Thanks Tony. Thought it dragged out a bit but I’d prefer to show everything I can as everyone wants to see different bits. Have you got it or thinking about buying it?
Great video. Thanks, I've subscribed. I'm thinking of getting the pioneer 2 compact with shorter poles making it easier to get into panniers or across the handlebar. I've already got a vango f10 Xenon and a naturehike cloud up 2. And a wild country panacea 2. I fancy something a bit more solid than the vango and the cloud up and with more headroom. But lighter than the panacea
@@davelakin3821 tbh the non compact like mine does take up much room, but as you know on a bike any space saving is a bonus so if the compact packs smaller, result. It’s a great tent. Packs the same size as my helm1 and weighs the same but is way more roomy. I’ve used mine all over the country now and it’s never let me down in any conditions. You’re clearly a kit lover having all them tents 😉😂👌🏻
I've always appreciated clever tent design. In the seventies and eighties I was backpacking and walking 100 mile plus walks like the Alpine Pass Route across Switzerland. The tent I chose was the Keb designed by Bo Hilleberg. The first commercial tent to have the fly and inner connected for simultaneous pitching. The tent was heavy by today's standards but manageable for two if one carried poles and pegs. What I loved about this tent was it had two doors and two vestibule areas, so the kit of two could be kept separate, plus of course the easy pitching. It had many other clever features, too, but I'll not list them. Hilleberg had always wanted to produce a tunnel tent, but at the time, pole materials were not advanced enough. Of course, Hilleberg is now famous for their tunnel tents, and I bought an original Nallo 2 for considerably more than you paid the Terra Nova even back then. I never enjoyed it as much as the Keb though with its double entrance. When I retired I looked around for a quality tent with the same clever thinking that went into the Keb, and I found it in the Terra Nova Pioneer 2. I think this tent is often overlooked and, at the current price of £399, is an absolute bargain compared to say the Southern Cross or God forbid current Hilleberg prices. You chose a great tent. Congratulations.
I bet you have had some fun times back in the day in that Keb? I love the alps and my plan at some point is to move there if possible. Everytime I go to the alps I love it. Yes the pioneer2 ticked every box for me, then only thing missing is a hook inside to hang a lantern, but I’m going to see one in the next time I get the tent out. I will be looking after this for many years as it’s perfect for what I need. You can’t go wrong if you buy it. No vestibule on the spare side but having the extra door is perfect.
Ha I had the original Nallow 2 before I then changed it for the mark 1 Akto which did good service through Norway and beyond that was back in the 80s 😊
@@davidhale1568 if we look after our tents they last years. Always worth paying for quality if you use and look after it. RSF tee is one of my faves. I do want to head up north to join some rides or atleast ride some old school routes. Not many in flat bournemouth
@@thebikepackingadventurer Re Tents when looking at the cost of a tent I always like to compare it to the cost of 30 nights in a B&B, then I feel good 😊
Great video with a thorough look around the tent. Always keen to see others' take on stuff. I have this tent and do like it. Wondered if you've had it out in strong winds? I think I'd be happy with 40mph winds with this but a little nervous towards of that. So hilltop camps may be a no no given the changing conditions especially in winter. Keen to hear your experience
I’ve had it out in big winds, but tbh if I knew it was 40mph+ before setting off on my way to camp I wouldn’t bother. Not worth the risk of an absolute disaster in my eyes. I have had my helm1 in 50mph that wasn’t predicted on mountain top and it just survived and if pegged out properly the. Pioneer seems rock solid too
Yes although the groundsheet on this is very thick. I always have a closed cell foam mat under me, but in the winter I will put the footprint down to stop rising moisture too. Does the extra layer even though thin make a good difference to warmth? I’ve never had a footprint
This is more closer to a 4 season so airflow is less of a concern, and more about about strength and protection, however the good thing is it dry can remove the top hat, and also spread doors as double zips. I will be using it in France for 5 days in the rain from Thursday bikepacking so will find out for sure 😂. I like the hubba 2 person, but not the pitch inner first.
@@thebikepackingadventurer I’ll look forward to the France video, that’s the only thing with the MSR inner first I know what you mean i only camp late spring summer & autumn. New subscriber to ya channel.
