I'll never forget my first ever solo. A sheep suddenly walked across my aiming point. I did exactly as you suggested - brakes in, pick a new aiming point and land further down field. Nothing beats good training!
@@PureGlide In french we say "go to the cows" meaning outlanding in a field , but I never heard about sheeps on the landing strip . Sheep ? New-zeeland ?
@@jme104 Yes, sheep. We have many more sheep than people. However, with increasing numbers of cows, perhaps "aller aux vaches" will become more common here too.
Back in the day , when launching/landing towards a ridge ,our instructor would occasionally would tell us to abandon the landing and dive for the ridge , pretty much the same as a medium height cable break, you could then climb back in the ridge lift before making another landing attempt . That’s the closest I remember to going around in a glider 😃
GREAT VIDEO! YOU ARE A GREAT TEACHER...KEEP TEACHING ALL AREAS OF GLIDING...AND SMILE MORE...IT MAKES EVERYBODY WANT TO COME BACK AND VISIT YOU AGAIN! 😁
Actually, I have been at an airfield where they practice approaches with go-arounds in gliders... This airfield (Aéro-club Saint-Rémy de Provence) has a mountain ridge just downwind of the airfield. They make a bit higher than usual final, abort the final and fly back to the ridge, go up and try again. Very interesting thing to experience.
At the Long Mynd (Midlands Gliding Club) which is located on a ridge, part of my training was to practise finals glide in at 50 feet, then get to the ridge turn left gain height and go round again
As a potential new student, this information is invaluable. Knowing how far your glider can glide could be a lifesaver! I'm really enjoying learning via this channel.
I kinda accidentally did a baulked approach in a Discus the other day, the airspeed dropped below my proper approach speed (curlover from trees), so I closed the brakes, got the speed back, and reset for a proper approach. Very useful skill to have! Also, love the shots of the Ash, have flown in one a few times and they are absolutely magnificent aircraft that seemingly defy gravity
Very nice. In a glider ya just have to "go around" (over) the obstacle, not around the pattern. A good reason for airfields to keep the infields in good repair even for airplanes that have balked engines.
I'm planning to get back into gliding this summer, I've previously had a couple intro flights and lessons a few years ago, so I'm sure your channel is going to be super useful as a refresher and more!
You make a great a teacher, very well explained and easy to understand. This channel is good, even though I never ended up learning to fly a glider solo, but ended up learning paragliding, I still find them fascinating.
@@PureGlide Thank you for providing such good quality content, I and I'm sure many others also, really appreciate it. Better than the junk on tv channels by far.
Hi. Let me report a case where an actual go around happened with a glider . And it was twice! The pilot only landed on the 3rd attempt. The pilot was flying a Lak12. This glider is a 20 meter wingspan and the air brakes are not very effective. While in the final approach to land, he hit a strong thermal and even with the airbrakes full out couldn't descend and he decided to make a go around climbing a bit in the thermal and make a second circuit. On the second attempt the same thing happened, so he did another go around. On the third attempt he came lower and he finally managed to land. So, in a very, very particular situation, a go around is in fact possible. But I don't recommend anyone to count on that!
Ha yes the 'ol Lak 12. We had one in our club. Great value for money! As long as you didn't want any friends, cos at some stage you'll have to rig it :) Funny you should mention the 3 passes, I didn't show the rest of the Ash video. They have a habit of doing that too... certainly only something you want to do for fun, not necessity
@@PureGlide A LAK 12 wing weighs about the same as the inner panel of an ASW17 - you can single handle rig it with the right aids...it's usually when you have too many cooks spoiling the broth that they become difficult to rig...the airbrakes are better that quite a few gliders i.e. Libelle 301, Fleabus, and you can mod them to become more effective I think.
@@soaruk3697 I always liked the LAK-12, it has great distance performance yet thermals like a wooden plane when flown without balast. The thing with the air brakes on the LAK is that they are very far backwardson the wings (like 60% back from the leading edge). The result of that is that approach speed is very important. I generally just used full air brakes, full flaps, and then determine where you land by varying the speed (+/- 2kts). I completely agree with your comment about the rigging, we had good rigging aids which allowed single person rigging (two is a bit more convenient though).
And on a touchdown with too much energy, like the example at the beginning of the video, we teach pilots to close the spoilers, level off, and re-establish their landing. In spite of that, I do occasionally see them not do it. PIO's ensue. But really, on a normal landing, there are no real go-arounds ... but if you do it right, there are options. Thanks for demonstrating that.
I was recently B Cert solo flying at Matamata in my clubs' PW5. I had setup a nice right hand circuit and was turning onto final when another glider, low and desperate, turned from base to final close in front and below me. They made the call for final. I acknowledged, I'd now be number 2, put my brakes away, watched them land below me then recommenced my steeper approach. Only disadvantage was I had to push the glider back a bit further after landing. The DI gave me a good pat on the back for that one.
@@PureGlide , in my experience, B Cert and thereabouts pilots are among the safer pilots on the airfield. They're current, their training is still fresh, and they don't have that unwarranted cockiness that a 50 hour pilot has.
