Re-mixing Nirvana more commercial: Heart Shaped Box remix
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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Many people love the production and mix on Nirvana's In Utero. Kurt Cobain was attempting a more raw and real sound. I have never enjoyed it and am curious if I can improve it, so I remixed Heart Shaped Box. Did you like it? Let me know in the comments, and check out the other links in the description!
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Me: hey wait. I've got a real complaint
Dave Grohl: *heavy sarcasm* I'm forever in debt to your prriicceless advice....
Incredibly based
Hey Mike, what is that Song with that Riff at the Start with the Mildly Odd Time Signature along with it?
I think it’s one of your songs or one of Crusades songs.
Oof
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should"
-Dr. Ian Malcolm
Challenge: try and cleanly re-mix any black metal song
literally impossible
He’ll need 5 Korneffs
That’d actually be a fun video
Lol😂😂😂
I don't think there are stems for that 😅
These kinds of videos perfectly showcase what a negative effect modern technology has on some aspects of music.
Nowadays everybody tries to get their perfect tone in isolation. Then they press the play button and are incredibly surprised the sounds somewhat clash, making it sound artifical. People back then played together and found their tones together as well. That's why it sounds great because the tones complement each other instead of just adding up more and more layers of the same.
Great insight!
Word. Those old school records have feel and something if they did the same song in modern tech wouldn’t even come close. And they are lacking so much fidelity with drums bass etc.
yeah i remember when multi tracks from in utero hit the internet... listening through, lots of the tracks sound meh by themselves...but holy fuck once theyre mixed together...its great!
If your writing music by getting isolated tones on their own instead of for a whole mix then your already doing amateur moves. Plenty of old bands have a shite sound because theyre tones didnt sound good together no matter how much they jammed sounds out. Knowing how mixes and composition work is not a generational thing and making claims like that is boomer af which tbf i expect in a nirvana comment section
You sort of alluded to it when you described the original mix as “pansy” hard rock but part of why people love the En Utero sound is that a lot of the songs on the album including Heart Shaped Box are about being insecure and vulnerable. So the “pansy” sound kind of adds to that feeling.
EmperorTigerstar! Didn't know you were a rock/metal fan! I used to watch your content all the time, keep up the good work!
I hate mixing because I don"t understand what I should be doing. You're really helping man!
I don't understand half of what you are doing but I love it, It's very educational. It's not fair RUclips doesn't appreciate this type of content so that it can be monetized. Bastards.
This video just proves to me why all the new music sounds the same 😊
Please elaborate? There's plenty of new music that sounds like nothing else
As an aspriring musician who knows nothing about mixing and producing in general, these videos are really cool! Hopefully you're able to keep making them!
It would be awesome to see you remix some Sabbath next! I’d love to hear your take on Children Of The Grave or something like that 😄
I like both of them a fair bit, they sound like reasonably different vibes to me, both good
Music doesn’t have to be overly complicated
0:15 It's perfectly fine... Like I'm sure there's people that look at the Mona Lisa or The Starry Night as just some random paintings. There's nothing wrong with that.
I really like your mix. I like the original as well.
I love this mix. I remember when I first got it on cassette fiddling with my stereo, trying to make it sound like this.
should do them as live streams so people can donate in the moment and would be cool to watch you mix live
I'm considering it!
Not gonna lie Your Mix added the balls and attitude back into this song. Their OG mix sounded like a "high quality" live recording youd find on RUclips, yours sounds like a proper, studio-treated mix.
Commenting to try and boost the algorithm for your pain and suffering.
If you could remix one of the songs from the paranoid record that would be sick. I cant stand the way the bass pierces so harshly through the mix on that record. Keep up the great content!!
Thats what makes the first 3 sabbath records so good
Don't know, In Utero is a very hard record to mix or change things without losing the essence of the original, even tho is not my favorite Nirvana project, i think it really is perfect as it is
I a huge Nirvana fan love this albulm the most. Seems like Bleach turned up to 10. Yes Nevermind had some gr8 songs etc but In Utero sounds like what I hear when somebody says Nirvana. Wish he'd left his Succubus wife and still here with us in person. Don't fall in love with flesh. Fall in love with someone u can't see living without. All females, and now some males all have vaginas and boobs. Lmao.
The mix that ended up being on the album was done by Scott Litt. This has been contested as to why this came about, whether it was Geffen's insistence (as this was planned to be the lead single) or the band's having second thoughts about how it was initially mixed. One thing that was taken out here was what Albini called an "abortion guitar" for that short solo between the second chorus and third verse, which I admit was for the best. Even Steve would later not particularly like it =]
(By the way, Scott also did "All Apologies", which ended up on the initial album release. He also did "Pennyroyal Tea", but I think it was available through the Wal-Mart-issued version initially. The reissue for the anniversary brings together everything for posterity.).
