I was an exo-L first and became an ARMY since BTS' debut. I witnessed all their hardships and successes. It was a very depressing time to be an ARMY in their early days because it felt like the whole industry was against them(although it's still pretty much the same until now) just because they came from a small company. Hence in their vlogs, jin mentioned that he was sorry for ARMYs because ARMYs always felt sorry for them. I was also there during the WOH backlash, you'd actually need a little dive in to the kpop history to know that most of these hates and backlash they received before were sadly caused by exo-Ls. They couldn't accept the fact that their idols were having a close competition so theyd always trend hateful hashtags on twitter for the bts members to see because they KNEW the members will see it because twitter is where BTS used to actively communicate with ARMYs before. Including the tags that trended for jhope, telling him he's ugly and talentless. At that time I decided to leave exo's fandom but still supported the artists in my own way. I felt so sorry for BTS because it didn't stop there, when they won a daesang exo-Ls couldn't accept it saying they were cheating the charts that's why they won, so they trended hashtags again and even went out to protest in public by lying down on the streets blocking traffic. Even trended death threats for Jimin to the point they had to cancel concerts for his safety. They did so MUCH. I'm glad to see BTS at the top right now. They deserved it. Thank you for genuine reactions as always 💜
Yes, those haters are still around. Although ARMY should be the bigger 'person' and just let those comments slide, you know just be glad that our boys in BTS are super passionate about music.. even if that should be the case, I still go out of my way to diss all those commenters in the best way I can, in any platform. I don't care if they're hurting that their idols are not as active or as talked about. I just want to hurt them with the same hurt they've been causing BTS (or trying to) all this time.
@@rubygalvezrl I was talking about the past though. When everything they were doing was damaging BTS. When we couldn't just 'let it slide' because we needed to protect BTS.
Just remember though that BTS would not be where they are at today ... on top ... if it wasn't for all those haters, as it was that hate that made BTS & ARMY have the motivation to fight back. Think of all that hatred as a "vaccination", which is supposed to make your immune system stronger & more "bulletproof". I can understand all the hate & envy though, because South Korea is saturated with so many music labels & so many bands, especially in the KPop industry, that people have to pick & choose which bands they have to invest their time, money & emotion into & when a new band comes along, it threatens all your efforts in being a fan of your band, so now you want to try to stop the new band from taking over so that they don't invade the space that your band is at. Whatever the case, it's a bad attitude & environment to do that in the first place. I just had a run-in recently with an extreme Blink (or Blonk) here on RUclips who was trashing BTS, but I was able to debate & argue as mature as possible & I believe I was able to come out on top, heh.
As some of the other comments already said, a big part of this 'controversy' was the poor translation cuz for example the line "girls are like an equation, us guys just do them" a better translation would've been "girls are like an equation, us guys just try to solve them". I mean that line alone already makes a big difference, so they really did not deserve all that backlash tbh. It really affected BTS and especially RM but the fact that he apologized and since then even had his lyrics looked over by a women's studies professor, that really shows you what kind of person he is. He took that opportunity and turned it into something positive, to self-reflect and become more aware of issues related to gender equality. You don't see many people do that and that's why i respect him so much as a person. 💜💜
I feel so sad when J-Hope said in a vlog, that no one came to his profil and leave any comments around 2013-2014 when people put him down. no he is loved by millions off Armys, fighting J-Hope
i don’t think that the war of hormone lyrics were misogynistic. it was just a bit horny, cute and cheesy😭 there was definitely more misogynistic kpop songs.
Fr. They said that they were making fun of the teenagers who would make these comments about women because they're going their puberty obviously the hormones are raging and they obviously want sex. (The teenagers not BTS.)
Right! If anything, it's one of the few songs I know where boys address that time of puberty while remaining respectful and complimentary to women, but also not using common lyrics you often find in boy group songs. "If the standard of beauty is the ocean, you’re the deep ocean itself. A cultural asset of beauty that should be taken care of on a national level" - That's cute!
@@alexis.george Yeah and most of the stuff they said I thought was sweet. " From your head to your toes you're the best" if a guy said that to me I wouldn't be like " oh so your sexist?!🤬" The hell?
Dude I actually have a friend who saw RM in person when he was going for a walk in Korea and he said he look fcking intimidating but maybe because he was wearing leather jacket and all black lol but because we see rm's fun side and how he is like with friends etc we know how goofy and clumsy he is but my friend said if you just saw him in streets he just get this feeling of boss and leadership aura from him lmao i guess i will never know 🥲
Like a lot of army I didn't really think much of the lyrics but what really stood out was the way they responded to it. Most people would rather pretend that they have never made a mistake ever, rather than acknowledge and make a mends when someone calls them on something. For that response alone, it made me love them all the more. And they have grown from the experience. Unfortunately we have a group of "fake" army within the fandom that are constantly trying to sabotage the boys. I believe the misogynistic lyrics and the J-Hope twitter trend were created from that group. Armys are at a number now that I don't think that would happen so easily now. And I can't thank you guys enough for taking a moment to reflect on your reaction. That kind of reflective pause is very much appreciated, by me at least. I wish more men would do that. Hitting the subscribe button just for that. Borahae manitos!
Japanese and Korean may have similar grammatical structure but they are completely different. There may be few words that Koreans picked up when Korea was colonized by Japan for 35 years but that's about it.
27:47 armys would never forget how shady and disrespectful Suho to namjoon in this episode. this was hard to watch when this came out as he intentionally embarrassed rm, but good thing rm is not only smart, hes also a good person so he handled everything like a champ he is ;) and as a woman, about the war of hormone, they just literally sang what a boy going through puberty/hormonal teenager usually thinks or feels when attracted to females. although i also think there are better words that couldve been used to convey the message without offending someone but its still not something i would consider as misogynistic. ive heard WAY worse lyrics that are just purely objectifying women in songs that were even topping charts.
how did he shade rm? I can't find any clips of it :( I generally can't watch people being mean to bts but i want to know regardless so i can further understand what they went through
@@alicewalker1392 it trended on twitter just few days ago when the clip surfaced again. you can search this episode just put 'problematic men'. he talked about rm's leadership and couldn't accept it when the judges chose rm as the best leader instead of him
Most people didn't have any issues with War of Hormone and saw it as a silly song about some of the emotions that come with being a teenage boy (most of the drama was from antis and people wanting to jump on something). My goodness the lyrics in western songs are SOOOOOOO much worse. I do appreciate the guys self reflecting and getting some review of their lyrics to make sure they aren't off track but I also feel bad for them because as poets and artists they have to edit themselves in a way that in my opinion can take away from their sense of freedom to express themselves. they are so humble and earnest that it hurts my heart a little, not gonna lie. Thanks for being awesome. Love ya'll Chaotic Line! Much Apreeeesh!
RM is the heart of the group! ❤️ I think War of Hormones was intented to show what young men battle with and is totally inoffensive. I think too many expect idols to be saints and some fans even treat them like babies who dare not have those thoughts. It's not only rap that has racy lyrics but it's probably the most extreme. I love the song and the MV! 😊
War Of Hormones being misogynistic was blown out of proportion it seems like the translation was twisted and we all know how a word can mean so many things And there are people who made a bad narrative out of it. I as a woman and a mother who grew up listening to music from my country and western music knows that there are other songs that are a 1000x more bad than that song😊 And on a side note I want to say MARAMING SALAMAT AMP THEORY 💜
So happy you are sharing your journey with us. One of the reasons I suggest The Rise of Bangtan series to reactors who watch BTS videos is because you learn so much about the individuals who make up BTS. In addition, you learn why the ARMYs are so dedicated and protective of them. If you come for BTS, you have to deal with the wrath of the ARMYs which is why some call us crazy but that's because they haven't taken the time to really learn about the members and our bond. When reactors take the time to watch this series they say I get it now. I understand why the ARMYs are is so protective of BTS. So happy to have you as part of the BTS ARMY family🙂💜!
