not like you get guaranteed purple talent/weapon ascension material at max level domain in genshin and that too for 20 resin which takes 8 min each. And not to forget there's a gold tier material for weapon ascension as well?
@@scsysnake7529yeah.they make it like hsr more complicated than genshin.i think farming material ascension in genshin also have specific day u can farming on it while in hsr,all material ascension available.daily not to mention.also the helps with auto battle which helps a lot.what the big deal anyway?
@@scsysnake7529 yeah I can't accept the fact they think the money cost to upgrade all the skill is insane.i was thinking what about genshin?ITS EVEN MORE INSANE.srsly bro all this genshin player some of them just retard
I feel like this is more of a problem for us right now since relatively speaking, we are still just starting out. This is a gacha game we are talking about after all. Coming from other gacha games, though I will specifically use genshin as an example, starting out was also such a pain because - well, you had to farm for everything at the same time. Take genshin's mora for example, I remember a time when I would constantly run out of it because everything is just so expensive. In fact, building one character from scratch takes about 7 million mora overall. So not only do you have to farm for boss materials, exp books, enemy drops (which was more a pain back then when the map was still smaller with less enemies), talent books (WHICH YOU CAN ONLY FARM ON SPECIFIC DAYS A WEEK), weapon ascension materials (same issue as talent books), ores for upgrading said weapons, and finally the ever painful artifact farm. Now after about 3 years of playing I have more mora that I could ever need, I literally cap out on the weapon upgrade ores, enough exp books to lvl 90 at least 6 characters, and lots more. I'm not saying that this isn't a problem with star rail - in fact rn I am in so much pain not being able to farm even the proper main stats for character relics I need. But I feel like star rail is definitely much more "forgiving?" in that you can farm for whatever you need at any day and the overall investment is lower when it comes to maxing out one single character in terms of stamina/resin. Right now as a low spender, I don't really stress much on not being able to clear because in my mind - this game is a very stat-checky and just requires plain old properly built characters. It just takes some patience (which tbh i don't have).
this is literally worse than genshin tho, the traces is like having 4 talents to level when genshin is literally level E and Q. Even for supports you're leveling majority of the traces except NA. You have ascension traces to level, the small ones, the relics, the weapon, and the character. Idk where you got that HSR is more "forgiving" than Genshin. Genshin has the struggle of artifact grinding, but HSR ramps up in credit cost that it's too expensive to even get characters to lvl 70.
this guy wants genshin 2.0 when genshin 1.0 isn't even completed???? As for your take on the pre farming of bosses and weekly bosses, shenhe needed the new open world bosses which unlocks after doing a 3hr long quest, miko needed raiden boss materials to level up her talents and not to forget you're only guaranteed 2 drops even after you hit AR60 and a weekly boss can be farmed ONCE A WEEK. In hsr you can farm it for upto 3 times in the same week which is far more efficient cuz me trying to crown my miko took 2 months lmao, not to forget that you have wait for specific days to farm a specific talent book and another day for weapon enhancement, the rng with the boss material drop rates, the surplus boss drops in my inventory just dreading over there, as for resource hsr is far more better than genshin. just because you've hit late game in genshin and your resources are stacking up doesn't mean its better than hsr which started 2 months ago and are struggling to farm trace materials, also please correct your title its Affect and not effect.
I agree with you and this was my primary comment in the last player feedback survey they did. One reason I didn't pull for Blade yet (and may not) is because I'm still building most of my primary units I use. My Luocha isn't close to being useable yet in any difficult content as well even though I got him weeks ago. I just got a decent 5* relic set for March so every week I get a little better. Yet I still need to upgrade traces on March and my other primary units. They set the game up to be pretty onerous for upgrading your units fully and in my mind, it is a trap for people to spend money. I simply refuse to fall in these gacha game traps so that's one reason why I don't have a lot of maxed out units. Really, HSR is all about a pay to progress faster model but who says you can't progress slowly if you want to keep your F2P pride? It's not like there is a big real-life reward for conquering everything in HSR anyway.