To reiterate why I may have said initially, I like that sound, for better or for worse. Albini and the surviving members revisited the album ten years ago. You can think of it as everyone is now twenty years older (at the time) and thus have a better idea of how to do things perhaps. I think it's a tasteful polish without losing a lot of what made the album appealing in the first place. This may be more to your liking. But then again, you just did your own remix to your own taste.
I personally don't like the 2013 mix and interestingly enough I think the best mixed song of that record is the Scott Litt Pennyroyal Tea mix (the single mix which I assume is the same as the Walmart one) while I don't like what Scott did to Heart Shaped Box.
I thought it was established fact that it was the band, and more specifically Kurt, who had second thoughts about the Albini album mix. (Albini himself says he was fine with it for that exact reason, that it wasn't a label takeover). It seems it was largely an ideological thing to begin with, rather than an aesthetic one: Kurt was disturbed by the sell-out criticism from the punk movement he so loved and identified with. Then, when push came to shove, he realised he didn’t like some of the mixes, and so they hired Scott Litt to remix a few of them. (Litt had the desired credibility, after producing REM and The Replacements).
Personally I think it’s unfair to Andy Wallace, (who mixed Nevermind). He produced and mixed one of the best sounding albums of the 90s, Jeff Buckley’s Grace. And I don’t hear anyone complain about that. Purists, of any kind, make me fall asleep. It’s like religion, and religion has no business meddling with the creative process.
@@hackapumpWait, there are people who don’t like the Nevermind mix? The opening to In Bloom still gets me.
@@modelcitizen1977 Well, the album did pretty well, so I’d say most people had no issues with it. ;) It’s arguably THE seminal album of the 90s. And it remains a beloved reference for producers and audio engineers - (Andy Wallace’s work usually is). But you know how purists are: Few but loud. A contingency of the band’s original fans, who loved the debut album, cried ”sellouts”. And that bothered the sensitive frontman enormously.
Producer Butch Vig used a combination of gentle prodding and benign lies to get Kurt to overdub his vocals and guitars. Telling him for example that ”John Lennon always doubled his vocals”, which is true. Or that he needed a take with a different guitar amp, which wasn’t necessarily true. A good producer has people skills, to discern what an artist needs, and how to get there. And it’s not like Kurt resented it. They were happy with the album, as well as the success it brought. Until they weren’t. ”Sellout” didn’t sit well with Kurt, who was already having second thoughts about success. But he was famously conflicted. I’m not sure he ever reconciled either way.
@@hackapumpI'd have loved to hear an Andy Wallace mix of In Utero
What's interesting is the *original* mix by Steve Albini (which we don't hear on the album) was not "commercial" enough (he said the record label panicked a bit), and he disqualified himself from this revision as he felt he did it the way the artists wanted it, so he stepped aside for it to be remixed however the record label wanted.
It’s crazy to me, because I’m guessing the label heard the guitar solo and lyrics and shat a goose, which is sad because it’s rad in Steve’s version
These videos have been very helpful for my own mixing. Thanks for this!
I've always been a fan of Steve Albini's engineering methods. He's usually very rhythm-heavy, which I totally appreciate. It can be too dry for some people. I'd actually like to know what you think of his work on The Pixies' Surfer Rosa, which is a prime example of Albini's work.
Yes
Absolute legend to remix this song into a more of a punky hard rock tone to it is awesome
I wish the Audio Mix In Utero Album was as clear as the NeverMind Album
i like it. Its interesting how some of the instruments solo'ed sound like doo doo but when they're in the mix, poof it sounds good. Much fuller and balanced both volume wise and in the eq spectrum.
Hey Mike! First one here. Glad you chose Nirvana.. But it was kinda obvious. Btw we love these kind of videos, trying new kinds of production elements on popular songs.
Just fyi, Scott Litt mixed Heart Shaped Box after the Gergen didn’t like Albini Mix, I believe.
So, there's a problem with not only mixing Nirvana, but Grunge in general. Grunge was basically an expression of rawness, everything felt a lot more real. Mixing it like you did, it sounded good, but it lost a bit of the soul of Grunge when you mixed with it.
If you were mixing new, unreleased music, i think it would sound great. But, considering that this was a genre where a more garbage mix made the songs more enjoyable, it just doesn't sound right.
