Awesome video, but worth mentioning that this technique doesn’t work properly in all scenarios. Also a flat overhand knot in the last example really shouldn’t be loaded below the Munter with a person’s weight underneath it, where the knot is being pulled apart against its major axis. The EDK is tested to roll and continue rolling at around 5-6kn (more force than your average rappel but not an ideal margin of error). In a knot block configuration it’s fine, but once it gets fully loaded under the Munter, you’re much better off with a bend instead of a knot (ie double fisherman’s or figure 8 bend). Not sure if those techniques would properly pull through the MOFT, would have to be tested….
We have done a fair amount of testing on the flat overhand. With it being well dressed and long tails, it mostly just breaks the rope. It could roll once or at most twice , but then will break. The flat overhand works best and most reliable here. The other can and do get caught. Also if note, if one was worried, after the knot is through the munter, you could just tie another flat overhand behind it and back it up. Thanks for the reply!
Be careful only giving partial information when teaching. If you attempt this with a small locker or a larger diameter rope, either of those variables will stop this technique working, possibly making a simple situation more difficult to escape.
Definitely! But I guess I would add that these videos are hopefully only supplementary to one’s learning and they should be seeking information from professionally certified and licensed guides.
Those close ups! 👌 Thanks for the tip!
And your welcome!
Great explanation and step by step breakdown of this technique🤙
Thx!
Harry, you’re a wizard!
lol😂🤣😂
Great Information!!
Thx!
Awesome!👍👍👍
Thx!
Nice Video! It would be interesting how this works with tuber
Thank you.
Excellent video. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
Any reason to use a overhand knot vs an Alpine butterfly knot? Would that still pass the munter in this situation?
The overhand has a flat side. So that attribute makes it best for this situation.
Even with a backup friction hitch, its not safe to take your brake hand off the brake strand, as you lose the redundancy that the backup hitch added.
But the definition of redundancy in the dictionary is: not needed. It’s extra.
This would probably be handy if my partner dropped her ATC off pitch 3 of The Nose.
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Awesome video, but worth mentioning that this technique doesn’t work properly in all scenarios. Also a flat overhand knot in the last example really shouldn’t be loaded below the Munter with a person’s weight underneath it, where the knot is being pulled apart against its major axis. The EDK is tested to roll and continue rolling at around 5-6kn (more force than your average rappel but not an ideal margin of error). In a knot block configuration it’s fine, but once it gets fully loaded under the Munter, you’re much better off with a bend instead of a knot (ie double fisherman’s or figure 8 bend). Not sure if those techniques would properly pull through the MOFT, would have to be tested….
We have done a fair amount of testing on the flat overhand. With it being well dressed and long tails, it mostly just breaks the rope. It could roll once or at most twice , but then will break.
The flat overhand works best and most reliable here. The other can and do get caught.
Also if note, if one was worried, after the knot is through the munter, you could just tie another flat overhand behind it and back it up.
Thanks for the reply!
Be careful only giving partial information when teaching. If you attempt this with a small locker or a larger diameter rope, either of those variables will stop this technique working, possibly making a simple situation more difficult to escape.
Definitely! But I guess I would add that these videos are hopefully only supplementary to one’s learning and they should be seeking information from professionally certified and licensed guides.