The Jeff Gerstmann Show 135: Two Thousand Dollars
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- CES is upon us, which can mean only one thing: new announcements for a bunch of trash no one wants or needs! Oh, wait, there are also new graphics cards and handheld gaming machines getting announced, too. So three things! Honestly, that’s better than CES has sounded in years, let’s talk about it. Also: my Game of the Year for 2024, the Switch 2 leaks, your emails, and much more!
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_Time Stamps_ 🦄
0:34 *Starts*
1:00 Drinking Time 🥤
2:06 CES
16:15 Ad Rocket Money
19:15 Nvidia Cards
1:00:12 Ad Hims
1:01:54 Tiny PC's!
1:20:07 Ad iRESTORE
1:22:40 More CES from Sony
1:35:39 Nintendo switch 2 leaks
1:48:28 Break
1:49:09 Jeff's game of the Year
2:21:52 *Emails* ✋️😌👌
2:22:12 Vacuums
2:22:50 Grand - Switch 2
2:24:58 European - SteamDeck unavailable
2:32:17 Mason - Games disposable?
2:40:26 Andy - StarWars Outlaws
2:43:12 David - Steam adult games
2:46:25 Tom - Game relevancy
3:00:44 Truman - Mario Party
That Bam Margera impersonation made me look up to see if Bam Margera had entered Jeff's office to shred all of his paper.
Can someone link the timestamp?
@ 11:07
The Jeff Gerstmann Show is up to episode 135, one more episode than the entire series of the U.S. version of Shameless. Keep it up Mr. G-Mann.
when does jeff become gay jesus
Thank god they got someone like Jeff Gerstmann to host this pod this week
11:07 Shoutout to Jeff for his masterful impression of Bam Margera
In a year of great games, UFO 50 is a towering achievement
Another thing to keep in mind with the Top 3 Steam GPUs being the 3060, the 4060 Laptop, and the 4060, is that the 4060 is just ~5% faster than the 3060 in most games.
And in a lot of games they’re pretty much on par, with the 3060 even outperforming the 4060 in some games due to the 4060s lack of vram.
It shows that most people are perfectly fine with 1080p Medium/High settings.
These people don’t need a 5090.
Barely anyone needs a 5090.
There have always been trash products mixed in with the real stuff in tech, but since the 90s it seems like the amount of real stuff has dropped to basically zero
I totally agree but also wonder how much of that opinion comes from just getting older and not remembering the dumbest stuff. This prompted me to try and find 90's CES tech and most of it looks pretty useless too.
First thing I saw was the Konami's lightgun headset the LaserScope and the Powerglove. Samsung was pushing a Roomba in 1991 that instead of cleaning just had a microphone and heat sensors to be a virtual guard dog that will tell you if your house is on fire(it couldn't even pick up your socks.) Commodore CDTV. Kodak's Photo CD... a ton of computer and CD trash that doesn't realize how dumb it will be when the Internet starts existing.
I guess it was slightly better in the 90's if only for the fact that more real companies were also mixed in with the insane scams but most companies selling real products today can get the word out a million other ways. It really is the same as the E3 problem but I guess there's enough money in CES to keep it going for now.
Every product from the 2010s has been "yo we put wifi and a touchscreen in a device that doesn't need it enjoy the e-waste and 300% price jump you chumps"
Jeff, frame interpolation will always impact latency by at a minimum, one true-rendered frame.
This feature exists solely for GPU manufacturers to advertise extremely high frame rates.
1060 kings we run this town.
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I think the 3060 is the most popular graphics card according to Steam info dumps
Is Jeff the best? I think he is.
Is Jeff better than Low G Man: The Low Gravity Man...
...yes
Best at being cynical, maybe :)
If a mandate to pause all advances in gpu technology for 5 years was imposed it would be the best thing for the gaming industry since the popularization of game development kits.
Parts of your words on UFO 50 sound like your Hall of Fame videos. Would you say it’s a special enough game to reach those lofty heights? Seems like such a special and unique thing that transcends GOTY at least a bit, even if not a hall of famer yet.
CES now reminds of that scene from Gremlins with the dad.
