they sound more or less the same only the EHX is one hell of alot cheaper not to mention its by the people who invented the damn pedal in the first place
Although for the many years that EHX weren’t making a green Russian Wren and cuff picked up the slack. Then when the tall font is selling fantastic EHX reintroduce the same pedal.
The EHX one is great for sure, but the Wren and Cuff is doing something different. For what it's worth it's trying to be an accurate recreation of some early tall font russian bm's. I recently watched an interview/demo Matt from Wren and Cuff did with 60 cycle hum and he likes the EHX version more for certain reasons, but despite them both being a reissue they are trying to achieve slightly different things. The wren and cuff one actually isn't as loud and doesn't have as much gain as the EHX reissue. To a lot of people that's just not gonna be a desirable choice, nor worth the money, but to some people who really want an accurate recreation, not just in official parts values, but in sound of the original, along with all it's "faults", the wren and cuff is a way of doing a version of the tall font before EHX came out with their reissues. They are both awesome pedals, and the EHX one is gonna be way more accessible to most people, as well as being really close to the original too, but the Wren and Cuff is a cool option for people who want what it's offering. Like other people have pointed out too, the W&C version is going to last forever, and if it doesn't they offer a lifetime warranty on ever pedal they sell. Also, I don't see why who originally made it matters, the EHX who made the tall front is quite a different company then what it was when it was manufacturing the sovtek pedals. I point all this out because I see people knocking on Wren and Cuff for the amazing recreations of many different and nuanced muff pedals that EHX simply isn't likely to ever do and there is nothing wrong with that. EHX obviously tries to recreate things as accurately as they can and at and affordable price, but it doesn't make sense for them to try and mass manufacture a couple different versions of, for instance, the ram's head big muff circuit that mostly only the really huge Muff nerds are going to want. Maybe they will, but it makes less sense for a company that's going to sell ten times as many copies of a pedal version compared to Wren and Cuff. They both are awesome companies who are doing rad things pedal wise, I especially love what Wren and Cuff have done with their different big muff offerings, but they are really quite different in what they are doing.
Mike Matthews is a gift to the world. Many thanks to EHX for giving us affordable, accurate, great sounding reissues of the Green Russian and Op-Amp Big Muffs.
Just to clarify a couple things... as much as I appreciate some of you saying the buffer issue makes the comparison inaccurate, you are NOT correct. Muffs in general (and the tall Font) are just fine with or without a buffer in front or after them. So that is a non-issue either way. The Tall Font has way LESS distortion and output than pretty much any muff style pedal out there. You can see the reasons for this on our site. So if you're after gobs of gain and output, the Tall Font is probably not for you. Thx
I noticed the Box of War seems similar to the Tall Font (but with a TON of output volume and seemingly more extreme lows and (potentially fizzy highs). Are they related? Can you do a Tall Font with more output volume (or can it at least get to unity)? Thanks!
For reference, the Tall Font Russian version of the Big Muff uses the same circuit design as the "Civil War" Big Muff that precedes the Green Russian circuit. When you think of a Green Russian Big Muff tone you're thinking of the BUBBLE font version and NOT the Tall font version. I wanted to make this clear that if W&C know this same difference then the two pedals are based off different versions of the Big Muff Pi circuit.
All these comments about pedal order don’t really understand that the Big Muff circuit is incredibly forgiving about pedal order. It’s not like a Fuzz Face, Octavio, or Tone Bender. Put it almost anywhere in the chain and it’ll take it like a champ. Also, the EHX is true bypass, making order even more irrelevant. Whichever one you like, order is not a factor is this shoot out.
There's one guy that keeps posting disinfo about this buffer issue. I think he either has a financial interest in this shootout, or he spent way too much money for a bird, and is attempting to assuage his bruised financial ego.
Wren and Cuff was choked on that buffer in the big muff though. the new EHX is absolutely fantastic for the money but of course the Wren and Cuff is going to sound choked and unable to breathe. its a rather sensitive pedal that cant handle a buffer infront of it
SuomiPerkele, old Klons are buffered bypass, KTR are optionally true bypass. OP said Russian green muff is buffered bypass but it is true bypass. A buffer is normally useful in your pedal board because long cable run would kill your high frequencies. But some fuzz pedals don’t like it or need special configurations, which is also not the case for muff-style circuits as far as I know.