Hey Mike I hope everything’s well. I really enjoy these videos. Thank you for your contribution. All the best. 🤘🤘
Love youyr content bro thanks for putting these videos out :)
That was dope.
I would not touch anything on the In Utero Album, this is like watching a painter trying to "touch up" a Picasso.
Oh, I can already imagine how Nirvana stans are going to recieve this.
You get some kind of pleasure out of such things?
This comment section is goin to be fun lol
Biggest nirvana stan here, they'll always be my favorite band. No problems with anything here, even though I do still prefer the original mix a little bit of Mike's had been the mix the band used originally I would still love the album and the song just as much
seems like the haters are more vocal here lol. the new mix sounds pretty dope
Very nice, I don't understand why people would complain that making everything clearer and tighter would ruin the raw and real sound of the original. The raw and real sound is determined about how the band chose to write the song, making everything tighter and clearer makes the raw and real sound hit even more.
Honestly the only reason I wouldn't want it clearer and brighter is bc I don't really love Cobain's voice. I prefer it to be a little more muddled so I can't hear him as much lol
I think the changes were interesting. Cool to hear the before and after. Also you have the most charismatic laugh I've ever heard. Your laugh makes me laugh 😅
NEVER FUCK WITH THE ORIGINAL !!!
Why?
Great job, Mike!
In Utero is missing low end on the entire album. Great album but that always bugged me.
I really enjoyed that, it sounded great. It's just that having listened to the original for so long you get so used to the way that sounds it makes it difficult to hear anything else as better.
"That sounds like hard rock to me" and no one would know who Nirvana is.
They sound like themselves. Do I care for them, no. But they are something different for the time
I gotta say Mike, I fucking LOVE the attitude you gave this track. It sounds even more raw, more distraught, more angry. I also liked that you didn’t turn it away from its original vision, you actually enhanced it. This mix feels more “live” than the original. I venture to say even Kurt might have liked it.
Great job! I prefer your mix! Sounds more hi fi also. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Wait, you realize that the versions of the songs on the album are NOT Albini's mix right?
It belatedly occurs to me that ehile everyone wanted LL Cool J's Ghettoblaster, what we could all afford had no bass output.
I see some of my colorful commentary made it in haha!
I really enjoy these videos, thanks for sharing. I usually prefer your mixes. Maybe you should start a remixing career?
Great video
Great mix. I would have taken a little bit of the distorted vocals out during “Hey, Wait” but that’s my only nit pick. Love ya man keep it up.
the 2013 mix was good.
Great video and I would have to agree that your version of the mix sounds a lot better, it's more raw and pronounced
the kick isnt as pronounced on your mix but the added low end is a nice improvement
i like how you made the instruments in your mix more present. the original mix seems a bit quieter.
This is your best one yet! I have a couple tricks I've used to beef up stereo drum stems. Let me know I'll shoot you an email
Thanks man!!!!! Send it over!
I like how adventurous you were with this one. Some of your decisions were unintuitive but worked out well.
This video is missing major context behind Heart Shaped Box.
The version of Heart Shaped Box that was released on In Utero was already remixed by Scott Litt who did a brilliant job on it and far better than Steve Albini's mix. There was little bit of a fight about it between Albini and Nirvana at the time but essentially when Nirvana left the studio and listen to In Utero they had issues with the mix. They then hired Scott Litt to remix a few songs and then used Bob Ludwig to make some additional changes in the master. Albini at first refused to hand over master tapes but he relented.
Anyway not a fan of this remix at all with the chorus vocals being butchered
What specifically about them was butchered?
yeah this is actually remixing a remix of Scott Litt version. not a fan of this because it's basically like taking a famous photograph and then throwing it into photoshop and then saying here this is better because I boosted contrast, added some sharpening...etc. the issue with these remixes(not just from this channel) is that it's the same thing most times. going in and exaggerating every track and then declaring mix better because "it's meatier"
example of this is the terrible Megadeth remixes that Dave Mustaine oversaw with their entire catalog. it was fine for the early Megadeth albums that had production issues but remixing and remastering Countdown To Extinction.....Youthansia like wtf where they thinking?
@@BecomeTheKnight Going to the 6:00 marker in the video, the part of "Hey wait" sounds completely artificial to Kurt's voice in a bad way and it's even more noticeable with the drop off in that effect in the following lines "forever in debt to your priceless advice" (I am listing with generic Sony MDR 7506)
Remember your not remixing Steve Albini's mix which is actually bad and is the raw he's talking about in your video clip ......that would be more interesting to mix. Your remixing Scott Litt's version and Scott Litt is a legend in that world who's done tons of albums. They literally brought him in last min to remix this song for the radio. It's tough to improve on it without sounding overexaggerated.