35:00 yes. And no matter how it's compared to others lyrics I think it was really good they took the critique and learnt from it. Way to many army just defend it with "boys being boys" (also said about pushing the girl into the locker and then dragging her by her wrist into a classroom and her showing no resistant as if it's normal or ok in Boy in Luv korean title is 상남자 meaning Manly Men) and "it's nothing compared too..." And I do not think it was that bad either that it should have blown up to much but I think that in the end it was good that it made them consider their lyrics impact and I think it helped to lead to the BTS we have today. Korea has a lot to work on when it comes to discrimination, misogyny etc, they talked about it when they went to the UN last year with the former president and now with Korea having a new president that wanna take away the little anti discrimination protection there is it is even more important not to act as if words and actions doesn't matter. I think BTS are as great as they are because they listen and learn. There are a lot of homophobic stuff that are normalized in the world and even if that or racist remarks etc sometimes are just "jokes" and not as bad as in other places etc doesn't mean it should be said at all. So why use lyrics that can hurt or further normalize misogyny?
how bts responded, learned and reflected upon themselves with the promise to do better and get more educated on these topics is commendable and that alone gets so much respect in my book but the absolute dogpilling they endured, hate, insults was very unnecessary and undeserved. and its still brought up and used to this day. because u could not tell me there arent worse songs in the kpop sphere (not even talking abt wester songs) that never got even a FRACTION of the things that were hurled at the guys just because everyone the media, kpoppies, other companies were ganging up on the small fry in an attempt to ruin them. so while i agree with what u said but at the same time what a lot of armys say like "its nothing compared to.." is still true too though. two things can be true at the same time. + the fact that out of all of this they havent performed the song for years is so :// like the song would bang live at their concert. hell even if its like a one time performance during muster/festa but i get why they probably wont perform it sigh
I’ll never forget seeing them in NY in 2015 for their red bullet tour..I’m still upset I didn’t get the full experience since they had to do cut it short
Our Namjoonie is so phenomenal… that he chooses to Be himself thru so many phases of chaotic feelings/criticism etc is a massively empowering reminder in everyday life of judgement/s everywhere. Thx for reviewing another ep of RISE OF BANGTAN 👏🏼🫰🏼 #BTS💜💝
I don't like that men in hip-hop only talk about women's bodies but I get bts's War of hormone concept describing what teenager boys feel like plus I like the song
Thank you for your responses to the WOH misogynist controversary. Yes, there are much worse songs, and yes, they didn't intend offense. But to understand that it is a teachable moment is HUGE! That's what BTS and RM did. The allegations may have been unfair, but they focused on learning from it, learning more about women's issues, and making efforts to make sure their lyrics would not be taken that way again.
I've been binge watching your reactions and I don't usually comment when I see that a lot of people have talked about it, but I just want to answer your question with how similar Japanese and Korean are, the short answer is, it's not similar at all 😆 I studied japanese and although I'm not very fluent in it, I understand enough to translate audios. And I can't understand a thing in Korean lol. Although Korea was colonized by Japan for several decades, the only similarities they have in language are loan words borrowed/adapted from Chinese and English as well as a bit of sentence structure. Writing system is a bit similar in structure, but completely different in characters. They both know a bit of Chinese characters though since it's still being taught in schools, I think around elementary years for about 3rd or 5th grade? The members just know Japanese since they studied it too. Namjoon is definitely fluent enough to communicate, Jin studied a bit so he's got the pronunciation spot on and it's pretty good, the rest of the members knows some phrases and words.
Not only K-pop artists, most non-Japanese singers in Asia see Japan as a stepping stone of the global market. Back in the 80's, artists in HK (where I come from) collaborated with Japanese musicians, such as Anzenchitai and Kitaro, in all sorts of ways.
the War of Hormone backlash come from haters and anti, and specially others Kpop fandom, not from fans. As a woman, I can't see a single mysogistic lyric in this song, witch reflected the ebullition of hormone every teenager comes through (even girls, we are not pure spirits !! ) It was just one of the bullet haters shhot against BTS, and it still upset me, but I'm happy and proud that they grown from this experience.
No they were not misogynistic. I believe it was the same forces that started it..the same forces that started the rumors about plagiarism, buying their own albums and so one…and the translation we heard in the video was interpreted wrong by the dude in the the video..Girls are like an equation, guys just do them,yup..it does not have quite that meaning in Korean as the meaning in English suggests. I think it was just honest lyrics about hormones and girls. Quite sweet from young men. Than you..🙂🇳🇴💜
I'm a 38yr old woman and War of Hormones is one of my favorites. I have always found it to be a cute and funny song. I think that people need to realize exactly what being misogynistic is and that song does fit to that word definition. Also, they were 17 to 21 and I think they showcased the very basic male thoughts well. Sometimes I feel folks put way "to much" thought and emotion into lyrics and don't just enjoy it for entertainment. Yes BTS is very poignant and have deep meaning in most songs, but some are just feel good, have fun, enjoyable music. Really enjoy watching y'all!💜💜
Okay, about War of Hormone, that was definitely blown out of proportion. It was cheeky and truthful but not offensive. The translation was also not very well done. “여자들은 방정식 우리 남자들은 해” technically means “girls are equations, us boys do (solve) them”. But the way korean is structured, you don’t need an actual verb there. So they just use the 하다 verb which is generic to mean “to do”- something. And in this sentence, what is the subject? It’s “girls who are like equations.” So when they say, we “do them”, it means to solve the equation. Haters intentionally misunderstood and blew shit up and for some reason, some ARMYs also latched on to that and made things so hard for BTS at the time. Yes, I’m proud of how BH and Namjoon reacted and there is always something to learn from how people react but it was also unnecessary and caused irreparable pain to them. War of Hormones was a satirical commentary on puberty, making cheeky statements about teenage boys and their hormones. The entire album was about the dark twists and turns of young men coming of age. It was very much a part of their journey.
I don’t have a problem with the lyrics in War of Hormone or any BTS songs. The only thing I have ever found offensive by them was the Boy in Luv music video. The slamming the girl into the locker & grabbing her wrist was unsettling to me. BUT I absolutely love all the boys & don’t think that any of them would ever actually be like that. I also want to say though that although I didn’t find the lyrics offensive I really respect & appreciate their response. I’m glad they care about how they make people feel. I believe it is one of the things so many of us love most about BTS…their hearts & how they treat others.
Jin immediately apologised to the actress after completing his act of supposedly slamming her into the locker, not his normal behaviour at all, but as he was an acting student firstly they would have used him to act it out.
@@anneverwey1714 Yes I know he apologized & like I said I don’t believe any of them would ever be like that but it was still a poor choice & a mistake to have in the music video in my opinion. May not have been any of them that made the decision. I do know I’m not alone in how I feel about it because every other person I know (male or female) that has seen the video has had a shocked reaction to that. Like I said I love the boys & think the world of them. People make mistakes.
@@KW-tc6rk that is the point...they probably wanted to show how youngsters are at this age ...they don't think much just go mad when in love and then their next songs followed with how they get mature and handle love... it's the complete story of a person's growth we have seen from the start untill now
@@gamishboy1605 I don’t know anyone that acted like that at that age. Maybe it’s a cultural difference I don’t know. But if a guy did that to a girl at school when I was growing up first he would have gotten his butt kicked by every other guy around, second he would have been suspended from school. Again, love BTS but it was poor judgement by someone to have that in their video. Sorry if we don’t agree but there is literally no valid excuse for it in my opinion. Abusive relationships are a problem I’m sure world wide. That is what that was right there…abusive & controlling. It was a poor decision. I don’t know whose decision it was. It very likely could have been the director of the MV & probably was. But the question was asked as females have we been offended by their lyrics & I answered not their lyrics. But this is the only thing I have ever found offensive by them. And again love them, don’t believe that is who they are but it still was a a mistake. It’s okay if we disagree.
@@KW-tc6rk again, Jin was acting, stress acting, you could see he didn’t like doing it, it was obviously going against his nature. He was given a role to play, at that stage I don’t think the Boys had much influence on the movie videos they were making, they did as they were directed I assume the actress had no say either, otherwise she could have objected, I have noticed in the dramas I have seen from South Korea that it is quite common for a female to vent her anger at a man by slapping him, I’m sure that that is not a common event either, but they are acting a role, people have to realise the difference, boys and girls do do stupid things that they later regret it, is all part of the learning process, if it had been real the girl would have probably kicked him in the shins and told him to get off of her, only right. In this case I believe everything happening was exaggerated and maybe, just maybe, it was meant to shock and be commented on, so young men could learn that it is not acceptable in the real world.
When I first heard WoH I saw it as satire/commentary on how people excuse guys’ behavior because “they can’t help it” or “can’t control themselves.” I guess poor translation and lack of understanding nuances did them dirty, but they carried on and grew from it.
First thank you guys for reaction. Speaking of BTS lyrics being misogynistic in Korea is a joke. I’m Korean American and I did corporate Korea for 6yrs in 2000’s and when I was there pretty much all pop especially idol music was and is still in other groups nothing but misogynistic. Are you kidding me one of the biggest reason I don’t listen to any girl groups from Korea is tasteless to me. Some of the girls group be dancing on the pole! Yes freaking pole dancing for their choreography. We all know BTS music is G rated that’s why they have each single projects so they can say s**t. Thanks again for genuine reaction. Go BTS and ARMY!
