Amazing conversation. It was my dream that these two great personalities must have a conversation. I am waiting for more conversation from this pair on scienctific presentation of religion.
@@kesavabalaramadas6429 which official channel does Robert have?.. i haven't subscribed.... Closer to truth is a Program on PBS Right?.. is Robert Part of PBS or a freelancer..? You're a part of Chennai iskcon bro?
Brilliant interviewing and probing.Probe who is God what is His personality so I can decide if I like Him or not.Scriptures that provide deeper knowledge of who is God and what he likes,/ dislikes,how does He deal with children who don't belive Him will be critical to loving God
Wow... Do u want to talk to the waiter or the owner of the restaurant?. Don't disturb the owner if the food u got is "cold". There's staff there to handle the situation. He's probably is Busy.... Or u can leave the restaurant anytime. Your choice, nobody forced u Ravindran. We're u traumatized or something in childhood?... What happened?
Metaphysics 101 Transforming frowns into smiles is smarter than turning lead into gold. And transforming heaven (peace) into hell (war) is more ignorant (dead) than turning gold into lead.
40:31 . Each one of us, all of us in our billions have a unique experience and understanding of reality and it may or may not include the Idea of God or spirituality. If we take into account the all the humans (homo sapiens) that ever existed on this earth, the diversity of religious, spiritual or emotional experiences that makes our species unique is astounding and begins to resembles the infinite complexity of quantum science where reality seems to dissolves into pure mathematical formula. The reality of God also seems to dissolve at death as quickly as a photon. Both science and religion are chasing reality: the only difference seems to be in the method. Science uses logic and religion feelings. Logic ends up in the maths of physics and feelings in religion. Whatever road each one of us take to make sense of reality and life is valid imo
9:40 ever expanding god , enjoy like god or with god 12:29 Relation of reality and god as of simultaneous identity and difference 23:30 GVV idea of whole being different from parts could be used in science to tell something about underlying physical reality of a single particle in QM. 37:55 traits of personal god , what is he doing? That is the question GVV raises and answers. 41:00 reconciliation of good and evil with perfect infinite god 45:35 god creates world like gov. create postal sytem , god is eternal in manifested world but demigods aren't so it's not polytheism. 47:56 you can't demand non-violation of laws of a world abstracted by thought from concrete reality of god. scientific causality (viewed through empiricism of Mach) is different from divine causality which involves full persons. causality of single particle event in QM need to be explained through 2nd type of causality. Initial conditions aren't in purview of order of science. 55:16 fundamental categories of existence , spirit soul is ontological prior to consciousness , problem of haecceity. 1:01:50 Matter and spirit are same thing only difference of individuality
So evident here, those who have no Heart, Spirit, Intuition, Intellect, Reason, inner sense, emotion. They do not even seek answers or enlightenment but they love attention and ignorance. Those of whom are entirely ruled by the left brain hemisphere, all they can know is from only their physical senses, thus being logical only. They have no way, no faculty of the Spiritual path, entirely left out and oblivious, they comment what is in their miserable hearts. They only mock, deceive, ridicule, scoff. -- all that which is inside of them, the darkness, the ignorance. No inner flame to kindle, no temple to maintain, nothing to seek, nothing to experience. Modern science -- mathematics -- if they cannot add it up, it doesn't exist, it is nonsense because they're the absolute. Yet they comment still. They demand answers and are never satisfied, because they recieve not the Spirit in them which nourishes thy Soul. They cannot see for they haven't the eye(intiition). The have not experienced, therefor ESP is debunked and not real. "We live we die and that's it". They hope to bring you down to their miserable level, because deep inside they are alone, miserable, the closer they get to dying the more scared they get; lifeless and need to feed off of others, especially those seeking Truth. What other reason is there for why atheists follow this channel and comment In their distasteful way?
Great, informative interview. A question to add will be, “what is the central point, the driving value, the core mission or purpose of your religion?”. To my thinking, all religions exist to help us define “good” and have hope when the going gets tough. It’s a user manual to our life on earth. To find identity in religion is like finding identity in the user manual for your oven. Use it for what it was designed for, don’t be shocked if it has errors, or doesn’t make sense, and know that it is just a manual. The religious texts and symbols even less significant than religions themselves. Like the tourist map of NYC isn’t NYC, similarly the Bible isn’t Christianity. Christ was not a Christian, and today’s Christian’s do not follow Christ’s religion. Ditto Mohammed PBUH, and Islam. The insistence on seeking the difference appears to be to click-baiting. Robert should recognize there are no, “western religions”. The wise men were Maggi, from East of Nazareth.
