Fun Jan Mayen fact! Brendan the Navigator, who thought he found the gates of hell, was actually 1700km North of the actual gates of hell, located in Glasgow Scottland...
So, Jan Mayen is not it's own state. It's a split state with Northern Norway. When you get annexed, re-merges the split states, and it stops tracking that split state and merges all of Northern Norway's buildings and doesn't actually track where each one is. Then, when you release it, *that's* when the game decides what buildings and population are, and it decides based on physical size. Since Jan Mayen is a tiny rock in the ocean, and the rest of Northern Norway is fairly big, it assigns no buildings and a tiny population. Even though literally yesterday, it was one of the most prosperous economies in the world. Oh, yeah, and the devastation you saw later, even though there was not even a physical connection. OH YEAH, AND THE REALLY AWFUL FACT THAT YOU CAN JUST MARCH ONTO AN ISOLATED ISLAND LIKE THE WATER WASN'T EVEN THERE. The split state system is REALLY dumb and pretty bad and needs to be overhauled.
split state system allows for better performance. It's a self-incurred problem of wanting to have a lot of small provinces you can walk over, thus having to optimize buildings and pop systems somehow (putting them all into states rather than tying them directly to provinces). But then Vic 2 also did this for optimization reasons
@@KissatenYoba It causes so so many more problems than in Vic2. It would be so easy just to have small background provinces (the game already does this for colonization and fronts) and assign each building and a percentage of the population to those provinces, but still do the calculations at state-level. The when a state is split it actually makes sense rather than teleporting an entire nation's worth of buildings and people across the sea. And, again, the game should be tracking what is and isn't connected by land. Oh, and the game should be smart enough to apply devastation in a reasonable manner to split states.
@@KissatenYoba And this begs the question then of : why would they need so many provinces if they are used for LITERALLY NOTHING, because even the military system it's just ...... a single battle and the armies take like 6 provinces or something so what's the point of having so many ? It's like "we need a huge number of provinces for the game, but this many provinces destroy the game's performance so we're going to shift every calculation to state instead, but with a really broken system. Now that we have made a ton of concessions that made the game worse off to have our ten quadrillion provinces, we're going to do nothing with them 🙂"
@@sephikong8323 presumably it has something to do with release CK3-era engine. IIRC they wanted to make CK3's map expandable with it's baronies? Maybe it's the opposite, they cut out Vic3's provinces when making CK3 (CK3 uses Vic3's portrait engine, so Vic3 was in development longer than CK3)
The island technically dosn't have any permanent residents just staff from the Norwegian Defence, Norwegian Metrological Organisation, and visiting geologists. None of which live there permanently, but are working there from a couple of weeks to a couple of months.
It's only 3,500 people per square mile or 1,340 people per square kilometer if the glaciers are also used, and 5,000 people per square mile or 1,920 people per square kilometer if the glaciers are off limits. This would make it incredibly dense, but it's not up to Kowloon Walled City levels of extreme so it's not surpassing anything the world has ever created yet.
@@efulmer8675 Considering this is during the industrialization, I'd say it would be even worse, because they don't have the luxury of highrise buildings xD
@@efulmer8675 you should take into consideration that it's the mid 1850's, no modern sewage system and dense apartments to house everyone. People are probably living inside caves or shoddy houses everywhere
@@pedrokiihl856 Yes of course, I was merely pointing out that it doesnt exceed any historical precedents for population density so the people can absolutely all *fit* on the island. The real questions lie in how do they get enough *supplies?*
I honestly wonder what the layout of any city on that island would look like. Looking at a real world map, practically half the island is a volcano, and the other half is mostly mountain looking with few places with flat enough area. The middle part is the flattest part, and even then it is mostly sandy beach and thin.
Paradox games - especially Stellaris can have me waste a whole day and then make me stare off into the distance thinking about what it all means. . . Then I start a newgame xD
20:30 You can overcome the Overpopulation modifier (-100% at maximum penalty) by having a Trade Center (+25%), using the Greener Grass Campaign decree (+50%), having Loyal Intelligentsia (+25% or +50%), and following the Path to Liberalism journal which will allow you to get a permanent +25% migration attraction modifier for your entire country.
Laith:"Why do I build Steel? I am ill and yet my vision is true I've never seen clearer in my life" By the way did you study philosophy too? Because that wasn't bad. But it was funny seeing you play on the island I used to watch on Spiffs Channel :) Part two would be fun
Today on Jan Mayen lives up to 35 people, while probably 200 men was max population that this Island ever have. The fact you start with 5,000 people is just bonkers.
