Ask a Luthier - Fallen Violin Sound post - How To Fix It?

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  • Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024

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  • @TheJannasmith
    @TheJannasmith 4 года назад +3

    Fixing the that sound post would actually make a great ASMR

  • @fiddlefaddle1
    @fiddlefaddle1 5 лет назад +13

    Friendly tip, I use a guitar capo whenever I take the strings off just at the tailpiece. Not only is it quicker but, since it stops them from moving at the place that I put the capo, it keeps the strings from getting crisscross, even in the pegbox.

    • @bennyblanko3
      @bennyblanko3 2 года назад +1

      I've used your tip on violins, and guitars if I want to adjust a saddle on certain bridges. So, thanks a lot!

  • @sankarbandyopadhyay4789
    @sankarbandyopadhyay4789 5 лет назад +28

    Yes, the background music is disturbing. Make it low.

    • @debbiestowell8607
      @debbiestowell8607 Год назад

      I agree-very useful video, but I like the music so much it’s hard to focus on the instructions 😂. Lower the music please

  • @fingerhorn4
    @fingerhorn4 4 года назад +1

    They both make this look a lot easier than it usually is. The average person will "lose" the soundpost a few times and have the frustration of getting it back out of the f holes, and you have to be so careful not to damage the f hole edges. This is way harder than it seems - these guys are super slick at it. Nice job!

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  4 года назад

      Yes, it can take some time before you get a hang of it. It also depends on how handy you are. Thanks :)

  • @rickholly1478
    @rickholly1478 5 лет назад +27

    Great video! Fascinating. However, the background music makes it difficult to concentrate.

    • @TNungesser
      @TNungesser Год назад

      I thought the same concerning the music. If anything turn the music a lot lower.

  • @guymandude999
    @guymandude999 6 лет назад +6

    It would make sense for a beginner to tape off the soundhole with an easily removed painter's tape. Thanks for the great lesson!

  • @MysticHeather
    @MysticHeather 3 года назад

    I just ordered my sound post tools and I can’t wait to get em!!

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for shopping with us!

  • @rogervmantovani
    @rogervmantovani 3 года назад +1

    I loved the explanation and the music. THKS

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  3 года назад

      Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching, Roger!

  • @muse-icality5554
    @muse-icality5554 2 года назад

    Very informative video. I would like to ask a question if you have the time to answer. I've recently been allowed to borrow a violin that seems to be an older model, however there's no marking inside. the only distinction i have found is that the soundpost inside of it appears to have a small bit of TWINE tied around it in a knot. does this mean anything??

  • @JuanRojasfallout4
    @JuanRojasfallout4 7 лет назад +2

    The Music is awesome also does the tool work with a cello.

  • @1cleandude
    @1cleandude 7 лет назад +1

    So the post setting tool has to be sharper than is comes? Every time I insert through the f hole and get it inside the sound post comes off the tip of the tool. I just ordered your other install tool. Thanks Pierre, David

  • @bigtoelittlefinger6133
    @bigtoelittlefinger6133 Год назад

    Class much love from bonnie Scotland I got a paul pally 1886 u made that look easy let's give it a go

  • @hibanasif2955
    @hibanasif2955 3 года назад

    Hi.. My violin sound is too bright I don't like it.. Should I move sound post more to the back To get warm sound? Thanks

  • @jazzye6493
    @jazzye6493 5 лет назад

    I found a Euricus Ceruti fecit Cremona anno 1867 Ivan Dunov Prelude Model 160 violin at a pawn shop, the bridge has fallen it says Despiau France. I haven't found out yet if the sound post is still inside. They are asking $200 including bow and case. Do you think it's worth buying?

  • @CTP8585
    @CTP8585 5 лет назад +1

    Thank you for the demonstration. I believe the video could only tell HALF of the story of what to do. After you have inserted the tool into the violin, no one can see what did you do. Will it be possible for you to show us the hidden procedure by using a transparent violin or using a cut open violin so that we can see how did you move the tool inside the instrument ?
    Another issue is this after the installation of the sound post, how do you use the tools for minor adjustment of the sound post. For example how to use your tool to move it further away from the bridge, or to the right or left of the first inserted position etc ?
    For minor adjustment, do you move the top of the post a little first and then try to move the bottom end of the post in the same amount ???