I don't think it's so much a matter of national culture but more of generational culture. Younger millennials and Gen Z's tend to be less tolerant of certain expressions especially when they are in any form of discriminatory tone, which I think is okay. I'm not exactly a fan of those lyrics but I'm certainly not worked up by them. However, I think those that found some offense in the lyrics should also be respected, we should find an opportunity to discuss these things and learn from one another regardless of our backgrounds. That said, what's more admirable about BTS especially RM and their company is that they were not defensive about the lyrics but instead took accountabilty and explored ways on how they can be better in the way they write songs. In fact, RM has said in some interviews that he even consults professors who specialize in these topics to review his lyrics to make sure they're not misogynistic or discriminatory in any way. That's so rare for artists these days - integrity, accountability, an effort to be upright, using their fame and artistry as platforms to champion social justice. But that's how BTS is, especially RM. They make an effort to be excellent human beings even though it's hard. They said from the start of their careers that they will stand for justice especially for the young people. They've always taken that seriously. They take that seriously until now. That's the reason why they are credible voices worthy of being heard up to the halls of the United Nations and the White House. We stand with Bangtan Sonyeondan because they stand for all of us. 😊💜
This is exactly what i needed right now thank yooooooouuuuuuu 34:20 i ship that 🥰 I grew up listening to Reggaeton, there's nothing more misogynist than those lyrics so to me WOH is nothing bad, I LOVE that song, plus from what I've read many many times, the translation to that part of the song is wrong and every ARMY knows this, I wish they'd play it again 🤞🏻💜 I love this episode focused on our Namjoonie ❤ Thanks guys for another fun video ✋🏻✨
The Lyrics aren't bad, it's just part of growing up. BTS expressing and Showing their younger days of being teenage boys thru lyrics. It ain't no harm. I don't see anything bad, from what I've heard in the past. I say it was Just haters and media Looking for attention. BTS are Great, Loving and scaring guys. Fighting 💪💜🤟 BTS forever
*so..let me clear the misunderstanding k-popies hv and few Armys hv about this song which was blown out of proportion by h@ters & Antis to create drama that time, which worked cuz k-popies & media latched on it...* Let's be real, War of Hormones wasn't misogynistic. It was just an honest song about what guys in that age range go through. They were straight up saying that they struggle with their hormones when they see a pretty girl, and guess what? That's just being honest. The title itself gives a clear idea to how they see it. A war. An internal conflict. And it's true to what guys in their late teens and early 20s go through. Bangtan has always been about talking about their experiences and being a voice of people their age. The entire album, Dark & Wild, was really just about the turmoils of young adulthood. In the title of the album too, you can already tell what the sentiment was going to be. The first 3 albums spoke about school and issues of teens. And then from there, the darker days of coming to terms with adulthood. And then the HYYH series. Everything was thematic with stories they wanted to tell as they go through life. Antis and fans of other groups were just grasping at straws to find something to shit on and unfortunately the media picked up on it and then some ARMY took it as truth and they themselves started talking as if the song was offensive. It isn't. We need to stop spreading this story as if BTS were misogynistic boys who needed to learn a lesson. Yes, Namjoon has learned a lot from the experience and has gone out of his way to speak to experts in women's studies, but I'm sure that whole ordeal also caused him unnecessary pain. *My take on it* I don't see anything wrong with the lyrics of the song. All boys go through puberty and the things BTS sung in this are just reflective of their experience going through that phase in their lives. This is the reason I love them and their songs.. they didn't hide anything and covered all the feelings/thoughts of a person who is in his/her adolescent...one can see them growing up from then till today…I personally don't find the lyrics offensive and “most” Armys as well..as I agree they are expressing the struggles of dealing with hormonal changes in adolescence, and I'm sorry but sexual attraction is the number one pressing issue in most hormonal teens regardless of gender. There's a couple of issues I take with people who found this offensive. First, the double standard. You can't tell me young women were purely innocent in their thoughts and feelings as they watched these young men dance and sing, they just didn't make a song about it, at least not publicly. Secondly, the entire concept BigHit wanted from BTS is a representation of the youth culture and the issues youth deal with as seen and heard through the lyrics and music of BTS, and of course everyone has or will experience sexual attraction. Yes, they refer to see through clothing and high heels etc, but I've seen hundreds of posts referring to JK's abs, Jimin's body rolls and shoulder "accidents" Tae's tongue...you get the idea, and while many comments aren't necessarily teens it's not a problem. There can only be an issue if the lyrics were implying that I'm only attracted to girls who wear heels and sheer clothing, not sneakers and sweats. Anyone who has experienced adolescence knows however that if they're sexually attracted to someone the person could easily walk around in a potato sack and an adolescent would still be entranced. A lot of people were offended by that line, "Girls are equations and us men just do them". Personally, I took it as "do them" meant they were puzzles to be solved, not a sexual act. RM was honestly shocked that people were offended by the lyrics and that they could be considered misogynistic. It was definitely a learning experience for him. He apologized and has since run his lyrics through a few professionals in women's studies before releasing a new song. They don't really release songs like this any more. But to that a korean Army said translation in English were a bit off, which lead to misunderstandings and explained it saying : “I was kinda surprised it's translation was "do" because that part "do them" CAN actually sound offensive to some people, because the meaning of that word 'do' is not clear. However I can clearly say that it's not meant that way, and Korean version lyrics tell that. Words are more specific, and not controversial in Korean version lyrics, because it doesn't say 'do. That part in Korean is 여자들은 방정식 우리 남자들은 해 which says we men are 해 is a word for mathematics, and it means the 'answer/the final number'. So it means they solve. the complex minds of the girls. 해 DOES have the meaning of 'do' too, but its not appropriate to translate this part of the lyrics that way, because if u say it means "do them, it doesn't fit the sentence there. Since there's no Objectives for that Verb 'do' and that's... kinda awkward. plus. the context and meaning of the whole sentence is talking abt mathematics and Equations so what u said is true. It doesn't mean sexual way” BTS hv made few mistakes unknowingly early in their career and said things which can be considered offensive, as they were young but they hv re-educated themselves, apologized and never repeated the mistakes again..but I hv seen many k-popies and so called Multi Armys twisting many things because of that..take for example this song.. it's blown out of the proportion just to cause drama..and they were sadly successful in that..haters/antis tried every lil thing to bring BTS down & sabotage their career ngl.. *Now last but not the least* ..when this controversy happened, When joon apologized, The one thing that struck me about that was a part in the statement saying they took so long to apologize because they wanted to understand what exactly was the issue... And that part I definitely liked, I've never been a fan of blanket apologies.. BTS always try to understand the problem & try to improve..joon apologized because as the controversy was over "ppl were offended", he apologized for the ppl who were offended by this song, that doesn't mean the song was wrong, he was kind enough to take responsibility for it, ofc bighit & BTS took this issue (which was blown out of proportion) and apologized so that this unwanted drama surrounding the song would end (isn't that common sense) he sincerely apologised..but that doesn't mean that WOH is misogynist or objectifying women..like the title itself clears it out! "War of hormones" what ppl expected form this song to be like seriously?! Ppl who still want to believe that WOH is objectifying women are really dumb for me.. *I'm out* 🚶🏻♀️🚶🏻♀️🚶🏻♀️
I never thought of war of hormones as misogynistic song I actually like it it's a fun and cheesy song the translation twisted the actual lyrics in korean and haters saw it as a chance to attack the boys but they learned from it especially rm
those mf who hated on jhope drives me crazy like how can you call our sunshine ugly 😤 jhope is a handsome cute man he's an incredible person a good rapport a stunning dancer he's a whole packed
i don't know if someone's already said this but the creator of the rise of bangtan actually posted on her community tab that she plans to end the series at chapter 23. so there's only two more chapters to go:((
Let you know to react to those types of videos you say...Well once again could you react to Kim seokjin:a documentary..And watch it with us for the first time..do it want to spam or anything but I think it'll be really beneficial in understanding him and his growth😏 But also yea would love to see you react to namjoon serious leader moments that low-key intimidate me if your talking about that video As well as more specific member centered videos please, cause there are a bunch out there if you look (and drunk bts videos..just look up that and you'll see what i mean when i say there are plenty of different videos)
Korean Chinese and Japanese sharing the same origin but the differences is Japanese and Chinese doesn't have honorifics level in their language meanwhile Korean does have it. And also the loaned words Japanese and Korean loves being modern and trendy meanwhile Chinese chose to be original by using their own language to calling things even they tried to saying things they will still spoke it but with their Chinese accent
