Thanks so much for this. This is the only footage of Chen Yuxia I've seen so far (and I like it very much). From things I glean here and there I am starting to believe Chen Yuxia played a bigger role in the transmission than generally recognized. I practice Chen Style, the Hong Junsheng variant and I understand Chen Yuxia and Hong Junsheng maintained a close, good relationship (and I see many common things...)
My teacher says that when the students of Hong Junsheng wanted to learn the sword routine, he sent them to learn it from her. An interesting side note is, Chen Village isn't teaching the 49 move sword routine anymore, and is now teaching a 54 move sword routine that is very similar to the routine in Practical Method,.
Late "indoor" disciples of Chen Fa Ke who followed him to the end (except family members): Feng Zhiqiang(冯志强), Li Zhongyin(李忠阴), Xiao Qinglin(肖庆林), Tian Xiuchen(田秀臣), Tian Jianhua(田剑华), Lei Muni(雷慕尼), Hong Junsheng(洪均生), Li Jingwu(李经梧). Hope I didn't forget someone. Today (June 2019) only one still living is Tian Jianhua (田剑华，93)
What are the sources identifying her as Chen Yuxia? A disciple of Chen Yu is saying she is not Chen Yuxia.
6 лет назад
@@violentfox It's possible to be a great master of Wushu and to have a daughter that it's not interested in Wushu, or a daughter that didn't learn with his father but learned with one of his disciples. ;)
Late "indoor" disciples of Chen Fa Ke who followed him to the end (except family members): Feng Zhiqiang(冯志强), Li Zhongyin(李忠阴), Xiao Qinglin(肖庆林), Tian Xiuchen(田秀臣), Tian Jianhua(田剑华), Lei Muni(雷慕尼), Hong Junsheng(洪均生), Li Jingwu(李经梧). Hope I didn't forget someone. Today (June 2019) only one still living is Tian Jianhua (田剑华，93)
No esta del todo correcta . le falta fuerza potencia . las posiciones mas precisas. sin embargo mueve las manos con los dedos doblados hacia atras.. la forma esta bonita pero la falta mas tecnica y precision. por lo menos en el mortero. . me encanto que en la posicion de tener la mano al frente del tantien muy buena , no como otros que la colocan al costado de la cintura donde no corresponde. y de esos hay muchos,. y tambien hacen algo falso al comienzo de la Forma Lao Jia ,levantan las manos al frente con la Yang estilo y eso no existio en esta forma. acaso la adaptaron los nuevos Maestros,
So you are saying that the Chen style taught by Grand Masters like Zhu Tiancai and Chen Zhenglei, from Chenjiagou village, is not the original, but a fancy revisited version?
Yes, I lived in chen jia gou, I know chen xiao wang, chen zhenglei and chen zhao sen. I also coud meet other teachers in taiwan, and other place in asia, and I could see the difference, the only way to compare is to feel by practicing. Tai ji should be even more soft, light than what they teach now. In Chen village, the way they play tai ji is a way different, you can compare yourself the way old student of chen fake use to move, and now. In these days, they exagerate the spirales, making movement pretty, and more attractive, they like tui shou. Same thing with shaolin bak mei, and all other gong fu. Chen style became too popular, that's why usually, Wu style and other tai ji style are more authentic.
That's why, when we see this lady doing tai ji, we can easy think that it is different, not chen style, compare to what chen family is teaching now, but it was just chen style as they used to play before, very light, very soft, small spirale. She is here, in this video, doing medium spirale. They didn't really show in public how they play on their own. Smaller are the spirales, more you can concentrate the qi. You don't want to waste energy by doing unnecessery movement.
People usually play tai ji very slow, which is important, to store energy, but we also, beside that, move fast, small spirale, to concentrate and learn how to move it, control it better. But now this part is not teached. Have a good day !
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感謝分享，如獲至寶。
Very close to Pan Wing Chows way - who also learnt from Chen Fa Ke
总算找到和我打法一样的太极拳了，一直在网上看到的都是另类的太极拳，怀疑自已学到的是非正宗，这下放心了
This is wonderful!
The essence of the Beijing Chen style.
The name of the lady is Jin Yiling 靳以琳
Thanks so much for this. This is the only footage of Chen Yuxia I've seen so far (and I like it very much). From things I glean here and there I am starting to believe Chen Yuxia played a bigger role in the transmission than generally recognized. I practice Chen Style, the Hong Junsheng variant and I understand Chen Yuxia and Hong Junsheng maintained a close, good relationship (and I see many common things...)
thanks for watching
可能入門不久
My teacher says that when the students of Hong Junsheng wanted to learn the sword routine, he sent them to learn it from her. An interesting side note is, Chen Village isn't teaching the 49 move sword routine anymore, and is now teaching a 54 move sword routine that is very similar to the routine in Practical Method,.
This is Jin Yilin (Student of Chen Yuxia)
wow 👏
Simply amazing!!!
看了幾個早年的陳太影片,發覺動作都很簡捷,跟現在的陳太不大一樣花俏很多.
陳太是拳術應該不會有花俏的動作.
對,和練習一路應該不發勁,.
