hey Aygir . love you and thank you so much for the lucha . I'm playing this game for over 5 years and never thought that i would win my first giveaway prize from you . I've upgraded it to level 36 from the platinum that pixo gave me in gold offer for free . love you so much but i don't have any beta weapon for it and can't run this lucha . but ive ming with 2 tonas that wipes titans in seconds . and sometimes i got wiped by lynx or even loki . even by mk1 bots . so currently wiping titans by sniping . and uphrading lucha in background until i get sone beta weapons
Absolute detailed unbiased testing, better than any test other channels did, REALLY appreciate the effort u put in dude 👍 Also I'm gonna use both of them cuz I have 2 Fenrirs in my hangar (poor man Nicolas be retiring soon)
we stands with you, Aygir. this issue similar like otto pilot (a lot of player think he boost the damage of hazardecayredemmertaran significantly but actually not)
my little survey about Bernadette vs Baronnet. most of player choose bernadet was better. but i agreed with you, baronnet just makes fenrir instant tanker even when it dropped
You always do us players an immeasurable service by doing these tests. We know how valuable they are and how much they help spend our resources on the best options. Huge shoutout to you and your dedication. 👍👏👏💯
In my opinion I agree with aygir. Lisel is just better. My thoughts 1. The more durability you get with hiroku,durability extender,immune amplifiers the stronger the extra defense points gets of the lisel pilot. 2.Every robot these days have nuke amplifiers which bypasses 25% defense when stacked and thus makes resistance 25% weaker which is pretty significant like fenrirs 50% resistance becomes 37.5% effective that’s another reason lisel is better 3.obviously we saw in the video its effective against titans but when you extend your durability with the extenders mentioned in reason 1, The fenrir can 1on1 any titan except repair amp charged titans. But even if they are repair amp charged they can dropped about 30 to 50 % by strong weapons like the new shatter, splinter, UE energy shotguns, rust and dot energy machine guns tamer trickster UE flame throwers etc. So you get my point with all the facts lisel is slightly to significantly stronger than bernadette
That is a good comparison. Very detailed. Hope you didn't lose any sleep making this. But yeah. I guess we Fenrir users could use some protection against those damn Newtons and electric shock therapy weapons. Now, how do we even get that pilot?
In summary, Liesel is the modern version of Nicolas, what old Nic can do, she does the same, only now Fenrir can negate defense reduction from Liesel *so yea if you know your ground, santa is still better and you dont have to waste your gold and stuffs to upgrade her*
I think it’s almost square one. Given you upgraded bernadette pilot already, investing further resources in liezel might not be worth it. You have enough bot for a 10 mins battle afterall.
hey Aygir . love you and thank you so much for the lucha . I'm playing this game for ober 5 years and never thought that i would win my first giveaway prize from you . I've uphraded it to level 36 from the platinum that pixo gave me in gold offer for free . love you so much but i don't have any beta weapon for it and can't run this lucha . but ive ming with 2 tonas that wipes titans in seconds . and sometimes i got wiped by lynx or even loki . even by mk1 bots . so currently wiping titans by sniping . and uphrading lucha in background until i get sone beta weapons
hi sir.AYGIR, RUST effect haven't defence point decreese effect. RUST effect is decreesing repair effect, Fragility effect is the 2nd effect of Jaw wepon, which have decreesing defence point effect.
So she is basically santa (yes fenrir’s second pilot) + berna deactivation of the aegis with a hint of modern tech (resistance to defense reduction tech). I cant help but ask why? It’s like you cant think of anything else to make fenrir more interesting than it already is? (Im asking a dumb question here, fenrir has been in the meta since 2019, let that sink in, anything more than this would be godsend, hell santa fenrir is still top 10 robot+pilot combo so yea)
For 1v1+ I would pick Bernadette Fenrir every day, any day. For closing in on Fulgur/Tonans Newtons, Fighting Maha-vajra/Vajra Indras and Minos, killing Lance/Glave Aether, tanking blinding Murometzes... Basically you get the point, I would pick new pilot. With an exception of fighting acoustic titan builds. These guys are pain
This is a really tough one but the new pilot simply has to be better in EVERY situation and circumstance or it’s not worth leveling. If in some games one would work better than the other then in the next game not then I’ll just keep my maxed B Wolfe.