I have been listening to Korean music since 2000 ish. WoH are not misogynistic for me, as I've encountered many other women stating so. They are satire about how hormones dominate their bodies. And to my experience of having more male friends than not, seem accurate. Having listened to Korean music before and after, the problem only arises when it's B-T-S (I'm not even bringing western songs to the topic). Many singers and bands have written worse and still write worse. Not an eyebrow is up. Since day 1, the general public (and the haters) are on their backs as if they had to be THE perfect idols, when none was. THE perfect lyricists, THE perfect social problem communicators or whatever. Good for them to not remain silent then, even acknowledging it could be viewed as such (not that it was such), and educate themselves. Even yesterday Eddie Nam (some will know who he is, some not, Nam brothers are good people too!) tweeted "It doesn't take any effort NOT to talk, I don't know any artist that goes beyond the gaslighting "I'm sorry YOU took my words wrong". Till today, in the White House, they are faced with burdens one after another. Everyone wants them to be perfect, and wanted them since day 1. Fortunately, they are such precious human beings (not gonna say the only ones) and have taken this burden graciously. And I cannot be more proud of them (we all army feel like proud mamas and papas seeing them up there T-T). I lived the twitter trends attacks. And they are awful. Still are. To this day, sometimes some things resurface and when some fandom wants to fight you they go to really really nasty lengths. With Hobi and all the members, really. Same or different topics. Mr Jung Hoseok not only pops and locks, he won a national competition and won popularity award in another company competition, he has great lyricism and rhythm sense... So, after that, they all took 3-4 days off :) as you see from their respective hometown vlogs. (remember Jimin and JK are both from Busan, and Tae and Yoongi from Daegu, different areas though) Yoongi birthdays were special... until you see people selling the stuff on ebay :_( (I guess it's ok if you TRULY need the money and are sad to part with it). Remember 2014 he made 300 handwritten notes and snacks bags! He added 50 more after, because more people appeared than expected. Then now in 2015 he wrote again notes and gifted transportation cards. :_) As a language learner: Japanese and Korean have only grammar in common as both are SOV languages and use of particles. The writing and vocabulary are each their own, apart from few similar words or words picked up from western languages (like "Arbeit" from German, which they refer to part-time jobs). Japanese adopted Chinese characters, but retained their pronunciation AND the Chinese one. Korean use Chinese character for official names and I think that's it :) (Like "House of Justice" or the names of people, as to separate meanings due to multiple homonyms). It has nothing to do with Spanish-Portuguese-Italian-French all from Latin descent (being Spanish even somewhat derived/diverged from Portuguese - I'm Spanish). Korean comes (presumably) from Manchuria, vast northern area of China (historically important) and Japanese is an isolated language, for some time scientists were relating it to Finnish (also a "lost" language, as Basque is in the North of Spain). So yeah, the guys have to remember their songs in Korean AND Japanese, and even I have trouble singing to the different lyrics, even though Japanese is easier for me. Plus English now. Oh, they sang Boy in Luv in Chinese too!!! ^^ they are great hehe. The show Problematic Men is awesome. He (Joon) and the company took the opportunity as free promo for the group :) (as ASC, Hello Counselor and others less gracious with them --> that's why they did Run BTS). You have to notice that the questions were in English sometimes, so they are not easy for Korean people (the tricky ones are even difficult for some native English speakers too!). Anyway, HE JUST REUNITED WITH THE CAST!! T-T He posted photos having dinner with them, and you don't understand the nostalgia. Beautiful. BORN SINGER!!! #1 Track in the CD 1 of their first Anthology Album! :_)
@The AMP Theory, Will you be reacting to the BTS to speak to President Biden at The White House on behalf of the asian hate crimes that have been going on in United States and also to address diversity! Today is the last day of the month of May which is AANHPI ( American Asian native Hawaiian Pacific islanders) this is a really important thing that they have done! they also have spoken at the United Nations several times and it never ceases to amaze me how articulate and humble and how much they have spread positivity!💜🙏🏼
Maybe due to the fact I grew up in the United States I didn’t see War of Hormones to be bad at all or misogynistic. I mean I’m used to hearing “I like big butts”, “Shake Your Rump”, “Salt Shaker”, “Back That A** Up” and many many other songs similar. Soooooo
Korean & Japanese have a similar grammatical format like with suffixes and characters. In my opinion though and it could be just due to the fact i watch a lot of Korean content, Korean is easier.
It's my opinion that Bangtan became the Bangtan we love because of RM's leadership and guidance. He's introspective, open-minded, wise beyond his years and the perfect leader. While BTS has done some things that are questionable in the past, I truly believe they learned and grew from it. As for the War of Hormones lyrics, I have no problem with it tbh. Just because a song talks about a woman's body doesn't mean it's objectifying women, smh. But cancel culture is strong in the k-pop world, especially when it comes to BTS. So BTS got a lot of undeserved backlash for that song. Too bad they don't perform it anymore.
Yeah it’s way different than America Korea is a very conservative country even nothing like holding hands Might seem like nothing in America but is it very big thing in Korea so the line about (just doing girls )that’s a very big thing in Korean and just a warning their bond is very strong and it might seem weird to Americans but in Korea it’s not really a big thing so they can hug they can hold hands and it’s not a big thing in Korea I think the thing that crosses the line is than being killed I don’t have a problem with it the Koreans deal especially older Koreans
I personally have no problem with the lyrics other than they're incredibly adolescent and cheesy; but then, I understand it's an unfiltered song about puberty, and objectively I quite appreciate that transparency from the writers. Also, WOH is a catchy song; I rarely describe things as cringe-worthy, but I have to say I did cringe when I first heard it. 😅 This is with the thinking that I could say those lyrics to ANY gender, and it would still sound horny and laughable. It didn't stop it being a bop though, and I just laughed through the secondhand embarrassment, watching the boys act like clueless dorks. I think I feel like this because I've heard worse songs growing up. While that doesn't invalidate the negative connotations and feelings it drew from other people, I love how seriously BH and BTS took the criticism. Critics would say that BTS didn't have to make that song, and the bare minimum artists who HAVE written the same objectifying lyrics is to acknowledge their mistake and apologize. Yet, BH and BTS did not only address the issue with an explanation and heartfelt apology, they never let ARMY forget that they made this mistake. They reinvented themselves and showed that they were asking for help to be better. They kept communication open with their fans, with their critics, with their mentors... And they took their public's hand and gave the responsibility of checking and balancing them as they grew big. It's not often that artists do that.
Korean and japanese do not sound the same , different alphabets but it does have the same formation . Have similar sentence structure and grammar but the words and the pronounciation all differ . Both languages do still use some chinese characters and words but both korean and japanese have its own alphabet with the minor use of chinese characters , it is easier for korean to learn japanese and vice versa than it is to learn englisn or french etc . Koreans do not automatically understand or grasp japanese and vice versa without learning the language .. japanese was forced unto the koreans before independence decades ago so the generations that speak japanese in korea are either dead or very old.. bts grandparents def spoke japanese , v grew up in his grandparents home ,, so japanese is a language he picked up frm his grandparents .
People are way too easily offended these days, though I think that the majority of the controversy over WoH was due to fan wars or something (I don’t know which group’s fandom started it, some people have said Exo in the comments? But idk). Even in Korea, there were songs that were way more objectifying and such towards women out at the time. I do appreciate how you guys acknowledged that maybe you’re missing some cultural context, cause yeah, in America, rap is prolly the most misogynistic genre out there. But the song was literally a satiric commentary on how hormones make people (including girls) think and do stupid things as teenagers and young adults, and that’s a universal phenomenon, across all cultures. It’s a shame that they don’t perform it anymore, cause the song is so catchy and the choreo is really fun. I’m also not one of those people who say “well, they learned from their mistakes” because I don’t think it was a mistake to begin with. Or misogynistic at all (I shouldn’t have to say this to validate my opinion, but yes, I am a woman). But I respect that they chose to handle it in such a way, even if I don’t think it was necessary.
I think being loyal isnt the reason why. I guess it's hard for reactors ro srick with only 1 artist to react to. For me, it's ok for reactors ro like others as well even if they like them more than bts. But what's important for me is when you react, be real, make it genuine. If you dont like it say it in a good way, if you like ir donr overreact. There are tons of overacting reactors that are reallt annoying lol
I think the misogynistic about the war of hormones is ridiculous, I as a girl love the song and thinks it’s good. It was the haters that just wanted to stop bts from growing that just said those types of things. There is a lot of songs that are much worse then the war of hormone, could you please react to the music video of war of hormones
Would appreciate if you press the pause button when commenting and want to talk about something so you wouldn’t miss important part of the video…..talking over the video is kinda annoying ✌️
The war of hormones wasn't a misogynistic song. Heck the song in the USA are worse. Most rappers be rapping about strippers twerking at the club and that was considered "cool". Even that Robin Thicke Blurred Lines offended me more than War of Hormones.
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I was an exo-L first and became an ARMY since BTS' debut. I witnessed all their hardships and successes. It was a very depressing time to be an ARMY in their early days because it felt like the whole industry was against them(although it's still pretty much the same until now) just because they came from a small company. Hence in their vlogs, jin mentioned that he was sorry for ARMYs because ARMYs always felt sorry for them. I was also there during the WOH backlash, you'd actually need a little dive in to the kpop history to know that most of these hates and backlash they received before were sadly caused by exo-Ls. They couldn't accept the fact that their idols were having a close competition so theyd always trend hateful hashtags on twitter for the bts members to see because they KNEW the members will see it because twitter is where BTS used to actively communicate with ARMYs before. Including the tags that trended for jhope, telling him he's ugly and talentless. At that time I decided to leave exo's fandom but still supported the artists in my own way. I felt so sorry for BTS because it didn't stop there, when they won a daesang exo-Ls couldn't accept it saying they were cheating the charts that's why they won, so they trended hashtags again and even went out to protest in public by lying down on the streets blocking traffic. Even trended death threats for Jimin to the point they had to cancel concerts for his safety. They did so MUCH. I'm glad to see BTS at the top right now. They deserved it. Thank you for genuine reactions as always 💜
Thank you for staying with BTS 💜
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Yes, those haters are still around. Although ARMY should be the bigger 'person' and just let those comments slide, you know just be glad that our boys in BTS are super passionate about music.. even if that should be the case, I still go out of my way to diss all those commenters in the best way I can, in any platform. I don't care if they're hurting that their idols are not as active or as talked about. I just want to hurt them with the same hurt they've been causing BTS (or trying to) all this time.