Jan mayen is a split state. All your buildings are going to the other, bigger half of the state, which means some random coastal town in norway gets the buildings and population.
i did a Hawaian game where i stayed on the islands and built high. very fun save. joined the Austrian market early on and just stayed there. my literacy was at around 98% and my GDP went above 50 million. i enjoy your videoes - keep up the good work :D
Why it stole your buildings, is because jan mayen is a split state off northern norway. So when you got annexed, all the buildings and people moved to northern norway.
If I'm not wrong, domineering attitude when you're already their subject basically means that they want to declare war on you to further integrate you (puppeting or full annex)
For quite some time, he had the amount of radicals in his country constantly flickering between 5 and 6. I imagine this group of 6 meeting in a barn once every week, but Steve can't come half the time because he's very commited to make it in the amateur snooker league and has important copetitions some days.
It is day 110 since I asked you to do the challenge with Croatia in VIC 3 but in one of the videos, a good person named Andraip (Thanks for all the help) said it has a few flaws so it's time to correct them. So when you start playing as Croatia you have 15 years to get your independence, after that you cannot ally, get in a defensive pact, and you cannot be under any kind of protection and you must rival these powers as soon as possible: Austria, Russia, Serbia, Montenegro, Ottomans, and all nations from the Italian boot. You also must embargo all those nations and cannot enter their custom union nor can they enter yours. You cannot be in an alliance with any of the top 10 nations, including a defensive pact custom union, or protectorate, but you can trade with them. AI must be put on the default settings in case it isn't. If you ally let's say Portugal, and later on they get into the top 10, you must break the alliance. You also must stay monarchy all the time. Form the Danubian state with Croatia following these rules. (FYI incase I didn't make it more specific, you cannot join anybody's custom union you must always at all times have your own market).
3:55 - so, the two nicest places in the whole world that you can live in 1839 are respectively (1) the prison colony...for a prison colony...and (2) a 55km long frozen volcanic hellscape island above the Arctic Circle...? Actually, probably sounds about right for the early 19th century... XD
I dont play Vicky yet - so I dont have a base of knowledge in the mechanics yet. Is making furniture required for every nations economy to get started, or is it just Laith's preferred path?
Hi Laith! The higher th SoL the higher the wage! So that why labor saving MP are more profitable even when you don't have many pops. Little countries with high SoL have that problem, you have to make cheaper wages.
Day 7 of asking for a reverse colonial and Pacific Imperialist playthrough of the Philippines. Goals being to colonize, capture all of the South Pacific territory, colonize capture the Oceania territories, and capture Japan. Basically, all island nations in the south and east pacific belong to the Philippines on Victoria 3
Hey, Im watching you Laith for quite long time and ever since released of V3 I've been curious about this game, I watched Koifish as well and I love your content guys and all but I just dont understand what is goal of V3 and cant decide wether to buy the game or not so help with a bit of advice :D Cheers and all the best, amazing content as always :D
There is no "goal" in V3. There is only one "lose" condition and that's getting fully annexed. It's a good game at the moment that shows a lot of promise and a lot of player-dev interaction in the discord server so I expect a lot of amazing development in its lifetime.
Vicky 3 looks to be more geopolitically chaotic and nonsensical than any other recent Paradox game barring maybe HOI4 peace deals. It's somehow brought back the aimless blobbing and ugly chaotic nonsense of EU3.
What do you mean? All paradox games have border gore. I’m planning on making a mod to fix Vic3’s bordergore, but really it’s not unique. All of Paradox’s AIs suck the most (not at military) but at Peace Deals.
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Part 2 needs to see Jan Mayen enter into an unholy alliance with Oregon. All will fear the banners of the beaver and the bear.
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I need this pairing, I haven't seen an independent non-player Oregon until now and they need to survive
Fun Jan Mayen fact!
Brendan the Navigator, who found the island, thought he had found the gates of hell due to volcanic activity in the area.
Lol!
Fun Jan Mayen fact!
Brendan the Navigator, who thought he found the gates of hell, was actually 1700km North of the actual gates of hell, located in Glasgow Scottland...
Jan Mayem in EU4: ''I AM THE DESTROYER OF THIS WORLD, ALL SHALL FEAR ME''
Jan Mayen in Vicky3: Hello i'm smol
Is there a Jan Mayen in eu4?
