How to Fix Dental Suction Line; inaccessible and clogged
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- I am not talking about the suction tubing associated with the dental unit (Chair). Our building has poured concrete floors. The suction from each chair is routed through PVC that goes to the floor below us via a hole drilled in the concrete. From there the PVC pipe travels to the area of our equipment closet where it re-enters the suite. In order to access the pipe, I would have to contact the building owner and after hours be let into the suite below us- get into their dropped ceiling and cut out the plugged pvc- and then re-glue it after correcting the issue. I considered using a snake or similar but unfortunately the people that installed the lines used some tight 90s making it impossible to make the turn with any type of auger. solutiion? Home made water Jet.
Before anyone thinks ; what if the line is broken or pulled apart and this idiot is gonna flood the suite below him; I just want you to know that there was not zero suction, but a slight bit. If the pvc was apart there would be no suction. Further, i was planning to only use the water in about ten seconds spurts in case of s catastrophic failure in the pipe below. Fortunately no calamity.
I must give you a huge THANKS for posting this video. I had the exact issue in one op. I was seriously thinking of getting someone to snake it, or worse, cut the slab! I was able to connect a water hose and within 1 min. It was fixed! Not sure what the hell clogged it, given it’s a hygienist room and most saliva and Prophy paste are sucked out. Thank you for posting. Dr Martinez
I didnt see your post until just now. Really glad it worked! See- even a video of the most obscure thing has the potential to help someone! My guess is someone cleaned the suction units and took out the traps and when flushing it out something got dislodged and stuck there. Really no other way. There are disposable traps in the high and low speed. Nothing should get past them until they are taken out. Thanks for commenting!
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It was either this, or making fake "gold digger" videos . Figured RUclips had enough of those already........
Thanks for watching!
Hello! I left a comment on one of your shorts but I thought I’d leave one here! I work for a company that specializes in cleaning these underground lines called suction solutions! I wanted to see if we could get in contact because of this video! Awesome job btw!
Good Job Doctor 👍🏼
Thanks Doc for sharing. My high volume sunction is working good but the saliva ejector is weak. I had the technician replaced the tubing for the saliva ejector but it became even weaker. Trying to figure out the cause.
Does it have one of those tiny traps built into the head? You know what I mean right ? Just below where the saliva ejector sits. And there's another trap for the high and low speed suction together. It's a little basket about 2 inches in diameter usually built into the assistant tray
Great video. Any thoughts on how to remedy hear the sound of the suction lines in the ceiling in every room? Could there be an underlying issue. Everything seems to be working fine
@@baileyjhonson5758 I would think they wouldn't make any noise if they weren't leaking. Are you hearing air or liquid? Are they PVC or copper? I would try some 1 inch arm R seal in one room and see if that helps It's the stuff that you use to wrap your line set on your central air conditioner. I'll see if I could find a link to it and edit this comment. edit it's called arm a flex. And the course varies by how thick. And how big the pipe is. But something like this.www.supplyhouse.com/K-Flex-6RXLO100158-1-5-8-Pipe-O-D-x-1-Wall-Insul-Lock-DS-Overlap-Pipe-Insulation-6
@@Samlol23_drrich thank you. I’ll try that. I’m waiting for the office to have some downtime so I can investigate some more. Dr states it didn’t do it before the office remodel. I’ll shot a video and try to capture the sound. Thank you for the advice.
@@baileyjhonson5758 @baileyjhonson5758 .., That's exactly why I haven't remodeled my office in 30 years!!!
But if you post a video, send me a link. I'd be interested to hear what the noise is. Unless there's air leaking, you shouldn't hear the suction. it's just a pipe, you should easily be able to insulate it for sound.
@@baileyjhonson5758 Oh, and it's called ArmRFlex. Not ArmRSeal.
Here’s another video this one is down line from the vent. The pump is in between the two rooms.
that's a Proma perception unit, circa 1993-1995..... I used to install them years ago, they employ pinch blocks that would fail.....can you even get those pinch blocks from proma?