Was thinking the same exact thing lol
It’s basically how tech trade shows always have been. That’s how they wrote that scene way back in the 80s.
I would seriously pay good money for a paper shredder that would play Jeff Gerstmann's voice imitating various celebrities.
It’s 2025 and this is the year Ivy the Kiwi? comes back in a big way.
I just watched some Ivy the Kiwi? gameplay and would like to retract my previous statement.
@@steve43ful I retract your retraction
i spent 10+ hours on Rail Heist, getting EVERY objective. i need more imsim-ish heist games in my life. UFO 50 is a monumental achievement. Mini and Max??? forget about it
I'm still real happy with my OG RTX 3080. If Steam Replay highlighted anything it's that you're not playing games that need a new card.
Jeff mentioned it before but it's worth highlighting again; only 43% of playtime on Steam was for games that released in the last 7 years. I don't need a 5090 to keep playing modded Morrowind.
I would love to read an exhaustive history of specifically Future Refrigerators That Will Tell You If Your Milk Is Expired. Were at least 20-25 years into this being a regular annual pitch with proven zero demand and it won’t stop happening
Anyway I could see a UFO50 sequel being 16 games and a collaboration with other devs explained in the fiction as UFO Soft’s ill-fated satellite studios. Maybe different constraints on a dead-in-the-water console with no third party support, like a virtual boy analogue or something
I love this idea. I can only imagine what they'd do with the CD-i or 3DO sensibilities. I want to see them make a compelling game out of a washing machine service manual.
Let me tell you how well Crow Country, Mouthwashing, and Home Safety Hotline runs on my 4090!
the entire reason why we're seeing frame gen and upscale tech getting all the focus is cause of the dimimishing returns in silicon advancements no? we're reaching like, the physical limits of electricity below 5nm processes. same reason power targets are increasing for these - it's the only way to make the number go up enough to make people maybe want a new card. maybe a bummer state of affairs and frame generation is certainly a bridge too far but it's not like these companies stand to gain from spending all that rnd on *not* making more cuda cores or whatever. yakno? idk who i'm addressing with this but i see a lot of people mocking dlss when like, native 4k is kind of an insane number of pixels to be pushing at all and jumping straight to that from 1080p maybe misaligned some people's expectations
god I love some Gerstmann grumbling. This is why we show up
The roomba that uses AI to determine what is a sock is
is basically a substory from Infinite Wealth.
Eufy announced a robo vac that turns into a stick vac. One of the most pointless CES things I’ve seen this year from a known name brand.
Grants email is unhinged. You know who will buy a switch 2? Probably the millions and millions of people/kids/families who don’t give a shit about Steam… or even know what Steam is. Oh and you know, Steam doesn’t have Pokemon and Mario… could be a factor who knows!?
nintendo's new and odd hardware stuff that they do with every new console or handheld isn't amazing every time, but it's always interesting and experimental. their first party developed and published games are overall muuch better than either microsoft or sony. also, they're substantially less expensive than xbox and playstation. as the owner of a powerful pc, nintendo make the only consoles i'm still interested in buying
Yeah people who think like that live in their own little bubble and don’t understand the entire market that is around them. Those 140 million Switch users aren’t thinking about PC like handhelds. They just want the machine that plays the Mario and the Pokemon games.
If the Switch 2 is better than the Switch then it will sell better than the Switch... Bold prediction, I know... 9-)
@@RhahdhdnI was going to say, this guy doesn't understand that not everyone treats their gaming hobby like we do. They get most of their gaming information through advertising. When you're an enthusiast that makes their own PC you have to accept that you're a fringe weirdo.
Steam deck and PC can play ANY Pokemon or Mario game thanks to emulation.... You know... like the Switch does for its subscription retro games? I agree the next Switch will sell well regardless, as people who want both will get them.
But at the same time, the bigger thing to be worrying about if that's your forte to white knight for billion dollar companies who don't care about you: the US economy is heading fast into a deep recession (not helped by these new tariffs), and global events across the world are spiraling much of the planet towards a bad economic time that will make the last few years look good.