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  5 лет назад

      Hi! Please check this video out!! I think you will be surprised :) ruclips.net/video/XoX11EAzGX0/видео.html

  • @richardlindsey83
    @richardlindsey83 6 лет назад

    Fiddlerman do you have a video on tailpieces and if not can you make one.

  • @Judexy22
    @Judexy22 4 года назад +2

    Was it Michael who put that Music that high ? !!!! Great Video !

  • @sandyblond20
    @sandyblond20 5 лет назад

    I have the tools, but still, I use only new sound posts everytime because of the ends of them seem to become loose and they are not an expensive part at anytime. What about those new kinds of soundposts of new synthetic materials?

  • @augustinechinnappanmuthria7042

    Sir may I know how far the sound post from bridge

  • @NemoNepersonne
    @NemoNepersonne 3 года назад

    I bought the tools from you but couldn’t figure out how to use them. I sure wish I had watched this first. You should add the link to each tool you sell.

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  3 года назад

      We are so sorry to hear this. We have instruction videos on each product page, sorry that you missed them.

  • @seanleechild
    @seanleechild 4 месяца назад

    I know to change strings one at a time to keep tension on the instrument and avoid the sound post falling. But if the sound post is properly fit and snug, it should NOT fall even with no strings or tension. Correct?

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  4 месяца назад

      Thanks for watching! It may be possible, but it depends on the individual instrument.

  • @mayumiyamamoto283
    @mayumiyamamoto283 6 лет назад +1

    great information, great class, thank you,

  • @Judexy22
    @Judexy22 8 лет назад

    Hi Fiddlerman !
    A little extension in the same video would be very helpful : " How far from the Bridge should the Sound Post stand ? "
    Thanks.

  • @aspektx
    @aspektx 5 лет назад

    This was very informative, thank you.

  • @foghornleghorn1786
    @foghornleghorn1786 4 года назад +24

    GEEEEZZZZ,,,,SHUT THE FRICKEN MUSIC OFF SO WE CAN HEAR WHAT HE'S SAYING!!!!!

  • @charlieharper886
    @charlieharper886 7 лет назад +2

    What violin is Fiddlerman using to demonstrate at the end? Is that one of the models you sell? It's beautiful!

  • @kathleenjanecka8081
    @kathleenjanecka8081 6 лет назад +2

    Help, Irma took my violins all over the Keys, amazingly some were not too bad, but I have my work cut out for me. One of my violins, which looks good, but it sounds like a box. It's not everyday that I adjust sound post, before I botch it up from frustration, thought I'd ask for some directions. The sound post looks ok, but dah, tight, hollow and boxy! Great video, thanks. Kay

  • @bubayou
    @bubayou 8 лет назад

    I recently acquired an old violin that was stored in an attic
    for years. I removed the top to repair some of its’ cracks and noticed the wood
    is quite dry and brittle is there anything I can put on the wood to help
    preserve it that will not total destroy the sound quality of the violin ?

    • @neilphifer2446
      @neilphifer2446 8 лет назад +2

      Hey bubayou,
      It just needs to be hydrated. Just put it in a case with a humidifier. you can use a ordinary kitchen sponge and a sandwich bag with a couple holes in it. Wet the sponge and wring out till damp, place in the bag and put it in the violin case with the violin. It will take 4 or 5 days to hydrate the violin. Make sure to check the violin once a day, so you don't over hydrate. Don't ever put anything on the wood.
      Hope this helps, good luck!

    • @bubayou
      @bubayou 8 лет назад +1

      Thanks for your advice. I'll go ahead and do that. I'll be going to my local Petco to pick up a hygrometer so I can monitor the hydration level of the violin.
      Thanks again

  • @donaldlattimer2736
    @donaldlattimer2736 2 года назад

    Does it not matter how close it is back of the bridge. I am told location can make a big difference in sound.