According to Matt from Wren and Cuff the EHX absolutely has more volume and gain on tap then the W&C tall font pedal. The W&C is a more accurate recreation of the original in that sense, for what it's worth. Both are amazing pedals.
PLEASE!!!! please... next ime you demo fuzzes that hate buffers put through a line selector... you guys demo'd Lehle stuff this year why arent you guys using it... the Wren and Cuff was not done justice due to the buffer in the big muff...
I have the green Russian reissue from EHX and opening up that pedal to put in a battery made me laugh. Cool easter egg for stoner / doom fans. As a pedal it works great on both bass and guitar. Not hard to get a great sound with the 3 knobs and this thing takes booosts & drives very well. I use it so much, the value is almost comical.
Im a bassist that plays a 90s russian muff and my friend had the wren and cuff - the wren crushed the EHX with how much sonic space it provided. Sure, i got the russian muff for a steal and it sounds good, but if i had the chance to find a Wren and Cuff at the right price it'd be a no brainer.
I use the green Russian with my bass. I used to use the earthquaker devices cloven hoof... used to... the Russian beat the hell outta the hoof... the Russian muff was the perfect sound for me on bass
I had an EHX reissue for a little bit. It didn’t really work well for me in a live band setting and the foot switch stopped working after 6 months (not the first EHX pedal this has happened with me). I then bought a few black Russian Big Muffs which I preferred over the reissue. I finally got an original green Russian BM and it was everything I wanted it to be. However, I decided it should be more of a studio pedal than a gigging pedal due to its value and fragile components. So, I needed a replacement for shows, and I watched this video a lot. I asked myself, do I roll the dice on buying the EHX reissue again and get a pedal that might stop working in a few months? Or, do I spend more money on a reputable, small pedal maker? Ultimately, I chose the W&C and am very happy with it. The W&C sounds the closest to my original green Russian, more than the reissue and the black Muffs I have. On a side note; this video doesn’t do the W&C justice. These pedals sound almost the same if you are playing mostly single note, blues licks. However, the real differences become apparent when playing full chords with the strings’ harmonics interacting; the differences are even more apparent with a band. The W&C is just better in these scenarios.
Good Work even if i think that Fuzz & Muff Tests should have been done over single coils Strats for it's there where you can see the pros and cons of the pedals ....
I thought about that, but I have a vested interest in selling the guitars, so inevitably my opinion will be seen as biased! You'd need to come & work here to see just how few out of the 1000's of Gibson/Epi guitars we receive get returned with quality issues. You'd have to see just how few guitars actually come back with neck breaks. You'd have to get familiar with a range of guitars that goes from £89 for a basic Epiphone, through to £10,000 for a limited edition, signed artist model (with absolutely every price point in between covered). You'd have to decide for yourself whether or not an all American made range of guitars starting from £799 is good value or not (I don't see any other American brands starting from £799). Then you can begin to form your own opinion. You can read a million opinions online about Gibson that may shape your own opinion about them - in my experience you have try & filter the BS from the truth (next to impossible on the internet!). So I think I'll just keep going selling more Gibson & Epiphone guitars than any other brand we carry (including Fender), and let everyone else worry about all the stuff you can read online!
There are certain legal issues surrounding what Lee and the guys can say about Gibson...basically Lees hands are tied until Gibson dies and he has no contract with them...Gibson are shit but he cant say that in a video.
Traditionally the tall font is a sane fuzz that doesn’t go overboard. Clarity in open chords.The W&C sounds like it’s peaking a bit to be honest.I have yet to try EHX version but I love what I’m hearing. Can it reach those sparkling harmonic boxey overtones? Subtle scooped mids the W&C is known for?
Pierre Sauve, why have you posted this lie like 5 times in the comments? Do you have a financial interest in the perception of this comparison, or did you just splash for a boutique, and the OG just sounded better, for a third the price, or more? So like is it professional or personal issues that led you to post false information?