U are awesome agyir thanks for the great content that answered a lot of my questions surprised u did not go for Bernadette since everyone is going for her
The reason why I would pick mostly Bernadette is because 60% additional health is a lot. And if you put something that charges MS fast, you can constantly buff yourself up with those chunks of health you get from durability extender
So little fun fact, DE doesn't consider spawn HP, only base HP. This means B.Fenrir and a regular Fenrir gain the same amount of HP from DE. This is also why SE titans/robots are so powerful
With memorium being so rare to obtain as a f2p i will continue using bernadette as i have already lvled it up a lot and dont want to waste my resources Ps:Although the liesel pilot did better than Bernadette in case of zeus weps but we cant forget the factor of additional damage against titans so a more realisitic meta test(assuming fenrir remains in meta) would be other t4 titan weps like vajras and sonic shotguns and mayeb even the new aimbot guns The reason i believe they will be more realisitic is although the unmitigatable defence helps i still am not sure if you can survive longer than just straight up more hp by a huge factor (my esitmate is around 15% longer )
My opinion using both pilot I prefer the Bernadette, I always last all game with that one setup than the Liesel pilot, start with more HP and always end with over 1million HP, the Bernadette 100% for me, my opinion though, great game play Aygir, as always.😊
Uhhh I think you got a bit mixed up here, (0:51) the fenrir with the liesel pilot has IMMUNITY to defense mitigation, and with the additional 50 defense points, the fenrir has a 25% increase in effective durability, not 20%.
That's the point What makes you think they will updates stuff which everyone has Tbh they will actually nerf them and introduce something new which completly declassifies them 😂😂 Jokes aside that's usually what they do so dont expect anything changed about content older than a month other than getting an ultimate
The thing about this pilot comparison, Bernadette is great against fighting enemies robots. But Liesel is great against titans because the titans weapon deal def mitigation. Liesel counters that.😊 We need more pilots like this for other robots because. I don't think robot abilities that deal extra dmg to titans is decent enough to survive. They already broke the fafnir, Seraph, and Ophion. Hawk even.
Both titans serve different purposes so realistically neither pilot is better than the other. But personally if i had to choose i would go with the Leisel pilot
Ocho......who the hell is Ocho? Fenrir is king once again. Lol. On a more serious note, Liesel makes much more sense in todays game where Titans can drop in very early in games. That extra resistance makes all the difference. It's active all of the time too unlike with Ocho. With Ocho the only time you would survive a Tonon/Fulgar attack from a Newton was when you get to activate your ability before you get lifted into the air. You can't always predict when a Newton is going to lift you though so a lot of times you would die because you don't have time to activate the ability. Fenrir has that resistance regardless. It really annoys me that players just don't have access to this stuff. It's messed up.
Nope, the resistance follows this formula: x = defense points Resistance: x/x+100 In this case, 150 defense points would look like this: (150)/(150)+100 150/250 0.6 = 60% Resistance
Claw, Jaw and Talon has 2 rust effect, one is reducing healing one is reducing defence point.😮But Tamer and Damper only show one of them which is reducing healing, so I'm nit sure about its ability to reduce defence. Hope AYGIR could see this
Since the Liesel pilot skill description says immune to Defense reduction. Could that mean the pilot makes the robot immune to fragility effect (weakened resistance debuff from claw, jaw, talon)?