  • @CraftHouseStudios
    @CraftHouseStudios 5 лет назад

    If you really want to try and set your own soudpost I would recommend the gemini sound post setter and then a sound post retriever tool. The gemini sound post tool is 1000x easier to use then the traditional stick and poke method.

    • @fiddlefaddle1
      @fiddlefaddle1 5 лет назад +1

      ViolinRestorationNC, I disagree. I've seen the Gemini at work and with this soundpost setter, all you have to do is put the soundpost in the springlike cradle and slip it in the f hole and thats it and it has a locator to show exactly where the post is. With the Gemini you have to screw around with the loop and there is no locator to show if it is in the right position, which is crucial.

  • @markcobb6561
    @markcobb6561 6 лет назад

    other than violin, viola, and cello, what other instruments does a luthier work on? would it be all instruments, all strings, are harps and guitars? I'm just finding myself fascinated by the whole process.

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  6 лет назад +1

      Hi Mark! Our luthiers work on violins, violas, cellos and double basses. It's for sure a fascinating process. There are also guitar luthiers, but nothing we work on at Fiddlershop...

  • @henrypagan6657
    @henrypagan6657 4 года назад

    Thanks again for your video

  • @marcopilati7464
    @marcopilati7464 7 лет назад +1

    Very interesting, thanks

  • @evaskjerd
    @evaskjerd 3 года назад

    Background music it’s beautiful🥰

  • @SpeakersIsGod
    @SpeakersIsGod 8 лет назад +10

    music is way too loud to even hear you

  • @mridultomar5671
    @mridultomar5671 6 лет назад +1

    Thank you sir💜

  • @paulengland3054
    @paulengland3054 5 месяцев назад

    And I even bought the “Fiddlershop” tools they have

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  4 месяца назад

      Thanks for watching and for entrusting Fiddlershop with your tool needs!

  • @seonaidoriada1013
    @seonaidoriada1013 4 года назад +1

    And how much does it cost to have this done?

    • @fiddlefaddle1
      @fiddlefaddle1 4 года назад +1

      A luthier would probably charge anywhere between $25 to $75 nowadays. The soundpost adjuster Fiddleman demonstrated is $ 11.95 at Fiddlershop! I bought one. It comes with excellent instructions and it is easy to use.

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  4 года назад +1

      Hi! We charge $15. Sometimes nothing, if you are having other things fixed. Thanks for asking :)

  • @lxfguits
    @lxfguits 8 лет назад

    How tight should it be set? Sort of just as it comes off the tool?

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  8 лет назад

      If you loosen the strings and put the sound post in so that it's snug, it will get tighter as you tune the strings again. If it's too hard, you'll find that the violin will not vibrate as much. It will sound restricted.

  • @DivaDeb1234
    @DivaDeb1234 2 года назад

    My soundpost fell at the local luthier so he made a new one and put it in my violin doesn't sound as good anymore what's the problem?

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  2 года назад

      It could be a couple reasons, including the quality of wood, diameter, fit, and placement of the new soundpost might not be right for your instrument. If you can return to the luthier and clarify what is you miss (depth, projection, clarity, etc) they'd most likely be able to adjust it, let you test, and readjust etc.

    • @DivaDeb1234
      @DivaDeb1234 2 года назад

      @@Fiddlershop he already adjusted it a couple times and I think that may have actually made it worse. I'm going to go to a different movie today I hopefully. My violin used to have a nice sweet deeper sound to it no matter what strings I put on but now it has a very tinny brassy thin sound to it

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  2 года назад

      Oh no, so sorry to hear that. 🥲

    • @DivaDeb1234
      @DivaDeb1234 2 года назад

      @@Fiddlershop me too 😢 .
      At the new luthier he widened the eyes in the bridge and sanded the top also chiseled down the back where it was still completely uncarved he adjusts the sound post again and it actually does sound better but I'm just not sure I'm so picky I just want the absolute perfect violin do you think I could adjust my violin to be perfect or do I have to get a new one?

    • @DivaDeb1234
      @DivaDeb1234 2 года назад

      @@Fiddlershop I also want to ask a question is it okay to take two strings off when you're changing the strings like the G and the d change those and then the A and E and then change those it seems it would be a lot easier but I don't know if it's okay although I did see the luthier do it

  • @evaskjerd
    @evaskjerd 3 года назад +1

    I love J.Haydn❤️

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  3 года назад +1

      So do we! Thanks for watching, Eva!

