Ive thought a lot on the topic of people not thinking lifting is worth it unless they get really great results because I was one of those people. I was doing some deep introspection one day and i realised that within me was the idea that its okay to be unsatisfied with my body if im not putting effort into it but it would be depressing to put effort into it and still be unsatisfied with my body. And my first reaction to saying to myself consciously was isnt that a kinda dumb reason to sabotage my own health? It was a big catalyst for me taking exercise more seriously and eventually ive gotten pretty regular at working out, although im pretty casual about it and dont follow a program or anything. Since then ive realised that part of the problem was that I was miscalculating the cost in effort of pursuing fitness: once youve spent enough time exercising, the difficulty of the average exercise session is not so far off to the effort expended in like showering everyday or doing laundry or something. And nowadays after exercising regularly for like a year ive figured out things i like about it and i even look forward to it. I hated any and all physical activities since childhood so I never ever expected it could turn out that way and my reluctance to do exercise stemmed from that
Also, GVS mentioned that you don't really need high meal frequency to maximise gains, and you only really need about 4 protein servings per day. That is also not necessary. There was a study that proved that protein is still being digested 20+ hours after a meal. Meaning that as long as you are eating once a day, you are fine in terms of muscle gain.
I'm sorry but I can't agree that getting your daily amount of protein b it 100 go 200g of protein or watever it is in one meal is the same or a gud idea as spreading out in 4 or 5 meals that's one huge meal.
@@johnmadden6065 I agree that it's not ideal, but A) they didn't say ONE feeding, they said less than 4 is okay. 3 is less than 4, and B) 100g of protein isn't really a huge meal. That's less than 1lb of chicken breast. Totally doable. I just ate a 14oz chicken breast sando and I'm not even remotely overfull.
I dont think people hate science based lifters i think wat they hate is people saying don't do it this way do it this way. Its people saying u can't instead of just saying maybe try this instead
9:37 GVS's point on anyone being an outlier in some regard is akin to the joke that most Physics knowledge only apply to circular points on a vacuum, and I kinda like it. When considering real world individuals/situations one would have a ton of interfering variables, as he points out
I think science influencers can get a little “I know the truth cuz science” and then the models don’t always pan out. The inverse is often true too. So, we all have to be so careful when communicating, on either side. We are all just trying to figure it out.
This research goes back and forth over the years. Go to failure, don't go to failure, back and forth. I find going to failure on squats or deadlifts is less effective and stupid, CNS overtraining. On bench presses I leave a few reps in reserve too. I bench press only 330 pounds raw. but recently loss 18 pounds due to illness suddenly lost it, and I am 55 years old and do not use and have never used gear. I have trained 40 years. As a powerlifter my bench was 500 pounds 13 years ago, and my deadlift was astronomical. I weighted 283 then with cloths, I am 231 with cloths right now. When I went to failure, my results were less and plateaued. I became much stronger periodizing by percentages, modified over the weeks based on RPE. My asthma is now where near as bad when I have more power as the muscles involved in breathing are so strong the Respiratory therapist rates them 170 % which is 70% stronger than the normal maximum for a healthy man in his 20s. This mean without being about to pass out but getting the full amount of oxygen, I get asthma attacks that I did not feel so no stress, no stress response or increase in stress hormones so the growths n my lungs stop growing and start again when I lose too ,much weight due to muscle loss, then stop when I gain back the muscle. I never smoked.
Come ooon brooo, no self-deprecation if that's even a word lool. Science is really cool. Like lengthened tension, shortned tensions, synergy, compensation, the stuff that you can't really "bro" yourself through.
You guys can't even agree what failure is. much less what is science based. This is just gym bros not understanding science and bashing what they don't understand.
They do. There are different levels of it, and many people don't go to actual muscular failure. That's what makes studies on new lifters flawed, cause they actually don't even know what it feels like.
Im a physics based lifter. I am on a logarithmic progression where I track my progress in dB
damn 3 GVS podcasts in 2 days, this is insane
which other podcasts did he do??
@arturus4750 2 others on Jonathat Warrens channel, with one of them being a debate with Scientific snitch.
Great content!!!
Loved the first pod with GVS, excited to dig into this one!
JVS is valuable part of each and every podcast 😊
My two favourites….