All I can know and wonder about is my moral instinct. All I can wonder about is that intelligent functions are not just originated from the brain but the whole universe has so many intelligent laws. I can touch the tail of the elephant but I am blind, I can feel there is something, can't say it is the elephant and I am far away from knowing the elephant because I am blind. In sum we can sense, we can have moral instinct but we can't know. In the meanwhile we must use our moral instinct and not get chewed up by irrational reasoning about what God is like.
God DID NOT CREATE CONSCIOUSNESS. Asking such question whether God created Consciousness is an OXYMORON, displays poor logic, because it assumes that a COMATOSE God was able to create His consciousness to wake up... very funny.. Consciousness has always been the power of God who has no beginning and no end. We are conscious because our souls were NOT created but Free Splits of God's Consciousness.
Consciousness is god and that's you . beyond mind and intellect in deep sleep Uncreated reality what buddha says clear light from void and Vedanta addresses bramhan .
Agree. Just because big bang is what scientists see on their lense of history going down does not convince me that big bang equals creation. It does not prove the material universe came from nothing. It is unscientific even by a unified theory. The concept of nothing and creation as something from nothing makes no sense. The universe had a big bang beginning but there was something which had to convert to the big bang. Everything is possible. It is not as if space began with big bang. Space theoretical and absolute was there and there is no way we can see that. There is space relateve to objects in the universe in XYZ dimensions and there was space absolute before the relative space. Any thing is possible there was no ther universe or there were multiverses. Once religion starts catching in to flat earth theories it blicks progress of science.
35:52 in answer to Ravi's "anecdote", had the man you spoke to been from a scholarly background let alone having had antecedents who were "priests" in Mecca for 500 years he would have immediately corrected you: 1) there is no verse in the Qur'an that says Allah sits on a golden throne 2) The Qur'an prescribes the fundamental transcendental criterion in the following verse: "(He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things)" ( Sura 42, Ayah 11) 3) The dominant theological schools in that area in the time period you described were not anthropomorphists and belonged to the Ashari and Maturidi schools of the kalam tradition.
Many major Darshans of India like Saankhya, Jainism and Buddhism do not have the concept of God. Both the speakers conveniently skipped these great Darshans.
Sankhya doesn't reject God or Ishvara. In Sankhya Sutra, it is said Ishvara's existence can't be proven. However, Sankhya believes in Purusha, which can be understood as Conscious Self.
Indian gurus typically wander off the main topic, which is confusing. Most famous Darshan of Vedas Saankhya does not have the concept of God. There are six major Darshans of India.
See, the problem is, equating Vedas to Hindu philosophies. Vedas don't TALK about philosophies at all. As per indologist, Keonard Elst, Sankhya even predates some Vedic hyms. Also Indian subcontinent has produced many philosophies. Many people equate Vedas to Hinduism, but Hinduism is not limited just to the Vedas.
Christ -- the incarnation of Spirit in man. Jesus 888 the Sun. Christ : cristos -- oil. The crism rises to lighten the lamp -- 3rd eye(pineal gland -- Resurrection. Christ was crucified between two thieves-- the eyes -- in the place of Golgatha-- skull. If thy eye be single, your whole body be filled with light. You cannot compare the Logos, word, reason that's of essence to Muhammad the prophet. Jesus is not a historical figure. Jesus is the Sun; the divine mind or state in man, the christ consciousness, or Buddha consciousness or higher mind, 0r Atman, Brahman, the Self. Some questions asked are so superficial. Ask what Jesus is, the etymology, the history, what is mysticism, who wrote in that manner, and why. What were they looking for. Folks, they are teachings to be carried out, experienced. God isn't to be talked about or merely read about. Perquisites such as : discipline, practice, seeking, asking, knocking, experience, meditation, the single eye, charity, heart, kindness, conviction. Reading good stuff, acting upon good intention, righteousness, self controll , proper language etc.
Why has Robert abandoned his search for truth? He’s debunked religious truth. Every episode has religions apologizing for being wrong. We can only know the truth through empiricism. The rest is hogwash. But where’s there’s money, there’s hope ……. for more. Very disappointed in Robert. He has his answer. Why not accept it and move on?
