myself into it. To see someone with a 'moderate' system playing is refreshing also. Seeing all these videos with insane specs doesn't really give me a realistic viewpoint.
I’ve played it and I play iracing too. Graphics wise and leisure forza is better. Not as competitive and uptight about SR and rating as iracing and way easier to get high SR and rating. I just started and I already have S safety rating and 4,612 out of 5000 rating
Would rather play iracing for actual competitive racing though. Forza more chill but still kind of competitive
@@Greenbean5673 the thing that gets me about Iracing is the cost, I’m way too cheap lol
@@scottwoodtraining yea iracing is expensive at first but I’ve had the same account forever now so I have a good bit of the content and don’t really ever have to buy much
my biggest issue and why i think the hate is somewhat justfied is the lack of difference to forza 7 even tho its been 6 years and they promised us a fully revamped game in every way, i see a few tweaks yes but in general the fans have been ignored, specifically the fans of immersive motorsport and race cars.
Dan! 👍for a new video. Good info. I'll get to test for myself on twitch tomorrow.
The career has good potential but is missing almost any kind of spice or variety. Almost every cup is some version of "Buy a class A/B/C street car with (insert restriction here)". Why don't we have a modern LMP series? Same goes for GT, pre-war cars, 60's F1, classic LeMans, modern hypercars, 90s supercars, "go karts" (Caterham, X-Bow, etc), single-brand series ("All Ferrari"), powertrain layouts ("Front-Engine V12s"), and so on. With so much potential it's hard to get excited about doing three straight events that are basically, "Euro Hatches" followed by "Euro Sedans" and finally "Euro Coupes"
I just found your channel,just subscribed. I agree with what you’ve said about the game. I run the same Fanatec as you and would like to see a video on your settings. I messed around a little Saturday night,but still would like to see other settings. Thanks for the video.
The main issue with car level is something you have not experience yet but if you want to try the Rivals mode and the "Meta" car in that Class is a specific car you never leveled up, well, it takes you 50-100 laps before you have level up your car enough to have the upgrade you need to be competitive in that mode. That's the only issue I have with this level up system. Also if you sell that car and you buy a new one, you go back to level 1.
the game needs some bug fixes and some overall refinement but the core gameplay is really good. the online racing is some of the best fun i've had all year and i'm hyped for the next few years of content
If this is the best answer to PlayStation, then your morale is defeated and desperate. This game totally sucks at this stage, and the CEO had the gall to release it to syphon your pockets! This is total shit compared to GranTurismo 7. This is at least 2 years from proper release. Thank you, you beta testers who aren't paid to develop the game, but are paying them.
@@virtualawakening2299 gt7 is great, i play that too. but i've been sucked into online racing in FM for the last week. i'm having fun so that's all that matters. i also have a high end pc so the optimization issues don't really affect me, just the occasional glitch. patch coming this week though
Ive been playing a ton as i think it is still really solid my big complaint is fps jumping all around 110-90 then boom 30 and you have to restart other wise looking forward to updates sounds and control are fantastic
Loved the honest review and would like you to post a video on the FFB settings so I can get my wheel dialed in. There are so many sliders and some of them are not clear on the effect they have.
I'm glad you could experience the game and enjoy it. I spent $100 for the game on Steam and the game won't launch. I'm hopeful for a day 1 patch today that will fix the launch issues.
T10 never said it was the most realistic physics engine. They said it was the most technologically advanced. Pure realism was never what they were going for.
I got the game on gamepass to try it out before I buy, needless to say I am THOROUGHLY enjoying it. The multiplayer is a massive improvement with the skill and safety rating system, and the steering wheel physics while not perfect are the most tuneable in Motorsport history. The car leveling system can be frustrating but being someone that played a lot of cod growing up I weirdly prefer this system. I like having to drive the cars in their stock form so I can truly appreciate all of the upgrades I put on it and feel the difference each part makes vs just slapping full upgrades on a car the second you buy it. Cheers and great video!
As someone that has spent +$100 for the game, I'm extremely disappointed. Everything is wrong with the game. 5 out of 10 is the best possible score anyone can realistic give this game regardless of console or PC play. Your are strickly biased if you say anything different. This isn't a SIM racer, and I wish people would stop saying this. Everyone is completely wrong. It wasn't built from the ground up like they said, this is actual fact. With all of that being said, the diving is good, and that's it. If cyberpunk hadn't already been released it would be getting the same exact backlash that cyberpunk did on release. FM7 is 10 fold better than this game, so your opinion means nothing, you are a completely wrong. This game isn't even remotely close to being in the same ball park as FM7, what are you smoking my guy. FM7 is like the absolute best Forza to date. 4 and 3 are even better than this one.
