*_Also, the new guy talks to fast and lacks personality. Great, he is enthusiastic about talking about this, and you see it in his gestures, but just dial it back a bit._*
Highly polished wood panel with similar surface to basketball court. Add weight inside shoe. Tie string to pull loop or otherwise attach to rear of shoe. Add pull scale to end of string. See how many pounds of force before shoe moves.
also could be glass. doesn't have to replicate real world to have comparable data. should prep the shoe and surface with cleaner. and should probably use a shoe "sled" (like a wooden box around the shoe) so the pull point is consistent. if you don't have a last for weight you could use a sock with lead shot that could more easily fill out the shoe, as long as the weight is the same should get interesting data.
8:49 Considering it's the second most common shoe worn by NBA players, I think a better comparison would be a Honda Civic. Incredibly common, practical, unpretentious, works for most ppl. It must work fairly well if so many players wear them; it's not like professional basketball players need to worry abt budget or lack of options when picking shoes.
You want to test shoe sole grip? Try getting a couple of square feet of finished hardwood flooring, placing the shoe on the slab of floor (maybe add some weight to the shoe to “engage” the outsole), and then raising one end of the slab of flooring measure the angle at which the shoe slips down. It might not work, but it would be a repeatable, measurable test.
@@RaccKing21 The angle would need to be >45º, otherwise at 45º an equal component of the weight would be pushing the shoe into the floor as would be pushing it down the slope;
KD have been nothing but a great sneaker line. These are comfy, great traction and cushion and they're far from bulky, which is what you want in a hoop shoe.
Have you even tried wearing these long term especially?? It ages like fine wine. Have played 5 other shoes last year but these shoes are the most fun for me. The more you use it, the better it becomes.
Driving shoes would be interesting. Do F1 drivers have different needs than rally or NASCAR? How do shoes comply with and push the boundaries of the driver apparel specifications?
Glad you guys are getting into other kinds of shoes. IMO you need some kind of rig that has a standard weight that goes in the shoe for giving it some human like drag, then a force scale connected to a pulley that drags the shoe across a controlled surface. You could incline it too if you wanted. You'd want to measure the force it took to make it start moving from static, as well as how well it brings itself to a stop when moving.
I have at least one pair of KDs per series ever since the 4.. I'm from MD so I always wanted to support. I have floral, aunt pearls, pony hairs, egg nogs, 35k degrees, wtf ect.
6:27 I think you can place a finished piece of plywood, which is kinda similar to a basketball court, on two rollers or wheels and hook it up to some kind of dynamometer on the side. Put the shoe on the plywood, weigh it down by putting something heavy on the inside and then pull it horizontally with some rope or laces towards the side, that is opposite to the dynamometer. The higher the force that is shown on it, the better the traction because shoes with better traction would pull the plywood when pulling the shoe I think that would work, I hope it makes sense
Had a similar idea but instead of pulling it you could tilt the board at a known angle and calculate the coefficient of friction based on the distance it moves, weight of the shoe etc. If they are reading this; just search up “coefficient of friction test method for shoe traction” on google I’m sure you’ll find something.
Love the shoe breakdowns lately. Way to make the channel even more interesting with the new pivot! I would probably love to see some saddles cut in half next!
To test gript: put them on the ground and weigh them down with something. Pull them with a newtonmeter (essentially just a spring) untill the shoe starts to move. When grippy shoes start to move, the spring will be extended further than when not so grippy shoes start to move. The amount of spring extention is (in a good setup) a linear function of the grippyness of the shoe. Hope you guys are helpen by my suggestion. I love the channel and have been following since the beginning :)
Awesome job man, weston did a great job with his expertise in the leather and shoe costruction environment but you definitely bring it on the next level with your passion and knowledge of the sport keep it up and maybe in the future try to compare old bball(orother sports=models to the new ones
To test grip, maybe a hardwood slip test would work. Take a piece of hardwood flooring (backed by some thick lumber) and lean it up against a wall. Make it an adjustable rig, where you can adjust the angle at which it leans on the wall. Get someone that's average weight to walk/stand on the hardwood and measure the angle to the floor at which he starts to slip. (This is not a standard test, just something I thought of when you mentioned to suggest a test. The idea started with me thinking, "try walking on the wall" but that is physically impossible unless you are Lionel Richie in the "Dancing on the Ceiling" video.)
suggestion for grip test: place 50 lbs in shoe, place shoe on hardwood turntable, spin faster and faster until shoe flies out from overcoming centripetal force. You can calculate the force, or just report the rotation speed. Key, you’ll need to test on clean and dusty floor surfaces.