@@gazza1858 thanks. Yes it is going to be a wet trip, but a great rest of all the gear. My friend has the 2 person hubba and a super roomy tent, he loves it except the pitch inner first. Shame as it’s a beauty of a tent and I would’ve got that I think previously. This tent is going to be my winter/poor weather tent. Hopefully can film some good footage for a good video, maybe split it over 2 or 3 videos dependant on weather 😂💦
Yes I have nothing but praise on first impressions, time will tell with use. I think I will make a few lightweight y sticks to put in the peg bag to lift the skirt up in the summer for extra air flow
Great review mate, that looks to be a awesome tent and a brilliant investment, I'd love to see you do a load out or a vid on how you pack your bike bags, I've watched a few others but a lot are either credit card touring or going super light weight with like a bin bag to sleep in 🤣🤣 I've done/do bike touring with a full pannier set, but I've recently bought a polygon mtb and kitted it with a full set of podsac bags including fork bags, but I'm struggling a bit getting the balance/amount of kit packed, even stripped down to what I think is the bare essentials!! So would love to see a realistic kit list including a tent, or hammock and tarp with whatever else you take, great channel btw really enjoy your vids, cheers Mick 👍👍
Hi Mick, thanks I agree. Things can be expensive but when they are used wisely to create great memories, I can justify it. Took me a long time to press buy though 😂. I will be doing a video showing my bike setup for the upcoming trip next month, and everything I will be packing. Will have the gear out and talk through why I chose those bits, and end with it all on the bike packed, so keep an eye out next month for that. It will be based on weather as to what I take, so will know about 1 week before. Toying between a hooped bivvy and this tent 🤷🏻♂️. It’s a really fine balance of weight to essential gear, and also not leaving yourself exposed too much.
@@thebikepackingadventurer brilliant look forward to watching it mate 👍👍 I can imagine the hovering over the buy button, I'm like that with a 16 quid stove never mind a 400 pound tent 🤣🤣
@@Mickoutdoors I do it with everything, I think “do I really need this” about a hundred times before I buy stuff these days. I usually add it to the basket and think about it for a week. Trying to remove the impulse buy and then it sit there on the shelf unused 😂
I got mine for 7 pounds, got proof to prove it... Couldn't believe it. I got 16 red pegs and a blue pipe thing with several holes in it, Ive no idea what's that for. Plus I've noticed that the one I've got has reflectors where the poles go through. 7 quid you know.
No I haven’t. Tough to get here in the uk with import tax as well. I don’t use trekking poles on hikes so not the ideal tent for me, although it does look interesting
Great first look Nathan. I’ve got tent envy for sure. I wonder if the top cap would slot through the top zipper of the door to stop it flapping? Maybe you’d already have it open for ventilation, but worth a thought. ATB
That is a really good idea actually, ta. Will see if it goes through and then the top zip pull up, or at least between the 2 I think should work. We always want want we don’t have and I like your lanshan. If I get in to hiking more I will 100% be buying one
Great tent, looks so much better first hand, I’m hoping to get the helm 1, only if the boss lets me 🤣 but I think I will need to sell my alpkit soloist 👍
@@outdooradventure4590 🤞🏻 for you to get the go ahead 😂🏕 Just found it for under £130 www.outdoorgear.co.uk/Wild-Country-Wild-Country-Helm-Compact-1-Tent-sku51128501.asp
I just set it up how it should be in my opinion. The corner peg out points outside determine how tight the inside is a bit, so guessing the ones you’ve seen aren’t pulling these far enough out. Every camp I have done in this so far it is solid and no issues with strong winds yet
@@Northern_Rockhopper the southern cross2 does look great. It’s a touch more room inside but not worth the extra in my eyes. 5cms longer and 5cms taller but is 130g heavier. The biggest factor though is the southern cross is over £300 more expensive. Pioneer2 is on offer for £399 with footprint currently
Now the price of the Helm2 has skyrocketed, I definitely think so. It’s lighter (not that is high on my priorities) much better quality material that will last more years, and the inner is fixed far better in the pioneer keeping it tight. I love my helm1 and will never get rid of it, but the pioneer2 just has more room for the same weight. It’s certainly a luxury, but is just that bit better in every way, and this for me was a long term investment
@@thebikepackingadventurer thanks for the reply. I see the price of the helm 2 is currently £220 ish, but have seen one particular dealer trying to rob people of £300 !!
