In Russia (and the former Soviet space) ~1600-1800 kHz is a "pioneer range". Currently used by pirates for negotiations via old-school vacuum tube equipment with hoarse modulation. And, rarely, for unofficial music broadcasting.
Imagine that - your Greek pirate was playing one of my all-time favourite recordings of my youth! I'll be looking out for more of this type of post on RUclips.
@@shortwavelistener Yeah, that annoyance has ruined many a good video. Partcularly when the tune is NOT the subject, but just an example. That's the difficulty with computer assessment - no soul.
Hi, this band traditionally used pirates because in soviet union pirates often retune typical AM receivers and make simple valve transmitters. I recommend for low frequencies two relatively wires 8-20 meters and balun which primary and secondary windings wound on opposite sides of ferrite ring, because this transformer has minimal capacitance between windidngs so he has a high impedance for common mode noises, especially on low frequencies.
A cheap and still quite efficient loop antenna is the MLA30, offered by numerous vendors on the usual auction site. Just don't use it with a switch-mode power supply. A slightly better loop is sold on the usual Chinese site as "50K-500MHz Full Band Loop Active Receiver Antenna". I've had very good results with one of these. One strong point of loops is that their directivity features a very sharp null which can be used to attenuate electrical noise from computers, switch-mode power supplies etc. in the close vicinity. Another good and extremely compact antenna is the famous Mini-Whip, designed years ago by Dutch radio amateur PA0RDT. Just don't try to use it indoors.
@@shortwavelistener Mine works OK indoors. ALso Cross Country Wireless do loops that work well then there is the good old Wellbrook (no longer in business) but there are loads out there. THe Box loop you showed I used to have one that was 4ft square 7 turns and 1 pick up turn ... Wish I still had it !and finally if you search Kevin KB9RLW'syou tube channel he has some 'Hulaloops' he built ( mainly for 630m rx) that could easily be moded up in frequency a bit. Nick G8SYE
@@shortwavelistener It can indeed, especially at LF. My MiniWhip is also one of Roeloff's originals but any well-built copy is just as good.. But one needs to play by the rules: install it outside of the building, as far as possible from your local noise sources, and ground the cable directly below the antenna. A common-mode rejection filter right before entering the building is also a good idea. And don't feed it with a switch-mode power supply. A decent linear power supply is fine, a 12 volt battery is ideal.
People who really want a high quality loop without breaking the bank should have a look at the head-amp designed by LZ1AQ. You'll need to do a bit of tube bending, but it's far cheaper than the Wellbrook and definitely better.
I'm In Arizona. What azimuth should my wire lay, for a beverage style antenna? like what if I do have room for a 557.743feet (170m) wire, on my land? For London, Hawaii, Costa Rica, Alaska, How do I Aim this thing??
@@ranchosinnombreannjimmy8427 Oh wow! You have some land! First thing - AZ is dry and long wires in dry climates tend to build static which can damage a receiver. If you really want to try maybe point the wire NNE towards Europe using a great arc on the globe. Still 170m where you’re located will be difficult. If you point NNW you might get the Half Moon Bay station on 1710 in CA. Beverage antennas are directional parallel to the line of the wire. Definitely do some research on it.
I've had fantastic results with KAZ antennas for both BCB and 170, 160 Meters. Very directional and somewhat "steerable" with a variable resistor. I have a house in Pennsylvania and one in New Mexico and, for me at least, the KAZ antennas have been more versatile and generally perform better than my beverage. Good luck 🤞🏻
See @timmack2415 's response on a smaller antenna that might do the trick for you! Here's a link (check the link within the article for the design) g0kya.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-kaz-directional-mw-antenna.html Thank you Tim!
Are you all just now waking up ? Those people have been broadcasting for years maybe DECADES !. I tried telling you about the "Russians". Most are on 3000 to 3200 Khz. But as I said years ago,some also frequent 1610 to 1800 Khz. Lots of the transmitters are unstable with simultaneous AM and FM, suggesting home brew transmitters and maybe modulated "Power Oscillators". They are an absolute JOY to listen to !!!
@@ronanzann4851 Unfortunately we just can’t quite hear them in the US. I’m sure it’s much easier in Europe. Interesting that they free band in those frequencies!!!
There are Dutch Music Freebanders on 170m, usually between 1620KHz and 1655KHz in AM.
In Russia (and the former Soviet space) ~1600-1800 kHz is a "pioneer range". Currently used by pirates for negotiations via old-school vacuum tube equipment with hoarse modulation. And, rarely, for unofficial music broadcasting.
Interesting! Do you have any links to some of that history?
"hoarse modulation" is a nice colorful way of putting it
I’m glad I found your channel. Thank you
@p.oneill6943 not much. Most of it’s digital satellite
@p.oneill6943 He's using a KiwiSDR station in Russia. Check out @1:19 and you will see the link as well as the frequency and setup.
Imagine that - your Greek pirate was playing one of my all-time favourite recordings of my youth! I'll be looking out for more of this type of post on RUclips.
What was the name of that song?
@@shortwavelistener 'The Model'; Kraftwerk; 1978; from the album 'The Man Machine'
@@roboftherock Thanks! Let's hope RUclips doesn't block the video for copyright.