Not exactly a go around but I used to own a Slingsby Kestrel 19, it had a tail parachute which was not the most reliable in deploying. The airbrakes, well they made a nice noise. I would start my approach high, around 600ft and pull the parachute. It the parachute deployed, no problem, it was like catching your braces on the boundary fence. On the one occasion it did not deploy I had to rely on the reason I started the approach so high. I had the height to do a 360, with the lovely airbrake noise, and still make the airfield :-)
A 'go around' is something I have only done once in a glider and I have no desire to repeat the excercise. As a newish Silver C pilot I bought a Std Austria as my first glider. It was an interesting beast and certainly had its challenges but on a half decent day would 'go' surprisingly well. Having been trained on a hilltop site my foremost priority was always to avoid getting too far downwind on approach but the Austria was no Ka 8, having much better penetration into wind and far weaker airbrakes. My first trip to a wave site in Wales ( the small one for those who know the area) was therefore, quite an experience! After a pleasant hour or two at 8000-9000' then suffering the turbulence on descent and establishing a circuit, I duly set up my final turn at about 1000', as briefed that morning. The issue was that none of the locals had ever flown an Austria and I had never flown on site before so none of us realised how inappropriate the 'briefed' approach was. I think also, that the wave had shifted a bit and was providing lift on approach rather than just rotor so I found that even full airbrake settings had little or no effect on descent rate. I duly tried a full side-slip but the slippery shape and 'V' tail did not result in high enough drag to make much difference either, so I found myself with a decision to make! Behind me was a valley with about 600 - 700 feet of ground clearance and reasonable fields' whilst ahead of me was steeply rising ground and small fields culminating in a spine a similar height above the airfield. A right turn was not a favoured option and a left turn over a deep gulley provided lots of turbulence and a huge 'clutching hand' effect. Nevertheless, it was the better route to get to the valley behind and became my chosen maneouvre, preceeded by a swift radio call to the K13 (with CFI aboard) which I knew was in circuit behind me. Upon completing a 180 degree turn I found that I had still lost very little height and the K13 had moved well away from the approach line thus enabling me to extend my downwind leg and have another go. To say I was concerned would be accurate (the abject terror came after landing) but I did manage to excecute a safe, but still long, uphill landing into the smallest airfield I have ever had the pleasure of using: pilot & glider re-usable. My next glider was a 19m Jantar 1 which had its own, quite different set of challenges at this site. Some say that if looking for a land-out field in South Wales there are many better options than this particular club and I am sure that is correct, but it is 'character building' and has become one of my favourite UK sites over the many years I have now been visiting. Happy Days! :-)
Ah the joys of flying at Talgarth - can't beat a glider with a good set of airbrakes and robust undercarriage flying from there. Can remember a certain ex tug pilot, now noted aviation journalist, getting 3 of us on the deck in the mud by flying the Pawnee a few feet over us - still remains a mystery to me how he got 3 guys running 3 different ways into the dirt, but I was too busy flinging myself at the ground to notice.......
Hi Tim, thanks for your very nice, instructive and educational videos (and that kiwi/British humorous twist) . I really love your work which is so important for our glider-community. It is a pity that your are so far away on the other site of the globe. But I will come over, one day, it will happen :-)! Winter-greetings from Sweden! //Michael
gotta love that 25 lowpass ;) beautiful ship, have spent a few hours in it and it's like nothing else! infinite glidepath to the point where full airbrakes barely get you any sink, and it's actually surprisingly manoeuvrable for its size (if you fly it right, not like me) ;)
I have twice done a go -around from a properly held off landing, from the ground roll, where we could have stopped; it did involve having a ridge at the end of the landing strip to fall off though!! Airbrakes away, trundle offthe edge of the hill and down the slope a little, and back into the ridge lift!! That was at Dunstable - airfield at the bottom of the 300ft ridge but a short strip (usually covered in walkers etc) at the top of the hill, from the old days of bungee launching from up there. Also, a few go-arounds from the approach at the Mynd, where the club is based at the top of the 800ft high ridge - a high approach is necessary when the ridge is working, as its into lots of sink; but if a bit too high, no worries, go back into the ridge lift, climb and have another go!
This are endless opportunities compared to the options a paraglider has. In calm conditions your brakes varies the glide ration between 1:4 and 1:7. So we can't change the aiming point that much. You can try to steer but hence we have no rudder this always result in significant bank... and if you are not a good pilot this also result in a pendulum motion and or some pitch. So please if you are at a landing place for paragliders don't run across the field 🙂. We sometimes have hard enough time, when several gliders aproach the field at the same time and one of the pilots don't know the rules.
There was a Space Shuttle simulator at Te Papa (NZ National Museum) a few years ago that would let you control the Shuttle for a landing. When I had a turn with it I nearly fell on the floor laughing when ATC said that I was on final approach and cleared for touch and go.