Things are going to get tough in a way that will mean no matter what, the New Switch probably won't sell _aswell_ as the last one, simply on account of a certain chunk of the people who bought the first in 2018 and thru stimuluses, are going to be bullish with there money this time as they buckle down thru hard times.
That's not to say the thing won't sell like hotcakes and be sold out and even scalped at launch. But rather, I feel confident that the Switch successor will never achieve the lifetime sale record that this one broke after twenty years of being held by the PS2 (and PS1 before it).
A sizable portion of those millions and millions of families will be effected by the economic turmoil and a new $400 tablet will not be a priority, when they already have a Switch(s) and that money is clothes, bills, food, etc.
Walk around CES and count how many things can probably be made to run DOOM.
Alternate Episode Title: There's (No) POWER in the Dock!
Two thousand dollars feels pricey for an episode of The Jeff Gerstmann Show, but can anyone really put a price on these sorts of things?
59:21 5120x1440p is “Super-Ultrawide” resolution. Typically, if not exclusively, for 49” widescreen monitors
Alex Navarro said UFO 50 is a value 11 in reference to the old Gamespot scoring system.
AAA aspiring to the level of your average forgettable Netflix series by using motion capture tech and pastiche filmic score to emulate the contemporarily understood aesthetics of "quality storytelling" is especially dire when you consider that neither AAA nor Hollywood is soon likely to reach the depth, intelligence, maturity, and ambition of writing we've already experienced in the age of titles like Vagrant Story and Final Fantasy Tactics, a fleeting moment in which the strict text space limits of the 16-bit age were lifted and corporate stockholder fucks had not yet completely seized the creative apparatus
tech bros ruined tech
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I have to mention that your camera rig/thing/arm is wobbling a lot and it induces motion sickness. Otherwise - great stuff as always!
Timestamp person please
graphics and graphics technology feel like they're only getting further and further away from video games themselves and i don't know if that's just my perception or a common sentiment. i don't want fake frames, i don't want a grainy, ghosting upsampled image - hell, i barely want an upsampled image if it's perfect. i just want the game to run alright natively. i think it's pretty telling that this new ai-driven gpu tech has invented a new type of input latency with frame generation. input lag is the final death, it's the biggest killer of game feel by a mile. i feel like a 2010s era nvidia dev would kill someone with a butter knife if they heard they were inventing new types of input lag in the 2020s.
graphics peaked with vagrant story and legend of mana so all these tech corps should just shut it down and go home
RPGs are on an extremely high tide these past few years. Covering the gamut in various sub disciplines of RPGs. Elden Ring, Erdtree, Baldur's Gate 3, Metaphor, P3 Reload, Like a Dragon, Octopath Traveler 2, Dragon's Dogma 2, Sea of Stars, Rebirth, Diablo 4 etc...
UFO 50 getting the respect it deserves. Was my goty as well.
My biggest problem is the only reason we need all this AI stuff is because developers have just decided to let Nvidia and Epic take control of their programming. They fire all their in house programmers and just rely on Epic and Nvidia to do all the work, while they just make their game using Unreal Engine and all the preset tools given to them. It's essentially locking down the industry to those two companies and optimization has just gone out of the window. What I really thought would have happened is developers used Ray Tracing on these cards to help them make more realistic baked in lighting or less demanding ways of doing real time lighting. That way they can replicate Ray Traced lighting without actually needing it.... But it seems like the future is just them going "RTX Only" and all the optimization is thrown to DLSS.
The _"AI stuff"_ has little to do with game developers. Nvidia and AMD are invested HEAVILY in AI in Data Centers and businesses class products. When a well off enthusiast buys a RTX 5090 when those launch soon, for example - that Blackwell product is just a by product of what Nvidia produced for the Data Centers. So what we consumers get, almost never is a product designed exclusively for gaming... but rather the Prosumer markets scraps repurposed. Since all of this AI focused tech is already present, then it's going to be repurposed and sold as a focal feature set to casual consumers/gamers on the stripped down product. It is the publishers and developers of videogames who decide to utilize those feature in a way that seems like a crutch to many gamers.
That's all true, but at the end of the day - little of that is why we currently have frame-gen or upscaling specifically on our consumer GPUs.