@@dlite1972 yes many highly inflated prices out there. I think the helm2 is great and would suit many. It’s a great tent and £220 is a great price for it
The pack size, basically 2kg and need to sleep in each others legs make this tent unusable for my bikepacking needs. I'll stick to the cheapo Naturehike Tagar 2 which has more space and packs smaller. When hike-a-biking in Scotland the single layer design doesn't matter as it's always wet anyway.
Yeah all tents are very particular to the user. This will be coming on my bikecamping trip in France next weekend, but I mainly got it for bad weather/strong winds/snowy camps for its strength. Yeah scotland is 99.9% wet
It will 100% be the tent I will be bring up to the dales for sure. I need a proper snowy camp this winter and we never get snow down here in Bournemouth 😫.
Clipping the door back is the most stupid idea I've seen for years..The door now hangs half way across the entrance , fills with wind, and you have to get out of the tent to open or close it.
I quite like the clip for ease to get out the way, but yes I do have to lean out slightly to reach the clip to zip back up. However if I’m going to bed I just unclip before I get in. I love the tent, but I guess we all have different tastes and requirements.
@henchy3rd I suppose we all like different bits about certain designs. This tent is as close to perfect for me as possible, but a few bits I would slightly change.
@@thebikepackingadventurer Thought I would give it a try, bought the Southern Cross 2, it does niggle me bit not as much as I thought it would. I'll probably get used to it. My Mrs thinks its a great idea. I did replace the toggles though they were too small, and my Mrs has given the inner a nip & tuck here and there due to inner sag.
@@Chris66able yeah I’ve seen other pioneers that were a bit saggy inside since I did this video. Mine is tight but I guess slight changes make a big difference. I like the clip for the door, but in winds I just close it up so not to damage it. The SC2 is solid
Lots of tents are very similar when looking at 3/4 season tents, but this has been out years. This is the higher end version of the Helm 2. Do you have a hilleberg, which one do you think it’s a copy of?
In what way, its not stupidly over priced, hasn't got crappy zips, is properly ventilated, is not famous for bad condensation, has got good vestibules space, and decent headroom, the exact opposite of Hillebergs.
Fully support this 😂. To be honest I may even be selling mine if after a couple of camps in this pioneer 2 it works out well. The only thing I like a touch more about the helm1 is you can have the sides up off the ground a touch for airflow, but I think I can sort something similar for this
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Excellent review and demonstration of how to erect the tent so as to get the inner taut.
Thanks Tony. Thought it dragged out a bit but I’d prefer to show everything I can as everyone wants to see different bits. Have you got it or thinking about buying it?
Great video. Thanks, I've subscribed. I'm thinking of getting the pioneer 2 compact with shorter poles making it easier to get into panniers or across the handlebar. I've already got a vango f10 Xenon and a naturehike cloud up 2. And a wild country panacea 2. I fancy something a bit more solid than the vango and the cloud up and with more headroom. But lighter than the panacea
@@davelakin3821 tbh the non compact like mine does take up much room, but as you know on a bike any space saving is a bonus so if the compact packs smaller, result. It’s a great tent. Packs the same size as my helm1 and weighs the same but is way more roomy. I’ve used mine all over the country now and it’s never let me down in any conditions. You’re clearly a kit lover having all them tents 😉😂👌🏻
I've always appreciated clever tent design. In the seventies and eighties I was backpacking and walking 100 mile plus walks like the Alpine Pass Route across Switzerland. The tent I chose was the Keb designed by Bo Hilleberg. The first commercial tent to have the fly and inner connected for simultaneous pitching. The tent was heavy by today's standards but manageable for two if one carried poles and pegs. What I loved about this tent was it had two doors and two vestibule areas, so the kit of two could be kept separate, plus of course the easy pitching. It had many other clever features, too, but I'll not list them. Hilleberg had always wanted to produce a tunnel tent, but at the time, pole materials were not advanced enough. Of course, Hilleberg is now famous for their tunnel tents, and I bought an original Nallo 2 for considerably more than you paid the Terra Nova even back then. I never enjoyed it as much as the Keb though with its double entrance. When I retired I looked around for a quality tent with the same clever thinking that went into the Keb, and I found it in the Terra Nova Pioneer 2. I think this tent is often overlooked and, at the current price of £399, is an absolute bargain compared to say the Southern Cross or God forbid current Hilleberg prices. You chose a great tent. Congratulations.