Would you like to share the great truths that empiricism has revealed to you? Much of science is in a state of fluctuating, non-conclusive theories. Most humans are struggling, and suffering, with empiricism not helping much in regards to understanding the nature and purpose of life. Most new research is co-opted by elite political and military interests to control and exploit the masses, for the profit of the few. That's the world we live in, with it's empirical glories.
Because it can still be interesting and informative to engage with rich religious traditions? You don’t have to believe in them to enjoy learning about them.
It is pathetic, admirable and unbelievable the life of the Indian People , that live religion but have not a word equivalent to religion! Nobody has ever seen or heard God except, like me in their heart. So all religions,in India and anywhere in the world is speculation when they talk and show books from or inspired by God. Animals have more maturity visa a visa reality and have silent appreciation for life and gratitude to The Creator.!
Good, Indian religion is one thing that you majority western mind cannot comprehend. If you understood it, you would have destroyed it. India is lucky that it thrives without a religion, but shelters all religions. If you understand quantum physics, then you will probably understand what Indians worship as Gods
It is not authentic for the host not to address all the major Darshans of India. BTW, eastern traditions are not built on single book or single prophet.
I need Sadhguru to quote from the scriptures... The Bhagavad Gita and the Shrimad Bhagwatam, because there it is revealed who is the Supreme Godhead. It certainly not Lord Shiva. But Lord Shiva is the greatest protector and devotee of Lord Krishna. All revealed in the scriptures. 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Long talk! The conclusion? You have your traditions and I have mine! And The Twain never meet! Because The Creator, you call God, created ONE human race but the One human race divided itself and created many different traditions for himself. There is just ONE tradition for One human race and that is simply to worship no one and no object except the ONE CREATOR, WHO created this universe and everything in it including you!
Do you think Allah needed Mahamud 's help to make the human race to worship him forcefully? Do you know that mahamud is a sanskrit word which means Extreme Ego. A religion built out of extreme Ego which thrusts its ideology is no doubt the last religion for humanity. By the way, a sage by name Vedavyasa from India has recorded in his writings 5000yrs ago that a prophet by name mahamud would be born and that would be the last. Can you tell me how he was able to predict it, if he did not have the ability to see the future?
@@ramithuday5042 ! I don’t know anything more about Allah, the CREATIVE AND POSITIVE, LIVING AND ALL KNOWING ENERGY/FORCE of the universe except what is REVEALED to humans by this ENERGY/FORCE! Do you know who AUTHORED VEDAS And when they came into existence? But there is something COMMON in VEDAS AND QURAN about the KNOWLEDGE!! Do you ever wonder that it couldn’t have happened unless the AUTHOR OF THE VEDAS AND THE QURAN WERE ONE AND THE SAME? Whoever authored VEDAS, authored Quran and said that IT WAS THE LAST MESSAGE from Him. You may not entertain this idea and you have absolutely your prerogative and freedom to do that because this is what is written in Quran! This is not done as you have written “FORCEFULLY”! It appears that your knowledge about Quran and MAHAMUD is not correct. MAHAMUD in SANSKRIT means what you are saying but it is an ARABIC WORD, and what it means in Arabic will apply. God communicated to humans to all nations, the last one happened to be an Arab. MUHAMMAD received the message for the humankind not just for Arabs! Just like Newton received the knowledge about gravity for all humanity and not just for English people. Muhammad and the Quran is as much YOURS as anyone else’s because the Message is from our CREATOR, who is ONE and SAME. I do hope that you think that your and mine CREATOR IS ONE!! I would suggest that you TRY to understand what is all this about for all of us humans rather than owning TRADITIONS as your and mine. We are all in it together. 😃
@@masoodulhameed In your first para, you say that I don't know anything more about Allah, but you believe in it even though it has not been revealed to you yet? I would suggest you to seek and experience those energies, that's what my religion says" do not believe even if God comes and tells you, unless you experience what he says. So we are seekers and not believers. The author of the Vedas and Quran are both Humans, separated by Time, hence not the same. They both speak the same Truth, but with different Awareness about Allah, the Almighty. Vedas was authored by Sage Vyasa after deep exploration through meditation for several years in silence without movement of body,mind and merge himself with Allah consciously and experience the true nature of Allah. In this state, past present and future merge into one. That is how he mentioned about mahamud in his book 5000yrs ago. But humans lost this ability and began to degrade in awareness, intelligence and started to believe in man made practices that fulfilled their desires. I agree that Mahamud experienced Allah's nature, but in a polarized state as compared to sage vyasa. Mahamud might have gone to the mountain in anger to stop all those bad practices that were happening in those times and recieved the grace of Allah to stop and change them. But Allah said all the good methods are already documented in Vedas that originated from me , but people are deviating from that because of their desire, Ignorance and time itself. So it's possible that he gave Mahamud the grace to do opposite of what was happening at that time. Use force , instigate fear and deception if required to achieve the goal of realising his true nature. History reveals that this is the method that is adopted to make people believe in Allah. This is also a powerful method, I totally agree. I agree, Islam and Vedas are telling the same Truth, but methods used are different, the experience will be different separated by Time. The one so called Allah or Shiva or one and the same. He is both a supreme, conscious being in his highest state and an artificial being in his most powerful, lowest conscious state, which we call as Rudra. We humans are in between with potential to realise Allah or get enslaved to the Artificial being in Time.