En conclusión. Bernadette para enfrentarse a los robots comvencionales y liesel para los Titanes. Para el meta actual es mejor liesel por que las armas de titanes tematan de una sola descarga pero si no la tienes Bernadette sigue siendo una excelente piloto que no te costara un riñon conseguirla y ni que decir del fenrir definitivo
Don't forget the barnadet add 60% of the base hp and not the hp from modules and pilot so a max cryptic finrir get 160k extra hp from Bernadette The ultimate one get more
Same logic can also be applied to the extra resistance because it can block more because its percentage based the more durability you have the stronger the extra defense points get and regular robots bypass resistance by 25% with nuke amp thats why lisel becomes even more effective
New pilot so far looks decent againt non status weaponry, but againt status bernadette still have a upper hand Still making me angry tho, the jaeger as old sniper mech is just now not much viable with gauss
Bernadette es genial ya que te da bastante más vida, pero liesel aunque no te de más vida te da una mitigación de defensa que es de lo más útil, prefiero a liesel.
@@anteraps8233 the falcon has 200 defense points, so it should be 66-67%, which pretty much means compared to the normal fenrir that blocks half damage, the ultimate fenrir blocks two thirds of the damage(big difference).
I've got my life's first luchandor from this guy and it's also my first ever giveaway prize . before it i always thought that giveaways are fake .but not now with my luchandor in my hanger
En conclusión. Bernadette para enfrentarse a los robots comvencionales y liesel para los Titanes. Para el meta actual es mejor liesel por que las armas de titanes tematan de una sola descarga pero si no la tienes Bernadette sigue siendo una excelente piloto que no te costara un riñon conseguirla y ni que decir del fenrir definitivo
En conclusión. Bernadette para enfrentarse a los robots comvencionales y liesel para los Titanes. Para el meta actual es mejor liesel por que las armas de titanes tematan de una sola descarga pero si no la tienes Bernadette sigue siendo una excelente piloto que no te costara un riñon conseguirla y ni que decir del fenrir definitivo
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Bernadette or Liesel?
Bernadette, it’s just so hard to get the new one and get it to max rank
Liesel
hey Aygir . love you and thank you so much for the lucha . I'm playing this game for over 5 years and never thought that i would win my first giveaway prize from you . I've upgraded it to level 36 from the platinum that pixo gave me in gold offer for free . love you so much
but i don't have any beta weapon for it and can't run this lucha . but ive ming with 2 tonas that wipes titans in seconds . and sometimes i got wiped by lynx or even loki . even by mk1 bots . so currently wiping titans by sniping . and uphrading lucha in background until i get sone beta weapons
both are good but i still prefer bernadette. defence mitigation is everywhere now, but, again, i still prefer bernadette.
Liesel
If you really want to use Fenrir all game, 1 with Bernadette while bots are out and another with Liesel for titans would work I think.
I was thinking the same thing excellent point
But you can't have 2 ultimate fenrir😂
@@joshxue1520who said something about two ultimate fenrir
Absolute detailed unbiased testing, better than any test other channels did, REALLY appreciate the effort u put in dude 👍
Also I'm gonna use both of them cuz I have 2 Fenrirs in my hangar (poor man Nicolas be retiring soon)
we stands with you, Aygir. this issue similar like otto pilot (a lot of player think he boost the damage of hazardecayredemmertaran significantly but actually not)
my little survey about Bernadette vs Baronnet. most of player choose bernadet was better. but i agreed with you, baronnet just makes fenrir instant tanker even when it dropped
You always do us players an immeasurable service by doing these tests. We know how valuable they are and how much they help spend our resources on the best options. Huge shoutout to you and your dedication. 👍👏👏💯
considering how early titans can be dropped like 1 min into the game it makes sene to have the new pilot. it is just more effective
In my opinion I agree with aygir. Lisel is just better. My thoughts
1. The more durability you get with hiroku,durability extender,immune amplifiers the stronger the extra defense points gets of the lisel pilot.
2.Every robot these days have nuke amplifiers which bypasses 25% defense when stacked and thus makes resistance 25% weaker which is pretty significant like fenrirs 50% resistance becomes 37.5% effective that’s another reason lisel is better
3.obviously we saw in the video its effective against titans but when you extend your durability with the extenders mentioned in reason 1, The fenrir can 1on1 any titan except repair amp charged titans. But even if they are repair amp charged they can dropped about 30 to 50 % by strong weapons like the new shatter, splinter, UE energy shotguns, rust and dot energy machine guns tamer trickster UE flame throwers etc.