@@shortwavelistener Yeah, that annoyance has ruined many a good video. Partcularly when the tune is NOT the subject, but just an example. That's the difficulty with computer assessment - no soul.
Greek ac kounelaki....Greek zouzounia songs
Enjoyed the material. I had started antenna research in the 160m area, but that sort of naturally dips into the 170m areas too. Thanks.
Hi, this band traditionally used pirates because in soviet union pirates often retune typical AM receivers and make simple valve transmitters.
I recommend for low frequencies two relatively wires 8-20 meters and balun which primary and secondary windings wound on opposite sides of ferrite ring, because this transformer has minimal capacitance between windidngs so he has a high impedance for common mode noises, especially on low frequencies.
@@АндрейЕлескин-л8с Thanks!! Great info!
@@shortwavelistener i also ran websdr with openwebbr which still not registered in catalogues
hoshinokoe ru
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A cheap and still quite efficient loop antenna is the MLA30, offered by numerous vendors on the usual auction site. Just don't use it with a switch-mode power supply.
A slightly better loop is sold on the usual Chinese site as "50K-500MHz Full Band Loop Active Receiver Antenna". I've had very good results with one of these.
One strong point of loops is that their directivity features a very sharp null which can be used to attenuate electrical noise from computers, switch-mode power supplies etc. in the close vicinity.
Another good and extremely compact antenna is the famous Mini-Whip, designed years ago by Dutch radio amateur PA0RDT. Just don't try to use it indoors.
Thanks for the suggestions! I have the MLA-30+ but haven't had a lot of success yet (due to being indoors with it).
@@shortwavelistener Mine works OK indoors. ALso Cross Country Wireless do loops that work well then there is the good old Wellbrook (no longer in business) but there are loads out there. THe Box loop you showed I used to have one that was 4ft square 7 turns and 1 pick up turn ... Wish I still had it !and finally if you search Kevin KB9RLW'syou tube channel he has some 'Hulaloops' he built ( mainly for 630m rx) that could easily be moded up in frequency a bit.
Nick G8SYE
I have always just get as much wire as high as I can.
Thank you for the update. I found it very informative.
73 Paul AA1SU
@@vtradio Glad you liked it. My next one is in the works.
I'm using an original (made by pa0rdt himself) pa0rdt-mini-whip antenna, and I have to tell: it's amazing, really!
I've always wondered about that antenna. Can it really outperform any longer outdoor antenna?
@@shortwavelistener It can indeed, especially at LF. My MiniWhip is also one of Roeloff's originals but any well-built copy is just as good..
But one needs to play by the rules: install it outside of the building, as far as possible from your local noise sources, and ground the cable directly below the antenna. A common-mode rejection filter right before entering the building is also a good idea. And don't feed it with a switch-mode power supply. A decent linear power supply is fine, a 12 volt battery is ideal.
People who really want a high quality loop without breaking the bank should have a look at the head-amp designed by LZ1AQ.
You'll need to do a bit of tube bending, but it's far cheaper than the Wellbrook and definitely better.
I'm not familiar with that one - but will take a look!
i really want that W6LVP loop but man its pricey. It's supposed to be top notch.
It's actually cheaper than the Wellbrook - but I agree! I'm probably going to buy one (W6LVP)
Do a web search for LZ1AQ and his head-amp. You'll need to do a bit of tube bending but it's cheaper and better.
Do a web search for LZ1AQ and his head-amp. Cheaper and better.
I'm In Arizona. What azimuth should my wire lay, for a beverage style antenna? like what if I do have room for a 557.743feet (170m) wire, on my land? For London, Hawaii, Costa Rica, Alaska, How do I Aim this thing??
@@ranchosinnombreannjimmy8427 Oh wow! You have some land! First thing - AZ is dry and long wires in dry climates tend to build static which can damage a receiver. If you really want to try maybe point the wire NNE towards Europe using a great arc on the globe. Still 170m where you’re located will be difficult. If you point NNW you might get the Half Moon Bay station on 1710 in CA. Beverage antennas are directional parallel to the line of the wire. Definitely do some research on it.
I've had fantastic results with KAZ antennas for both BCB and 170, 160 Meters. Very directional and somewhat "steerable" with a variable resistor.
I have a house in Pennsylvania and one in New Mexico and, for me at least, the KAZ antennas have been more versatile and generally perform better than my beverage.
Good luck 🤞🏻
@@timmack2415 I'm definitely going to look that up! Thanks for the tip!!!
See @timmack2415 's response on a smaller antenna that might do the trick for you! Here's a link (check the link within the article for the design)
g0kya.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-kaz-directional-mw-antenna.html
Thank you Tim!
Are you all just now waking up ? Those people have been broadcasting for years maybe DECADES !. I tried telling you about the "Russians". Most are on 3000 to 3200 Khz. But as I said years ago,some also frequent 1610 to 1800 Khz. Lots of the transmitters are unstable with simultaneous AM and FM, suggesting home brew transmitters and maybe modulated "Power Oscillators". They are an absolute JOY to listen to !!!
@@ronanzann4851 Unfortunately we just can’t quite hear them in the US. I’m sure it’s much easier in Europe. Interesting that they free band in those frequencies!!!