I said at the beginning of the video it falls in the middle for me between good and bad. That would be the equivalent to 5/10 so I suppose we agree even though your comment sounds like you're saying we don't lol. Definitely has some bugs for sure. I hope it will get polished as well and become a strong game for a long time to come! For the Forza 7 thing, you're about the only person I've ever heard have anything remotely good to say about it. I'm starting to feel like you're trying to pull my leg because Forza 7 was shit lol
We do agree about the 5/10, but FM7 is significantly better and I'm not pulling your leg. This game literally has only one good thing going for it, the diving. EVERYTHING else is absolute dogshit. How you didn't like 7 is just crazy. At times it looks good, but the car leveling and car points and overall lack of polish along side the worst AI I've ever ran against in ANY car game drops this below every FM except 1 and 2, because I didn't play those titles so I can't have an opinion on them. But FM7 was absolutely gorgeous, ran smoothly to boot, and the AI didn't suck. The track selection was infinitely better. I can't fathom this one ever being better than FM7 regardless of any future updates. I mean you said it yourself, you have to lower your expectations just to play it with a sound mind. Realistic expectations are generally speaking better in EVERY category compared to it's predecessor, but it only surpassed it, barely that is, in the driving mechanic, and that's it.
I’ve done trackdays in cars in real life, it is realistic. I’ve also swapped out suspension and brakes etc for track use. Not had any problems with using a controller.
I like working for the upgrades in career mode. But I don’t like that I can’t build a car specifically for a certain class for online play without leveling it up first. Also set class hopper lobbies need to come back. Maybe a class rotation Lobby? But I feel like I can’t take the cars I have built and just go race other peoples builds.
Gran Turismo has made people so much money that they are scared to death to say Forza is a fun and good game!
Yea I agree with pretty much everything you covered. I'm using the same wheel on Series X and once you get the settings dialed for the wheel it feels as good as any game I've ever played. I'm late 40's and been sim racing 20+ years. Other than the AI being bad and the wheel settings being rough out of the box I think the game is amazing and the best Forza we've had since Forza 4 and 100% the best Forza on a wheel.
Its a great game once you get the ffb wheel settings dialed in the stock settings where really bad but dude once dialed its amazing game that easily rivals assetto corsa and iRacing its so phenomenal
The problem with the progression is that, if I want to race against AI for hours, I can just do that on AMS2 were the AI is enjoyable to race against and won't murder you, the cool thing about Forza and Gran Turismo is the fact that you can pick your favorite cars and turn them into track monsters, then race them in a competitive setting, having to grind against AI for the parts you could buy with money or battle against Forza rammers in pvp until you can unlock the upgrades just sounds like a chore, people have many favorites when it comes to cars, being forced to grind for parts takes the fun out of the game, I can race against AI on AMS2 and have a blast while in Forza you will get blasted on turn one, it takes your freedom away for an arbitrary "progression system", take Gran Turismo 4 for example, you have freedom from the start and the progression feels rewarding.
Most of the critics of this game are either sim racers who play sim racing games which are barely games lets be honest or they're arcade racers who are mad at having to work a bit harder for rewards... there are some criticism of the game that I agree with though. The career mode is really good tbh BUT I think that you should be able to max out your car level in one tournament, or get close to it - the closest i've got is level 36 on an Alpine in 6 quite long races. I also wish the prize cars for the end of tours could be used in the Builder's Cup as none of them are viable (aside from the open class tournaments, which are really fun actually). And yes, some car models really do need updating (though the amount that need updating is a lot less than people think), and I think some car divisions need to be updated because some cars just do not belong (V8 Supercars and the Essenza in Forza GT doesn't make any sense, just have a 'V8 Supercars' division and add the Lambo to the 'Modern Factory Racecars' division).
This is a live service game and a platform for tons of content reaching far into the future, and I think its obvious from what we've got at the moment. They said that the game took so long to make mainly because they had to redo the back end to allow updates and adjustments to be rolled out in quick succession, so here's hoping they can implement changes! Thanks for your balanced and honest feedback on the game, thought I was losing my mind when I was enjoying the game and so much BS was floating about.
Agreed - For me, I got this game as a chill simcade experience, when I want to relax and go fast without thinking too hard, and it fits that bill for me
I totally agree with you on the leveling system. I have all the cars in Forza Horizon 5 except some of the extra purchase DLC cars Ie lipstick Ford GT. Yet I only play with about twenty of them regularly and I have about 200 that I've never even driven. The leveling system forces you to get used too many different vehicles and really play them out. In Forza Horizon 5 I got 722 million dollars in credits and I can quickly upgrade any car but it taught me nothing about tuning
LOL I felt the same way with all the videos that came out on day 1. I never actually did a video review unfortunately. But i agree with this the game is good it does have some issues, do I think they can be fixed in future updates yes. And I said the same thing with the initial cars in the game is not a good representation for the wheel, but with upgrades and setups the game gets better! I use a logitech G923 and have a PC CPU: RYZEN 7 7700x GPU: Radeon RX 7900XTX VRAM: 32GB and the graphics look good to me at high/ultra 1440p. FH5 does look better as well as the crew Motorfest as far as graphics are concerned. Good review!