Grip/traction test = tilt test - place the shoe on a board of fixed roughness, raise one side of the board until the shoe loses traction and slides, document angle at which that occurs.
You have to also remember, that the shoes that the players wear are not the same shoes produced for sale. For example, the actual shoe worn by KD will have full zoom air, whereas the retail one will not. It's one way they are able to sell a cheaper version of the shoe.
To test the grip you may want to take something from car detailing videos where they compare coatings by dragging the shoe across a piece of hardwood court and test how much force it takes to move.
Maybe for testing grip of a shoe you could use a platform which you could change the angle. The idea would be the more steep angle the grippier the shoe. There are some holes in it because high anckle shoes would perform worse in it but maybe it’s a good point to start from and perfect it irl.
For testing grip: try putting something weighty inside the footwear, the heavier the better. Then put the footwear on the type(s) of surface(s) you wanna test it on, loop some kind of belt/rope around the heel, that’s connected to a machine that measures the force needed to pull the footwear forward. Not exactly the most scientific, but if you can be consist with the weight placed inside the footwear and the surfaces you’re testing on, it should be interesting to start including those tests.
Use a basketball court wood plank , add a little weight to the shoe , lift the plank up by degrees and see how steep the the degree is before the shoe slips
surprised you guys dont do running shoes. With carbon fiber plates and insane and expensive types of supercritical super foams, the running shoe space has exploded with tech in the last few years. Shoes are routinely topping out at $250+. Id love to see an analysis and comparison of the makeup and performance of these foams and shoes.
Kevin durant’s personal shoes are all going to be custom hand made to his specific foot shape and built with much better quality than the mass produced version.
That part! People forget that athletes get theirs custom made. If these are worn by others in the NBA there has to be more to the shoes for them, not the average consumer.
I've tried a lot of basketball shoes, having both knees injured, i can say that these pairs are better than the gt jump 2s (bounce and cushion wise). No soreness, good court feel and decent traction.
To test traction you could put a 5lbs weight in the shoe and then place the show on something like a pane of glass and then a fish-weighing type scale to measure the amount of force for it to slide
Try applying weight on to the shoe on a court surface to simulate someone standing in them. Then measure the pull force when trying to pull them forward via the best way to pull forward for this. Maybe looping around the entire shoe or hooking into it. Check out project farm for videos of years that might be able to help with brainstorming.
You could get a squat piece of basketball court and see how high of an angle you can go to until it slips off that would be a good way to test the traction
If we say that this shoe is a "Lexus" what would the "Toyota" equivalent be? Or in other words, which low cost shoe hits all the same technical beats or has similar construction with the luxury markups?
@6:15 can you test the grippyness of climbing shoes? Like LA Sportiva, Black Diamond, Five Ten. They're supposed to be really grippy so you can climb slick spots like sand stone.
7:00 yiu could put the shoe on a piece of hard wood and elevate the wood until the shoe slips, tale recorded angle, and degree should be your measurement for grip.
What about tennis shoes ? I think basketball and tennis shoes are the most complicated shoes to develop and produce due to all the materials requirements ! I am working in Asia with sport shoe suppliers. I would be more than happy to help if you have any construction or material questions Love your videos guys
I’ve always wondered we basketball players don’t get shoes with ankle support ,especially since sprained or rolled ankles is such a common injury. These shoes look like the cheapest thinnest material ,good marketing I guess.
Thanks for this new series! You should do a bit more reserch before saying some things so you don't lose you're credibility. First, the signatures shoes as nothing to do with quality, but are all about marketing. That why there are no shoes at the same price in one brand! Before saying that because there is no full-length air is not looking good in fact it not good for a performance basketball. To test the grip you could have the shoes with a weight on a wood floor and test how many pounds of force it takes to push/move it!
I REALLY want to see if anyone can get their hands on a pair of game-worn shoes that a legit NBA player has worn, and compare it to one you buy from a store. I can be almost certain that Nike makes the game worn shoes better than the store bought ones. That'll open up a serious can of worms!
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*_Also, the new guy talks to fast and lacks personality. Great, he is enthusiastic about talking about this, and you see it in his gestures, but just dial it back a bit._*
Is the how to resole the African ranger barefoots at home video coming soon?
Highly polished wood panel with similar surface to basketball court.
Add weight inside shoe.
Tie string to pull loop or otherwise attach to rear of shoe.
Add pull scale to end of string.
See how many pounds of force before shoe moves.