@@mikipiupew4107 the command to summon Jan Mayen is
Thebearhaslanded
Nice rock bro
Thanks, you'res is cool too
Nice 69 likes bro
Thanks! Did you know this rock produces 17 million pounds every year
This guy is a spiffing brit copy same video 3 months before this one
Yes
So, Jan Mayen is not it's own state. It's a split state with Northern Norway. When you get annexed, re-merges the split states, and it stops tracking that split state and merges all of Northern Norway's buildings and doesn't actually track where each one is. Then, when you release it, *that's* when the game decides what buildings and population are, and it decides based on physical size. Since Jan Mayen is a tiny rock in the ocean, and the rest of Northern Norway is fairly big, it assigns no buildings and a tiny population. Even though literally yesterday, it was one of the most prosperous economies in the world.
Oh, yeah, and the devastation you saw later, even though there was not even a physical connection.
OH YEAH, AND THE REALLY AWFUL FACT THAT YOU CAN JUST MARCH ONTO AN ISOLATED ISLAND LIKE THE WATER WASN'T EVEN THERE.
The split state system is REALLY dumb and pretty bad and needs to be overhauled.
Yeah, the split state system is fairly poorly designed.
split state system allows for better performance. It's a self-incurred problem of wanting to have a lot of small provinces you can walk over, thus having to optimize buildings and pop systems somehow (putting them all into states rather than tying them directly to provinces). But then Vic 2 also did this for optimization reasons
@@KissatenYoba It causes so so many more problems than in Vic2. It would be so easy just to have small background provinces (the game already does this for colonization and fronts) and assign each building and a percentage of the population to those provinces, but still do the calculations at state-level. The when a state is split it actually makes sense rather than teleporting an entire nation's worth of buildings and people across the sea.
And, again, the game should be tracking what is and isn't connected by land. Oh, and the game should be smart enough to apply devastation in a reasonable manner to split states.
@@KissatenYoba And this begs the question then of : why would they need so many provinces if they are used for LITERALLY NOTHING, because even the military system it's just ...... a single battle and the armies take like 6 provinces or something so what's the point of having so many ?
It's like "we need a huge number of provinces for the game, but this many provinces destroy the game's performance so we're going to shift every calculation to state instead, but with a really broken system. Now that we have made a ton of concessions that made the game worse off to have our ten quadrillion provinces, we're going to do nothing with them 🙂"
@@sephikong8323 presumably it has something to do with release CK3-era engine. IIRC they wanted to make CK3's map expandable with it's baronies? Maybe it's the opposite, they cut out Vic3's provinces when making CK3 (CK3 uses Vic3's portrait engine, so Vic3 was in development longer than CK3)
2:50 Laith: Hey game can I have a good country?
Game: Only a spoonful.
Laith: *Pulls out a comically small spoon*
thank you so much for not pronouncing it like the spiffing brit did. thank you, laith. thank you.
-ʤan- mayen
Laith, playing as Jan Meyen: "I'm the main character in this campaign."
Meanwhile, in Oregon: "BEAVER FEVER!"
i think it's funny you start with 5k population when it has like 30 residents irl
The island technically dosn't have any permanent residents just staff from the Norwegian Defence, Norwegian Metrological Organisation, and visiting geologists. None of which live there permanently, but are working there from a couple of weeks to a couple of months.
@@benjamintomassennordahl7911 Im gonna be the first
@@Erikasoul1-q6n I mean you would have to be squatting on Norwegian department of defence territory...
I'd love to know how on earth half a million people even find room to sleep on this rock in the northern atlantic ocean. xD
It's only 3,500 people per square mile or 1,340 people per square kilometer if the glaciers are also used, and 5,000 people per square mile or 1,920 people per square kilometer if the glaciers are off limits. This would make it incredibly dense, but it's not up to Kowloon Walled City levels of extreme so it's not surpassing anything the world has ever created yet.
@@efulmer8675 Considering this is during the industrialization, I'd say it would be even worse, because they don't have the luxury of highrise buildings xD
@@efulmer8675 you should take into consideration that it's the mid 1850's, no modern sewage system and dense apartments to house everyone. People are probably living inside caves or shoddy houses everywhere
@@pedrokiihl856 Yes of course, I was merely pointing out that it doesnt exceed any historical precedents for population density so the people can absolutely all *fit* on the island. The real questions lie in how do they get enough *supplies?*
That Quebec joke was top tier
Would love to see this one continue where he makes Jan Mayen Scandinavia but not forming it
No that would PHYSICALLY HURT, he HAS to actually form it
Actually, the color is really nice so I change my mind
I really like these videos where you start at rock bottom
I’m astonished at how you play this game. I need a tutorial so I can build an economy
I honestly wonder what the layout of any city on that island would look like. Looking at a real world map, practically half the island is a volcano, and the other half is mostly mountain looking with few places with flat enough area. The middle part is the flattest part, and even then it is mostly sandy beach and thin.