Yes, those happen to be a fortunate happen-stance for the GPU makers, and sure do give some breathing room in a time where rendering advancement is starting to stagnant a bit.
But the reality is a bit more pedestrian, in that those feature are actually just a result of the by-products of the greater sector/markets fervent demand AI hardware integration for manufacturing, transport, data centers/cloud, research/academic, business and military applications.
_[This is a applicable repost I made to another commenter]_
All these [Ai features] have little to do with game developers (edit: or even the extremely real limitations of Moores Law). Nvidia and AMD are invested HEAVILY in AI in Data Centers and businesses class products. When a well off enthusiast buys a RTX 5090 when those launch soon, for example - that Blackwell product is just a by product of what Nvidia produced for the Data Centers.
So what we consumers get, almost never is a product designed exclusively for gaming... but rather the Prosumer markets scraps repurposed. Since all of this AI focused tech is already present, then it's going to be repurposed and sold as a focal feature set to casual consumers/gamers on the stripped down product.
It is the publishers and developers of videogames who decide to utilize those feature in a way that seems like a crutch to many gamers.
The actual problem is people demanding games run at 4k native with 120fps and thinking that's reasonable. They do this because that's what people demand and then those people cry that it's fake. You're not wrong about a lot of stuff here, but consumer expectations are absolutely insane because they all bought 4k tvs and were told that's the future
yesterday I found a weird german brand selling a 32" Android tablet...
Listening to this I finished up the Duviri Paradox and now they've got me out here spear fishing and like I don't know if I'd call any of this good but I appreciate that they're packing this game with things that make me go "huh its kinda cool they did that, I guess".
Also playing 70 hours of this game split over a 9 year period is either the least or most ideal way to play Warframe and I can't figure out which.
My games of the year are Astro Bot, and Prince of Persia the lost crown. I'm extremely excited to play Indiana Jones on PS5 later this year. I love immersive first person action-adventure games. We've been absolutely starved of these games this console generation.
White can monster is always good
I'm really pushing my 3050 to it's limits with Moose Life at 4K.
im glad people like grant are here to show us that even jeff gerstmann fans can be wildly out of touch 👍
Can we get a list of the games he mentioned in this video (positively)?
36:50 I don't want to think is why I play on ps5/ps5 pro. I have a good pc but I am tired of the choices after years of pc gaming. And yeah, top end gpu really solves that but sometimes stutters still happen and I am not at all about that. not for 2$k. You know? At some point I end up thinking I am being made a fool off by nvidia
The answer to having "the real frames" instead of generating and reconstructing them is optimisation, it's got nothing to do with Nvidia it's entirely in the developers hands, which in some cases are also being tied by Unreal Engine 5 guiding devs down paths of heavy rendering and less optimised techniques.
The idea of having to push photorealistic graphics to succeed has long been proven false, and on top of that the blurry, smudgy, stuttery, or even occasional outright ugly AAA games we've been seeing just add insult to injury, unfortunately Nvidia still needs to sell hardware so... let's keep smashing our faces against this wall forever until something happens.
I love the steam survey. I suppose most people buying 4090s arent gaming.
I wouldn't go that far. For all its flaws and sample size - the Steam Survey in its weird way, has been a fairly reliable way to compare TOTAL GPU sales. It does this by giving us a pseudo Pie Chart (conceptually) that breaks down the gaming audiences hardware.
It makes it clear that no matter how many RTX 4090s are sold... if you bought one, then your in a extreme minority of people who can easily afford one. Because Nvidia and AMD are selling vastly-vastly-vastly more lower spec cards to casual consumers globally (especially in markets where people don't make the kind of money affluent westerners do).
A nice chunk of the 4090 sales will be exclusively for private business or personal academic work... but most will double dip with gaming, because better products exist for those non gaming purposes.
And for every person using a RTX 4090 to render video, 3D model, mine or whatever... there are far more people using lower spec (but plenty capable) GPUs for that too, which wouldn't be in the Steam Survey.
The enthusiasts crowd tends to forget this though: because people with money like to make fun of the "poor bois" and pretend people who can't easily afford 4090s are a jealous minority of complainers...