Great video with very nice footages and clearly educational, and fun, with obviously the solution offered for most of us: close your brakes, etc.. Now suppose you are sitting in a fes glider (front electric sustainer/self launcher) and on final at a short field, when suddenly a deer decides to cross.... Assuming there is juice left in the battery, one could turn on the the fes after having closed the brakes and make a real go-around.... I have no experience with fes, would appreciate your opinion.
Yeah I didn't go into FES, that'll be it's own video at some point. But yes that's about the only type of glider engine that could potentially be used on final approach, because of the instant start. However you wouldn't be going into an outlanding field if you still had battery left! And if you're at your home airfield, you probably want to simply land up the field anyway.
@@PureGlide The “FES” on my RC- glider has saved the day, many times. If you get blown over the ridge into lee-side-turbulence, no problem, just slam on the engine and climb (almost vertical) out of trouble… 😀👍
There was a piece in the UK's SAilplane & Gliding last issue but one I think. It was written in the aftermath of a serious (maybe fatal) crash with a two seater self sustainer ( *not* a FES BUT) So what the accident investigators concluded was the crew hit a load of sink, got too low far faaster than expected and instead of concentration on an outfield landing fixated on trying to start a sustainer motor that didn't want to participate. Then some trees walked out in front of them and 'goodnight Vienna'. But here's the thing: Even with a FES either you see the deer, sheep, lunatic in a car etc well in advance and could start just about anything *OR* It lurks in cover until the very last moment and your taskload is enormous. My suspicion is you *could* do it ........ But unless its a very well practiced routine could easily go tits up.
There was a piece in the UK's Sailplane & Gliding last issue but one I think. It was written in the aftermath of a serious (maybe fatal) crash with a two seater self sustainer ( not a FES BUT) ........ So, what the accident investigators concluded was the crew hit a load of sink, got too low far faster than expected and instead of concentration on an outfield landing fixated on trying to start a sustainer motor that didn't want to participate. Then some trees walked out in front of them and 'goodnight Vienna'. *But here's the thing* : Even with a FES either you see the deer, sheep, lunatic in a car etc well in advance and could start just about anything OR It lurks in cover until the very last moment and your taskload spike is *enormous*. My suspicion is you *could* do it ........ But unless its a very well practiced routine could easily go tits up. In short, IF its 'drilled in' to your mind as part of your Threat & Error Management - You maybe could make it work just like a powered plane would open the throttle. *Provided* your FES would develop power fast enough?
A “go around” would be predicated on the assumption that you intended to land in the first place. A high energy pass isn’t the same thing. I’ve never flown with a sustainer but I assume that they take time to deploy and some even require an air-start. Great video 👍
you can do 'go arounds' at certain hill sites..... ie. touch down, put the brakes away then fly back into the hill lift and climb to do it again :-)........
@@mellissus Quite possibly - you can do it without touching down though - but less fun, but then 'a go around' is actually an aborted landing , climb back to circuit height and then a second landing I suppose.........
lol in the UK that called a beat up though we generally only do it on the down wind starting 1000ft up to VNE over 100kt covering the airbrake down to 30ft off the deck climb hold it to abeam the launch point climb out for 400ft to 300ft turn finals and land bloody love that manoeuvre.
Excellent video. 2 kms is a good distance to glide. If worse comes to worse, you could find another paddock. Could you even do a 180 and land downwind?
I wouldn't recommend doing any turns at 200 feet, but if you're a bit higher maybe. But you should have your field picked out and the wind direction correct by then anyway if it's all going to plan! Often worth having a backup field past the one you're aiming at, just incase you discover a ditch or fence on final approach...
It comes down to several variables if you can do / have to do a kind of go around in a glider. I would not do so if there are areas on the airfield where to land safely, but this depends on length, width and layout of the airfield. If wide enough, you can go left, right or even about 45 degrees off your original landing spot. My home airfield is very narrow, (no meadows behind or aside) only 2 gliders could safely land beside each other (if both are landing to the left and right side, blocking take off as well), though long enough to have options to land in front or behind. As the area beside the landing strip „taxi area“ is quite narrow and bumpy, motorized gliders and planes sometimes use part of the landing strip for taxiing. One day I had to do a kind of „go around“, more like an aborted landing. As the thermals got weak, several gliders were in for landing in a short time. 2 were blocking the landing area right at the near end, one further down. So I came in a bit higher than usual, to land long. No problem. But just then a motorglider taxied where I intended to land (I was at final). In went the airbrakes and as I have had a slight lift on downwind, I made a short go around. No problem if you keep as many options as you can. Great video, very good explanation. Well done, 👍
@@PureGlide It's a site on the top of a ridge, so you can (sort of) go round, but I remember one guy who didn't quite make it and compressed his spine.
Who trained the PIO'ing K21 pilot? Honestly the funniest thing I had seen in a long time. Assumed it was a training video set up until the end. Going around after a comp finish might look good but can encourage those that may not have the energy to do likewise. Always land ahead, much easier, even from >120 knots. Ideally you would not finish with that much extra energy. My 5p's worth.
New aviation term: Instead of go-around a better maneuver in a glider is to do a go-on-down, as in go on down field Go-on-down is copyrighted by SpaceFrawg Universal Conglomerate, the inventor I of other catchy phrases such as bubble butt and sup. All licensing fees and restrictions apply except on Saturdays between 16:20 and 16:23 GMT.