Well Saturday is sorted !! 🙌🙌
Ive thought a lot on the topic of people not thinking lifting is worth it unless they get really great results because I was one of those people. I was doing some deep introspection one day and i realised that within me was the idea that its okay to be unsatisfied with my body if im not putting effort into it but it would be depressing to put effort into it and still be unsatisfied with my body. And my first reaction to saying to myself consciously was isnt that a kinda dumb reason to sabotage my own health? It was a big catalyst for me taking exercise more seriously and eventually ive gotten pretty regular at working out, although im pretty casual about it and dont follow a program or anything.
Since then ive realised that part of the problem was that I was miscalculating the cost in effort of pursuing fitness: once youve spent enough time exercising, the difficulty of the average exercise session is not so far off to the effort expended in like showering everyday or doing laundry or something. And nowadays after exercising regularly for like a year ive figured out things i like about it and i even look forward to it. I hated any and all physical activities since childhood so I never ever expected it could turn out that way and my reluctance to do exercise stemmed from that
Also, GVS mentioned that you don't really need high meal frequency to maximise gains, and you only really need about 4 protein servings per day.
That is also not necessary.
There was a study that proved that protein is still being digested 20+ hours after a meal.
Meaning that as long as you are eating once a day, you are fine in terms of muscle gain.
I'm sorry but I can't agree that getting your daily amount of protein b it 100 go 200g of protein or watever it is in one meal is the same or a gud idea as spreading out in 4 or 5 meals that's one huge meal.
@@johnmadden6065 I agree that it's not ideal, but A) they didn't say ONE feeding, they said less than 4 is okay. 3 is less than 4, and B) 100g of protein isn't really a huge meal. That's less than 1lb of chicken breast. Totally doable. I just ate a 14oz chicken breast sando and I'm not even remotely overfull.
@johnmadden6065 For practicality, sure. But for gains it will be the same.
😂😂 yeah you may be fine but not optimal
@weakest_serb where is that proven tho show me someone who has gained muscle and gotten big on one meal a day
I dont think people hate science based lifters i think wat they hate is people saying don't do it this way do it this way. Its people saying u can't instead of just saying maybe try this instead
Yes that's the most annoying thing ever.
9:37 GVS's point on anyone being an outlier in some regard is akin to the joke that most Physics knowledge only apply to circular points on a vacuum, and I kinda like it.
When considering real world individuals/situations one would have a ton of interfering variables, as he points out
"I don't follow science, I'm more into biomechanics".
Speechless.
I think science influencers can get a little “I know the truth cuz science” and then the models don’t always pan out. The inverse is often true too. So, we all have to be so careful when communicating, on either side. We are all just trying to figure it out.
2 of my favourite Nattys ❤
I just don't wanna train like a delicate pencil neck daffodil. Hoist heavy ass loads, eat a fuck ton of protein, sleep enough and repeat.
Great strategy
I do not trust nasal people. Milo Wolf is nasal. And science based. Go figure!!
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This research goes back and forth over the years. Go to failure, don't go to failure, back and forth. I find going to failure on squats or deadlifts is less effective and stupid, CNS overtraining. On bench presses I leave a few reps in reserve too. I bench press only 330 pounds raw. but recently loss 18 pounds due to illness suddenly lost it, and I am 55 years old and do not use and have never used gear. I have trained 40 years. As a powerlifter my bench was 500 pounds 13 years ago, and my deadlift was astronomical. I weighted 283 then with cloths, I am 231 with cloths right now. When I went to failure, my results were less and plateaued. I became much stronger periodizing by percentages, modified over the weeks based on RPE. My asthma is now where near as bad when I have more power as the muscles involved in breathing are so strong the Respiratory therapist rates them 170 % which is 70% stronger than the normal maximum for a healthy man in his 20s. This mean without being about to pass out but getting the full amount of oxygen, I get asthma attacks that I did not feel so no stress, no stress response or increase in stress hormones so the growths n my lungs stop growing and start again when I lose too ,much weight due to muscle loss, then stop when I gain back the muscle. I never smoked.
Come ooon brooo, no self-deprecation if that's even a word lool. Science is really cool. Like lengthened tension, shortned tensions, synergy, compensation, the stuff that you can't really "bro" yourself through.
You can bro yourself through it though.
People have been bro-ing themselves through it for decades.
You guys can't even agree what failure is. much less what is science based. This is just gym bros not understanding science and bashing what they don't understand.
So the newb lifters they use in the studies know what failure is? Because that's science.
They do. There are different levels of it, and many people don't go to actual muscular failure. That's what makes studies on new lifters flawed, cause they actually don't even know what it feels like.
Not even the science guys can agree on what failure is lmao
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