Maybe use an old last to distribute the weight more like a real foot as well
Sounds like something Project Farm would do 👍
@@THX5000 I came here to write this exact phrase
also could be glass. doesn't have to replicate real world to have comparable data. should prep the shoe and surface with cleaner. and should probably use a shoe "sled" (like a wooden box around the shoe) so the pull point is consistent. if you don't have a last for weight you could use a sock with lead shot that could more easily fill out the shoe, as long as the weight is the same should get interesting data.
8:49 Considering it's the second most common shoe worn by NBA players, I think a better comparison would be a Honda Civic. Incredibly common, practical, unpretentious, works for most ppl. It must work fairly well if so many players wear them; it's not like professional basketball players need to worry abt budget or lack of options when picking shoes.
Exactly!!
I want the title " lead sneakerhead" at a company like Anvil 😂 😂 Congrats Caulin
Well my MFP callsign is “ claw hammer”
You want to test shoe sole grip? Try getting a couple of square feet of finished hardwood flooring, placing the shoe on the slab of floor (maybe add some weight to the shoe to “engage” the outsole), and then raising one end of the slab of flooring measure the angle at which the shoe slips down. It might not work, but it would be a repeatable, measurable test.
They could also have a fixed angle on the flooring, and make the weight the thing that changes. Increase weight until it starts slipping off.
@@RaccKing21 The angle would need to be >45º, otherwise at 45º an equal component of the weight would be pushing the shoe into the floor as would be pushing it down the slope;
You might be on to something here
I've got a foolproof traction test idea for you. Play basketball in the shoes... 🤷♂️
Exactly
KD have been nothing but a great sneaker line. These are comfy, great traction and cushion and they're far from bulky, which is what you want in a hoop shoe.
This is a great shoe. I love playing in them. No more knee pain. This is great for upper 30s players and even beyond.
Have you even tried wearing these long term especially?? It ages like fine wine. Have played 5 other shoes last year but these shoes are the most fun for me. The more you use it, the better it becomes.
Arrow in your quiver.
This man's plays RuneScape
Driving shoes would be interesting. Do F1 drivers have different needs than rally or NASCAR? How do shoes comply with and push the boundaries of the driver apparel specifications?
Their primary goal is control of the clutch in nascar and fire resistance
those highlights in the background were outstanding!
Glad you guys are getting into other kinds of shoes. IMO you need some kind of rig that has a standard weight that goes in the shoe for giving it some human like drag, then a force scale connected to a pulley that drags the shoe across a controlled surface. You could incline it too if you wanted. You'd want to measure the force it took to make it start moving from static, as well as how well it brings itself to a stop when moving.
I have at least one pair of KDs per series ever since the 4.. I'm from MD so I always wanted to support. I have floral, aunt pearls, pony hairs, egg nogs, 35k degrees, wtf ect.
The 6s and 9s were my two favorites
Dang, can't believe I didn't know this! I was born around PG County where KD is from. Thanks for the heads up.
6:27 I think you can place a finished piece of plywood, which is kinda similar to a basketball court, on two rollers or wheels and hook it up to some kind of dynamometer on the side. Put the shoe on the plywood, weigh it down by putting something heavy on the inside and then pull it horizontally with some rope or laces towards the side, that is opposite to the dynamometer. The higher the force that is shown on it, the better the traction because shoes with better traction would pull the plywood when pulling the shoe
I think that would work, I hope it makes sense
Had a similar idea but instead of pulling it you could tilt the board at a known angle and calculate the coefficient of friction based on the distance it moves, weight of the shoe etc. If they are reading this; just search up “coefficient of friction test method for shoe traction” on google I’m sure you’ll find something.
Love the shoe breakdowns lately. Way to make the channel even more interesting with the new pivot! I would probably love to see some saddles cut in half next!
I was always wishing you guys wuld do more perfomance and casual athletic sneakers, please keep it up. Caulin is the man
To test gript: put them on the ground and weigh them down with something. Pull them with a newtonmeter (essentially just a spring) untill the shoe starts to move. When grippy shoes start to move, the spring will be extended further than when not so grippy shoes start to move. The amount of spring extention is (in a good setup) a linear function of the grippyness of the shoe. Hope you guys are helpen by my suggestion. I love the channel and have been following since the beginning :)
Caulin such a breath of fresh air. Always wanted someone to look at these shoes
Awesome job man, weston did a great job with his expertise in the leather and shoe costruction environment but you definitely bring it on the next level with your passion and knowledge of the sport keep it up and maybe in the future try to compare old bball(orother sports=models to the new ones
To test grip, maybe a hardwood slip test would work. Take a piece of hardwood flooring (backed by some thick lumber) and lean it up against a wall. Make it an adjustable rig, where you can adjust the angle at which it leans on the wall. Get someone that's average weight to walk/stand on the hardwood and measure the angle to the floor at which he starts to slip. (This is not a standard test, just something I thought of when you mentioned to suggest a test. The idea started with me thinking, "try walking on the wall" but that is physically impossible unless you are Lionel Richie in the "Dancing on the Ceiling" video.)