@@ramithuday5042 ! All that you are saying is fine with me for you. I think you should also allow me this much freedom. I would suggest that we do not take what I say nor what you say but what the Creator says in Quran! Quran is not authored by any man. It couldn't POSSIBLY have been. There is too much evidence in Quran regarding this issue. You have to find it for yourself, but of course, you can get help as you do for learning anything. Quran addresses human beings and not just any nation. MUHAMMAD never accepted that he authored the BOOK and he was a truthful man. As I said earlier, you do not have to accept it if you do not want to, but then this is what would decide our DESTINY The KNOWLEDGE, for me, is given to one person and then he shares it with his fellow beings in the world. Both of us, I and you can OBSERVE this, so this is a fact. Not everyone has to experience the falling of the apple to learn about gravity. But now people know more about gravity than Newton knew about it. Quran being the LATEST is an UPDATE on Vedas and all other BOOKS and to correct the man-made addition. The Creator is all GOODNESS and POSITIVITY. The use of negativity as you being a human think and allow to " Use force , instigate fear and deception if required to achieve the goal of realising his true nature." is not permitted. These are the UPDATES and CORRECTIONS, which the LATEST MESSAGE is all about. But please do not feel constrained, it is your choice and for our own good that all of us should correct our course or we land in a very wrong place. With all the best wishes for you to have a wonderful times all the time.
@@masoodulhameed with humility, I say that I do not accept anything less short of myself experiencing the nature of Almighty. I don't believe that it is not possible at all. If Muhammad and several thousands of humans have already experienced it as humans, we also have the potential to experience it.we just have to thrive for it while we are alive, not after death. I am saying this with confidence because, I have experienced the entire cosmos inside me by the Grace of Almighty, during meditation when I successfully stopped my mind and breath consciously.. Also I am surprised that you do not know who has written the Quran book and assume that it was not written by human. Do you doubt the potential of humans?. You will realise the human potential when human creates the Artificial being and enslaves himself to his own creation.. Newton derived lot of knowledge from the scriptures written by sages and all the 3 laws defined by Newton were already recorded several hundred years before him. For me religion is just a small portion of my life that I acquired after my brain grew. Humans have no religion when they are babies. It is pushed into our minds from outside based on the environment we grow.
Excellent conversation between Dr Gomatam and Dr Robert hope to see more such discussions in the future
Very enlightening ,
PLEASE DO MORE DETAILED SESSIONS ON THESE THINGS WITH PROF. RAVI GOMATAM.
Thank you.
Amazing conversation. It was my dream that these two great personalities must have a conversation. I am waiting for more conversation from this pair on scienctific presentation of religion.
Really ?!? You knew both of them beforehand?... You'd subscribed to them?. I didn't even know about Kuhn...
@@akshaynanthur yes. I hear from both.
@@kesavabalaramadas6429 which official channel does Robert have?.. i haven't subscribed.... Closer to truth is a Program on PBS Right?.. is Robert Part of PBS or a freelancer..? You're a part of Chennai iskcon bro?
The painful nature of this world is meant to wake us up to our eternal relationship with God.
Lol
Excellent , thank you very much.
Brilliant interviewing and probing.Probe who is God what is His personality so I can decide if I like Him or not.Scriptures that provide deeper knowledge of who is God and what he likes,/ dislikes,how does He deal with children who don't belive Him will be critical to loving God
Wow... Do u want to talk to the waiter or the owner of the restaurant?.