  • @احمدعفيف-ك6ث
    @احمدعفيف-ك6ث 6 лет назад

    The machine is yellow in color
    Where to get it

  • @ciri151
    @ciri151 5 лет назад +1

    Isn't the sound post supposed to be under the bass side of the strings?

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  5 лет назад

      No, it's supposed to be on the treble side.

    • @ciri151
      @ciri151 5 лет назад

      @@Fiddlershop Oh yes, I confused it with the bass bar.

  • @jasonadams527
    @jasonadams527 7 лет назад

    Plus one on the background music being too loud but this was excellent content. Not just one method but many. GREAT VIDEO!

  • @maenardbuenaventura4686
    @maenardbuenaventura4686 7 лет назад

    what's the title of the music??

  • @Guuzaka
    @Guuzaka 8 лет назад +1

    I wonder if these tools cost a lot, or if it's better to just have a professional fix your string instrument?

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  8 лет назад +1

      These tools are cheap! $10 and $12; fiddlershop.com/accessories/Violin-840144418/tools?sort=p.viewed&order=DESC

    • @Guuzaka
      @Guuzaka 8 лет назад

      Good to know, thanks!

    • @mayumiyamamoto283
      @mayumiyamamoto283 6 лет назад

      here some info check violin accesories on ebay, you will find sets of post setting tools from $9. to $30. from china, free shipping, i have found the cheaper sets are the same as the more exspencive ones just different companies

    • @ericclaey2243
      @ericclaey2243 5 лет назад

      Boycott China products. America has been taken advantage of long enough.

  • @Shasha8674
    @Shasha8674 5 лет назад

    Sound post is under the bridge leg?

    • @CTP8585
      @CTP8585 5 лет назад +1

      The sound post should be positioned BEHIND the bridge leg at a distance of about the same diameter of the post. Minor adjustment of the position of the post is of utmost importance. Installing the post is just the beginning of the task. If the post is too close to the bridge, the sound will be a little harsh , rough sound, more difficult to produce a smooth sound.. Moving it away from the bridge will give a more relaxed sound and it will be easier to produce the sound. However if it is too far from the bridge, the loudness level will drop.

    • @Shasha8674
      @Shasha8674 5 лет назад

      @@CTP8585 Wow! Thank you! I could not get the bridge to stay up and so eventually brought it to a music shop. They changed the sound post to another one ..said the first one was injured, but it was fine when I looked it at it....so $35 more for the new sound post and then he didn't put it right under the bridge leg which you say is good. I don't know how much time he spent finding the right spot for it. This was a new instrument...$104 and looked like the $1400 one he had in the shop. He scolded me for buying such a cheap instrument. I know the bow in cheap/not strongly made. To me the instrument looked like a good quality one...good wood, but strings/tuners are cheap. I just wanted an instrument to play fun sounds on, but I wanted one that was playable/sounded nice. Great answer/insights into it. I didn't want to move the sound post myself. Sound posts are not glued on...just squeezed into position. Thanks for taking the time to help me understand about the sound post location! Happiness...

  • @augustinechinnappanmuthria7042

    Super sir

  • @seonaidoriada1013
    @seonaidoriada1013 4 года назад

    I’d love to learn to do that and to re-hair a bow!!!

    • @arwo1143
      @arwo1143 3 года назад

      Don’t....
      I saw my violin maker repair a bow
      I’m quite gifted when it comes to woodworking and making things that require very precise and meticulous work...
      I made both my own bridge and soundpost
      Don’t touch your bow
      Just don’t

  • @charleshamilton5127
    @charleshamilton5127 4 года назад +9

    The back ground music was interrupting my concentration on what the guy was saying. Could do without the background music. Thanks

  • @christophe2570
    @christophe2570 4 года назад

    The whole time I believed that that notch on the sound post was it splitting or something.omg🤯

  • @stephengray1822
    @stephengray1822 3 года назад

    Why the heck can't it be glued in place?