Jordan 34 would be interesting to see, I always felt its construction is odd but damn cool
Love this, great way to expand the channel
suggestion for grip test: place 50 lbs in shoe, place shoe on hardwood turntable, spin faster and faster until shoe flies out from overcoming centripetal force. You can calculate the force, or just report the rotation speed. Key, you’ll need to test on clean and dusty floor surfaces.
Grip/traction test = tilt test - place the shoe on a board of fixed roughness, raise one side of the board until the shoe loses traction and slides, document angle at which that occurs.
Bro, 😎 appreciate sharing the limelight. But you lend the show a credibility that can be momentarily loaned but not replaced.
Liking these sneaker tear downs. Would love to see you do Way of Wade All City 12s!
The Nike basketball shoes with Adidas socks is hilarious 🤣😂😅
You have to also remember, that the shoes that the players wear are not the same shoes produced for sale. For example, the actual shoe worn by KD will have full zoom air, whereas the retail one will not. It's one way they are able to sell a cheaper version of the shoe.
To test the grip you may want to take something from car detailing videos where they compare coatings by dragging the shoe across a piece of hardwood court and test how much force it takes to move.
Maybe for testing grip of a shoe you could use a platform which you could change the angle. The idea would be the more steep angle the grippier the shoe. There are some holes in it because high anckle shoes would perform worse in it but maybe it’s a good point to start from and perfect it irl.
For testing grip: try putting something weighty inside the footwear, the heavier the better. Then put the footwear on the type(s) of surface(s) you wanna test it on, loop some kind of belt/rope around the heel, that’s connected to a machine that measures the force needed to pull the footwear forward. Not exactly the most scientific, but if you can be consist with the weight placed inside the footwear and the surfaces you’re testing on, it should be interesting to start including those tests.
Use a basketball court wood plank , add a little weight to the shoe , lift the plank up by degrees and see how steep the the degree is before the shoe slips
surprised you guys dont do running shoes. With carbon fiber plates and insane and expensive types of supercritical super foams, the running shoe space has exploded with tech in the last few years. Shoes are routinely topping out at $250+. Id love to see an analysis and comparison of the makeup and performance of these foams and shoes.
Kevin durant’s personal shoes are all going to be custom hand made to his specific foot shape and built with much better quality than the mass produced version.
That part! People forget that athletes get theirs custom made. If these are worn by others in the NBA there has to be more to the shoes for them, not the average consumer.
Use a piece of hardwood flooring on a hinge which you raise to a higher and higher angle until it slides
To test outsole durability, more than the rubber hardness, you could do an abrasion test with a Dremel or a belt sander to see how durable it might be
Give this man his bonus already!!.. fo reals tho. Keep it coming young buck and thanks as well to @Rose Anvil. Great vid as always.
I've tried a lot of basketball shoes, having both knees injured, i can say that these pairs are better than the gt jump 2s (bounce and cushion wise). No soreness, good court feel and decent traction.
To test traction you could put a 5lbs weight in the shoe and then place the show on something like a pane of glass and then a fish-weighing type scale to measure the amount of force for it to slide
I loved the way the 14s looked but never got any. They even got solid discounts at years end
Try applying weight on to the shoe on a court surface to simulate someone standing in them. Then measure the pull force when trying to pull them forward via the best way to pull forward for this. Maybe looping around the entire shoe or hooking into it. Check out project farm for videos of years that might be able to help with brainstorming.
Learning point: convertibles are heavier than permanent tops because of the reinforcement in the frame to keep the vehicle from twisting out of shape
for gripability you may want to try putting a standardized weight it and seeing how much power it takes to break the shoe or to get it moving
You could get a squat piece of basketball court and see how high of an angle you can go to until it slips off that would be a good way to test the traction
can you review trail shoes like Salomon and why is it expensive? Thank you.
They already did that:)
I would love to see the GT Jump 2 cut in half. It's supposed to be Nikes maximum cushion basketball shoe.