Good job! Built the office in 98. Those pinch blocks are the bane of my existence. Luckily I bought a bunch about ten years ago and haven't gone through them all yet. I hope I don't have to find out the hard way they don't make them anymore.
So far I've been able to find everything I need on ebay for a price. My gendex 9200 pan/ceph is a perfect example of my frustration. "No longer supported " is what gendex will tell you when a $100 stepping motor fails. Of course they have proprietary gearbox that translates motor torque to the head, column etc. Have had to buy circuit boards and motors/mounts from ebay and install em myself since I know more about the machine at this point than the guys who do service around me. Thanks for watching and commenting. If u wanna see someone f up, I've got a vid up replacing a spring on one of my ceiling mounted track lights.
Master, where can i buy the pipe with valves you use? Seems like it is custom made.
After you look and see what you need , and plumbing supply store or large retail home center should have all the pipe fittings you need. I had a bag of assorted junk from plumbing projects over the years and yes, it was home made. I made something fit. Thanks for the question. Edit. In my case it looks like I needed a 3/4” fpt (female pipe thread to 3/4 female hose adapter but you may need something else.
And what happens if you crack or break a fitting down stream and what about cleaning the solids canister on the vac? What about the heavy water pressure hitting the impeller o floor the vac? How are you measuring the cfm at the hve/saliva hpc’s?
First of all, it’s not an 8GPM -4000 psi pressure washer. It’s a faucet. Secondly, if I broke a fitting I would go downstairs, move their dropped ceiling tile and solder a repair cause the pipe transitions to copper. The canister gets filled and sent away for recycling, it’s a separator so it’s got no place in this equation. Lastly, only clear water gets to the vacuum pump impeller after everything is filtered by both the amalgam separator, and an in-line filter after that. I’ve got a two head set up. If one of the heads craps out, I have another Matrix 2hp head sitting in my basement waiting to be swapped in, along with a brand new start box. I would simply swap in the new pump, and rebuild the old one.
When you don’t want to have to pass along high costs to your patients, you do as much as you can yourself, like I do. I’m all for concern, but your post is really over thinking a simple fix in my opinion. No offense meant; I’ve had my share of things go south while trying to repair them. Just need to be prepared for the worst case scenario. If the pipe was buried in a poured slab, I would have gone in with a snake first. Thanks for commenting though.
plz answer i’m doing new construction and have to pipe one in tonight have no idea what i gotta do so what do i have to do underneath the ceiling? my really only question is does the main suction line need pitch ? to the suction machine
Unfortunately I have no idea. I'm willing to make an educated guess that since it's not gravity fed pitch doesn't matter. My line goes down at least 2 feet from the chair base and across at least 40 feet of pvc or copper (no idea) then up at least 6 feet to the suction unit. It's a negative pitch so I say no. Edit I'm on the second floor of an office building. The only place to run lines is thru the floor into the dropped ceiling of the first floor suites.
@@Samlol23_drrich thanks but i asked around and ended up figuring it out
@@rongeezyadaddy so did it need to be pitched at all? I’m curious now.
There in the States you’re still in the Middle Ages with some dental equipment.
It's not the states. It's my office!
@@Samlol23_drrich and where is your office then?
@jasontotz in NY in the USA. As long as it's running well I'm happy. The chairs are dated though
@@Samlol23_drrich of course and I don’t blame you but American dental equipment manufacturers are way behind in technology compared to Europe. Adec, Midmark, DCI, Pelton & Crane, Boyd, Dentalez etc have not evolved at all compared to European brands like Stern Weber, Sirona, Kavo, Planmeca, Anthos, Castellini to name a few. I’m a dental equipment engineer and I have worked on all of them, even Japanese era still ahead of American eq.
@@jasontotz @jasontotz that's really interesting to me. It's gotta be financially motivated. I've gotten burned twice- and it just so happens that they were both big purchases where 11 years later the companies "no longer support" the items or make parts. One was a pan/ceph and the other a hard tissue laser. I've gotta find used parts on ebay and repair them myself or they are 50k paperweights. I'm told 10 years is standard.
You would think with a 10 year life cycle the motivation would be new tech. Guess not.
Interesting stuff. Thanks for commenting