Don't disturb the owner if the food u got is "cold". There's staff there to handle the situation. He's probably is Busy....
Or u can leave the restaurant anytime. Your choice, nobody forced u Ravindran.
We're u traumatized or something in childhood?...
What happened?
Excellent conversation! looking forward to the next part
Metaphysics 101
Transforming frowns into smiles is smarter than turning lead into gold. And transforming heaven (peace) into hell (war) is more ignorant (dead) than turning gold into lead.
40:31 . Each one of us, all of us in our billions have a unique experience and understanding of reality and it may or may not include the Idea of God or spirituality. If we take into account the all the humans (homo sapiens) that ever existed on this earth, the diversity of religious, spiritual or emotional experiences that makes our species unique is astounding and begins to resembles the infinite complexity of quantum science where reality seems to dissolves into pure mathematical formula. The reality of God also seems to dissolve at death as quickly as a photon. Both science and religion are chasing reality: the only difference seems to be in the method. Science uses logic and religion feelings. Logic ends up in the maths of physics and feelings in religion.
Whatever road each one of us take to make sense of reality and life is valid imo
9:40 ever expanding god , enjoy like god or with god
12:29 Relation of reality and god as of simultaneous identity and difference
23:30 GVV idea of whole being different from parts could be used in science to tell something about underlying physical reality of a single particle in QM.
37:55 traits of personal god , what is he doing? That is the question GVV raises and answers.
41:00 reconciliation of good and evil with perfect infinite god
45:35 god creates world like gov. create postal sytem , god is eternal in manifested world but demigods aren't so it's not polytheism.
47:56 you can't demand non-violation of laws of a world abstracted by thought from concrete reality of god. scientific causality (viewed through empiricism of Mach) is different from divine causality which involves full persons.
causality of single particle event in QM need to be explained through 2nd type of causality.
Initial conditions aren't in purview of order of science.
55:16 fundamental categories of existence , spirit soul is ontological prior to consciousness , problem of haecceity.
1:01:50 Matter and spirit are same thing only difference of individuality
Substantive human rights confederation
So evident here, those who have no Heart, Spirit, Intuition, Intellect, Reason, inner sense, emotion. They do not even seek answers or enlightenment but they love attention and ignorance.
Those of whom are entirely ruled by the left brain hemisphere, all they can know is from only their physical senses, thus being logical only. They have no way, no faculty of the Spiritual path, entirely left out and oblivious, they comment what is in their miserable hearts. They only mock, deceive, ridicule, scoff. -- all that which is inside of them, the darkness, the ignorance. No inner flame to kindle, no temple to maintain, nothing to seek, nothing to experience.
Modern science -- mathematics -- if they cannot add it up, it doesn't exist, it is nonsense because they're the absolute.
Yet they comment still. They demand answers and are never satisfied, because they recieve not the Spirit in them which nourishes thy Soul. They cannot see for they haven't the eye(intiition). The have not experienced, therefor ESP is debunked and not real. "We live we die and that's it".
They hope to bring you down to their miserable level, because deep inside they are alone, miserable, the closer they get to dying the more scared they get; lifeless and need to feed off of others, especially those seeking Truth.
What other reason is there for why atheists follow this channel and comment In their distasteful way?
Great, informative interview.
A question to add will be, “what is the central point, the driving value, the core mission or purpose of your religion?”.
To my thinking, all religions exist to help us define “good” and have hope when the going gets tough. It’s a user manual to our life on earth. To find identity in religion is like finding identity in the user manual for your oven. Use it for what it was designed for, don’t be shocked if it has errors, or doesn’t make sense, and know that it is just a manual. The religious texts and symbols even less significant than religions themselves. Like the tourist map of NYC isn’t NYC, similarly the Bible isn’t Christianity.
Christ was not a Christian, and today’s Christian’s do not follow Christ’s religion. Ditto Mohammed PBUH, and Islam.
The insistence on seeking the difference appears to be to click-baiting.
Robert should recognize there are no, “western religions”. The wise men were Maggi, from East of Nazareth.
All I can know and wonder about is my moral instinct.
All I can wonder about is that intelligent functions are not just originated from the brain but the whole universe has so many intelligent laws.
I can touch the tail of the elephant but I am blind, I can feel there is something, can't say it is the elephant and I am far away from knowing the elephant because I am blind.