Just shows how many people trawl the tube bored and think they have a solution to a badly executed landing. This manoeuvre of a high speed bypass is not a go around because when critical energy is bled off it's a normal landing with no chance of a go around.
Curious, in your practice landing let's say it was not a long runway and the obstacle was in exactly the wrong place. At the point you put the brakes away would you have had altitude enough to nose down, get some more airspeed and either go to the other runway or try again with a different plan.
Well the space shuttle orbiter, a glider with the finesse (glide ratio) of a brick = 4.7, couldn't go around and had to land immediately (Pilots learned gliding in Grumman Shuttle Training Aircraft). #NASA
I'd say at our runway, which is quite long, yes you could pull up, slow down, get the air brakes out and land. But you'll use quite a lot of space to do it!
depends on the pilot's skill-- yes, if well-trained and skilled. Glider pilots can possess some absolutely awesome aerobatic skills. think Sonka probably extremely skilled in his glider albeit he's much more known for his Extra 300. and of course Milos Ramert ruclips.net/video/eAWXrwJydv0/видео.html
A gazelle is a "a small slender antelope that typically has curved horns and a yellowish-brown coat with white underparts, found in open country in Africa and Asia."
if i land on a 1km runway and i need 100m, i can frigging go 800m later. but if i learnt all your stuff my head would explode. i was 16 and did all this by heart at first time. what should happen with all the knowledge? it hidners thinking and common sense. but i must admit, people nowadays have less common sense, so they need all that.
Of course gliders can't go around. That's why glider traffic takes priority over powered traffic. That first clip of the aircraft bouncing is PIO, pilot induced oscillation. That means he came in too fast. If you touch down at full stall, you shouldn't even have the speed for the aircraft to get airborne again. He clearly touched down with flying speed.
GA-ZEEL, wot sort of animal is u talking about cuz?? : ( Just say DEER or that some five or sex sheeps are on the field, as we chuckle & say "Oh dear" about your use of that EnZed English language bro!
I'll never forget my first ever solo. A sheep suddenly walked across my aiming point. I did exactly as you suggested - brakes in, pick a new aiming point and land further down field. Nothing beats good training!
Nice work! Sounds like you handled it perfectly
@@PureGlide In french we say "go to the cows" meaning outlanding in a field , but I never heard about sheeps on the landing strip . Sheep ? New-zeeland ?
Nothing beats good training ....... BUT
*After* that
Roast lamb, or grilled cutlets, is a close second?
@@jme104 Yes, sheep. We have many more sheep than people. However, with increasing numbers of cows, perhaps "aller aux vaches" will become more common here too.
Where do you fly where you land in a field with sheep?
Love the callout to Stefan Drury with milkshake there.
Subtle eh :)
Would have thought milkshake with all his flying experience would know better. Maybe a bit distracted
Back in the day , when launching/landing towards a ridge ,our instructor would occasionally would tell us to abandon the landing and dive for the ridge , pretty much the same as a medium height cable break, you could then climb back in the ridge lift before making another landing attempt . That’s the closest I remember to going around in a glider 😃
GREAT VIDEO! YOU ARE A GREAT TEACHER...KEEP TEACHING ALL AREAS OF GLIDING...AND SMILE MORE...IT MAKES EVERYBODY WANT TO COME BACK AND VISIT YOU AGAIN! 😁
Thank you, I will!
Actually, I have been at an airfield where they practice approaches with go-arounds in gliders... This airfield (Aéro-club Saint-Rémy de Provence) has a mountain ridge just downwind of the airfield. They make a bit higher than usual final, abort the final and fly back to the ridge, go up and try again. Very interesting thing to experience.
At the Long Mynd (Midlands Gliding Club) which is located on a ridge, part of my training was to practise finals glide in at 50 feet, then get to the ridge turn left gain height and go round again
The intro killed it. Also the kiwi reference was sterling. Some great lessons to learn there, Tim. Thanks.
Thanks! Glad you liked it :)
As a potential new student, this information is invaluable. Knowing how far your glider can glide could be a lifesaver!
I'm really enjoying learning via this channel.
I kinda accidentally did a baulked approach in a Discus the other day, the airspeed dropped below my proper approach speed (curlover from trees), so I closed the brakes, got the speed back, and reset for a proper approach. Very useful skill to have! Also, love the shots of the Ash, have flown in one a few times and they are absolutely magnificent aircraft that seemingly defy gravity
What an excellent production Tim, entertaining and educational.
Thanks Colin! Glad you liked it :)
my favourite gliding channel.
Thanks mine too!!
Very nice. In a glider ya just have to "go around" (over) the obstacle, not around the pattern. A good reason for airfields to keep the infields in good repair even for airplanes that have balked engines.
Yes good point :)
You are in a cheerful mood today, Tim!
Thanks for putting a smile on my dial. 😁
Excellent :) Funny I recorded last night and was quite tired. Delirious one might say...