Can you guys do a comparison between the ZVEX Fuzz Factory (or whatever it's called, the one that Matt Bellamy from Muse uses) and the EHX Russian Big Muff?
Interesting. First impression is that the ehx has more bass and body than the W&C, but as the video progresses the tone stack of the W&C seems to have a better range/sweep than the EHX. Also, I can tell you in my experience that the W&C is surprisingly quiet on single coils and stacked with an OD as well. Very negligible hum. Great shootout btw. Cheers!
I just got one of those Russian Big Muff Pi pedals for Christmas. It sounds amazing on Bass also! I wanted it because of I could use it on my bass rig and my guitar rig. Admittedly, that wren pedal sounds amazing too. I'm cool with the EHX tho cause of the hybrid uses
Do i just WANT the EHX to win? The same settings on the two pedals don't exactly match up, so i don't know if you could dial in more fat on the Wren & Cuff... but it seems more shrill and less thick. Am i wrong? More warmth and low end and a more pleasing high end on the EHX? Not to put the other one down, it might suit some players, i'm just feeling it this way.
Look! The rules of engagement are clear and widely accepted. Green is the standardised colour of boost, muff and surfing guitar music. Please obey the rules or there may be implications.
I like them both for different reasons. EHX for the big beefy Muff tone and the Tall Font for the crisp fuzz that actually fits in a mix. In terms of money, I'd go EHX all day. I'm curious what the Russian sounds like next to the Op Amp reissue.
HEY GUITAR PEOPLE! i think it was very close but with the gain turned up the W&C had a chewyness [ i think i just made up a word? ] to the over drive/fuzz that i really liked.
So you gonna do the op amp big muff next? There isn't really great coverage on it which is weird considering the demand to have smashing pumpkins style fuzz.
Not a fan of Muff style Fuzz into a clean amp. I prefer the amp a little more compressed before I start dialing in big muff tone. I have a JHS Muffeletta, and had the big NYC Standard big muff in the past, and I always prefer to crank the amp to the point of breakup and turn the volume up past unity gain or more, then dial in the sustain to taste. Promise you the Russian Muff run like that is just as good as the Wren and Cliff pedal done the same way for a 1/3 Of The cost!
Ta Pete, I think that was cool. It's one of those isn't it, you think hmm..is the hardware up to it and the answer seems to be a resounding Da Tavarich! I like the colour i must admit - that army fatigues green looks like you mean business indeed! The sound was great too.
Thanks for the demo. They could be twins IMO. Gentleman could you someday make a pickup comparison video? Active vs passive, DiMarzio vs Seymour vs EMG vs etc.. would be great 😊
The first few demos I saw of the EHX Russian Muff sounded like 💩, but the more I see the more I think I will have one on my board soon. Well done Pete!
Excluding the price differences this is pretty much germanium VS silicon. One is warmer and fuzzier and one is more open and brittle. Both have great tones, all depends on your mood/gear or tonal requirement for a particular song.
Chris Graham exactly all the wren and cuff stuff was clones of discontinued big muffs and now ehx has caught on and re released two of them (green Russian and op amp) for decent money. I still like the versatility of tricked out muffs but I admit the Op amp sounds awesome in some videos.
Kind of an eye opener...or should I say an "ear opener".... I assumed the W&R would beat out the EHX. Throughout 80% of the settings, I liked the EHX better. and the other 20% it was a tie. Good grief. I mean they are the company that created the Muff, so why am I surprised, lol. Kind of amazing. Thanks for the demo Andertons Music Co.
Magic fuzz sound: Jazzmaster into transparentish od of your choice cranked into green Russian cranked into a very gently overdriven amp youre welcome I'm advance
In your opinion. I think your opinion is substantially in the minority. I have no vested interest, I'm a bottom feeder, I scrape whatever I can out of the used market. My tolerances are substantially looser than most consumers. Still, I, and quite a few others seem to think the EHX sounded better in this comparison.