@@rubygalvezrl I was talking about the past though. When everything they were doing was damaging BTS. When we couldn't just 'let it slide' because we needed to protect BTS.
Just remember though that BTS would not be where they are at today ... on top ... if it wasn't for all those haters, as it was that hate that made BTS & ARMY have the motivation to fight back. Think of all that hatred as a "vaccination", which is supposed to make your immune system stronger & more "bulletproof". I can understand all the hate & envy though, because South Korea is saturated with so many music labels & so many bands, especially in the KPop industry, that people have to pick & choose which bands they have to invest their time, money & emotion into & when a new band comes along, it threatens all your efforts in being a fan of your band, so now you want to try to stop the new band from taking over so that they don't invade the space that your band is at. Whatever the case, it's a bad attitude & environment to do that in the first place. I just had a run-in recently with an extreme Blink (or Blonk) here on RUclips who was trashing BTS, but I was able to debate & argue as mature as possible & I believe I was able to come out on top, heh.
As some of the other comments already said, a big part of this 'controversy' was the poor translation cuz for example the line "girls are like an equation, us guys just do them" a better translation would've been "girls are like an equation, us guys just try to solve them". I mean that line alone already makes a big difference, so they really did not deserve all that backlash tbh. It really affected BTS and especially RM but the fact that he apologized and since then even had his lyrics looked over by a women's studies professor, that really shows you what kind of person he is. He took that opportunity and turned it into something positive, to self-reflect and become more aware of issues related to gender equality. You don't see many people do that and that's why i respect him so much as a person. 💜💜
I feel so sad when J-Hope said in a vlog, that no one came to his profil and leave any comments around 2013-2014 when people put him down. no he is loved by millions off Armys, fighting J-Hope
i don’t think that the war of hormone lyrics were misogynistic. it was just a bit horny, cute and cheesy😭 there was definitely more misogynistic kpop songs.
Fr. They said that they were making fun of the teenagers who would make these comments about women because they're going their puberty obviously the hormones are raging and they obviously want sex. (The teenagers not BTS.)
Right! If anything, it's one of the few songs I know where boys address that time of puberty while remaining respectful and complimentary to women, but also not using common lyrics you often find in boy group songs. "If the standard of beauty is the ocean, you’re the deep ocean itself. A cultural asset of beauty that should be taken care of on a national level" - That's cute!
@@alexis.george Yeah and most of the stuff they said I thought was sweet. " From your head to your toes you're the best" if a guy said that to me I wouldn't be like " oh so your sexist?!🤬" The hell?
@@Izzy_Wild Exactly!
@@alexis.george right! the lyrics were quite cute and cheesy. there was nothing wrong about it😭
Dude I actually have a friend who saw RM in person when he was going for a walk in Korea and he said he look fcking intimidating but maybe because he was wearing leather jacket and all black lol but because we see rm's fun side and how he is like with friends etc we know how goofy and clumsy he is but my friend said if you just saw him in streets he just get this feeling of boss and leadership aura from him lmao i guess i will never know 🥲
Like a lot of army I didn't really think much of the lyrics but what really stood out was the way they responded to it. Most people would rather pretend that they have never made a mistake ever, rather than acknowledge and make a mends when someone calls them on something. For that response alone, it made me love them all the more. And they have grown from the experience. Unfortunately we have a group of "fake" army within the fandom that are constantly trying to sabotage the boys. I believe the misogynistic lyrics and the J-Hope twitter trend were created from that group. Armys are at a number now that I don't think that would happen so easily now.
And I can't thank you guys enough for taking a moment to reflect on your reaction. That kind of reflective pause is very much appreciated, by me at least. I wish more men would do that. Hitting the subscribe button just for that. Borahae manitos!
Japanese and Korean may have similar grammatical structure but they are completely different. There may be few words that Koreans picked up when Korea was colonized by Japan for 35 years but that's about it.
As a Korean(mom with 2 grownkids) I find nothing wrong with this song. They were just treated badly and unfair.
Thanks!💜
27:47 armys would never forget how shady and disrespectful Suho to namjoon in this episode. this was hard to watch when this came out as he intentionally embarrassed rm, but good thing rm is not only smart, hes also a good person so he handled everything like a champ he is ;)
and as a woman, about the war of hormone, they just literally sang what a boy going through puberty/hormonal teenager usually thinks or feels when attracted to females. although i also think there are better words that couldve been used to convey the message without offending someone but its still not something i would consider as misogynistic. ive heard WAY worse lyrics that are just purely objectifying women in songs that were even topping charts.
how did he shade rm? I can't find any clips of it :( I generally can't watch people being mean to bts but i want to know regardless so i can further understand what they went through
@@alicewalker1392 it trended on twitter just few days ago when the clip surfaced again. you can search this episode just put 'problematic men'. he talked about rm's leadership and couldn't accept it when the judges chose rm as the best leader instead of him
@@luna-kb2jp Thank you!!!
@@luna-kb2jp oh wow, just saw the clip and that was so damn shady!!! joon is a class act for not snapping back
@@alicewalker1392 he's better than me, i wouldve snap back lol 😭
Most people didn't have any issues with War of Hormone and saw it as a silly song about some of the emotions that come with being a teenage boy (most of the drama was from antis and people wanting to jump on something). My goodness the lyrics in western songs are SOOOOOOO much worse. I do appreciate the guys self reflecting and getting some review of their lyrics to make sure they aren't off track but I also feel bad for them because as poets and artists they have to edit themselves in a way that in my opinion can take away from their sense of freedom to express themselves. they are so humble and earnest that it hurts my heart a little, not gonna lie. Thanks for being awesome. Love ya'll Chaotic Line! Much Apreeeesh!
RM is the heart of the group! ❤️
I think War of Hormones was intented to show what young men battle with and is totally inoffensive. I think too many expect idols to be saints and some fans even treat them like babies who dare not have those thoughts. It's not only rap that has racy lyrics but it's probably the most extreme. I love the song and the MV! 😊
That confident "1" from Jmac then the side-eye from the two was funny 🤣
War Of Hormones being misogynistic was blown out of proportion
it seems like the translation was twisted and we all know how a word can mean so many things
And there are people who made a bad narrative out of it.
I as a woman and a mother who grew up listening to music from my country and western music knows that there are other songs that are a 1000x more bad than that song😊
And on a side note I want to say MARAMING SALAMAT AMP THEORY 💜
Yeah. And HELLO everyone sang and danced to Blurred Lines and My Humps with nary a peep
So happy you are sharing your journey with us. One of the reasons I suggest The Rise of Bangtan series to reactors who watch BTS videos is because you learn so much about the individuals who make up BTS. In addition, you learn why the ARMYs are so dedicated and protective of them. If you come for BTS, you have to deal with the wrath of the ARMYs which is why some call us crazy but that's because they haven't taken the time to really learn about the members and our bond. When reactors take the time to watch this series they say I get it now. I understand why the ARMYs are is so protective of BTS. So happy to have you as part of the BTS ARMY family🙂💜!
35:00 yes.
And no matter how it's compared to others lyrics I think it was really good they took the critique and learnt from it.
Way to many army just defend it with "boys being boys" (also said about pushing the girl into the locker and then dragging her by her wrist into a classroom and her showing no resistant as if it's normal or ok in Boy in Luv korean title is 상남자 meaning Manly Men) and "it's nothing compared too..." And I do not think it was that bad either that it should have blown up to much but I think that in the end it was good that it made them consider their lyrics impact and I think it helped to lead to the BTS we have today.
Korea has a lot to work on when it comes to discrimination, misogyny etc, they talked about it when they went to the UN last year with the former president and now with Korea having a new president that wanna take away the little anti discrimination protection there is it is even more important not to act as if words and actions doesn't matter.
I think BTS are as great as they are because they listen and learn.
There are a lot of homophobic stuff that are normalized in the world and even if that or racist remarks etc sometimes are just "jokes" and not as bad as in other places etc doesn't mean it should be said at all. So why use lyrics that can hurt or further normalize misogyny?
how bts responded, learned and reflected upon themselves with the promise to do better and get more educated on these topics is commendable and that alone gets so much respect in my book but the absolute dogpilling they endured, hate, insults was very unnecessary and undeserved. and its still brought up and used to this day. because u could not tell me there arent worse songs in the kpop sphere (not even talking abt wester songs) that never got even a FRACTION of the things that were hurled at the guys just because everyone the media, kpoppies, other companies were ganging up on the small fry in an attempt to ruin them.
so while i agree with what u said but at the same time what a lot of armys say like "its nothing compared to.." is still true too though. two things can be true at the same time.