Instead of the reality that 98% of people who buy a GPU aren't buying the Halo product, and then going online bragging about their 4090 incessantly on Reddit or every YT comments section to shame anyone mention GPU pricing.
YT tech in my experience is a especially poor sample population to build you opinion on product adoption too - given it is largely a ecochamber for the most extreme fringe side of any of demographic. Even of the most hardcore enthusiasts (the people with 6800xt and RTX3080, 4070 ti, 4080 Supers)..
Channels like Gamers Nexus, Bitwit, Paul's Hardware, Jayztwocents, Hardware Unboxed, etc... the majority of the comments are the very same economically blessed people across channels regularly commenting on uploads (many of them scientists, engineers and financial leaders... the top 5-10% of the western population).
And for what it's worth: in the grand scheme of things - we are _all_ (the casual consumers and home enthusiasts) in the minority. Both Nvidia and AMD produce, ship and sell WAY more Prosumer GPUs to data centers, than all their consumer products combined.
Why would I want a locked down closed system? Because it has Mario and Zelda and all the software on it has been made and tested for exactly that hardware and everything works all the time.
Hyrule Warriors Calamity barely works at all. I am surprised the Switch didn't explode.
Can't wait for "As Seen at CES" pre-roll ads and tiktok partnerships for cheapo tech knickknacks.
I like this guy.
He’s occasionally funny and says interesting words
Does Jeff do a top 10 games of the year podcast? Maybe on patreon?
Usually yes, but he said a few episodes he might not do the traditional format this year.
will there be a stream going over your highlighted games of the year? maybe 15-20 for each
I miss the 90s
THANK YOU Jeff... I dunno how people stand to look at DLSS.
575 watts for a gpu is nuts. They cheaper out in the shroud and it’s 2 slot now so it will sound like a jet engine lol. 2000 dollars is also crazy. No thanks
That’s as much power draw as 3 PlayStation 5s
The cooler is more efficient, it borrows a lot from the one prototype Gamers Nexus isn't supposed to have lol.
@@initial_kd i'm sure it's efficient enough to be passable and work, but unless it's alien technology it's not going to be impressive at all, esp. since it's 2 grand.
I built a high end pc to emulate ps3 in 2019, and once I realized it could run circles around PS4 that's when I turned into a full pc gamer. I've upgraded since then, but I'm not sure what 'll do in the future. Emulation requirements have mostly stagnated (If your pc can do PS3 well it will definitely do PS4) and I was ok with spending $2000-$2500 on a top of the line pc every few years to keep up with emulation and play modern games, but $3000-$4000 for specifically just new games I won't do on principle.
How many of those steam users, using lower end graphics cards, are only playing counter strike at minimum graphic settings for fps?
Cancel your preorder now if your game have one the following symptoms:
- Frame gen required even in the minimum settings.
- Developer blames the Series S on Xbox delay.
- Locked 30 fps on base PS5.
- Switch port delayed.
- Early access beta.
Lol okay get a new hobby then or stop engaging in it in this way
Doubling down on frame gen is embarrassing.
Sounds like a Radeon buyer
@hbk92701 no 4080 Super. But I've had both.
@@moasto02 then quit complaining
@hbk92701 its an observation. I didn't make them embarrass themselves again.
Moores law is dead bro. Gains gotta come from elsewhere
i woudlnt buy a 5090 but i do usually try to go high end just because of my experience with bad ports from the early steam era and those xbox360/ps3 ports. it seemed like almost a quarter of early ports on steam needed top end cards just to run ok even if they shouldnt need it. i generally trust modern microsoft at it but who knows what next sony project gets ported over and needs 4 times the resources it needed on console just to run smoothly. squaresoft in particular has not cemented themselves as trustworthy in that regard.
They should let you cut through anything with a lightsabre, but then you get sucked out into space so you cant,
Can't wait to see what S3 brings to counter Nvidia's 5000 series announcement.
The graphics card stuff is getting really ridiculous. I always just buy a new card at the start of a console generation because then you can run everything that's coming out at recommended or better. I can play RE4 on high settings, 4k resolution, etc. I've only got a 3070.