17:10 I see that wonderful jump cut
"We can continue this campain in the future"
But I want it NOW!!! *Destroys an entire room*
Isn't this the one Spiffing Brit did?
Everybody: this is copying the spifing Brit 💀💀💀💀😳🚽
Malta rules the waves. You can do it!! Also yes more Jan Mayan.
when jan mayen has a larger population than wyoming
Okay, they NEED to fix that bug where all the buildings and people disappear
I'd definitely watch a part 2 of this video. If you want even more of a challenge, could you try and win a war with Russia and take Finland?
Technically the current King of England is Glucksburg thru his father, but instead goes by Hanover
This island got 15 people today, and you managed to cramp half a million there
Jan Mayen kinda looks like Norway, if they were facing the wrong way
Paradox games - especially Stellaris can have me waste a whole day and then make me stare off into the distance thinking about what it all means. . .
Then I start a newgame xD
Spif better be earning royalties on this 😂
20:30 You can overcome the Overpopulation modifier (-100% at maximum penalty) by having a Trade Center (+25%), using the Greener Grass Campaign decree (+50%), having Loyal Intelligentsia (+25% or +50%), and following the Path to Liberalism journal which will allow you to get a permanent +25% migration attraction modifier for your entire country.
Kinda funny how he aughed at the name of the king, when the king of norway has the exact same name.
Laith:"Why do I build Steel? I am ill and yet my vision is true I've never seen clearer in my life"
By the way did you study philosophy too? Because that wasn't bad. But it was funny seeing you play on the island I used to watch on Spiffs Channel :) Part two would be fun
Selk Nam was uncentralized which is crazy considering how high the standard of livong was
I would like to know how you can fit 500k people in a island that is smaler than some houses out there
It's 330 km sq. according to Wikipedia, that's not that bad. Around half of Singapore.
I have been waiting for this series
Today on Jan Mayen lives up to 35 people, while probably 200 men was max population that this Island ever have. The fact you start with 5,000 people is just bonkers.
Spiffing Brit would be proud of you.
Jan mayen is a split state. All your buildings are going to the other, bigger half of the state, which means some random coastal town in norway gets the buildings and population.
i did a Hawaian game where i stayed on the islands and built high. very fun save. joined the Austrian market early on and just stayed there. my literacy was at around 98% and my GDP went above 50 million. i enjoy your videoes - keep up the good work :D
Did you know that the of name of the king of Norway IRL is Harald and he is of the house of Glücksburg?
Why it stole your buildings, is because jan mayen is a split state off northern norway. So when you got annexed, all the buildings and people moved to northern norway.
If I'm not wrong, domineering attitude when you're already their subject basically means that they want to declare war on you to further integrate you (puppeting or full annex)
Definitely need to see a continuation of Jan Mayen! EMPIRE OF THE ROCK!!!
I would be up for a part 2
Jan Mayen is a really nice, calming green. I like it! Also, please keep playing this campaign. Long live Jan Mayens!
For quite some time, he had the amount of radicals in his country constantly flickering between 5 and 6. I imagine this group of 6 meeting in a barn once every week, but Steve can't come half the time because he's very commited to make it in the amateur snooker league and has important copetitions some days.
There like, isn't physically enough space for more than like 150 people to live on Jan Mayen
Jan Mayen is an island of 373 square kilometers. I think we can fit more than 150 people in 373 square kilometers.
17:09 ??? what he say???
"Revolutionary Québec"
*Smiles*
Create an economy out of a rock is what the neighboring Icelanders proud of.
What is weird is that as a subject you are still under a Monarchy.
We need a part 2 !
is Greenland a playable releaseable in Vicky 3, cause that sounds like torture
Jan Mayen looks like the ursa minor constellation.
First time I've heard of Northern Norway being taken for it's arable land.
I remember this
Nice to see someone else tackle Jan Mayern
There would be so many documentaries about this
Recreating the North Sea Empire as Jan Mayen let's goooo
As of today, 36 people live in Jan Mayen
At least Paradox was charitable enough to give 5k population from the get go considering that Jan Mayen has no permanent human populaiton
Hell yeah, brother! do it!