I actually prefer the Tall Font Russian! Sounds a bit more focused (might be easier in band context) but still has this Russian Big Muffy vibe. Eventhough I'd rather buy the EHX one. Sounds amazing too, is a lot cheaper and it's from fcking EHX! :D
I am not hearing any dynamics from the guitar come through with the EHX version, and the gain knob doesn’t do that much. Wren and cuff all the way, any day !
The only difference seemed to be the volume control was on less on the wren and cuff. There really wasn’t a huge difference here apart from the price tag. EHX was my winner here
Damn when I saw that this video was about green muffs I was hoping for some Pink Floyd stuff (Momentary Lapse of Reason/Division Bell). Pete's playing though was as orgasmic as ever #gayforhonore
they sound more or less the same only the EHX is one hell of alot cheaper not to mention its by the people who invented the damn pedal in the first place
Although for the many years that EHX weren’t making a green Russian Wren and cuff picked up the slack. Then when the tall font is selling fantastic EHX reintroduce the same pedal.
well said
Eugene Delacroix also the Wren and Cuff will outlast the EH by about half a century
The EHX one is great for sure, but the Wren and Cuff is doing something different. For what it's worth it's trying to be an accurate recreation of some early tall font russian bm's. I recently watched an interview/demo Matt from Wren and Cuff did with 60 cycle hum and he likes the EHX version more for certain reasons, but despite them both being a reissue they are trying to achieve slightly different things. The wren and cuff one actually isn't as loud and doesn't have as much gain as the EHX reissue. To a lot of people that's just not gonna be a desirable choice, nor worth the money, but to some people who really want an accurate recreation, not just in official parts values, but in sound of the original, along with all it's "faults", the wren and cuff is a way of doing a version of the tall font before EHX came out with their reissues.
They are both awesome pedals, and the EHX one is gonna be way more accessible to most people, as well as being really close to the original too, but the Wren and Cuff is a cool option for people who want what it's offering. Like other people have pointed out too, the W&C version is going to last forever, and if it doesn't they offer a lifetime warranty on ever pedal they sell. Also, I don't see why who originally made it matters, the EHX who made the tall front is quite a different company then what it was when it was manufacturing the sovtek pedals.
I point all this out because I see people knocking on Wren and Cuff for the amazing recreations of many different and nuanced muff pedals that EHX simply isn't likely to ever do and there is nothing wrong with that. EHX obviously tries to recreate things as accurately as they can and at and affordable price, but it doesn't make sense for them to try and mass manufacture a couple different versions of, for instance, the ram's head big muff circuit that mostly only the really huge Muff nerds are going to want. Maybe they will, but it makes less sense for a company that's going to sell ten times as many copies of a pedal version compared to Wren and Cuff. They both are awesome companies who are doing rad things pedal wise, I especially love what Wren and Cuff have done with their different big muff offerings, but they are really quite different in what they are doing.
Lol right
Mike Matthews is a gift to the world. Many thanks to EHX for giving us affordable, accurate, great sounding reissues of the Green Russian and Op-Amp Big Muffs.
Just to clarify a couple things... as much as I appreciate some of you saying the buffer issue makes the comparison inaccurate, you are NOT correct. Muffs in general (and the tall Font) are just fine with or without a buffer in front or after them. So that is a non-issue either way.
The Tall Font has way LESS distortion and output than pretty much any muff style pedal out there. You can see the reasons for this on our site. So if you're after gobs of gain and output, the Tall Font is probably not for you.
Thx
Good beans, MH! Thanks for the pedals!
I noticed the Box of War seems similar to the Tall Font (but with a TON of output volume and seemingly more extreme lows and (potentially fizzy highs). Are they related? Can you do a Tall Font with more output volume (or can it at least get to unity)? Thanks!
For reference, the Tall Font Russian version of the Big Muff uses the same circuit design as the "Civil War" Big Muff that precedes the Green Russian circuit. When you think of a Green Russian Big Muff tone you're thinking of the BUBBLE font version and NOT the Tall font version. I wanted to make this clear that if W&C know this same difference then the two pedals are based off different versions of the Big Muff Pi circuit.
that is a quality birb you have there
Birb
Yes! Sort of apples and oranges, or at least gala and honey crisp!