+ the fact that out of all of this they havent performed the song for years is so :// like the song would bang live at their concert. hell even if its like a one time performance during muster/festa but i get why they probably wont perform it sigh
yey! your rise of bangtan reactions are now my fave. 🥹
I’ll never forget seeing them in NY in 2015 for their red bullet tour..I’m still upset I didn’t get the full experience since they had to do cut it short
Our Namjoonie is so phenomenal… that he chooses to Be himself thru so many phases of chaotic feelings/criticism etc is a massively empowering reminder in everyday life of judgement/s everywhere. Thx for reviewing another ep of RISE OF BANGTAN 👏🏼🫰🏼
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I don't like that men in hip-hop only talk about women's bodies but I get bts's War of hormone concept describing what teenager boys feel like plus I like the song
Thank you for your responses to the WOH misogynist controversary. Yes, there are much worse songs, and yes, they didn't intend offense. But to understand that it is a teachable moment is HUGE! That's what BTS and RM did. The allegations may have been unfair, but they focused on learning from it, learning more about women's issues, and making efforts to make sure their lyrics would not be taken that way again.
yes exactly! u said it perfectly
Just subscribed to your new channel, I love your shout out in tagalog. Repping Philippines. I was waiting on this episode of Rise of Bangtan :)
I've been binge watching your reactions and I don't usually comment when I see that a lot of people have talked about it, but I just want to answer your question with how similar Japanese and Korean are, the short answer is, it's not similar at all 😆 I studied japanese and although I'm not very fluent in it, I understand enough to translate audios. And I can't understand a thing in Korean lol. Although Korea was colonized by Japan for several decades, the only similarities they have in language are loan words borrowed/adapted from Chinese and English as well as a bit of sentence structure. Writing system is a bit similar in structure, but completely different in characters. They both know a bit of Chinese characters though since it's still being taught in schools, I think around elementary years for about 3rd or 5th grade? The members just know Japanese since they studied it too. Namjoon is definitely fluent enough to communicate, Jin studied a bit so he's got the pronunciation spot on and it's pretty good, the rest of the members knows some phrases and words.
Not only K-pop artists, most non-Japanese singers in Asia see Japan as a stepping stone of the global market. Back in the 80's, artists in HK (where I come from) collaborated with Japanese musicians, such as Anzenchitai and Kitaro, in all sorts of ways.
the War of Hormone backlash come from haters and anti, and specially others Kpop fandom, not from fans. As a woman, I can't see a single mysogistic lyric in this song, witch reflected the ebullition of hormone every teenager comes through (even girls, we are not pure spirits !! ) It was just one of the bullet haters shhot against BTS, and it still upset me, but I'm happy and proud that they grown from this experience.
That filipino greeting at the beginning caught me off guard 😂 magandang umaga gentlemen
Looks like you got lots of viewers from the Philippines. Me included. Anyway we are your fourth members.Thanks for thinking of us.
No they were not misogynistic. I believe it was the same forces that started it..the same forces that started the rumors about plagiarism, buying their own albums and so one…and the translation we heard in the video was interpreted wrong by the dude in the the video..Girls are like an equation, guys just do them,yup..it does not have quite that meaning in Korean as the meaning in English suggests. I think it was just honest lyrics about hormones and girls. Quite sweet from young men. Than you..🙂🇳🇴💜
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I'm a 38yr old woman and War of Hormones is one of my favorites. I have always found it to be a cute and funny song. I think that people need to realize exactly what being misogynistic is and that song does fit to that word definition. Also, they were 17 to 21 and I think they showcased the very basic male thoughts well.
Sometimes I feel folks put way "to much" thought and emotion into lyrics and don't just enjoy it for entertainment. Yes BTS is very poignant and have deep meaning in most songs, but some are just feel good, have fun, enjoyable music.
Really enjoy watching y'all!💜💜
Okay, about War of Hormone, that was definitely blown out of proportion. It was cheeky and truthful but not offensive. The translation was also not very well done. “여자들은 방정식 우리 남자들은 해” technically means “girls are equations, us boys do (solve) them”. But the way korean is structured, you don’t need an actual verb there. So they just use the 하다 verb which is generic to mean “to do”- something. And in this sentence, what is the subject? It’s “girls who are like equations.” So when they say, we “do them”, it means to solve the equation.
Haters intentionally misunderstood and blew shit up and for some reason, some ARMYs also latched on to that and made things so hard for BTS at the time.
Yes, I’m proud of how BH and Namjoon reacted and there is always something to learn from how people react but it was also unnecessary and caused irreparable pain to them.
War of Hormones was a satirical commentary on puberty, making cheeky statements about teenage boys and their hormones. The entire album was about the dark twists and turns of young men coming of age. It was very much a part of their journey.
Magandang gabi guys! Annyeong!
I don’t have a problem with the lyrics in War of Hormone or any BTS songs. The only thing I have ever found offensive by them was the Boy in Luv music video. The slamming the girl into the locker & grabbing her wrist was unsettling to me. BUT I absolutely love all the boys & don’t think that any of them would ever actually be like that.
I also want to say though that although I didn’t find the lyrics offensive I really respect & appreciate their response. I’m glad they care about how they make people feel. I believe it is one of the things so many of us love most about BTS…their hearts & how they treat others.
Jin immediately apologised to the actress after completing his act of supposedly slamming her into the locker, not his normal behaviour at all, but as he was an acting student firstly they would have used him to act it out.
@@anneverwey1714 Yes I know he apologized & like I said I don’t believe any of them would ever be like that but it was still a poor choice & a mistake to have in the music video in my opinion. May not have been any of them that made the decision. I do know I’m not alone in how I feel about it because every other person I know (male or female) that has seen the video has had a shocked reaction to that. Like I said I love the boys & think the world of them. People make mistakes.
@@KW-tc6rk that is the point...they probably wanted to show how youngsters are at this age ...they don't think much just go mad when in love and then their next songs followed with how they get mature and handle love... it's the complete story of a person's growth we have seen from the start untill now
@@gamishboy1605 I don’t know anyone that acted like that at that age. Maybe it’s a cultural difference I don’t know. But if a guy did that to a girl at school when I was growing up first he would have gotten his butt kicked by every other guy around, second he would have been suspended from school. Again, love BTS but it was poor judgement by someone to have that in their video. Sorry if we don’t agree but there is literally no valid excuse for it in my opinion. Abusive relationships are a problem I’m sure world wide. That is what that was right there…abusive & controlling. It was a poor decision. I don’t know whose decision it was. It very likely could have been the director of the MV & probably was. But the question was asked as females have we been offended by their lyrics & I answered not their lyrics. But this is the only thing I have ever found offensive by them. And again love them, don’t believe that is who they are but it still was a a mistake. It’s okay if we disagree.
@@KW-tc6rk again, Jin was acting, stress acting, you could see he didn’t like doing it, it was obviously going against his nature. He was given a role to play, at that stage I don’t think the Boys had much influence on the movie videos they were making, they did as they were directed I assume the actress had no say either, otherwise she could have objected, I have noticed in the dramas I have seen from South Korea that it is quite common for a female to vent her anger at a man by slapping him, I’m sure that that is not a common event either, but they are acting a role, people have to realise the difference, boys and girls do do stupid things that they later regret it, is all part of the learning process, if it had been real the girl would have probably kicked him in the shins and told him to get off of her, only right. In this case I believe everything happening was exaggerated and maybe, just maybe, it was meant to shock and be commented on, so young men could learn that it is not acceptable in the real world.
My respect and admiration for RM is sky-high
When I first heard WoH I saw it as satire/commentary on how people excuse guys’ behavior because “they can’t help it” or “can’t control themselves.” I guess poor translation and lack of understanding nuances did them dirty, but they carried on and grew from it.
namjoon is an amazing leader and person he's so mature and responsible and clumsy and cute at the same time he's a pressure soul
First thank you guys for reaction. Speaking of BTS lyrics being misogynistic in Korea is a joke. I’m Korean American and I did corporate Korea for 6yrs in 2000’s and when I was there pretty much all pop especially idol music was and is still in other groups nothing but misogynistic. Are you kidding me one of the biggest reason I don’t listen to any girl groups from Korea is tasteless to me. Some of the girls group be dancing on the pole! Yes freaking pole dancing for their choreography. We all know BTS music is G rated that’s why they have each single projects so they can say s**t. Thanks again for genuine reaction. Go BTS and ARMY!
You guys should react to Bts reacting to their old pics and videos 😊
I don't think it's so much a matter of national culture but more of generational culture. Younger millennials and Gen Z's tend to be less tolerant of certain expressions especially when they are in any form of discriminatory tone, which I think is okay. I'm not exactly a fan of those lyrics but I'm certainly not worked up by them. However, I think those that found some offense in the lyrics should also be respected, we should find an opportunity to discuss these things and learn from one another regardless of our backgrounds.
That said, what's more admirable about BTS especially RM and their company is that they were not defensive about the lyrics but instead took accountabilty and explored ways on how they can be better in the way they write songs. In fact, RM has said in some interviews that he even consults professors who specialize in these topics to review his lyrics to make sure they're not misogynistic or discriminatory in any way. That's so rare for artists these days - integrity, accountability, an effort to be upright, using their fame and artistry as platforms to champion social justice. But that's how BTS is, especially RM. They make an effort to be excellent human beings even though it's hard.
They said from the start of their careers that they will stand for justice especially for the young people. They've always taken that seriously. They take that seriously until now. That's the reason why they are credible voices worthy of being heard up to the halls of the United Nations and the White House. We stand with Bangtan Sonyeondan because they stand for all of us. 😊💜
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I was waiting for this video 😝 love your reactions
Guys Please react to Namjoon's serious leader moments that lowkey intimidates me! PLEASE!