好拳！
nice
Late "indoor" disciples of Chen Fa Ke who followed him to the end (except family members): Feng Zhiqiang(冯志强), Li Zhongyin(李忠阴), Xiao Qinglin(肖庆林), Tian Xiuchen(田秀臣), Tian Jianhua(田剑华), Lei Muni(雷慕尼), Hong Junsheng(洪均生), Li Jingwu(李经梧). Hope I didn't forget someone. Today (June 2019) only one still living is Tian Jianhua (田剑华，93)
There was also Pan Yongzhou,潘咏周 who moved to Taiwan
this is the daugther of master chen fake
She is Chen Yuxia, the daughter of the great master Chen Faké. Lao Jia - Da Jia
Jin Yilin (Student of Chen Yuxia)
难得的录像。可惜没有陈发科老先生的影片了。
可以用陈公发科的照片比照以上的影片，就能大概看出相似的地方。
有陳延熙的徒弟，陳發科的師弟：杜毓澤老先生的影片，最老的太極拳
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Are you sure?? It isn't the same STUDENT and DISCIPLE, and I think the last DISCIPLE of Chen Fake was Feng Zhiqiang.
This is Chen Yuxia, Chen Fake's daughter. Obviously she wasn't a "desciple" of Chen Fake, she need not to be one to learn from her father ;)
What are the sources identifying her as Chen Yuxia? A disciple of Chen Yu is saying she is not Chen Yuxia.
@@violentfox It's possible to be a great master of Wushu and to have a daughter that it's not interested in Wushu, or a daughter that didn't learn with his father but learned with one of his disciples. ;)
Late "indoor" disciples of Chen Fa Ke who followed him to the end (except family members): Feng Zhiqiang(冯志强), Li Zhongyin(李忠阴), Xiao Qinglin(肖庆林), Tian Xiuchen(田秀臣), Tian Jianhua(田剑华), Lei Muni(雷慕尼), Hong Junsheng(洪均生), Li Jingwu(李经梧). Hope I didn't forget someone. Today (June 2019) only one still living is Tian Jianhua (田剑华，93)
many not know her the daugther of chen fake...and why spank od taiji
Is this Chen Fake daughter? She passed in 1986, so it’s quite possible.
Jin Yilin (Student of Chen Yuxia)
视频珍贵，水平一般，
谁知道这位老人的名字吗？
陈豫侠
这肯定不是陈豫侠。不知道他名字是什么？后来什么情况？
我查到了，这位老人叫靳依琳，当年是因为身体不好才学太极拳的。后来坚持练习太极拳身体变好了
这位是不是真传人不敢说，不过肯定的是这位当时肯定是个初学者，这套拳里的确有不少原来的练法，不过一般
+khu1020 可以确定你压根就不懂拳
钟鸣
也有同感, 看不見有深層次的東西表現出來,到底是隱藏還是當時是這樣流傳的, 今人真的不得而知。但從表面看來, 跟今天真的有ㄧ点距離。
She was Master 陈豫侠，the daughter of 陈发科Chen Fa Ke. 她不是传人？你应该问一问陈家沟的人，她算不算传人。
What are the sources identifying her as Chen Yuxia? A disciple of Chen Yu is saying she is not Chen Yuxia.
钟鸣 陈豫侠（1924年-1986年）：祖籍河南温县陈家沟，陈式太极拳一代宗师陈发科之女，其父取名豫侠，实希望女儿能成为河南籍一侠女，8岁从父练拳，天性纯厚、谦虚。拳法酷似陈发科公，剑法尽得发科公之精妙。
這種拳架是無法實戰的，活動活動筋骨吧！
No esta del todo correcta . le falta fuerza potencia . las posiciones mas precisas. sin embargo mueve las manos con los dedos doblados hacia atras.. la forma esta bonita pero la falta mas tecnica y precision. por lo menos en el mortero. . me encanto que en la posicion de tener la mano al frente del tantien muy buena , no como otros que la colocan al costado de la cintura donde no corresponde. y de esos hay muchos,. y tambien hacen algo falso al comienzo de la Forma Lao Jia ,levantan las manos al frente con la Yang estilo y eso no existio en esta forma. acaso la adaptaron los nuevos Maestros,
This not Chen Taiji. Well executed, but not Chen style. (Updated: I was wrong, read below, I apologize)
chen style 64 old frame, before chen became pretty and folk, like they all play in china these days for business and fashion.
So you are saying that the Chen style taught by Grand Masters like Zhu Tiancai and Chen Zhenglei, from Chenjiagou village, is not the original, but a fancy revisited version?
Yes, I lived in chen jia gou, I know chen xiao wang, chen zhenglei and chen zhao sen. I also coud meet other teachers in taiwan, and other place in asia, and I could see the difference, the only way to compare is to feel by practicing. Tai ji should be even more soft, light than what they teach now. In Chen village, the way they play tai ji is a way different, you can compare yourself the way old student of chen fake use to move, and now. In these days, they exagerate the spirales, making movement pretty, and more attractive, they like tui shou. Same thing with shaolin bak mei, and all other gong fu. Chen style became too popular, that's why usually, Wu style and other tai ji style are more authentic.
That's why, when we see this lady doing tai ji, we can easy think that it is different, not chen style, compare to what chen family is teaching now, but it was just chen style as they used to play before, very light, very soft, small spirale. She is here, in this video, doing medium spirale. They didn't really show in public how they play on their own. Smaller are the spirales, more you can concentrate the qi. You don't want to waste energy by doing unnecessery movement.
People usually play tai ji very slow, which is important, to store energy, but we also, beside that, move fast, small spirale, to concentrate and learn how to move it, control it better. But now this part is not teached. Have a good day !