I'm planning to get back into gliding this summer, I've previously had a couple intro flights and lessons a few years ago, so I'm sure your channel is going to be super useful as a refresher and more!
You make a great a teacher, very well explained and easy to understand. This channel is good, even though I never ended up learning to fly a glider solo, but ended up learning paragliding, I still find them fascinating.
Thank you, glad you’re enjoying it
@@PureGlide Thank you for providing such good quality content, I and I'm sure many others also, really appreciate it. Better than the junk on tv channels by far.
I love the unexcited but far from boring way of presenting!
Excellent, I was tired when I filmed this so glad it turned out OK!
Such a great example of Pure Glide videos. Short, spectacular, funny, hence entertaining!
Thanks!
Hi.
Let me report a case where an actual go around happened with a glider . And it was twice! The pilot only landed on the 3rd attempt.
The pilot was flying a Lak12. This glider is a 20 meter wingspan and the air brakes are not very effective. While in the final approach to land, he hit a strong thermal and even with the airbrakes full out couldn't descend and he decided to make a go around climbing a bit in the thermal and make a second circuit. On the second attempt the same thing happened, so he did another go around. On the third attempt he came lower and he finally managed to land.
So, in a very, very particular situation, a go around is in fact possible. But I don't recommend anyone to count on that!
Ha yes the 'ol Lak 12. We had one in our club. Great value for money! As long as you didn't want any friends, cos at some stage you'll have to rig it :)
Funny you should mention the 3 passes, I didn't show the rest of the Ash video. They have a habit of doing that too... certainly only something you want to do for fun, not necessity
@@PureGlide A LAK 12 wing weighs about the same as the inner panel of an ASW17 - you can single handle rig it with the right aids...it's usually when you have too many cooks spoiling the broth that they become difficult to rig...the airbrakes are better that quite a few gliders i.e. Libelle 301, Fleabus, and you can mod them to become more effective I think.
@@soaruk3697 I always liked the LAK-12, it has great distance performance yet thermals like a wooden plane when flown without balast. The thing with the air brakes on the LAK is that they are very far backwardson the wings (like 60% back from the leading edge). The result of that is that approach speed is very important. I generally just used full air brakes, full flaps, and then determine where you land by varying the speed (+/- 2kts). I completely agree with your comment about the rigging, we had good rigging aids which allowed single person rigging (two is a bit more convenient though).
Thanks for another fun video Tim. Best I get some PureGlide merchandise for my next cameo/photobomb appearance. :)
And on a touchdown with too much energy, like the example at the beginning of the video, we teach pilots to close the spoilers, level off, and re-establish their landing. In spite of that, I do occasionally see them not do it. PIO's ensue. But really, on a normal landing, there are no real go-arounds ... but if you do it right, there are options. Thanks for demonstrating that.
I was recently B Cert solo flying at Matamata in my clubs' PW5. I had setup a nice right hand circuit and was turning onto final when another glider, low and desperate, turned from base to final close in front and below me. They made the call for final. I acknowledged, I'd now be number 2, put my brakes away, watched them land below me then recommenced my steeper approach. Only disadvantage was I had to push the glider back a bit further after landing. The DI gave me a good pat on the back for that one.
Excellent, our training has proved you well :)
@@PureGlide , in my experience, B Cert and thereabouts pilots are among the safer pilots on the airfield. They're current, their training is still fresh, and they don't have that unwarranted cockiness that a 50 hour pilot has.
Great video!! Very didactical. Thanks for it Tim
Thanks!
Not exactly a go around but I used to own a Slingsby Kestrel 19, it had a tail parachute which was not the most reliable in deploying. The airbrakes, well they made a nice noise. I would start my approach high, around 600ft and pull the parachute. It the parachute deployed, no problem, it was like catching your braces on the boundary fence. On the one occasion it did not deploy I had to rely on the reason I started the approach so high. I had the height to do a 360, with the lovely airbrake noise, and still make the airfield :-)
Your location is blessed with such visually stunning scenery !
We sure are! Thanks for watching :)
A 'go around' is something I have only done once in a glider and I have no desire to repeat the excercise. As a newish Silver C pilot I bought a Std Austria as my first glider. It was an interesting beast and certainly had its challenges but on a half decent day would 'go' surprisingly well. Having been trained on a hilltop site my foremost priority was always to avoid getting too far downwind on approach but the Austria was no Ka 8, having much better penetration into wind and far weaker airbrakes. My first trip to a wave site in Wales ( the small one for those who know the area) was therefore, quite an experience!
After a pleasant hour or two at 8000-9000' then suffering the turbulence on descent and establishing a circuit, I duly set up my final turn at about 1000', as briefed that morning. The issue was that none of the locals had ever flown an Austria and I had never flown on site before so none of us realised how inappropriate the 'briefed' approach was. I think also, that the wave had shifted a bit and was providing lift on approach rather than just rotor so I found that even full airbrake settings had little or no effect on descent rate. I duly tried a full side-slip but the slippery shape and 'V' tail did not result in high enough drag to make much difference either, so I found myself with a decision to make! Behind me was a valley with about 600 - 700 feet of ground clearance and reasonable fields' whilst ahead of me was steeply rising ground and small fields culminating in a spine a similar height above the airfield. A right turn was not a favoured option and a left turn over a deep gulley provided lots of turbulence and a huge 'clutching hand' effect. Nevertheless, it was the better route to get to the valley behind and became my chosen maneouvre, preceeded by a swift radio call to the K13 (with CFI aboard) which I knew was in circuit behind me.