So you get my point with all the facts lisel is slightly to significantly stronger than bernadette
Well explained I agree
You underestimate how much the UE machine guns shred titans
That is a good comparison. Very detailed. Hope you didn't lose any sleep making this.
But yeah. I guess we Fenrir users could use some protection against those damn Newtons and electric shock therapy weapons.
Now, how do we even get that pilot?
Your videos are always helpfull!❤
In summary, Liesel is the modern version of Nicolas, what old Nic can do, she does the same, only now Fenrir can negate defense reduction from Liesel
*so yea if you know your ground, santa is still better and you dont have to waste your gold and stuffs to upgrade her*
Nah Santa give 25 defence point while liesel give 50
@@abdouaboud7490the Nicolás is update a 40 defense points
@@abdouaboud7490it's 40 now
I think it’s almost square one. Given you upgraded bernadette pilot already, investing further resources in liezel might not be worth it. You have enough bot for a 10 mins battle afterall.
5:15 the ochokochi think that he can take down the two fenris😂
With this UT Beast, Ochokochi is no longer be the complain in this game. Nice vid and super details compared.
hey Aygir . love you and thank you so much for the lucha . I'm playing this game for ober 5 years and never thought that i would win my first giveaway prize from you . I've uphraded it to level 36 from the platinum that pixo gave me in gold offer for free . love you so much
but i don't have any beta weapon for it and can't run this lucha . but ive ming with 2 tonas that wipes titans in seconds . and sometimes i got wiped by lynx or even loki . even by mk1 bots . so currently wiping titans by sniping . and uphrading lucha in background until i get sone beta weapons
hi sir.AYGIR, RUST effect haven't defence point decreese effect.
RUST effect is decreesing repair effect,
Fragility effect is the 2nd effect of Jaw wepon, which have decreesing defence point effect.
11:55
At that moment the Luchador realised, he was not the *titan*
😢
So she is basically santa (yes fenrir’s second pilot) + berna deactivation of the aegis with a hint of modern tech (resistance to defense reduction tech).
I cant help but ask why? It’s like you cant think of anything else to make fenrir more interesting than it already is? (Im asking a dumb question here, fenrir has been in the meta since 2019, let that sink in, anything more than this would be godsend, hell santa fenrir is still top 10 robot+pilot combo so yea)
Nicola give 25 while leisel give 50 but yea
@@abdouaboud7490 please i beg of you, grow some int
Keep it up bro❤❤
For 1v1+ I would pick Bernadette Fenrir every day, any day. For closing in on Fulgur/Tonans Newtons, Fighting Maha-vajra/Vajra Indras and Minos, killing Lance/Glave Aether, tanking blinding Murometzes... Basically you get the point, I would pick new pilot. With an exception of fighting acoustic titan builds. These guys are pain
This is a really tough one but the new pilot simply has to be better in EVERY situation and circumstance or it’s not worth leveling. If in some games one would work better than the other then in the next game not then I’ll just keep my maxed B Wolfe.
Nice video!
Its funny how description tell it immune to defense “reduction” but in reality it immune to defense “mitigation”
U are awesome agyir thanks for the great content that answered a lot of my questions surprised u did not go for Bernadette since everyone is going for her
The reason why I would pick mostly Bernadette is because 60% additional health is a lot. And if you put something that charges MS fast, you can constantly buff yourself up with those chunks of health you get from durability extender
So little fun fact, DE doesn't consider spawn HP, only base HP. This means B.Fenrir and a regular Fenrir gain the same amount of HP from DE.