@napo7866 I explained in followup. I already wrote a lot in my initial post.
I like what you did with the vocals. Would really like to hear your “metal” mix!
This is hilarious!!
Not a huge fan also but i love this song and it got me as a kid into them when i started getting into music,and this song still is i think pretty good
Another one that can be fixed is Tornado of Souls. I know you arnt much of a megadeth guy, but I think you can add a lot more low end. Especially around the kick drum and bass. Just an idea.
I love nirvana but never really liked the production on In Utero, even the 2013 remixes I didn't think improved the issues. One song that I think was improved was the Scott Litt mix of Pennyroyal Tea that ended up as the single version. Comparing the album version of heart shaped box (scott litt mix), it is slightly better than the albini mix, though they are kind of opposites where certain elements I prefer with one of the other I am surprised how small the Scott Litt mix sounds considering it was intended to be more of a single big song sound. What is interesting is parts of your mix sound more like the Albini Mix with more clarity and better vocals so maybe its closer to what they thought they were trying to do. Ultimately I don't think the band actually liked In Utero as much sonically and slightly regretted the approach Albini took.
Even Myth Busters tried polishing a turd.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ May as well.
It certainly can’t get worse.
Writing stuff here to help out. Hope it helps 👍
i really love in utero, it's my favorite album of all time, but i always will prefer the Nevermind mix and production, it's just way better
Kurt resented Nevermind's mix because the album was so popular.... He never wanted that level of success.
Mabey you should try to remix ride the lightning. I know the reverb on the guitars makes it a bit Too Far Gone (Pun Intended) but I would like to see what you do.
My question about the “character track”. Why doesn’t this plugin simply have a blend knob?
Regardless I love these mix videos!!!
You are not ruining anything. People just gets used to things
The guitar hero 2 version is a cover song.
Nirvana had a really good songwriter & guitarist it was the drummer, though.
Make him remix deathcrush by mayhem
...making a Nirvana song more commercial...what on earth is the point in THAT? I mean, Nevermind was overproduced and never captioned how the band sounded live. In Utero was exactly the " we don't play by the rules of the industry" album that was needed. I get that you are into modern, polished mixes ( that I personally can'T stand for the most part); but this remix, to me, removes the heart and intent of this song
Does it remove the heart? Cuz imo it makes the heart clearer
Because it would be interesting to see what it would sound like the same way he changed dyers Eve even though the band would never go back and change any of the justice songs
@@BecomeTheKnight i think, especially the reverb makes it more muddy. The original sounds very direct, especially the chorus really " jumps" at the listener". This dynamic impact, to me at least, is lost here.
But then, I really love Albini's work overall. Here, with Ken Mode, Bush and the Jesus Lizard. Maybe the best producer for noisy alternative. His mixes are almost impossible to beat for this kind of music imho
Is it then only a shaped box?
try to remix hammer smashed face
Rick beato interviewed kirk hammett. Get ready for a great interview y'all
You don’t have to understand it. I probably don’t care for some shitty music you like. It got to you though. Mission accomplished by the artist. Plus we have some truly abysmal art and music these days that truly warrants a wtf is wrong with people liking this. Lol. But I will agree to some degree Albini and the recordings were some missed opportunities if you’re going to try to pull it into a personal preference. But that’s the cool thing I’ve found in my time as a sound engineer. His thing is trying to capture a band playing and the natural sound you would hear irl. That’s a lot more harder to do than thought. Capturing reflections. He definitely did that and does it well.
I find a lot of recording engineers serve to stroke their selves and fail to serve songs by what they actually need and what they think is cool to play with. And tragically that’s usually in the form of their ruining a track with a compressor. Especially if said engineers are labeling the track with the name of compressor in it. API Kick lol.
Your mix is distorted and unpleasant to my just my iPhone listening. That album has dynamics something horribly killed in todays productions because the simple notion our ear perceives louder as better when compared. You pretty much did that with it and sure there are elements of that album that could have benefited from the kick being more pronounced etc (that’s why it had recommended stereo settings of where bass and treble should be in the sleeve) but avg listeners who don’t even know what a compressor is or HP LP filter or parallel eq yada yada don’t care. I’ve played 2 mixes of the same song to my wife who is just completely illiterate to music production and they were dramatically different mixes and she couldn’t even tell any difference in listening to them initially. It matters more than it doesn’t of course but to what degree? I’d say a hair under my gear being labeled on the instruments track 😂 (that shit just kills me especially when the drums sound so shitty they can’t even barely be triggered and blended to help them)
I wish they would remix it like this for the 30th. Not like the almost identical but not as good Albini mix we got in 2013.