Upon completing a 180 degree turn I found that I had still lost very little height and the K13 had moved well away from the approach line thus enabling me to extend my downwind leg and have another go. To say I was concerned would be accurate (the abject terror came after landing) but I did manage to excecute a safe, but still long, uphill landing into the smallest airfield I have ever had the pleasure of using: pilot & glider re-usable. My next glider was a 19m Jantar 1 which had its own, quite different set of challenges at this site. Some say that if looking for a land-out field in South Wales there are many better options than this particular club and I am sure that is correct, but it is 'character building' and has become one of my favourite UK sites over the many years I have now been visiting. Happy Days! :-)
Ah the joys of flying at Talgarth - can't beat a glider with a good set of airbrakes and robust undercarriage flying from there. Can remember a certain ex tug pilot, now noted aviation journalist, getting 3 of us on the deck in the mud by flying the Pawnee a few feet over us - still remains a mystery to me how he got 3 guys running 3 different ways into the dirt, but I was too busy flinging myself at the ground to notice.......
@@soaruk3697 Too right! My ASW28 was nice there though a '20' may have been better still.
Hi Tim, thanks for your very nice, instructive and educational videos (and that kiwi/British humorous twist) . I really love your work which is so important for our glider-community. It is a pity that your are so far away on the other site of the globe. But I will come over, one day, it will happen :-)!
Winter-greetings from Sweden! //Michael
Many thanks Michael. Glad you like the videos, and yes hope you can make it one day!
gotta love that 25 lowpass ;) beautiful ship, have spent a few hours in it and it's like nothing else! infinite glidepath to the point where full airbrakes barely get you any sink, and it's actually surprisingly manoeuvrable for its size (if you fly it right, not like me) ;)
Indeed it is!
Need to fly the 27m plus Binder version :-)
Nice Video, Love it !
Thanks!
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A Gazeal?
That’s a new one to me.
Here you go! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazelle
I have twice done a go -around from a properly held off landing, from the ground roll, where we could have stopped; it did involve having a ridge at the end of the landing strip to fall off though!! Airbrakes away, trundle offthe edge of the hill and down the slope a little, and back into the ridge lift!! That was at Dunstable - airfield at the bottom of the 300ft ridge but a short strip (usually covered in walkers etc) at the top of the hill, from the old days of bungee launching from up there. Also, a few go-arounds from the approach at the Mynd, where the club is based at the top of the 800ft high ridge - a high approach is necessary when the ridge is working, as its into lots of sink; but if a bit too high, no worries, go back into the ridge lift, climb and have another go!
True if your landing site has a handy ridge at the end then sounds like fun!
At least you don’t have to watch out for Moas these days!
Or the Haast's eagle. Imagine having an eagle around that would easily take babies!
This are endless opportunities compared to the options a paraglider has. In calm conditions your brakes varies the glide ration between 1:4 and 1:7. So we can't change the aiming point that much. You can try to steer but hence we have no rudder this always result in significant bank... and if you are not a good pilot this also result in a pendulum motion and or some pitch. So please if you are at a landing place for paragliders don't run across the field 🙂. We sometimes have hard enough time, when several gliders aproach the field at the same time and one of the pilots don't know the rules.
Thanks for sharing :)
Beautiful video!
Thanks!
Nice intro and totally got the Milkshake reference, I wonder how many others will... Steph D maybe
Thanks! I'm sure a few will :)
There was a Space Shuttle simulator at Te Papa (NZ National Museum) a few years ago that would let you control the Shuttle for a landing. When I had a turn with it I nearly fell on the floor laughing when ATC said that I was on final approach and cleared for touch and go.
lol shuttles aren't renown for their touch and goes!
Great video with very nice footages and clearly educational, and fun, with obviously the solution offered for most of us: close your brakes, etc.. Now suppose you are sitting in a fes glider (front electric sustainer/self launcher) and on final at a short field, when suddenly a deer decides to cross.... Assuming there is juice left in the battery, one could turn on the the fes after having closed the brakes and make a real go-around.... I have no experience with fes, would appreciate your opinion.
Yeah I didn't go into FES, that'll be it's own video at some point. But yes that's about the only type of glider engine that could potentially be used on final approach, because of the instant start. However you wouldn't be going into an outlanding field if you still had battery left! And if you're at your home airfield, you probably want to simply land up the field anyway.
Or fire up the FES and dice up the deer for steaks for dinner.
@@PureGlide The “FES” on my RC- glider has saved the day, many times.