This is also why SE titans/robots are so powerful
Nice
With memorium being so rare to obtain as a f2p i will continue using bernadette as i have already lvled it up a lot and dont want to waste my resources
Ps:Although the liesel pilot did better than Bernadette in case of zeus weps but we cant forget the factor of additional damage against titans so a more realisitic meta test(assuming fenrir remains in meta) would be other t4 titan weps like vajras and sonic shotguns and mayeb even the new aimbot guns
The reason i believe they will be more realisitic is although the unmitigatable defence helps i still am not sure if you can survive longer than just straight up more hp by a huge factor (my esitmate is around 15% longer )
My opinion using both pilot I prefer the Bernadette, I always last all game with that one setup than the Liesel pilot, start with more HP and always end with over 1million HP, the Bernadette 100% for me, my opinion though, great game play Aygir, as always.😊
Uhhh I think you got a bit mixed up here, (0:51) the fenrir with the liesel pilot has IMMUNITY to defense mitigation, and with the additional 50 defense points, the fenrir has a 25% increase in effective durability, not 20%.
Yep you are actually right. I've mistaken the dmg resistance increase with the effective HP increase.
So there is no immunity to Emp, Rust, Dot, Blind, and blast charge. Very intresting. I wonder when they will update immune amps and anti-control
That's the point
What makes you think they will updates stuff which everyone has
Tbh they will actually nerf them and introduce something new which completly declassifies them 😂😂
Jokes aside that's usually what they do so dont expect anything changed about content older than a month other than getting an ultimate
The thing about this pilot comparison, Bernadette is great against fighting enemies robots. But Liesel is great against titans because the titans weapon deal def mitigation. Liesel counters that.😊 We need more pilots like this for other robots because. I don't think robot abilities that deal extra dmg to titans is decent enough to survive. They already broke the fafnir, Seraph, and Ophion. Hawk even.
Wow, excelent info, now wish its better with ultimate fenryr, bernadette or liesel
Liesel
If your pay to win player get liesel
If your free to play with a mk1 finrir get bernadet
Ok man u don't have to be a p2w to get liesel
@@AYGIR how do you get Liesel?
GGz 🖖
Shows us special edition fenrir during testing but then uses ultimate fenrir in game play. Quite the spectacle
Both titans serve different purposes so realistically neither pilot is better than the other. But personally if i had to choose i would go with the Leisel pilot
Ocho......who the hell is Ocho?
Fenrir is king once again. Lol.
On a more serious note, Liesel makes much more sense in todays game where Titans can drop in very early in games.
That extra resistance makes all the difference. It's active all of the time too unlike with Ocho.
With Ocho the only time you would survive a Tonon/Fulgar attack from a Newton was when you get to activate your ability before you get lifted into the air. You can't always predict when a Newton is going to lift you though so a lot of times you would die because you don't have time to activate the ability.
Fenrir has that resistance regardless. It really annoys me that players just don't have access to this stuff. It's messed up.
Ultimate Fenrir with liesel is better than ochokochi that's for sure.
New pilot is worded terribly, purely on description it seems like it only gives a bit of extra defense that can’t be lowered by rust
"Hey Ferb, I know what we're gonna use against Newtons today"
Question. Tell me why energyblocks are not decreasing when you're using unstable conduit module?😅
Because I have more than one million pcells. There is a display bug in game.
100 defense point = 50% DMG resistance, then, why 150 defense point is no 75% DMG resistance?
Nope, the resistance follows this formula:
x = defense points
Resistance: x/x+100
In this case, 150 defense points would look like this:
(150)/(150)+100
150/250
0.6 = 60% Resistance
150 defense points is smth like 71%
Claw, Jaw and Talon has 2 rust effect, one is reducing healing one is reducing defence point.😮But Tamer and Damper only show one of them which is reducing healing, so I'm nit sure about its ability to reduce defence. Hope AYGIR could see this
Sharp eye. Very high possibility that you're right.
@@AYGIR Also the Roulette battleship, maybe you can test them😉thanks!
Without an Aegis shield, it's either more durability or a stronger defense system.