    • @RolandHutchinson
      @RolandHutchinson 2 года назад

      For the same reason the bridge can't be. The instrument, being made of wood, will expand and contract with changes in temperature and (especially) humidity. This would break any glue bond, unless the glue was too string, in which case it would cause the top or the back to crack in a particularly nasty way.
      Also, we need to be able to move the post around slightly to adjust the sound of the instrument (which can change with the weather or the season).

  • @chandanpiku
    @chandanpiku 5 лет назад

    Awesome

  • @richardlindsey83
    @richardlindsey83 6 лет назад

    Or should i worry about the button??

  • @King.DAVid.III2022
    @King.DAVid.III2022 Год назад

    An old man showed me tie a string on the post work string thru f hole, it's pretty easy. But that's for no tools

  • @saberanouar
    @saberanouar Год назад

    ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @cliffsandifer3877
    @cliffsandifer3877 9 месяцев назад +1

    Foreground music nice ....and a bit loud

  • @TNungesser
    @TNungesser Год назад

    Why don't they use animal glue to glue in the sound post so it doesn't fall?

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  Год назад

      Good question, but it's advantageous to be able to adjust the soundpost to find the best sound. A properly fitted soundpost, and if the instrument is cared for, it shouldn't fall. However, if an instrument has been sitting for years without strings or tension, and maybe has an open seam, or takes a hard fall, then it does happen. But it's not too common otherwise.

  • @anthemlog
    @anthemlog 2 года назад

    Damn shame that I can't afford any tools so I can't play again until I get one.

  • @richardlindsey83
    @richardlindsey83 6 лет назад +1

    I cant get my end button out so i will set it up the second way

  • @EKBJsidelines
    @EKBJsidelines 3 года назад

    I want a violin

  • @RamaOshiLo
    @RamaOshiLo 8 лет назад

    it vital setting,

  • @paulengland3054
    @paulengland3054 5 месяцев назад

    Nice trick photography, the sound post does not come out without removing the top plate

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  4 месяца назад

      Thanks for watching! It does come out without having to remove the top plate :)

  • @benedicttambiga7725
    @benedicttambiga7725 6 лет назад

    not everyone have tools like that
    so can you teach us how to make tools for SoundPost.

    • @metamaggot
      @metamaggot 4 года назад

      Benedict Tambiga you could probably sharpen and bend some old tent pegs to get a usable tool

  • @caringheartsforhorsesoutre8516
    @caringheartsforhorsesoutre8516 2 года назад

    Great video except the volume of the music. Im listening to the music more than the tutorial lol

  • @BzBlade
    @BzBlade 5 лет назад

    you don't have to remove the entire bridge just to get the post out....

  • @daniegrove5658
    @daniegrove5658 Год назад

    The music is so loud in this video 😢 that I can hardly hear the audio...what a pity..

  • @100amps
    @100amps 8 лет назад +7

    I gave up after a minute. The music drowned out half the talking. wtf?

    • @vasudeodate5138
      @vasudeodate5138 6 лет назад

      Ela lag nacho gosht

    • @Crlpope
      @Crlpope 5 лет назад

      music? So that was what that noise was?

  • @DieCastoms
    @DieCastoms 5 лет назад +1

    Turn. Your. Music. Down.
    This is an instructional video, not a music video, your own instruction cannot be heard over some parts of the music . . . .

  • @tomstills5146
    @tomstills5146 3 года назад +1

    DON'T. Stop being thrifty and take it to a professional.

  • @heatheredwards7158
    @heatheredwards7158 3 года назад

    It isn’t quite as easy as they made it out to be. I’m going to gather up all my violin pieces now and take them to a luthier and admit what I tried to do.

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  3 года назад

      So sorry to hear, Heather. Did you use any of the specialized tools?

    • @heatheredwards7158
      @heatheredwards7158 3 года назад

      @@Fiddlershop I did, yes. I tried the first method, and failed miserably.

  • @Tan.dDuong
    @Tan.dDuong 6 лет назад

    Just call someone know how to fix the violin or the shop you bought for help.
    Do your own but don’t know you can fix it DON’T do it yourself it can damage the violin.