No more BIRB. Only Doge now
sorry, that is 100% incorrect
I like the green one!! but the clear winner is Danish Pete!!! - Happy New Year!!!
All these comments about pedal order don’t really understand that the Big Muff circuit is incredibly forgiving about pedal order. It’s not like a Fuzz Face, Octavio, or Tone Bender. Put it almost anywhere in the chain and it’ll take it like a champ. Also, the EHX is true bypass, making order even more irrelevant. Whichever one you like, order is not a factor is this shoot out.
There's one guy that keeps posting disinfo about this buffer issue. I think he either has a financial interest in this shootout, or he spent way too much money for a bird, and is attempting to assuage his bruised financial ego.
Miku vs Metal Zone shoot out please
revistinha1 miku is played out IMO
Blasphemy! Miku needs it's own Andertons youtube channel
revistinha1 Stack them as well.
revistinha1 Yes! Possible title: “Does It MIKU?”
@@t6c756 might have to add a digitech whammy and a blues driver in the mix for that "creamy" blues tone
Wren and Cuff sounds like a typical distortion, Big Muff sounds more fuzzy and just plain awesome.
Funny bc the wren and cuff is original circuitry and the ehx is a rip-off of its old self.
It seems like the EHX has more volume on tap. I actually prefer the tone of it as well
Wren and Cuff was choked on that buffer in the big muff though. the new EHX is absolutely fantastic for the money but of course the Wren and Cuff is going to sound choked and unable to breathe. its a rather sensitive pedal that cant handle a buffer infront of it
Pierre Sauve that's what I was thinking. Not that fair of a comparison if their is a buffer In front of it
The EHX is true bypass according to them. Do you know something else?
SuomiPerkele, old Klons are buffered bypass, KTR are optionally true bypass. OP said Russian green muff is buffered bypass but it is true bypass.
A buffer is normally useful in your pedal board because long cable run would kill your high frequencies. But some fuzz pedals don’t like it or need special configurations, which is also not the case for muff-style circuits as far as I know.
According to Matt from Wren and Cuff the EHX absolutely has more volume and gain on tap then the W&C tall font pedal. The W&C is a more accurate recreation of the original in that sense, for what it's worth. Both are amazing pedals.
Did David just beat Goliath?? Controversial!!
PLEASE!!!! please... next ime you demo fuzzes that hate buffers put through a line selector... you guys demo'd Lehle stuff this year why arent you guys using it... the Wren and Cuff was not done justice due to the buffer in the big muff...
Goliath had a bad start but all in all if I wanted to be heard in a mix I would use the wren and cuff. The EHX just seemed to be a bit muddier.
Pierre Sauve the EHX is true bypass and big muff circuits are happy after buffers anyway. That’s not the case for all fuzz circuits though.
Pierre Sauve I thought the big muff was true bypass.
Same fuzz. Different pots. The tone stack I a little different but the waveform is pretty much identical.
The EHX sounds great!
BIG MUFF WINS!!!!! Pete sounds great as per usual!
Everyone loves a Big Muff ... I'm no exception and I'd like to thank Pete for showing us his special Muff skills.
Really, both together sounded like the clear winner to me.
I’m a simple man. I prefer Big Muff Pi.
Tasty ti play. Very good tone moves. I usually use it between 12 and 2 o’clock with a Cutlass...a strat.
I have the green Russian reissue from EHX and opening up that pedal to put in a battery made me laugh. Cool easter egg for stoner / doom fans. As a pedal it works great on both bass and guitar. Not hard to get a great sound with the 3 knobs and this thing takes booosts & drives very well. I use it so much, the value is almost comical.
Im a bassist that plays a 90s russian muff and my friend had the wren and cuff - the wren crushed the EHX with how much sonic space it provided. Sure, i got the russian muff for a steal and it sounds good, but if i had the chance to find a Wren and Cuff at the right price it'd be a no brainer.