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my man's really said "all jokes aside" when he's the one who started the jokes!! XD
Glad you had a good time with this one! We did too - Scott
Did you already react to ch 6 bonus and deleted scenes or can I not find the video?
I was literally wondering about that and went straight here in the comments😅😂
It will be coming Thursday! We had to switch it up a little this week!
React to “Kim Taehyung burning the stage with his charisma (BTS V best fancams compilation)” pleaseee
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I grew up listening to Reggaeton, there's nothing more misogynist than those lyrics so to me WOH is nothing bad, I LOVE that song, plus from what I've read many many times, the translation to that part of the song is wrong and every ARMY knows this, I wish they'd play it again 🤞🏻💜
I love this episode focused on our Namjoonie ❤
Thanks guys for another fun video ✋🏻✨
The Lyrics aren't bad, it's just part of growing up. BTS expressing and Showing their younger days of being teenage boys thru lyrics. It ain't no harm. I don't see anything bad, from what I've heard in the past. I say it was Just haters and media Looking for attention. BTS are Great, Loving and scaring guys. Fighting 💪💜🤟 BTS forever
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Hi Guys! Excited to watch this, but did you miss the deleted and bonus scenes for chapter 6?
They said it’s coming Thursday! They had to switch it up a little this week
*so..let me clear the misunderstanding k-popies hv and few Armys hv about this song which was blown out of proportion by h@ters & Antis to create drama that time, which worked cuz k-popies & media latched on it...*
Let's be real, War of Hormones wasn't misogynistic. It was just an honest song about what guys in that age range go through. They were straight up saying that they struggle with their hormones when they see a pretty girl, and guess what? That's just being honest. The title itself gives a clear idea to how they see it. A war. An internal conflict. And it's true to what guys in their late teens and early 20s go through. Bangtan has always been about talking about their experiences and being a voice of people their age.
The entire album, Dark & Wild, was really just about the turmoils of young adulthood. In the title of the album too, you can already tell what the sentiment was going to be. The first 3 albums spoke about school and issues of teens. And then from there, the darker days of coming to terms with adulthood. And then the HYYH series. Everything was thematic with stories they wanted to tell as they go through life.
Antis and fans of other groups were just grasping at straws to find something to shit on and unfortunately the media picked up on it and then some ARMY took it as truth and they themselves started talking as if the song was offensive. It isn't. We need to stop spreading this story as if BTS were misogynistic boys who needed to learn a lesson. Yes, Namjoon has learned a lot from the experience and has gone out of his way to speak to experts in women's studies, but I'm sure that whole ordeal also caused him unnecessary pain.
*My take on it*
I don't see anything wrong with the lyrics of the song. All boys go through puberty and the things BTS sung in this are just reflective of their experience going through that phase in their lives. This is the reason I love them and their songs.. they didn't hide anything and covered all the feelings/thoughts of a person who is in his/her adolescent...one can see them growing up from then till today…I personally don't find the lyrics offensive and “most” Armys as well..as I agree they are expressing the struggles of dealing with hormonal changes in adolescence, and I'm sorry but sexual attraction is the number one pressing issue in most hormonal teens regardless of gender. There's a couple of issues I take with people who found this offensive. First, the double standard. You can't tell me young women were purely innocent in their thoughts and feelings as they watched these young men dance and sing, they just didn't make a song about it, at least not publicly. Secondly, the entire concept BigHit wanted from BTS is a representation of the youth culture and the issues youth deal with as seen and heard through the lyrics and music of BTS, and of course everyone has or will experience sexual attraction. Yes, they refer to see through clothing and high heels etc, but I've seen hundreds of posts referring to JK's abs, Jimin's body rolls and shoulder "accidents" Tae's tongue...you get the idea, and while many comments aren't necessarily teens it's not a problem. There can only be an issue if the lyrics were implying that I'm only attracted to girls who wear heels and sheer clothing, not sneakers and sweats. Anyone who has experienced adolescence knows however that if they're sexually attracted to someone the person could easily walk around in a potato sack and an adolescent would still be entranced.
A lot of people were offended by that line, "Girls are equations and us men just do them". Personally, I took it as "do them" meant they were puzzles to be solved, not a sexual act. RM was honestly shocked that people were offended by the lyrics and that they could be considered misogynistic. It was definitely a learning experience for him. He apologized and has since run his lyrics through a few professionals in women's studies before releasing a new song. They don't really release songs like this any more. But to that a korean Army said translation in English were a bit off, which lead to misunderstandings and explained it saying : “I was kinda surprised it's translation was "do" because that part "do them" CAN actually sound offensive to some people, because the meaning of that word 'do' is not clear. However I can clearly say that it's not meant that way, and Korean version lyrics tell that. Words are more specific, and not controversial in Korean version lyrics, because it doesn't say 'do. That part in Korean is 여자들은 방정식 우리 남자들은 해 which says we men are 해 is a word for mathematics, and it means the 'answer/the final number'. So it means they solve. the complex minds of the girls. 해 DOES have the meaning of 'do' too, but its not appropriate to translate this part of the lyrics that way, because if u say it means "do them, it doesn't fit the sentence there. Since there's no Objectives for that Verb 'do' and that's... kinda awkward. plus. the context and meaning of the whole sentence is talking abt mathematics and Equations so what u said is true. It doesn't mean sexual way”
BTS hv made few mistakes unknowingly early in their career and said things which can be considered offensive, as they were young but they hv re-educated themselves, apologized and never repeated the mistakes again..but I hv seen many k-popies and so called Multi Armys twisting many things because of that..take for example this song.. it's blown out of the proportion just to cause drama..and they were sadly successful in that..haters/antis tried every lil thing to bring BTS down & sabotage their career ngl..
*Now last but not the least* ..when this controversy happened, When joon apologized, The one thing that struck me about that was a part in the statement saying they took so long to apologize because they wanted to understand what exactly was the issue... And that part I definitely liked, I've never been a fan of blanket apologies.. BTS always try to understand the problem & try to improve..joon apologized because as the controversy was over "ppl were offended", he apologized for the ppl who were offended by this song, that doesn't mean the song was wrong, he was kind enough to take responsibility for it, ofc bighit & BTS took this issue (which was blown out of proportion) and apologized so that this unwanted drama surrounding the song would end (isn't that common sense) he sincerely apologised..but that doesn't mean that WOH is misogynist or objectifying women..like the title itself clears it out! "War of hormones" what ppl expected form this song to be like seriously?! Ppl who still want to believe that WOH is objectifying women are really dumb for me..
*I'm out* 🚶🏻♀️🚶🏻♀️🚶🏻♀️
I never thought of war of hormones as misogynistic song I actually like it it's a fun and cheesy song the translation twisted the actual lyrics in korean and haters saw it as a chance to attack the boys but they learned from it especially rm
those mf who hated on jhope drives me crazy like how can you call our sunshine ugly 😤 jhope is a handsome cute man he's an incredible person a good rapport a stunning dancer he's a whole packed
Today BTS already said what they want to say at the White House so If you don't mind reacting, It would be much appreciated!
i don't know if someone's already said this but the creator of the rise of bangtan actually posted on her community tab that she plans to end the series at chapter 23. so there's only two more chapters to go:((
We still have a long way to go on our journey but it is sad to know they will come to an end! - Scott
Joonie so adorable 💘 i can't...
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Are you going to keep posting the bonus and deleted scenes for these videos? Great reaction!! 💜💜💜
Let you know to react to those types of videos you say...Well once again could you react to Kim seokjin:a documentary..And watch it with us for the first time..do it want to spam or anything but I think it'll be really beneficial in understanding him and his growth😏
But also yea would love to see you react to namjoon serious leader moments that low-key intimidate me if your talking about that video
As well as more specific member centered videos please, cause there are a bunch out there if you look (and drunk bts videos..just look up that and you'll see what i mean when i say there are plenty of different videos)
Korean Chinese and Japanese sharing the same origin but the differences is Japanese and Chinese doesn't have honorifics level in their language meanwhile Korean does have it. And also the loaned words Japanese and Korean loves being modern and trendy meanwhile Chinese chose to be original by using their own language to calling things even they tried to saying things they will still spoke it but with their Chinese accent
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I have been listening to Korean music since 2000 ish.
WoH are not misogynistic for me, as I've encountered many other women stating so. They are satire about how hormones dominate their bodies. And to my experience of having more male friends than not, seem accurate.
Having listened to Korean music before and after, the problem only arises when it's B-T-S (I'm not even bringing western songs to the topic). Many singers and bands have written worse and still write worse. Not an eyebrow is up.
Since day 1, the general public (and the haters) are on their backs as if they had to be THE perfect idols, when none was. THE perfect lyricists, THE perfect social problem communicators or whatever.