Since the Liesel pilot skill description says immune to Defense reduction. Could that mean the pilot makes the robot immune to fragility effect (weakened resistance debuff from claw, jaw, talon)?
I don't think but it's possible since the new rusts don't seem to weaken resistance.
@@AYGIR Well, the new weapons only applies the rust affect which nullify healing. But rust missiles also applies fragility.
so basically a luch with fill loaded Titan repair amplifiers from the get go and with these rust weapons they are more deadly then titan weapons
Bernadette is easy to get but where do you get Liesel from?
How do you even get the new Liesel pilot??
En conclusión. Bernadette para enfrentarse a los robots comvencionales y liesel para los Titanes. Para el meta actual es mejor liesel por que las armas de titanes tematan de una sola descarga pero si no la tienes Bernadette sigue siendo una excelente piloto que no te costara un riñon conseguirla y ni que decir del fenrir definitivo
The mother ship didn't allow us to see how effective the new Fenrir and pilot really are. No one could see you.
Don't forget the barnadet add 60% of the base hp and not the hp from modules and pilot so a max cryptic finrir get 160k extra hp from Bernadette
The ultimate one get more
Same logic can also be applied to the extra resistance because it can block more because its percentage based the more durability you have the stronger the extra defense points get and regular robots bypass resistance by 25% with nuke amp thats why lisel becomes even more effective
New pilot so far looks decent againt non status weaponry, but againt status bernadette still have a upper hand
Still making me angry tho, the jaeger as old sniper mech is just now not much viable with gauss
no entiendo a los que hablan ingles por lo cual no se que dicen lo que asombro es que ni un ochopuercas pudo contra ese robot
is anyone know how to get the new pilot , i mean, its almost the end of the season and i havn't heard a way to get it yet
Top em 💥 🇧🇷
Bernadette es genial ya que te da bastante más vida, pero liesel aunque no te de más vida te da una mitigación de defensa que es de lo más útil, prefiero a liesel.
i would like to see T falcon with ultimate glory
The ultimate finrir have 150 base defence point so with the pilot it make it 200 I wonder if there a big difference there
Luego de los 100 puntos de defensa no sube mucho la mitigación de dañó, con otros 100 puntos de defensa solo creo que tendrá 65% de reducción de daño.
@@anteraps8233 your right since 900 defence point is 90% resistance
@@anteraps8233 the falcon has 200 defense points, so it should be 66-67%, which pretty much means compared to the normal fenrir that blocks half damage, the ultimate fenrir blocks two thirds of the damage(big difference).
I think they're both good.
за бой фенрир в режиме танка прирос до 1 200 000 ХП. Если их помножить на очки защиты..,- его 10-ю титанами в упор гасить только если.. - жжжесть..
Make test with ultimate fenrir, not with the ordinary version fenrir.
Aygir haters? No such thing brother
❤👑🗿💪
There's no reason to use Bernadette now
Bernadate is by far better
On a mk1 finrir
@@abdouaboud7490 check pretador wr channel on yt and it was insane ( bernadette still best )
And plzz plzz give me one titan
I've got my life's first luchandor from this guy and it's also my first ever giveaway prize . before it i always thought that giveaways are fake .but not now with my luchandor in my hanger
Creators can't give equipment, only Pixonic can do that
En conclusión. Bernadette para enfrentarse a los robots comvencionales y liesel para los Titanes. Para el meta actual es mejor liesel por que las armas de titanes tematan de una sola descarga pero si no la tienes Bernadette sigue siendo una excelente piloto que no te costara un riñon conseguirla y ni que decir del fenrir definitivo
En conclusión. Bernadette para enfrentarse a los robots comvencionales y liesel para los Titanes. Para el meta actual es mejor liesel por que las armas de titanes tematan de una sola descarga pero si no la tienes Bernadette sigue siendo una excelente piloto que no te costara un riñon conseguirla y ni que decir del fenrir definitivo
Liesel va muchisimo mejor con el ultimate fenrir, a diferencia de bernadette. Por obvias razones.