I use the green Russian with my bass. I used to use the earthquaker devices cloven hoof... used to... the Russian beat the hell outta the hoof... the Russian muff was the perfect sound for me on bass
I had an EHX reissue for a little bit. It didn’t really work well for me in a live band setting and the foot switch stopped working after 6 months (not the first EHX pedal this has happened with me). I then bought a few black Russian Big Muffs which I preferred over the reissue. I finally got an original green Russian BM and it was everything I wanted it to be. However, I decided it should be more of a studio pedal than a gigging pedal due to its value and fragile components. So, I needed a replacement for shows, and I watched this video a lot. I asked myself, do I roll the dice on buying the EHX reissue again and get a pedal that might stop working in a few months? Or, do I spend more money on a reputable, small pedal maker? Ultimately, I chose the W&C and am very happy with it. The W&C sounds the closest to my original green Russian, more than the reissue and the black Muffs I have.
On a side note; this video doesn’t do the W&C justice. These pedals sound almost the same if you are playing mostly single note, blues licks. However, the real differences become apparent when playing full chords with the strings’ harmonics interacting; the differences are even more apparent with a band. The W&C is just better in these scenarios.
Muff on Muff action. ;) Ya both sound good,
EH Muffs are iconic pedals. Price is irrelevant. Dont waste time and money chasing your own tail! Grab a Big Muff right now...
And this is why EHX remains my favourite effects pedal company to this day. Fantastic.
Good Work even if i think that Fuzz & Muff Tests should have been done over single coils Strats for it's there where you can see the pros and cons of the pedals ....
LawHunterSound I agree 100%.
More than the pedals, I want that Charvel.
Andertons can you please make a video about those rumors of gibson going downhill and all those quality control issues? Happy year guys
If it's true, then they wouldn't say so, cuz they're selling Gibson guitars (I think they do) and they can't discourage people to steer away
Kappa Chino u are totally right 😕
I thought about that, but I have a vested interest in selling the guitars, so inevitably my opinion will be seen as biased! You'd need to come & work here to see just how few out of the 1000's of Gibson/Epi guitars we receive get returned with quality issues. You'd have to see just how few guitars actually come back with neck breaks. You'd have to get familiar with a range of guitars that goes from £89 for a basic Epiphone, through to £10,000 for a limited edition, signed artist model (with absolutely every price point in between covered). You'd have to decide for yourself whether or not an all American made range of guitars starting from £799 is good value or not (I don't see any other American brands starting from £799). Then you can begin to form your own opinion.
You can read a million opinions online about Gibson that may shape your own opinion about them - in my experience you have try & filter the BS from the truth (next to impossible on the internet!). So I think I'll just keep going selling more Gibson & Epiphone guitars than any other brand we carry (including Fender), and let everyone else worry about all the stuff you can read online!
True, you can buy and try them, and you can always return them if there's something wrong
There are certain legal issues surrounding what Lee and the guys can say about Gibson...basically Lees hands are tied until Gibson dies and he has no contract with them...Gibson are shit but he cant say that in a video.
Traditionally the tall font is a sane fuzz that doesn’t go overboard. Clarity in open chords.The W&C sounds like it’s peaking a bit to be honest.I have yet to try EHX version but I love what I’m hearing. Can it reach those sparkling harmonic boxey overtones? Subtle scooped mids the W&C is known for?
its peaking because its got this terrible cheap buffer in front of it if you didnt notice they were plugged in series?
Pierre Sauve, why have you posted this lie like 5 times in the comments? Do you have a financial interest in the perception of this comparison, or did you just splash for a boutique, and the OG just sounded better, for a third the price, or more? So like is it professional or personal issues that led you to post false information?
Can you guys do a comparison between the ZVEX Fuzz Factory (or whatever it's called, the one that Matt Bellamy from Muse uses) and the EHX Russian Big Muff?
When Pete first kicks on that EHX................WooooooooWeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!
Great color on that San Dimas. And of course, great playing by Pete.
Interesting. First impression is that the ehx has more bass and body than the W&C, but as the video progresses the tone stack of the W&C seems to have a better range/sweep than the EHX.