Do you think if Hetfield commited suicide after st.Anger would it have become a sacred piece as in utero is to nirvana fans?
No way, In Utero is a very good album, St.Anger would just keep getting shit on regardless because it just sucks
Almost certainly
Is this whole video supposed to be just shitting on Nirvana? Like was this more pleasing to listen to after you mixed it, at all? Lots of times in the video you said how you hated what you were doing but it "worked" so im just confused.
hey mike, i dont' know a lot about mixing so i wanted to ask... what goes lower as frequencies go? like bass 80 khz and kickdrum 60?
You can't ruin Nirvana, because they already suck big time.
(Disclaimer: I strongly dislike Nirvana for various reason, but that DOESN'T MEAN they suck. If you like Nirvana, that's fine (although I strongly urge you to grow up).
Heart Shaped Box is actually one of the maybe 3 songs I find enjoyable)
Yeah whenever a in utero song comes on in a playist it sounds flat as mike explained
I think you were successful in what you were trying to do. And I think that's a bad thing =p. Haha I feel like you killed the soul of it. Coming from Brazil, where rock music got completely taken over by corporate interests and censorships since the 80s, I appreciate immeasurably Kurt's struggle to keep doing what he wanted to do. I see your remix as what would happen if the corporate big wigs had won.
But now I have a challenge.. In the same vein as what you just did. Lost in Vegas reacted to some Mastodon's (Blood and Thunder, Oblivion) and didn't appreciate the "raw" mixing. If you watch the videos, you'll see they find the mix "muffled". They even think the "problem" might be on their end. Some other bands like this kind of mix, like Baroness and Pelican. The suggestion is to "'unmuffle" a Mastodon song from one of those albums (to a standard somebody like Lost in Vegas would appreciate, clean, pristine, thick and full).
I want you to try an remix Metal Militia
yknow man, i kinda wish you were my uncle
22:07 oh god, now that whistle will bug the hell out of me when I hear the original. RUINED! 😂
Nice video. Prefer the original, but it’s interesting to hear your take on it.
Sounded like butt 😮
Does anybody know if Mike is a smoker? His voice sounds raspier than usual to my ears.
I hope he hasn't done anything potentially harmful to his vocal cords.
The vocals might be a little more biting than I would like from the original (I'm not a Nirvana fan either) but the rest is SIC!!
I agree to an extent! There's something intimate in the verse that gets lost and I wanted to keep that in tact. I like how they bite in the chorus myself, but to each their own!
I'm at 12:05 and the only difference I can kinda notice is your version is a bit more louder like on the drums, or maybe that's just my mind fucking with me
help chug the algorithm plz
Could you re-mix change by the Deftones? Probably get some of them tiktok viewers 😅
It's very nice, but your mix is louder, not fare, 1.2 DB louder at list. You already know the comp in youtube.
If there is a track I'd want to see remixed that needs it badly it's the title track of Dogman by King's X! Want to like that track more than I do but I can tell it's not Brendan O'Brien at his best work! Doubt you'll get to do this but it would be cool if you do! Thanks and have a good day!
As long as you don’t add a Cardi B feature then I’ll allow it
You're a Metallica fan, how are you going to grasp a masterpiece like In Utero??
Was this sarcasm?
@@totallynuts7595 No.
@@nonalien-l1n So you judged his taste in music based on his tshirt? Did you watch any other video from him? Do you have any idea what bands he likes and which he doesn't? And the why behind it?
In short, he has a preference for complex composition and a crisp and clear sound. He admits that composition doesn't have to be complex to sound good, so he doesn't have a problem with simple music, it's just that he usually doesn't care about it. The thing with Nirvana, and he has said it and is right about it, is that they sound off in the 2 out of 3 albums. Whatever reasons Kurt Cobain and the band had to want it to sound like that, it comes across as, and for lack of better words on my end, edgy. It's like edgy teenagers wanting to play music that sounds like crap and harsh out of spite. But the result isn't something more profound, it's just shit sound. The same way the production of some black metal albums sounds shit (like Darkthrone)
@@totallynuts7595 thank you for educating me.
tryin to make it worth your while :^)
Buy a power conditionner with a battery to be able to save when power goes out :)
where did you get the multi-tracks so some of us can have a go ?