I bet you have had some fun times back in the day in that Keb? I love the alps and my plan at some point is to move there if possible. Everytime I go to the alps I love it.
Yes the pioneer2 ticked every box for me, then only thing missing is a hook inside to hang a lantern, but I’m going to see one in the next time I get the tent out. I will be looking after this for many years as it’s perfect for what I need. You can’t go wrong if you buy it. No vestibule on the spare side but having the extra door is perfect.
Ha I had the original Nallow 2 before I then changed it for the mark 1 Akto which did good service through Norway and beyond that was back in the 80s 😊
Just noticed the rough stuff fellowship tee shirt 👍
@@davidhale1568 if we look after our tents they last years. Always worth paying for quality if you use and look after it.
RSF tee is one of my faves. I do want to head up north to join some rides or atleast ride some old school routes. Not many in flat bournemouth
@@thebikepackingadventurer
Re Tents when looking at the cost of a tent I always like to compare it to the cost of 30 nights in a B&B, then I feel good 😊
Great video with a thorough look around the tent. Always keen to see others' take on stuff. I have this tent and do like it. Wondered if you've had it out in strong winds? I think I'd be happy with 40mph winds with this but a little nervous towards of that. So hilltop camps may be a no no given the changing conditions especially in winter. Keen to hear your experience
I’ve had it out in big winds, but tbh if I knew it was 40mph+ before setting off on my way to camp I wouldn’t bother. Not worth the risk of an absolute disaster in my eyes. I have had my helm1 in 50mph that wasn’t predicted on mountain top and it just survived and if pegged out properly the. Pioneer seems rock solid too
@@thebikepackingadventurer cheers
@@thecolofthewild you’re welcome 😊⛺️
Also, the footprint will be an extra barrier between you and the ground which you will be thankful for in winter.
Yes although the groundsheet on this is very thick. I always have a closed cell foam mat under me, but in the winter I will put the footprint down to stop rising moisture too.
Does the extra layer even though thin make a good difference to warmth? I’ve never had a footprint
What’s it like with condensation? I like the MSR tents because of the airflow..
This is more closer to a 4 season so airflow is less of a concern, and more about about strength and protection, however the good thing is it dry can remove the top hat, and also spread doors as double zips. I will be using it in France for 5 days in the rain from Thursday bikepacking so will find out for sure 😂.
I like the hubba 2 person, but not the pitch inner first.
@@thebikepackingadventurer I’ll look forward to the France video, that’s the only thing with the MSR inner first I know what you mean i only camp late spring summer & autumn. New subscriber to ya channel.
@@gazza1858 thanks. Yes it is going to be a wet trip, but a great rest of all the gear. My friend has the 2 person hubba and a super roomy tent, he loves it except the pitch inner first. Shame as it’s a beauty of a tent and I would’ve got that I think previously. This tent is going to be my winter/poor weather tent.
Hopefully can film some good footage for a good video, maybe split it over 2 or 3 videos dependant on weather 😂💦
@@thebikepackingadventurer Have a safe journey & enjoy 😉
@@gazza1858 thanks 🤞🏻
Have the tent had it for over year it’s not bad at all use it a lot
Yes I have nothing but praise on first impressions, time will tell with use. I think I will make a few lightweight y sticks to put in the peg bag to lift the skirt up in the summer for extra air flow
Great review mate, that looks to be a awesome tent and a brilliant investment, I'd love to see you do a load out or a vid on how you pack your bike bags, I've watched a few others but a lot are either credit card touring or going super light weight with like a bin bag to sleep in 🤣🤣 I've done/do bike touring with a full pannier set, but I've recently bought a polygon mtb and kitted it with a full set of podsac bags including fork bags, but I'm struggling a bit getting the balance/amount of kit packed, even stripped down to what I think is the bare essentials!! So would love to see a realistic kit list including a tent, or hammock and tarp with whatever else you take, great channel btw really enjoy your vids, cheers Mick 👍👍
Hi Mick, thanks I agree. Things can be expensive but when they are used wisely to create great memories, I can justify it. Took me a long time to press buy though 😂.