Also, I can tell you in my experience that the W&C is surprisingly quiet on single coils and stacked with an OD as well. Very negligible hum.
Great shootout btw. Cheers!
Yeah, the ehx has more volume, more bass and it's great for stoner riffs in drop.. Great pedal👍
I just got one of those Russian Big Muff Pi pedals for Christmas. It sounds amazing on Bass also! I wanted it because of I could use it on my bass rig and my guitar rig.
Admittedly, that wren pedal sounds amazing too. I'm cool with the EHX tho cause of the hybrid uses
Cornelius Gustafason yeah I just got one too and I play on both my bass and guitar, it’s brilliant on both
still waiting on jekyll and hyde v3 vs sweet tea v3 but this one was really cool
Do i just WANT the EHX to win? The same settings on the two pedals don't exactly match up, so i don't know if you could dial in more fat on the Wren & Cuff... but it seems more shrill and less thick. Am i wrong? More warmth and low end and a more pleasing high end on the EHX? Not to put the other one down, it might suit some players, i'm just feeling it this way.
Look! The rules of engagement are clear and widely accepted. Green is the standardised colour of boost, muff and surfing guitar music. Please obey the rules or there may be implications.
Wren & Cuff not showing up on t'Andertons site at the moment.
Not that it matters. The W&C is probably more expensive but almost the same sound. ;^)
Your links in the description are mixed up
Both pedals are awesome.
I'm here for the fuzz..
the Wren and Cuff is my preference but it's not really a fuzz pedal is it?
I like them both for different reasons. EHX for the big beefy Muff tone and the Tall Font for the crisp fuzz that actually fits in a mix. In terms of money, I'd go EHX all day. I'm curious what the Russian sounds like next to the Op Amp reissue.
HEY GUITAR PEOPLE! i think it was very close but with the gain turned up the W&C had a chewyness [ i think i just made up a word? ] to the over drive/fuzz that i really liked.
So you gonna do the op amp big muff next? There isn't really great coverage on it which is weird considering the demand to have smashing pumpkins style fuzz.
The Green Russian is brilliant! That good I bought one new and paid full price (I hardly ever buy new / full price pedals)...
Ehx sounds more mid-scooped and more square-wave-ish. Both sound great.
The links are the wrong way round in the description.
I prefer the Wren but they're damn close.
2 great pedals. W&C more clarity, EHX more mids.
Do the Guvnor 2 VS any distortion od pedal
Not a fan of Muff style Fuzz into a clean amp. I prefer the amp a little more compressed before I start dialing in big muff tone. I have a JHS Muffeletta, and had the big NYC Standard big muff in the past, and I always prefer to crank the amp to the point of breakup and turn the volume up past unity gain or more, then dial in the sustain to taste. Promise you the Russian Muff run like that is just as good as the Wren and Cliff pedal done the same way for a 1/3 Of The cost!
Couldn't be more of a no-brainer...
Tempted by that ehx 😯. Wonder how good that would be through my v40 🧐
Daaaaaamn Pete, I already own so much fuzz, what you doing to me with this toan envy.
2:01
SOLD!
links are broke/wrong.
Ta Pete, I think that was cool. It's one of those isn't it, you think hmm..is the hardware up to it and the answer seems to be a resounding Da Tavarich! I like the colour i must admit - that army fatigues green looks like you mean business indeed! The sound was great too.
Thanks for the demo. They could be twins IMO. Gentleman could you someday make a pickup comparison video? Active vs passive, DiMarzio vs Seymour vs EMG vs etc.. would be great 😊
EHX all day. Plus JHS does a modded version of this pedal that is killer. It’s only $125. I’m ordering mine. But mod or not the ehx is awesome.
The first few demos I saw of the EHX Russian Muff sounded like 💩, but the more I see the more I think I will have one on my board soon. Well done Pete!
Happy New Year Pete 👍
Excluding the price differences this is pretty much germanium VS silicon. One is warmer and fuzzier and one is more open and brittle. Both have great tones, all depends on your mood/gear or tonal requirement for a particular song.
So here we have an expensive pedal that's a copy of a cheap pedal still in production. Interesting business model.