If you get blown over the ridge into lee-side-turbulence, no problem, just slam on the engine and climb (almost vertical) out of trouble… 😀👍
There was a piece in the UK's SAilplane & Gliding last issue but one I think. It was written in the aftermath of a serious (maybe fatal) crash with a two seater self sustainer ( *not* a FES BUT) So what the accident investigators concluded was the crew hit a load of sink, got too low far faaster than expected and instead of concentration on an outfield landing fixated on trying to start a sustainer motor that didn't want to participate. Then some trees walked out in front of them and 'goodnight Vienna'.
But here's the thing:
Even with a FES either you see the deer, sheep, lunatic in a car etc well in advance and could start just about anything *OR*
It lurks in cover until the very last moment and your taskload is enormous.
My suspicion is you *could* do it ........ But unless its a very well practiced routine could easily go tits up.
There was a piece in the UK's Sailplane & Gliding last issue but one I think. It was written in the aftermath of a serious (maybe fatal) crash with a two seater self sustainer ( not a FES BUT) ........
So, what the accident investigators concluded was the crew hit a load of sink, got too low far faster than expected and instead of concentration on an outfield landing fixated on trying to start a sustainer motor that didn't want to participate. Then some trees walked out in front of them and 'goodnight Vienna'.
*But here's the thing* :
Even with a FES either you see the deer, sheep, lunatic in a car etc well in advance and could start just about anything OR It lurks in cover until the very last moment and your taskload spike is *enormous*.
My suspicion is you *could* do it ........ But unless its a very well practiced routine could easily go tits up.
In short, IF its 'drilled in' to your mind as part of your Threat & Error Management - You maybe could make it work just like a powered plane would open the throttle.
*Provided* your FES would develop power fast enough?
Thanks for sharing ! Question: the landing at the end...yes, I watched completely :-) of the video...where is it ?! Super nice scenery.
Hi that's an outlanding field in the mountains near Springfield (Castle Hill)
A “go around” would be predicated on the assumption that you intended to land in the first place. A high energy pass isn’t the same thing. I’ve never flown with a sustainer but I assume that they take time to deploy and some even require an air-start. Great video 👍
Yeah exactly right. Cheers!
0:06 omg my comment is featured XD ty
Well thanks for the excellent comment!
you can do 'go arounds' at certain hill sites..... ie. touch down, put the brakes away then fly back into the hill lift and climb to do it again :-)........
That would be fun!
The Long Mynd comes to mind.
is that not more a touch and go?
@@mellissus Quite possibly - you can do it without touching down though - but less fun, but then 'a go around' is actually an aborted landing , climb back to circuit height and then a second landing I suppose.........
@@soaruk3697 you just make it sound even more fun to do (:
It's time to invent the glider ejector seat for just such an occasion
Haha or just land nicely?!
lol in the UK that called a beat up though we generally only do it on the down wind starting 1000ft up to VNE over 100kt covering the airbrake down to 30ft off the deck climb hold it to abeam the launch point climb out for 400ft to 300ft turn finals and land bloody love that manoeuvre.
Excellent video. 2 kms is a good distance to glide. If worse comes to worse, you could find another paddock. Could you even do a 180 and land downwind?
I wouldn't recommend doing any turns at 200 feet, but if you're a bit higher maybe. But you should have your field picked out and the wind direction correct by then anyway if it's all going to plan! Often worth having a backup field past the one you're aiming at, just incase you discover a ditch or fence on final approach...
@@PureGlide Minimum height for a return to base from aborted tow is 200ft - often practiced in the US...... :-) ......
It comes down to several variables if you can do / have to do a kind of go around in a glider. I would not do so if there are areas on the airfield where to land safely, but this depends on length, width and layout of the airfield. If wide enough, you can go left, right or even about 45 degrees off your original landing spot. My home airfield is very narrow, (no meadows behind or aside) only 2 gliders could safely land beside each other (if both are landing to the left and right side, blocking take off as well), though long enough to have options to land in front or behind. As the area beside the landing strip „taxi area“ is quite narrow and bumpy, motorized gliders and planes sometimes use part of the landing strip for taxiing. One day I had to do a kind of „go around“, more like an aborted landing. As the thermals got weak, several gliders were in for landing in a short time. 2 were blocking the landing area right at the near end, one further down. So I came in a bit higher than usual, to land long. No problem. But just then a motorglider taxied where I intended to land (I was at final). In went the airbrakes and as I have had a slight lift on downwind, I made a short go around. No problem if you keep as many options as you can. Great video, very good explanation. Well done, 👍
Thanks!
Maybe not go round, but I have seen people 'go for the edge' at Derbyshire and Lancashire GC ... with varying degrees of success.
What is that exactly?
@@PureGlide It's a site on the top of a ridge, so you can (sort of) go round, but I remember one guy who didn't quite make it and compressed his spine.
thx
Go around! What? In 1967 I went solo in a Scheicher K4. A 1,500 ft winch launch was just about enough for a circuit on day with no wind! Haha!
lol
Who trained the PIO'ing K21 pilot? Honestly the funniest thing I had seen in a long time. Assumed it was a training video set up until the end. Going around after a comp finish might look good but can encourage those that may not have the energy to do likewise. Always land ahead, much easier, even from >120 knots. Ideally you would not finish with that much extra energy. My 5p's worth.