Good for them to not remain silent then, even acknowledging it could be viewed as such (not that it was such), and educate themselves. Even yesterday Eddie Nam (some will know who he is, some not, Nam brothers are good people too!) tweeted "It doesn't take any effort NOT to talk,
I don't know any artist that goes beyond the gaslighting "I'm sorry YOU took my words wrong". Till today, in the White House, they are faced with burdens one after another. Everyone wants them to be perfect, and wanted them since day 1. Fortunately, they are such precious human beings (not gonna say the only ones) and have taken this burden graciously. And I cannot be more proud of them (we all army feel like proud mamas and papas seeing them up there T-T).
I lived the twitter trends attacks. And they are awful. Still are. To this day, sometimes some things resurface and when some fandom wants to fight you they go to really really nasty lengths. With Hobi and all the members, really. Same or different topics. Mr Jung Hoseok not only pops and locks, he won a national competition and won popularity award in another company competition, he has great lyricism and rhythm sense... So, after that, they all took 3-4 days off :) as you see from their respective hometown vlogs. (remember Jimin and JK are both from Busan, and Tae and Yoongi from Daegu, different areas though)
Yoongi birthdays were special... until you see people selling the stuff on ebay :_( (I guess it's ok if you TRULY need the money and are sad to part with it).
Remember 2014 he made 300 handwritten notes and snacks bags! He added 50 more after, because more people appeared than expected. Then now in 2015 he wrote again notes and gifted transportation cards. :_)
As a language learner: Japanese and Korean have only grammar in common as both are SOV languages and use of particles. The writing and vocabulary are each their own, apart from few similar words or words picked up from western languages (like "Arbeit" from German, which they refer to part-time jobs). Japanese adopted Chinese characters, but retained their pronunciation AND the Chinese one. Korean use Chinese character for official names and I think that's it :) (Like "House of Justice" or the names of people, as to separate meanings due to multiple homonyms).
It has nothing to do with Spanish-Portuguese-Italian-French all from Latin descent (being Spanish even somewhat derived/diverged from Portuguese - I'm Spanish). Korean comes (presumably) from Manchuria, vast northern area of China (historically important) and Japanese is an isolated language, for some time scientists were relating it to Finnish (also a "lost" language, as Basque is in the North of Spain).
So yeah, the guys have to remember their songs in Korean AND Japanese, and even I have trouble singing to the different lyrics, even though Japanese is easier for me. Plus English now. Oh, they sang Boy in Luv in Chinese too!!! ^^ they are great hehe.
The show Problematic Men is awesome. He (Joon) and the company took the opportunity as free promo for the group :) (as ASC, Hello Counselor and others less gracious with them --> that's why they did Run BTS). You have to notice that the questions were in English sometimes, so they are not easy for Korean people (the tricky ones are even difficult for some native English speakers too!). Anyway, HE JUST REUNITED WITH THE CAST!! T-T He posted photos having dinner with them, and you don't understand the nostalgia. Beautiful.
BORN SINGER!!! #1 Track in the CD 1 of their first Anthology Album! :_)
@The AMP Theory, Will you be reacting to the BTS to speak to President Biden at The White House on behalf of the asian hate crimes that have been going on in United States and also to address diversity! Today is the last day of the month of May which is AANHPI ( American Asian native Hawaiian Pacific islanders) this is a really important thing that they have done! they also have spoken at the United Nations several times and it never ceases to amaze me how articulate and humble and how much they have spread positivity!💜🙏🏼
Maybe due to the fact I grew up in the United States I didn’t see War of Hormones to be bad at all or misogynistic. I mean I’m used to hearing “I like big butts”, “Shake Your Rump”, “Salt Shaker”, “Back That A** Up” and many many other songs similar. Soooooo
I love war of hormone so much and I didn't find the lyrics to be misogynistic.. The issue went out of hand because of haters
Korean & Japanese have a similar grammatical format like with suffixes and characters. In my opinion though and it could be just due to the fact i watch a lot of Korean content, Korean is easier.
It's my opinion that Bangtan became the Bangtan we love because of RM's leadership and guidance. He's introspective, open-minded, wise beyond his years and the perfect leader. While BTS has done some things that are questionable in the past, I truly believe they learned and grew from it. As for the War of Hormones lyrics, I have no problem with it tbh. Just because a song talks about a woman's body doesn't mean it's objectifying women, smh. But cancel culture is strong in the k-pop world, especially when it comes to BTS. So BTS got a lot of undeserved backlash for that song. Too bad they don't perform it anymore.
Please react to bts being the funniest idols by SugArmyy, bts telling taehyung how handsome he is by Vts ot7 and taejin moments that make me soft
WofH is not misogynistic. I think people were just looking to complain or even journalists wanting attention to their their writing.
The second verse of rap after rm is sang by Jungkook but they changed it here I don't know why
Yeah it’s way different than America Korea is a very conservative country even nothing like holding hands Might seem like nothing in America but is it very big thing in Korea so the line about (just doing girls )that’s a very big thing in Korean and just a warning their bond is very strong and it might seem weird to Americans but in Korea it’s not really a big thing so they can hug they can hold hands and it’s not a big thing in Korea I think the thing that crosses the line is than being killed I don’t have a problem with it the Koreans deal especially older Koreans
I personally have no problem with the lyrics other than they're incredibly adolescent and cheesy; but then, I understand it's an unfiltered song about puberty, and objectively I quite appreciate that transparency from the writers. Also, WOH is a catchy song; I rarely describe things as cringe-worthy, but I have to say I did cringe when I first heard it. 😅 This is with the thinking that I could say those lyrics to ANY gender, and it would still sound horny and laughable. It didn't stop it being a bop though, and I just laughed through the secondhand embarrassment, watching the boys act like clueless dorks.
I think I feel like this because I've heard worse songs growing up. While that doesn't invalidate the negative connotations and feelings it drew from other people, I love how seriously BH and BTS took the criticism. Critics would say that BTS didn't have to make that song, and the bare minimum artists who HAVE written the same objectifying lyrics is to acknowledge their mistake and apologize. Yet, BH and BTS did not only address the issue with an explanation and heartfelt apology, they never let ARMY forget that they made this mistake. They reinvented themselves and showed that they were asking for help to be better. They kept communication open with their fans, with their critics, with their mentors... And they took their public's hand and gave the responsibility of checking and balancing them as they grew big. It's not often that artists do that.
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Korean and japanese do not sound the same , different alphabets but it does have the same formation . Have similar sentence structure and grammar but the words and the pronounciation all differ . Both languages do still use some chinese characters and words but both korean and japanese have its own alphabet with the minor use of chinese characters , it is easier for korean to learn japanese and vice versa than it is to learn englisn or french etc . Koreans do not automatically understand or grasp japanese and vice versa without learning the language .. japanese was forced unto the koreans before independence decades ago so the generations that speak japanese in korea are either dead or very old.. bts grandparents def spoke japanese , v grew up in his grandparents home ,, so japanese is a language he picked up frm his grandparents .
Japanese, chinese, korean don't sound the same totally different characters and pronunciation
People are way too easily offended these days, though I think that the majority of the controversy over WoH was due to fan wars or something (I don’t know which group’s fandom started it, some people have said Exo in the comments? But idk). Even in Korea, there were songs that were way more objectifying and such towards women out at the time. I do appreciate how you guys acknowledged that maybe you’re missing some cultural context, cause yeah, in America, rap is prolly the most misogynistic genre out there. But the song was literally a satiric commentary on how hormones make people (including girls) think and do stupid things as teenagers and young adults, and that’s a universal phenomenon, across all cultures. It’s a shame that they don’t perform it anymore, cause the song is so catchy and the choreo is really fun. I’m also not one of those people who say “well, they learned from their mistakes” because I don’t think it was a mistake to begin with. Or misogynistic at all (I shouldn’t have to say this to validate my opinion, but yes, I am a woman). But I respect that they chose to handle it in such a way, even if I don’t think it was necessary.
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It was outrageous, and nothing hate. There was nothing wrong with war of hormones
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Funny since WOH made me a fan so...
Are you not going to react to the rise of bangtan next chapter???? Please reply.
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There was nothing bad in there lyrics it was just haters starting crap as usual. They always trying to bring BTS down.
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Since we have a different culture
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I think being loyal isnt the reason why. I guess it's hard for reactors ro srick with only 1 artist to react to. For me, it's ok for reactors ro like others as well even if they like them more than bts. But what's important for me is when you react, be real, make it genuine. If you dont like it say it in a good way, if you like ir donr overreact. There are tons of overacting reactors that are reallt annoying lol
You guys missed rms born singer lyrics😞
I think the misogynistic about the war of hormones is ridiculous, I as a girl love the song and thinks it’s good. It was the haters that just wanted to stop bts from growing that just said those types of things. There is a lot of songs that are much worse then the war of hormone, could you please react to the music video of war of hormones
Would appreciate if you press the pause button when commenting and want to talk about something so you wouldn’t miss important part of the video…..talking over the video is kinda annoying ✌️
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The war of hormones wasn't a misogynistic song. Heck the song in the USA are worse. Most rappers be rapping about strippers twerking at the club and that was considered "cool". Even that Robin Thicke Blurred Lines offended me more than War of Hormones.
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