    • @ericclaey2243
      @ericclaey2243 5 лет назад

      Every beginner luthier needs to start somewhere.

  • @mutlugundiler4458
    @mutlugundiler4458 2 года назад +1

    My dear, the background music is not adding any value to the lesson. It is so loud and I have to say it is somehow "annoying". You may consider removing it.

  • @guitarsid
    @guitarsid 7 лет назад +1

    camera should be more still.

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  7 лет назад

      Unfortunately our area of expertise is pretty far from video production. We'll try better next time. We don't like to film free-hand anyway, it comes out like this :(

    • @guitarsid
      @guitarsid 7 лет назад

      I was so interested in seeing it, no problem, I edited my sarcasm a bit!

  • @arizwldcat
    @arizwldcat Месяц назад

    You keep using the word “simply” 😂 I
    Don’t think it means what you think it means..

  • @perlaursen1885
    @perlaursen1885 8 месяцев назад +1

    Backing sound too loud, so the speech is ruined. Leave it out.

  • @luigidonolo2138
    @luigidonolo2138 5 лет назад

    Tavola di un violino

  • @imjohnofalltrades
    @imjohnofalltrades 5 лет назад

    Music annoyingly loud.

  • @sebastian._._______5056
    @sebastian._._______5056 3 года назад

    :0 fiddlerman

  • @Kinkle_Z
    @Kinkle_Z 8 лет назад +8

    #1. The background music is SO ANNOYING! Hard to hear the actual instruction.
    #2. Why doesn't Felix use the sound post adjuster that you sell? I know why! Because the one HE uses has a much smaller blade which actually fits into the sound post notch, whereas the one you offer and sent me through your site does not because it's way too big! So why even have that demo since it's impossible with the tool you actually provide?
    #3. I've been trying for 6 hours to reset my sound post exactly following the video demonstration and I have yet to succeed. I will continue trying tomorrow. I think it would be better if someone who had never set a sound post before were in in your demo with Fiddleman instructing them step by step.
    #4. Your website states orders over $20 are free shipping. Yet I was charged $31.94 for a $21.94 order. WHY?

    • @Fiddlershop
      @Fiddlershop  7 лет назад +12

      Sorry about the background music. I'll change the balance in the future. I like listening to music and felt that the balance was good.
      Felix always uses his own tools and you are right, we should have had him use the tool that we sell. However, I (fiddlerman) use that tool with no trouble at all. Granted, the tip should be sharpened and we have great sharpening tools here. Truth is that we only make a couple of dollars on these adjusters but that is no excuse, we probably should raise the price and sharpen them all.
      What is your order ID so that I can sharpen one for you and ship it to you?
      As for fitting the end of the tool into the sound-post, you can actually make your own slot where the old one is. This is what every luthier, set up person does to begin with. The make the slot with the tool the first time.
      I'm sorry that it's so difficult. I guess we could have had a novice try to do it but would that be easier for you?
      It's definitely worth consideration.
      As far as your shipping charge is concerned, once again, I'll check your order ID to see what happened. If something went wrong you could have contacted us for us to fix it. We get a lot of orders. I haven't noticed customers being charged shipping when they fulfill the free shipping limit. That would create problems for us as customers would be contacting us regularly. I'm sorry it happened to you.

    • @dowlutteeanatasha6820
      @dowlutteeanatasha6820 6 лет назад

      Thank you

    • @fiddlefaddle1
      @fiddlefaddle1 5 лет назад

      Kinky, that's strange. I have both tools that I bought from Fiddlerman and it's sharp enough to slice paper. Finally, might I suggest that you switch to decaf or perhaps a lower dose of medication.

  • @chowchow2theleft567
    @chowchow2theleft567 3 года назад

    The music drowns you out.

  • @roberts8524
    @roberts8524 Год назад

    Please take out the music, not needed at all.

  • @joebrophy1003
    @joebrophy1003 5 лет назад

    Who's idea was it to play music, get rid of it its annoying

  • @espr7564
    @espr7564 7 лет назад

    Music destroys video !!! Sucks