In sum we can sense, we can have moral instinct but we can't know. In the meanwhile we must use our moral instinct and not get chewed up by irrational reasoning about what God is like.
I like the color of the shirt --
Robert's or Ravi's?
Excellent. Could you please 🙏 interview who is well versed in Advaita nondualism. It will be exciting.
Indian Religion is not just Vedanta. Vedas don't contain just Vedanta.
God DID NOT CREATE CONSCIOUSNESS. Asking such question whether God created Consciousness is an OXYMORON, displays poor logic, because it assumes that a COMATOSE God was able to create His consciousness to wake up... very funny..
Consciousness has always been the power of God who has no beginning and no end. We are conscious because our souls were NOT created but Free Splits of God's Consciousness.
Consciousness is god and that's you . beyond mind and intellect in deep sleep Uncreated reality what buddha says clear light from void and Vedanta addresses bramhan .
Agree. Just because big bang is what scientists see on their lense of history going down does not convince me that big bang equals creation. It does not prove the material universe came from nothing. It is unscientific even by a unified theory. The concept of nothing and creation as something from nothing makes no sense. The universe had a big bang beginning but there was something which had to convert to the big bang. Everything is possible. It is not as if space began with big bang. Space theoretical and absolute was there and there is no way we can see that. There is space relateve to objects in the universe in XYZ dimensions and there was space absolute before the relative space. Any thing is possible there was no ther universe or there were multiverses. Once religion starts catching in to flat earth theories it blicks progress of science.
Free Splits of God's Consciousness?...
Well then hold on to your seat belts coz I'm a Somersault...
I'm great fan of Closer to Truth but this full of wishful thinking and extreme speculation interview is too much for me. Sorry not my topic
35:52 in answer to Ravi's "anecdote", had the man you spoke to been from a scholarly background let alone having had antecedents who were "priests" in Mecca for 500 years he would have immediately corrected you: 1) there is no verse in the Qur'an that says Allah sits on a golden throne 2) The Qur'an prescribes the fundamental transcendental criterion in the following verse: "(He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things)" ( Sura 42, Ayah 11) 3) The dominant theological schools in that area in the time period you described were not anthropomorphists and belonged to the Ashari and Maturidi schools of the kalam tradition.
Nice try but you can't offer Amy wisdom. to something eternal , pock your spots .
Which Denomination do u come under bro?... Shia? Sunni?.. and are there more than 1 sects living in Mecca. I would like to know this...
Lol please don’t bring that trash called Islam into this mix.. we’re trying to have a meaningful conversation here!
Many major Darshans of India like Saankhya, Jainism and Buddhism do not have the concept of God. Both the speakers conveniently skipped these great Darshans.
Sankhya doesn't reject God or Ishvara. In Sankhya Sutra, it is said Ishvara's existence can't be proven. However, Sankhya believes in Purusha, which can be understood as Conscious Self.
Good and Evil exists only among humans. However, religion should deal with the whole universe, not just humans.
Yeah there's no such thing as a good Animal or bad... just among humans nice one.
Indian gurus typically wander off the main topic, which is confusing. Most famous Darshan of Vedas Saankhya does not have the concept of God. There are six major Darshans of India.
See, the problem is, equating Vedas to Hindu philosophies. Vedas don't TALK about philosophies at all. As per indologist, Keonard Elst, Sankhya even predates some Vedic hyms. Also Indian subcontinent has produced many philosophies. Many people equate Vedas to Hinduism, but Hinduism is not limited just to the Vedas.
Christ -- the incarnation of Spirit in man. Jesus 888 the Sun.
Christ : cristos -- oil. The crism rises to lighten the lamp -- 3rd eye(pineal gland -- Resurrection.
Christ was crucified between two thieves-- the eyes -- in the place of Golgatha-- skull.
If thy eye be single, your whole body be filled with light.
You cannot compare the Logos, word, reason that's of essence to Muhammad the prophet. Jesus is not a historical figure. Jesus is the Sun; the divine mind or state in man, the christ consciousness, or Buddha consciousness or higher mind, 0r Atman, Brahman, the Self.
Some questions asked are so superficial. Ask what Jesus is, the etymology, the history, what is mysticism, who wrote in that manner, and why. What were they looking for.