I will be doing a video showing my bike setup for the upcoming trip next month, and everything I will be packing. Will have the gear out and talk through why I chose those bits, and end with it all on the bike packed, so keep an eye out next month for that. It will be based on weather as to what I take, so will know about 1 week before. Toying between a hooped bivvy and this tent 🤷🏻♂️.
It’s a really fine balance of weight to essential gear, and also not leaving yourself exposed too much.
@@thebikepackingadventurer brilliant look forward to watching it mate 👍👍 I can imagine the hovering over the buy button, I'm like that with a 16 quid stove never mind a 400 pound tent 🤣🤣
@@Mickoutdoors I do it with everything, I think “do I really need this” about a hundred times before I buy stuff these days. I usually add it to the basket and think about it for a week. Trying to remove the impulse buy and then it sit there on the shelf unused 😂
Great video Nathan! Now stop teasing me 😆😬😬😬
Thanks mate. Sorry no can do, it’s a new mission to encourage buying camping equipment #comeonbenbuyit 😂
Or #terranova gift Ben a tent 😉🏕
I got mine for 7 pounds, got proof to prove it...
Couldn't believe it. I got 16 red pegs and a blue pipe thing with several holes in it, Ive no idea what's that for. Plus I've noticed that the one I've got has reflectors where the poles go through.
7 quid you know.
@@gooniesmoonies4606 £7 eh? Bargain of the century. I’d buy 10,000 more and start selling them for £107. You’ll have a million in a month 😉😂
Hello, I was wondering if on the none vestibule side of the tent does the inner stick to the outer when wet or in windy conditions ?
Not if you have the tent setup correctly. Got to make sure the corners are tight otherwise it may. It is about 2-3” away I would say
Have tried one of the Dunston tents?
No I haven’t. Tough to get here in the uk with import tax as well. I don’t use trekking poles on hikes so not the ideal tent for me, although it does look interesting
@@thebikepackingadventurer you can get Z-poles
@@vanzijlp interesting, they could come in handy and easy to pack away.
Great first look Nathan. I’ve got tent envy for sure. I wonder if the top cap would slot through the top zipper of the door to stop it flapping? Maybe you’d already have it open for ventilation, but worth a thought. ATB
That is a really good idea actually, ta. Will see if it goes through and then the top zip pull up, or at least between the 2 I think should work. We always want want we don’t have and I like your lanshan. If I get in to hiking more I will 100% be buying one
Great tent, looks so much better first hand, I’m hoping to get the helm 1, only if the boss lets me 🤣 but I think I will need to sell my alpkit soloist 👍
Highly recommend the helm1. Strong as an ox, under 2kgs and can cope with strong winds 👌🏻
@@thebikepackingadventurer that’s what I’m after, but need to sweet talk the boss 😁
@@outdooradventure4590 🤞🏻 for you to get the go ahead 😂🏕
Just found it for under £130
www.outdoorgear.co.uk/Wild-Country-Wild-Country-Helm-Compact-1-Tent-sku51128501.asp
Looks a great tent, how did you get the inside so taut, it looks saggy in other vids online
I just set it up how it should be in my opinion. The corner peg out points outside determine how tight the inside is a bit, so guessing the ones you’ve seen aren’t pulling these far enough out. Every camp I have done in this so far it is solid and no issues with strong winds yet
@@thebikepackingadventurer Thanks… I can’t make my mind up whether to buy this tent or wait until March for the southern cross
@@Northern_Rockhopper the southern cross2 does look great. It’s a touch more room inside but not worth the extra in my eyes. 5cms longer and 5cms taller but is 130g heavier. The biggest factor though is the southern cross is over £300 more expensive. Pioneer2 is on offer for £399 with footprint currently
Do you think this is worth the extra money when compared to the helm 2 ?