I wasted a bunch of primogems wishing for a lot of 5 stars in Genshin and I really regret it because a lot of them are just collecting dust. A bunch of them I haven't even started building because I despise artifact farming that much. I've definitely learnt my lesson and i'll only be pulling for characters in HSR that I truly intend to use.
I will say that it does deter me from pulling units i'm not sure I want because I simply don't have enough resources. I wish we would have double drops once a month or at least one purple guaranteed at max rank
I will pull kafka but I dont have Sampo so instead of prefarming for Kafka Luka Sampo, imma gonna build my E5 Serval and play her with Kafka untill I can build those 2
Your inventory shows you have like 20 dragon boss materials, that's a waste of energy. You don't need that much. Also, I had almost no materials for blade, and got him to 80, with trace levels to 8, all nodes, in three days.
early traces are super fast its just the later onces who are really painfull BUT they arent needed in most cases i wont lie im farming them because i like to have everything on my character maxed but you wont hear me complain about it just because i wanna max it, knowing that i wont need it and could spend my energy more wisely somewhere else :P
You did have mats, you had to at least have some exp and enough money. Not having those 2 things that makes it impossible to lv80 someone in a three days, let alone a week if you had little to none to start with. Even with traces especially if u dont use any trailblaze thingy, and not even to start with relics that wont be complete and optimal for another month with my luck lol.
I have enough resources to lvl 80 kafka. I've recently ascensioned my primary team and all supports and healers are level 75, my JY and Seele are level 80 and it carries me already on MoC 10 so i'm saving all the resources for Kafka. What's annoying is getting the exp for Relics. Hoyoverse should fix this
This is essentially a resource management game for a non whale player. Ur not meant to pull for level up and build every new character. You have limited resources and have to make choices how to build ur teams. IF u wasted resources and built up a character u dont wanna use, thats entirely ur fault.
It's definitely slower than Genshin, but they had to because there isn't much of a world to explore or other things to do, they need to keep players motivated to keep playing. I think that artifacts/relics being equally as bad as Genshin is a much worse problem combined with the slower lvl mat gains. I finally rolled a near perfect 4 stat relic chest for Kafka, 3 out of 4 good subs, level it up to 6 and both roll flat hp and I hit alt+f4 out of there... Not sure how many players are willing to put up with this all over again after years of Genshin, and really wasn't necessary when they made the rest of the lvl up mat progression so much slower.
Jing Yuan is still good. I do agree to not pull right away and I do think the resources will get better as time goes on like in Genshin. Genshin had terrible resources in the beginning but not so much after almost 3 years.
Personally, I think it’s ok for characters to be gate kept by the update mats and such. But u should be able to get them whenever so people aren’t pressured to Tio the story like a tp to the item.
The game is super stingy for resources and it's becoming quite frustrating to me. I see how little progress I make with 160 trailblaze power. I hope there are more double drops coming
Traces build is just endgame content. And that is first begin of mistake. Invest into traces. First are exp and [special] traces. Later lc and set. Once you done it you focus at banners for e6 4 stars at first. yes because they give you free traces. And later others rerun give you stars which you exchange for rewards. When you done at all you go on next char. Logic. Warning lc choose wisely the one which you wont changed in next time or original lc for users. Do not waste of investing into normal traces because it is just waste of resources. When you enter of guide trial of chars look at how many points they invest always into chars 8 points max. And nothing is more annyoing then your char which you invest of time are stay ussless because you cant upgrade her properly by not having resources. Sorry but they never gonna add this thing they push us for thinking so you have to play into economy because thats how asian games are created. Mechanic of genshin shop when you reroll of banners always get a stars which later perish them into next tickets right? The same strategy is here too.
Getting enough XP materials and Trace Materials to get a character to 70, with level 6 traces and most minor traces unlocked, takes like 4-5 days. The 5* Ascension materials take 2 days. It's really not THAT bad to farm for characters you really want. Even if you do that for every character as they come out, you only really lose 1 week out of 4 each month, since that's roughly the rate that these characters are coming at. Not to mention, when reruns start, you will have a breather and won't need to worry as much then. And Relic farming will just always be a part of these games, I think. I guess I just really don't think this is a problem. But I'm sorry that you're finding it frustrating.
true about the ascension materials. Not even close for the trace mats though. I've been prefarming for DHIL for a few days already and I'm not even halfway done.