Folks, they are teachings to be carried out, experienced. God isn't to be talked about or merely read about. Perquisites such as : discipline, practice, seeking, asking, knocking, experience, meditation, the single eye, charity, heart, kindness, conviction. Reading good stuff, acting upon good intention, righteousness, self controll , proper language etc.
Why has Robert abandoned his search for truth? He’s debunked religious truth. Every episode has religions apologizing for being wrong. We can only know the truth through empiricism. The rest is hogwash. But where’s there’s money, there’s hope ……. for more. Very disappointed in Robert. He has his answer. Why not accept it and move on?
Would you like to share the great truths that empiricism has revealed to you? Much of science is in a state of fluctuating, non-conclusive theories. Most humans are struggling, and suffering, with empiricism not helping much in regards to understanding the nature and purpose of life. Most new research is co-opted by elite political and military interests to control and exploit the masses, for the profit of the few. That's the world we live in, with it's empirical glories.
Because it can still be interesting and informative to engage with rich religious traditions? You don’t have to believe in them to enjoy learning about them.
It is pathetic, admirable and unbelievable the life of the Indian People , that live religion but have not a word equivalent to religion! Nobody has ever seen or heard God except, like me in their heart. So all religions,in India and anywhere in the world is speculation when they talk and show books from or inspired by God. Animals have more maturity visa a visa reality and have silent appreciation for life and gratitude to The Creator.!
OK, I see. Wondering, what do you want, or how is it supposed to be, do you feel?
Good, Indian religion is one thing that you majority western mind cannot comprehend. If you understood it, you would have destroyed it. India is lucky that it thrives without a religion, but shelters all religions.
If you understand quantum physics, then you will probably understand what Indians worship as Gods
@@ReverendDr.Thomas what Can I say, its just height of our tolerance or just that British stuges still control our nation..
It is not authentic for the host not to address all the major Darshans of India. BTW, eastern traditions are not built on single book or single prophet.
Only Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev can tell you everything about Hindu religion because he is self realised one.
I need Sadhguru to quote from the scriptures... The Bhagavad Gita and the Shrimad Bhagwatam, because there it is revealed who is the Supreme Godhead. It certainly not Lord Shiva. But Lord Shiva is the greatest protector and devotee of Lord Krishna. All revealed in the scriptures. 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Proof?
Long talk!
The conclusion?
You have your traditions and I have mine!
And The Twain never meet!
Because The Creator, you call God, created ONE human race but the One human race divided itself and created many different traditions for himself.
There is just ONE tradition for One human race and that is simply to worship no one and no object except the ONE CREATOR, WHO created this universe and everything in it including you!
Do you think Allah needed Mahamud 's help to make the human race to worship him forcefully?
Do you know that mahamud is a sanskrit word which means Extreme Ego.
A religion built out of extreme Ego which thrusts its ideology is no doubt the last religion for humanity.
By the way, a sage by name Vedavyasa from India has recorded in his writings 5000yrs ago that a prophet by name mahamud would be born and that would be the last. Can you tell me how he was able to predict it, if he did not have the ability to see the future?
@@ramithuday5042 !
I don’t know anything more about Allah, the CREATIVE AND POSITIVE, LIVING AND ALL KNOWING ENERGY/FORCE of the universe except what is REVEALED to humans by this ENERGY/FORCE!
Do you know who AUTHORED VEDAS And when they came into existence?
But there is something COMMON in VEDAS AND QURAN about the KNOWLEDGE!!
Do you ever wonder that it couldn’t have happened unless the AUTHOR OF THE VEDAS AND THE QURAN WERE ONE AND THE SAME?
Whoever authored VEDAS, authored Quran and said that IT WAS THE LAST MESSAGE from Him.
You may not entertain this idea and you have absolutely your prerogative and freedom to do that because this is what is written in Quran!
This is not done as you have written “FORCEFULLY”!
It appears that your knowledge about Quran and MAHAMUD is not correct.
MAHAMUD in SANSKRIT means what you are saying but it is an ARABIC WORD, and what it means in Arabic will apply.
God communicated to humans to all nations, the last one happened to be an Arab. MUHAMMAD received the message for the humankind not just for Arabs! Just like Newton received the knowledge about gravity for all humanity and not just for English people.
Muhammad and the Quran is as much YOURS as anyone else’s because the Message is from our CREATOR, who is ONE and SAME.
I do hope that you think that your and mine CREATOR IS ONE!!