Fck, I thought i was clicking on the second part of Spiffing Brit's Jan Mayen series, :c
That was hilarious, please continue this.
It is day 110 since I asked you to do the challenge with Croatia in VIC 3 but in one of the videos, a good person named Andraip (Thanks for all the help) said it has a few flaws so it's time to correct them. So when you start playing as Croatia you have 15 years to get your independence, after that you cannot ally, get in a defensive pact, and you cannot be under any kind of protection and you must rival these powers as soon as possible: Austria, Russia, Serbia, Montenegro, Ottomans, and all nations from the Italian boot. You also must embargo all those nations and cannot enter their custom union nor can they enter yours. You cannot be in an alliance with any of the top 10 nations, including a defensive pact custom union, or protectorate, but you can trade with them. AI must be put on the default settings in case it isn't. If you ally let's say Portugal, and later on they get into the top 10, you must break the alliance. You also must stay monarchy all the time. Form the Danubian state with Croatia following these rules. (FYI incase I didn't make it more specific, you cannot join anybody's custom union you must always at all times have your own market).
Someone could help me understanding why that gdp was so high at like two minutes from the start
conquer all the northern islands (greenland, iceland, faroes..) and form scandinavia to unite all artic land
Playing tropico in the far north 😂 nice vid keep on bringing them
"glücksberg" is germany for luckmountain
3:55 - so, the two nicest places in the whole world that you can live in 1839 are respectively (1) the prison colony...for a prison colony...and (2) a 55km long frozen volcanic hellscape island above the Arctic Circle...? Actually, probably sounds about right for the early 19th century... XD
Feels like laith has been sick for awhile
Gibraltar rock next?
I dont play Vicky yet - so I dont have a base of knowledge in the mechanics yet. Is making furniture required for every nations economy to get started, or is it just Laith's preferred path?
Hi Laith! The higher th SoL the higher the wage! So that why labor saving MP are more profitable even when you don't have many pops. Little countries with high SoL have that problem, you have to make cheaper wages.
You have to continue this
Kinemod clone😭
Please form scandinavia but with all their cores
ITS A ISLAND GO PLAY LIBERIA
day 34 of asking laith to please play more eu4 Anbennar, thank you, praise surakel, may you have a wonderful day.
why in debug mode
I thought the title was referring to the UK
I got to 27 SoL as Russia, as USA to 30.
Jan Meyan world conquest when
Part 2 would be neato
Spiffing Brit and Kinemod Copy
Day 7 of asking for a reverse colonial and Pacific Imperialist playthrough of the Philippines. Goals being to colonize, capture all of the South Pacific territory, colonize capture the Oceania territories, and capture Japan. Basically, all island nations in the south and east pacific belong to the Philippines on Victoria 3
I need part 2.
Jan Mayen actually 2 islands).
Bro why are you uploading so late man, it’s 3am here in belgium💀
Is this a mod?
Hey, Im watching you Laith for quite long time and ever since released of V3 I've been curious about this game, I watched Koifish as well and I love your content guys and all but I just dont understand what is goal of V3 and cant decide wether to buy the game or not so help with a bit of advice :D
Cheers and all the best, amazing content as always :D
There is no "goal" in V3. There is only one "lose" condition and that's getting fully annexed. It's a good game at the moment that shows a lot of promise and a lot of player-dev interaction in the discord server so I expect a lot of amazing development in its lifetime.
@@efulmer8675 oh, okay. So pretty much limited to imagination and fear of being annexed. Got ya, thank you!
This looks a lot more fun than hoi4
Vicky 3 looks to be more geopolitically chaotic and nonsensical than any other recent Paradox game barring maybe HOI4 peace deals. It's somehow brought back the aimless blobbing and ugly chaotic nonsense of EU3.
What do you mean? All paradox games have border gore. I’m planning on making a mod to fix Vic3’s bordergore, but really it’s not unique. All of Paradox’s AIs suck the most (not at military) but at Peace Deals.
Also, Vic3 definitely does not have a problem with blobbing. Most people complain there’s not enough blobbing
you should do Mexico in vicky 3 next time they are perfectly set to have their economy go crazy i got 1 billion gdp as them in my last game
Did you know jan mayan has volcanoes?
jan mayen part 2 when?
We need Greater Jan Mayenland!
Didn't spiffy do this?
Continue this and conquer Greenland and Iceland please!
Unite the isles!
IT HAPPEND, I SUGGESTED THIS!
It kind looks more like a bone than spoon to me