Get Shorty, helluva film.
Talking paper shredder, please.
To be specific, voice by JG.
Any time I've used frame generation, it tears the image the fuck up - and I have a gsync monitor! Can't turn on vsync with it, so boo...
Is it a tech issue or just capitalism creating more and more unnecessary commodities and new markets that don't need to exist in the first place.
I feel like we are enabled this aggressive state of capitalism as we consume commodities at fast rate.
So Internet makes fun of me for buying ps5 pro and playing games as 60+ fps… but 5090 for 2$k playing 28fps game with lag of 50fps game and visualisation of 240fps game is somehow so much better?! Of course it has to increase latency
Edit: also tech kinda sucks because we already have what we need. Oh and that roomba with arm? Ok I want one
Buy a 5070ti then the 5090 is just like the last two gens of top tier cards it's literally just there to ripoff idiots and rich people also yea you should get made fun of for buying a PS5 Pro if you're going to cry on the internet about getting made fun of for it
@@JesusHammer I have 3080 and it';s fast enough. only not enough vram.. so 5070ti or maaaybe 5080 will be OK for me
I think at this point I have accepted that I will never understand this normalisation of Nvidia's practice and their exuberant cost of their product. Yes, DLLA and DLSS are great innovative techniques, but it seems that people can play all games on high on cheaper gpus, if you have the patience to give it few years for mid gen gpus to render Tay-tracing at acceptable, non-taxing level.
I fund it really cultish the way people champion the new 5000 series despite the fact that, bar the £2000 5090, all have 16 VRAM. I mean can't people see the problem here. 16 VRAM is not ok in 2025 with the amount of texture rendering done in 4k for many games.
Shyeah! Right!
Had to go back to make sure Jeff wasn't saying "indika" instead of "Indie" for Indiana Jones. Was kind of half listening and the art game (maybe) being mentioned made me double take.
Indiana Jones and Outlaws are good games.. Get out of here. Your hot takes are getting worse. UFO 50, ok sure but 500 games games and more games cd rom and many others ones just like that should impress you too if that's where your heads at.. Despite a small handful of subjectively decent releases, '24 was a dog shit year for gaming.
It was a great year. Come on now
N64 games look better than todays games.
That's why it's important to get that annual optometrist visit in each year! 🙂
fuck me do n64 games look like trash, wow
I mean I do the whole "music sucks these days" types of takes but that one there is objectively wrong
GoldenEye still sounds pretty good but it looks.... 😬
Majoras Mask and such have some vibes that modern graphics cant really capture ill give you that
I sure love platforming at 20 fps! It's got some charm of course.
Unless the switch 2 has got some 'killer' games/apps to accompany its release or reasonable time afterward, I don't see it selling particularly well or more specifically, irregularly compared to the current switch outside of switch enthusiasts. The switch is fine, but it's never really inspired any excitement out of me. I would sooner get a steam deck at this point, but I guess that's just me.
The new mario better rock everybody’s socks off.
No disrespect, but you sound like you don’t fully understand AI. It’s not just chatbots or music picks algorithm. it’s transforming video game graphics, advancing healthcare and driving tech innovation. Soon, it’ll be as essential as the internet or electricity.🙂
@@Jorven-w1zlmao feed us more buzzword slop!
I feel you don't understand ''AI'' considering their transformative aspect of it is at surface level, with so many base level application revolves around many variable supplication around it for it to be useful in its practical field. The fact that you equated internet with electricity tells a lot....
@@ac8598
AI is still in its infancy, but it’s already doing things that were impossible a few years ago, and it’s only going to get bigger. The internet and electricity comparison makes perfect sense,they both changed the way we live, and AI is on track to do the same. Dismissing it just shows you don’t really get it.
@@Jorven-w1zyou sound like someone selling us a monorail
@@thepolarphantasm2319 LOL, do you also think AI is just chatbots and teaching computers to talk, like he keeps saying? That’s exactly why I said some people don’t understand what it really is. I bet people were just as skeptical about electricity when they were told to use light bulbs instead of lanterns and candles!