I would suggest that you TRY to understand what is all this about for all of us humans rather than owning TRADITIONS as your and mine. We are all in it together. 😃
@@masoodulhameed
In your first para, you say that I don't know anything more about Allah, but you believe in it even though it has not been revealed to you yet?
I would suggest you to seek and experience those energies, that's what my religion says" do not believe even if God comes and tells you, unless you experience what he says. So we are seekers and not believers.
The author of the Vedas and Quran are both Humans, separated by Time, hence not the same. They both speak the same Truth, but with different Awareness about Allah, the Almighty.
Vedas was authored by Sage Vyasa after deep exploration through meditation for several years in silence without movement of body,mind and merge himself with Allah consciously and experience the true nature of Allah. In this state, past present and future merge into one. That is how he mentioned about mahamud in his book 5000yrs ago.
But humans lost this ability and began to degrade in awareness, intelligence and started to believe in man made practices that fulfilled their desires.
I agree that Mahamud experienced Allah's nature, but in a polarized state as compared to sage vyasa. Mahamud might have gone to the mountain in anger to stop all those bad practices that were happening in those times and recieved the grace of Allah to stop and change them. But Allah said all the good methods are already documented in Vedas that originated from me , but people are deviating from that because of their desire, Ignorance and time itself. So it's possible that he gave Mahamud the grace to do opposite of what was happening at that time. Use force , instigate fear and deception if required to achieve the goal of realising his true nature.
History reveals that this is the method that is adopted to make people believe in Allah. This is also a powerful method, I totally agree.
I agree, Islam and Vedas are telling the same Truth, but methods used are different, the experience will be different separated by Time.
The one so called Allah or Shiva or one and the same. He is both a supreme, conscious being in his highest state and an artificial being in his most powerful, lowest conscious state, which we call as Rudra.
We humans are in between with potential to realise Allah or get enslaved to the Artificial being in Time.
@@ramithuday5042 !
All that you are saying is fine with me for you.
I think you should also allow me this much freedom.
I would suggest that we do not take what I say nor what you say but what the Creator says in Quran!
Quran is not authored by any man. It couldn't POSSIBLY have been. There is too much evidence in Quran regarding this issue. You have to find it for yourself, but of course, you can get help as you do for learning anything. Quran addresses human beings and not just any nation. MUHAMMAD never accepted that he authored the BOOK and he was a truthful man. As I said earlier, you do not have to accept it if you do not want to, but then this is what would decide our DESTINY
The KNOWLEDGE, for me, is given to one person and then he shares it with his fellow beings in the world. Both of us, I and you can OBSERVE this, so this is a fact. Not everyone has to experience the falling of the apple to learn about gravity.
But now people know more about gravity than Newton knew about it.
Quran being the LATEST is an UPDATE on Vedas and all other BOOKS and to correct the man-made addition.
The Creator is all GOODNESS and POSITIVITY. The use of negativity as you being a human think and allow to " Use force , instigate fear and deception if required to achieve the goal of realising his true nature." is not permitted. These are the UPDATES and CORRECTIONS, which the LATEST MESSAGE is all about.
But please do not feel constrained, it is your choice and for our own good that all of us should correct our course or we land in a very wrong place.
With all the best wishes for you to have a wonderful times all the time.
@@masoodulhameed with humility, I say that I do not accept anything less short of myself experiencing the nature of Almighty.
I don't believe that it is not possible at all. If Muhammad and several thousands of humans have already experienced it as humans, we also have the potential to experience it.we just have to thrive for it while we are alive, not after death.
I am saying this with confidence because, I have experienced the entire cosmos inside me by the Grace of Almighty, during meditation when I successfully stopped my mind and breath consciously..
Also I am surprised that you do not know who has written the Quran book and assume that it was not written by human. Do you doubt the potential of humans?.
You will realise the human potential when human creates the Artificial being and enslaves himself to his own creation..
Newton derived lot of knowledge from the scriptures written by sages and all the 3 laws defined by Newton were already recorded several hundred years before him.
For me religion is just a small portion of my life that I acquired after my brain grew.
Humans have no religion when they are babies. It is pushed into our minds from outside based on the environment we grow.
Swami Sarvapriyananda would have been a better spokesperson for stating Hindu ideas.
They need a better honest spokesperson for Explaining Hindu Philosophies.
He is honest... all he said is from our scriptures, the Bhagavat Gita and Shrimat Bhagavatam 🙏🏼