Mike SG to be fair, the Russian big muff hasn't been in production for ages until this year
Chris Graham exactly all the wren and cuff stuff was clones of discontinued big muffs and now ehx has caught on and re released two of them (green Russian and op amp) for decent money. I still like the versatility of tricked out muffs but I admit the Op amp sounds awesome in some videos.
"My name is Pete! And I am Funky!" (Prince-style)
I already have a Bass Big Muff and a Deluxe Big Muff, no more Muffs for me, however good they sound.
Links for the muffs are swapped!! :)
Works pretty well for Dan in the Black Keys. The original one anyways
Gotta love fuzz :)
Ps Descriptions and links are the wrong way round :)
Danish Pete can´t be beat :)
Kind of an eye opener...or should I say an "ear opener".... I assumed the W&R would beat out the EHX. Throughout 80% of the settings, I liked the EHX better. and the other 20% it was a tie. Good grief. I mean they are the company that created the Muff, so why am I surprised, lol. Kind of amazing. Thanks for the demo Andertons Music Co.
The ehx sounds better alone but I think the wren will cut through a mix much better
Electro-Harmonix wins!!!
excellent job. :D
Magic fuzz sound:
Jazzmaster into transparentish od of your choice cranked into green Russian cranked into a very gently overdriven amp youre welcome I'm advance
Wren and Cuff wins it for build, components and sound. But the EHX Green Russian wins it for value and not bad sounding either!
In your opinion.
I think your opinion is substantially in the minority. I have no vested interest, I'm a bottom feeder, I scrape whatever I can out of the used market. My tolerances are substantially looser than most consumers. Still, I, and quite a few others seem to think the EHX sounded better in this comparison.
is the Wren and cuff quiet as shit?
I actually prefer the Tall Font Russian! Sounds a bit more focused (might be easier in band context) but still has this Russian Big Muffy vibe. Eventhough I'd rather buy the EHX one. Sounds amazing too, is a lot cheaper and it's from fcking EHX! :D
Sick video
Wren & Cuff for the win.
The EHX sounds better, has more output and costs way less. They've absolutely knocked it out of the park with this one.
Danish Pete in the fuzz!! Sweet!
Can't believe you didn't try these pedals out with a bass! The Tall Font Russian is the bass muff fuzz benchmark. You even had a bass in the room!
$200 for David, $100 for Goliath... Minor diffs between them, resale is the biggest diff. I go used if I go.
Who's David?
Should have compared it to the way huge Russian pickle as well
Ehx wins for me.
A full sweep of the tone knob with riffs would have been great to see......‘twas not to be.
Wren and cuff is the best
I think the big muff was a bit heavier.
Yo guys can you help me? I want a ml3 modern but i dont know if its worth it because its made in indonesia?
Yes the factory is very good and the guitars are an amazing value at the price point
Darth Stamnes thanks man
I thought all the Chapman's were made in Korea.
Paul Ecoli they used to and they changed the standards and they are made in indonesia the pros in korea
I am not hearing any dynamics from the guitar come through with the EHX version, and the gain knob doesn’t do that much. Wren and cuff all the way, any day !
I would say the Muff sounds more vintage
The quality of the links are as you guys would say..."affordable". haha
Ronnie MacRae shi-ffordable.
Love Andertons video's, Love Pete. They should'a used a Strat ffs.....
Im not a fan of fuzz....but id have the muff
The only difference seemed to be the volume control was on less on the wren and cuff. There really wasn’t a huge difference here apart from the price tag. EHX was my winner here
cuff tall its more fuzzy and the ehx its more beefy
Big Muffov all the way!
Damn when I saw that this video was about green muffs I was hoping for some Pink Floyd stuff (Momentary Lapse of Reason/Division Bell). Pete's playing though was as orgasmic as ever #gayforhonore
I thought this too!! I do not want to make any adverstisement for my channel but I made a video about the EHX one and played Pink Floyd only! :)
Big Muff for me
Ehx all day
wren and cuff all the way ....way clearer and defind
Links are bad … check them ;-)