Go-around before you land that way you could see the Airfield in some cases
Exactly, it’s a great idea to inspect before landing!
In stressful situations, one does not “rise to the occasion” but one falls back to the level of ones training.
Indeed!
Thanks for the vids. Very informative. Peace
Thanks for watching :)
I don't know about cars or gazelles, but I have had an instructor walk out in front of me while landing...
Yeah can’t trust those instructors especially if there is a herd of them
Kreikey! A gizeel?! 😳🤣
That ASH footage is just.... Is just great. That a 25 or a 22?
Thanks mate! Taken with the iPhone too... Ash 25 I believe
25 has two seats...like TF..... 22 is a single seater........and an ASW, the prototype ASH25 was called AS 22-2..........
You can actually do a go around in a glider at a site called the long mynd in Englandshire (but pretty much Wales)
Oh how come only there?
and a few other hillsites in the UK.........
New aviation term:
Instead of go-around a better maneuver in a glider is to do a go-on-down, as in go on down field
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So... gliders don't go around, but they jump around )))
High speed final approaches are banned at most competitions now.
Yeah in some places, but we still need to practice just in case
Can a glider Go Around? Yes, if it's equipped with a FES electrical propulsion system 😉 (love my FES 😃)
:)
or indeed any engine not just FES - but then is it a glider?
In short yes but only once! And you better be god.speed is the saving grace.
Only once you say! ruclips.net/video/ZEzqKqH1bdY/видео.html
You can always _turn_ around though. Mixed results...
Indeed!
Just shows how many people trawl the tube bored and think they have a solution to a badly executed landing. This manoeuvre of a high speed bypass is not a go around because when critical energy is bled off it's a normal landing with no chance of a go around.
Very true, I think I made that clear enough in the video
You can in a powered glider like the vigilant.
Indeed!
Curious, in your practice landing let's say it was not a long runway and the obstacle was in exactly the wrong place. At the point you put the brakes away would you have had altitude enough to nose down, get some more airspeed and either go to the other runway or try again with a different plan.
0:53 is that the boyd air strip?
Well the space shuttle orbiter, a glider with the finesse (glide ratio) of a brick = 4.7, couldn't go around and had to land immediately (Pilots learned gliding in Grumman Shuttle Training Aircraft).
#NASA
So it’s more a “deferred landing” than a “go around”
Pretty much!
yes if its a high enough performance glider
Yip :)
Is a contest finish technically a go-around? Could you at high speed over the threshold pop the gear down, slow down and land?
I'd say at our runway, which is quite long, yes you could pull up, slow down, get the air brakes out and land. But you'll use quite a lot of space to do it!
What's a Gazeal? I know what a Gazelle is but not a Gazeal, are they related?
;)
New Zealand lamb …. Yummy
It sure is!
depends on the pilot's skill-- yes, if well-trained and skilled. Glider pilots can possess some absolutely awesome aerobatic skills. think Sonka probably extremely skilled in his glider albeit he's much more known for his Extra 300. and of course Milos Ramert ruclips.net/video/eAWXrwJydv0/видео.html
A gizzeel??? What is that??
A gazelle is a "a small slender antelope that typically has curved horns and a yellowish-brown coat with white underparts, found in open country in Africa and Asia."
Thank you Rechnerfuchs for your excellent answer
Also a Gazelle is a popular bicycle used in The Netherlands. :-)
@@ravingcyclist624 Its a fast military helicopter in the UK........ (and France and other parts of the world)....:-)
When he says ind does he mean end? 😆
Dunno, I'll ask him!
if i land on a 1km runway and i need 100m, i can frigging go 800m later. but if i learnt all your stuff my head would explode. i was 16 and did all this by heart at first time. what should happen with all the knowledge? it hidners thinking and common sense. but i must admit, people nowadays have less common sense, so they need all that.
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if you have enough speed to go around, it probably means you're coming in too fast for landing...
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real men, dont anounce an low pass, they say go around or runway inspection
Of course gliders can't go around. That's why glider traffic takes priority over powered traffic. That first clip of the aircraft bouncing is PIO, pilot induced oscillation. That means he came in too fast. If you touch down at full stall, you shouldn't even have the speed for the aircraft to get airborne again. He clearly touched down with flying speed.
Mate!! Plane??? We're not doing woodwork here. A Powered Aircraft or Aeroplane- not "Plane"
haha you know plane is short for aeroplane eh?! You're lucky I didn't call them an 'air dinghy'
@@PureGlide Well- I fly both so have divided loyalties!!
GA-ZEEL, wot sort of animal is u talking about cuz?? : (
Just say DEER or that some five or sex sheeps are on the field, as we chuckle & say "Oh dear" about your use of that EnZed English language bro!
lol yeah :)
Yes, my idiotic comment made in the intro. Internet fame, here I come.
Thanks for making a nice short one, exactly what I needed :)
Gazeel???
The class Kiwi Gazeel :)