Now the price of the Helm2 has skyrocketed, I definitely think so. It’s lighter (not that is high on my priorities) much better quality material that will last more years, and the inner is fixed far better in the pioneer keeping it tight. I love my helm1 and will never get rid of it, but the pioneer2 just has more room for the same weight.
It’s certainly a luxury, but is just that bit better in every way, and this for me was a long term investment
@@thebikepackingadventurer thanks for the reply. I see the price of the helm 2 is currently £220 ish, but have seen one particular dealer trying to rob people of £300 !!
@@dlite1972 yes many highly inflated prices out there. I think the helm2 is great and would suit many. It’s a great tent and £220 is a great price for it
Would that tent handle high moutain gales?
My helm1 has handled 40mph winds in wales, and this is supposed to be stronger! Time will tell but I have seen some good reviews on it, so 🤞🏻
Nice looking tent! Great review. New follower here. Crow
Thank you. Yes it served me well on my recent french bikepacking trip, lots of room. Thank you for the sub
The pack size, basically 2kg and need to sleep in each others legs make this tent unusable for my bikepacking needs. I'll stick to the cheapo Naturehike Tagar 2 which has more space and packs smaller. When hike-a-biking in Scotland the single layer design doesn't matter as it's always wet anyway.
Yeah all tents are very particular to the user. This will be coming on my bikecamping trip in France next weekend, but I mainly got it for bad weather/strong winds/snowy camps for its strength.
Yeah scotland is 99.9% wet
@@thebikepackingadventurer yeah if you need to camp in the snow, the extra ruggedness of the TerraNova will come in handy!
@@KNURKonesur for bikepacking if room or weight is an issue I just take a bivvy bag. I have an army goretex one and alpkit elan bivvy
Can you confirm total weight please
1.92kgs I had it at. Solid all year round tent. Can be warm in the summer though but I like to leave one door open fully in summer when no rain due
Want!
It will 100% be the tent I will be bring up to the dales for sure. I need a proper snowy camp this winter and we never get snow down here in Bournemouth 😫.
Luke would rip that tent to shreds.
He loves to rip anything apart 😂. It’s a great 3 season for sure, but Terra Nova call it 4 season which I don’t agree with
Clipping the door back is the most stupid idea I've seen for years..The door now hangs half way across the entrance , fills with wind, and you have to get out of the tent to open or close it.
I quite like the clip for ease to get out the way, but yes I do have to lean out slightly to reach the clip to zip back up. However if I’m going to bed I just unclip before I get in. I love the tent, but I guess we all have different tastes and requirements.
@henchy3rd I suppose we all like different bits about certain designs. This tent is as close to perfect for me as possible, but a few bits I would slightly change.
@@thebikepackingadventurer Thought I would give it a try, bought the Southern Cross 2, it does niggle me bit not as much as I thought it would. I'll probably get used to it. My Mrs thinks its a great idea. I did replace the toggles though they were too small, and my Mrs has given the inner a nip & tuck here and there due to inner sag.
@@Chris66able yeah I’ve seen other pioneers that were a bit saggy inside since I did this video. Mine is tight but I guess slight changes make a big difference. I like the clip for the door, but in winds I just close it up so not to damage it. The SC2 is solid
Looks like a Hilleberg copy
Lots of tents are very similar when looking at 3/4 season tents, but this has been out years. This is the higher end version of the Helm 2.
Do you have a hilleberg, which one do you think it’s a copy of?
In what way, its not stupidly over priced, hasn't got crappy zips, is properly ventilated, is not famous for bad condensation, has got good vestibules space, and decent headroom, the exact opposite of Hillebergs.
I know someone is going to be well jealous 🤣🤣🤣
Sending him pictures nightly until he buys it 😂
@@thebikepackingadventurer he will get one I’m sure 👍
Yes one day I am sure, although he has lots of tents already
@@thebikepackingadventurer he needs to sell his helm 1 😁
Fully support this 😂. To be honest I may even be selling mine if after a couple of camps in this pioneer 2 it works out well. The only thing I like a touch more about the helm1 is you can have the sides up off the ground a touch for airflow, but I think I can sort something similar for this