Love to see a Giannis freak or immortality shoe! How they compare to a KD as a more entry level price basketball shoe
If we say that this shoe is a "Lexus" what would the "Toyota" equivalent be? Or in other words, which low cost shoe hits all the same technical beats or has similar construction with the luxury markups?
I would like to see some of the more affordable shoes and how they stack up. Like Trae Young's or the Giannis immortality.
New Balance 991 V2...Abzorb+ Encap+Fuelcell......weating for that.💛
Any chance for an UGG boot series? Kinda like comparing the UGG vs competitors and knockoffs or dupes.
It's nice to kwnow all that cause we the consumer will understand what quality we get 🏀👟
Not even minivans. Tried them on, walked around home for a bit in these, the upper inside the shoe does not feel good.
do the athletes really get the exact same shoe? or do they get a premium version over the for sale one
That's what I'm wondering as well.
Premium 100%
slanted piece of glass, water, and shoes. increase the angle, test the "grippyness"
@6:15 can you test the grippyness of climbing shoes? Like LA Sportiva, Black Diamond, Five Ten. They're supposed to be really grippy so you can climb slick spots like sand stone.
I’d love to see the Zoom Freak 5. It is another shoe that attempts to keep the cost down.
7:00 yiu could put the shoe on a piece of hard wood and elevate the wood until the shoe slips, tale recorded angle, and degree should be your measurement for grip.
I love these basketball videos ❤️
What about tennis shoes ?
I think basketball and tennis shoes are the most complicated shoes to develop and produce due to all the materials requirements !
I am working in Asia with sport shoe suppliers. I would be more than happy to help if you have any construction or material questions
Love your videos guys
Don't sleep in the honda odyssey. They're actually pretty fast and with the right mods can be badass
You're missing the most distinctive point of the KDs, the narrow fit!
This video has Great Value Weston in it. It's the Mr.Pibb of shoe cutting videos.
Great Value Weston is crazy 💀
I’ve always wondered we basketball players don’t get shoes with ankle support ,especially since sprained or rolled ankles is such a common injury. These shoes look like the cheapest thinnest material ,good marketing I guess.
I dunno man, the current Honda Odyssey is fast for a mini van... It's faster than a lot of 60s muscle cars lol
I would love to see the new Anthony Edwards shoe (AE1) on here!
Keep em coming
now you need to cut fake performance basketball and compare it to authentic one to show if its worth it to buy authentic or not
Not good in downgrading the insole from the 15s those had kobe 6 insoles
Dude's a natural
get in to basketball rose anvil love you
Adidas AE 1 and Harden 8, and the Crazy Line!
Idk why you don’t show in my feed anymore
Please review JK Western and para Colby James.
Well as an asian i can say that Honda Odyssey are good to having and riding bruh
Timestamps are wrong, particularly the insole timestamp.
Kd don’t even care for the shoe. He said it’s just another shoe. Players input ends after the 2nd sig.
How bout jordam retros? 14, 13, 12 and maybe uodated 11?
Them adidas socks with nikes😢
You should do the ja 1 by Nike that’s the shoes of Ja morant
Thanks for this new series! You should do a bit more reserch before saying some things so you don't lose you're credibility. First, the signatures shoes as nothing to do with quality, but are all about marketing. That why there are no shoes at the same price in one brand! Before saying that because there is no full-length air is not looking good in fact it not good for a performance basketball. To test the grip you could have the shoes with a weight on a wood floor and test how many pounds of force it takes to push/move it!
Man had the nerve to ask for a better test for how grippy the shoe is… play in it
There is a foot shaped basketball shoe by ATG, Ben Patrick's Uncivilized 2.0🦋👣
I don’t know if we’ll see a Lamborghini. Maybe if Nick’s releases a basketball shoe? 😊
Players wear shoes probably because they like the way it feels on court based on their playing style.
Foamposites and LeBron 15’s please!
Review brooks
Not the same without weston on camera 😢
please review the merrell trail and vapor glove sheoes
Cover the AE1
Please do adidas ae1 or anta Kai 1
I REALLY want to see if anyone can get their hands on a pair of game-worn shoes that a legit NBA player has worn, and compare it to one you buy from a store. I can be almost certain that Nike makes the game worn shoes better than the store bought ones. That'll open up a serious can of worms!
Try out the book 1
I’d be curious how Joel Embiids shoes perform. I wonder how under armour makes sneakers. 🤔
Cover the Adidas AE1
Hiw you gonna wear Adidas socks with these.
do the zion 3 se please
@Rose Anvil x @FootDoctorZach collab sson?
could you do the ae 1s?
What happened to the normal guy?