I look forward to this. Currently running an i7-6700k/1080Ti (FH5 runs great) and building new i7-12700k/3080Ti and i9-13900k/4090 systems.
Fair winds and following seas to all.
I haven't had a chance to play it yet due to work, but I disagree with your assessment that all the reviews have been overly negative. A lot of people do have critiques of aspects of the game, but the overall feeling I get from most of them are that the game has a solid base and is good fun once you get your settings dialed in, but there are aspects of it that need work, i.e. the graphics, the campaign, the carxp, the penalty system.
Based opinion. Having a cheap wheel myself, I'd like to see a video from you explaining the reasoning behind your settings, as it would provide more useful info than just copying your sliders
My biggest problem with the upgrade system is even if I play all the practice time to level up my car,I still can’t do the engine swap at level 40 coz the race is still capped at a much lower level and most of the cars I don’t think I’ll ever drive again after career mode
Play free racing mode
Multiplayer is cap’d to 60 fps, so I just put the cap there and set everything to ultra and I’ve had no issues with RTX
I love the game, the sound design and the feel of the cars is amazing, really enjoying it, i bought the premium version despite owning game pass (for now as i mainly play ps5/pc) Turn 10 normally do good when it comes to future content with DLC and updates etc.
I just wish you could choose the race length of the career races. As someone who likes going from last to first on the hardest difficulty you just can’t do that in 5-7 laps.
Very good and honest review. I know it has some issues here and there, it's far from perfect, but dang this game is so fun.
Good Video. When you said It's fun that's all I wanted to know. Unfortunately like with almost everything these days the over hyped marketing machine sells us a dream and when the inevitable disappointment comes after we see the final product people will be overly critical. Rightly or wrongly.
Thank you for an honest review. This is my first entry into Forza with a wheel but not racing games with a wheel. Used to play Forza 1-3 back in the day, so I am just having fun racing the career, and multiplayer is a ton of fun as well.
My main issue, as an American player in Europe is that this game does not justify the price. CarPG I don't mind as much, but the fact that you have to redo each "quest" for the same car is straight rediculous. Some of the car modeling are recycled from past Forza. Jumping from this to GT7 was night and day experience in terms of overall graphics also. And the fact you mention numerous times "out the box" it needs tweeking in the settings says to me it's an unfinished game. The parts strategy you mentioned but fine for you, but for me I want to add parts that I WANT not a progression tree. With some cars I want to concentrate on suspension, some cars I want hp, but let me decide how to modify my car. Overall, you do make some good points though. Cheers🤙
As a gt7 fan, forzas multiplayer and car leveling make the game SOOOOOOO much fun
Great review . You tweaked your settings all around you explained your operating system . I come from I racing and played all previous Forza this is a big step up for Forza it’s not perfect but it’s good . The online spec racing is my favorite . You don’t worry about upgrades , just tunes , like acc or I racing
Im playing it on game pass on a series S console and it plays brilliantly, no crashing or major bugs, so i don’t know what some of these reviewers are talking about?
You’re right, it does look hazy as well which is really strange. I thought it would have more pop and colour.
Have you tried turning the brightness down to zero
good stuff thanks I'm on an older pc and gpu so having probs with getting my frame rate dialed but still enjoying the heck out of it. I think the new tire model makes me feel the road a bit more and the dynamic rubber on the track is pretty neat although it might be a bit much but not sure since I've never driving a race car before and experienced grip wear. Glad they got the Ae86 back. I play mostly online .
I started on Gran Turismo on the PS1 in the 90's. I've since been all over the realm and back. My sim rig is now worth over $10k and I spend most of my time in iRacing which is still the greatest online competitive experience (especially in VR). That said, my history with Forza keeps me coming back. I'm super impressed with this latest release. It is more simlike than ever before, the graphics are mindblowing (despite what some reviewers say), and the multiplayer racing has been way better than I expected. I would say that I'm less interested in using Forza as a Racing Sim, but more as a driving experience. I love grabbing my favourite classic cars (usually 80's and 90's Japanese models) and building them into fun to drive track cars. I can't do this in iRacing or ACC so this game sits nicely in that realm and allows for a great community of meet-ups and customization. Yea, it has some glitches and I'm not entirely sold on the CarPG component, but overall I highly recommend this new release for anyone who loves cars and race tracks!
Completely agree! I’m going to hop into my first online races this weekend and looking forward to it! Been enjoying the single player for a while but it’s time to race some real people 😂
@@DanDiMaggio DO IT! I had an amazing race in the qualifier last night in a Civic. I was blown away with my battle in the top 3 for the lead. We swapped positions at least 6 times and never hit each other once. (and I won, so, there's that lol)
Nice to see a reasonable view rather then the usual extreme bs (both for and against).
Yes it's not perfect but at the core I'm finding it to be very good (I'm playing on series X).
Really enjoying the driving.
It should also improve as time goes by so overall I'm happy with it.
Me main gripe is the lack of proper leaderboards, rivals are fine enough itself but i want to track all my cars times and be able to check my friends times and race against there times/ ghosts (like we used to do back in the day).
Just tired my first online qualification race on Laguna seca short and it was a rather clean race and tons of fun.
I have been playing with a dd pro. Enjoyed it so far, but still trying to dial in my wheel settings. Are you using linear or peak scale on your wheel base?
I tried it both ways. Peak feels a bit better to me so that's what I'm using.
My initial comment (as I might update this comment throughout the video), I see Forza Motorsport as a "Casual Sim Racing" game. A game more sim than Horizon, but still casual and something everyone can get into. Or see it as your gateway drug into more hardcore sim racing games like R-Factor 2, ACC, iRacing etc. So having said that, it's on the same level as Gran Turismo 7, which is it's main competitor and the standard it should be held to.
FM’s career mode might be ok if FM4 never existed. Which had over 500 cars, more tracks, and a much longer and deeper season mode with other fun challenges.
A lot of the negative reaction is Turn 10's own fault for setting the expectation too high to begin with. People are so tired of marketing BS and if they had been more honest, there wouldn't be such a backlash.
I would say they need a hot patch to clean up some of the reflective issues for rendering and some of the strange areas of a track that have frame drops or super messing with the texture like the straightaway at spa is pretty meh. Other then that i dont mind the new system, but i hate the way they made upgrades locked out. I would rather the CP be the barrier for upgrades only, no leveling. Also it should be for all cars of the same make at least. I dont want to level 50 every car. Maybe make it where if you get three cars of the same make to level 50 it unlocks upgrades for the rest of the maker
Nice video! It still seems a bit to video game-y for me to consider switching from iRacing, but good to see some people are having fun with it.
The Industry as a whole does not want to see the shift from single buy games to games as a service (like Gamepass). Many companies like IGN and Gamespot plus 100's of other outlets depend on gamers coming to them for input on game quality, it is the center of how they get thier clicks. If gaming moves into a total service model, people no longer need thier opinions cause they either have the service or dont, they have access to the game and can try for free, or they dont and have other games on other services they can play for free. Thus they will fight to ensure that AAA games do not exist on service only platforms, it breaks thier buisiness model.
Finally someone posted something on this it needed to be said
I've been loving this one. I've played every single entry from the beginning on the OG Xbox. Things started to take a turn for the worse with 6, although that may be my
most played Forza. 7 just never got going for me, something was missing. This game is great so far. Demanding, but it just feels so good, and is insanely pretty to play to boot.
Jimmy Broadbent said on a stream that this game sucks and my first thought was… well yeah, if you have thousands of dollars in sim equipment and a ride in a real race car I’m sure it’s not great. But for those of us who want to go racing with a gamepad it’s one of the best games ever.
The key to the graphics on pc in this game is to set the graphics lower than your system can handle and just increase them gradually until it is just right. Anything above what your system can reliably handle will make the game look like a ps2 game.
Yup. That’s what I had to do as well as turn off all the systems that actually adjust graphics as you play. Set it and forget it!
My problem is the traction control system.
There should be the traction set for each car as real life. Some older cars have traction when the technology didn’t exist.
And on modern cars they can’t operate without traction control.
I am absolutely agree with you. People are bitching about progression when its finally fixing whats wrong with the series. You want a million cars for driving three feet go play horizon. I want each car im my garage to be a project and an achievement. I really hope they don't chicken out. And you are right on the money about wanting a career where you start at the bottom and work your way up. That is exactly what I want to do in forza.
Absolutely agree. I have about five cars at level 25 or higher and I look at each on e in my garage and smile, thinking about the experience of building them up and getting to know them.
The game is not bad BUT the upgrade system is insane if you do it legit and we’re talking about a realistic amount of time maxing 1 car every 1-2 days with 500 cars to play with
This is a game to relax. As a hardcore simracer I plan to buy this to relax in between league races and such I think. It's not intended to be a Simulator.
I've never played a Forza game, Horizon nor Motorsport. So I had no preconceived notions heading into early release. I play a whole bunch of other racing titles, from arcade to full on sim. And I don't think it's that bad.
The steering wheel experience isn't like that of ACC, but it's not intended to be a sim title. For what it is, I think it is a solid game. I am still trying to fine tune my steering wheel settings, so the experience may get better. But I don't think it is as bad as everyone else is saying it is.
The only big misses for me are no vr and no true force. Other than that, I'm enjoying the game