Yee I'm currently building 4 FUCKING 4 Nihility units cause of Kafka took me about 1 week to farm the mats AND credits AND her lightcone stuff (that's mostly cause I'm trying to build out like 10 units) to be able to push the MoC what I know for sure is I'm skipping next two banners thanks to some dreams.
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they should really make trace materials drop guaranteed purple in the max level one cuz this is really just stupid
not like you get guaranteed purple talent/weapon ascension material at max level domain in genshin and that too for 20 resin which takes 8 min each. And not to forget there's a gold tier material for weapon ascension as well?
@@scsysnake7529yeah.they make it like hsr more complicated than genshin.i think farming material ascension in genshin also have specific day u can farming on it while in hsr,all material ascension available.daily not to mention.also the helps with auto battle which helps a lot.what the big deal anyway?
Not stupid as genshin
@@eager5334 exactly, when hoyo is giving what people asked for and they're still not satisfied 🤡🤡🤡
@@scsysnake7529 yeah I can't accept the fact they think the money cost to upgrade all the skill is insane.i was thinking what about genshin?ITS EVEN MORE INSANE.srsly bro all this genshin player some of them just retard
I feel like this is more of a problem for us right now since relatively speaking, we are still just starting out. This is a gacha game we are talking about after all. Coming from other gacha games, though I will specifically use genshin as an example, starting out was also such a pain because - well, you had to farm for everything at the same time.
Take genshin's mora for example, I remember a time when I would constantly run out of it because everything is just so expensive. In fact, building one character from scratch takes about 7 million mora overall. So not only do you have to farm for boss materials, exp books, enemy drops (which was more a pain back then when the map was still smaller with less enemies), talent books (WHICH YOU CAN ONLY FARM ON SPECIFIC DAYS A WEEK), weapon ascension materials (same issue as talent books), ores for upgrading said weapons, and finally the ever painful artifact farm.
Now after about 3 years of playing I have more mora that I could ever need, I literally cap out on the weapon upgrade ores, enough exp books to lvl 90 at least 6 characters, and lots more.
I'm not saying that this isn't a problem with star rail - in fact rn I am in so much pain not being able to farm even the proper main stats for character relics I need. But I feel like star rail is definitely much more "forgiving?" in that you can farm for whatever you need at any day and the overall investment is lower when it comes to maxing out one single character in terms of stamina/resin. Right now as a low spender, I don't really stress much on not being able to clear because in my mind - this game is a very stat-checky and just requires plain old properly built characters. It just takes some patience (which tbh i don't have).
we shall not worry as there are "dreams" going around that they will increase the resin in 1.3 to 240 i think.
@@konvex69 are they changing the regen rate for the resin or just the amount u can store?
@@konvex69 lmaooo not tectonic dreams
@@shaninaqvi4500 just the amount but you also get a reserve to store the resin which go off the cap limit
this is literally worse than genshin tho, the traces is like having 4 talents to level when genshin is literally level E and Q. Even for supports you're leveling majority of the traces except NA. You have ascension traces to level, the small ones, the relics, the weapon, and the character. Idk where you got that HSR is more "forgiving" than Genshin. Genshin has the struggle of artifact grinding, but HSR ramps up in credit cost that it's too expensive to even get characters to lvl 70.
this guy wants genshin 2.0 when genshin 1.0 isn't even completed???? As for your take on the pre farming of bosses and weekly bosses, shenhe needed the new open world bosses which unlocks after doing a 3hr long quest, miko needed raiden boss materials to level up her talents and not to forget you're only guaranteed 2 drops even after you hit AR60 and a weekly boss can be farmed ONCE A WEEK. In hsr you can farm it for upto 3 times in the same week which is far more efficient cuz me trying to crown my miko took 2 months lmao, not to forget that you have wait for specific days to farm a specific talent book and another day for weapon enhancement, the rng with the boss material drop rates, the surplus boss drops in my inventory just dreading over there, as for resource hsr is far more better than genshin. just because you've hit late game in genshin and your resources are stacking up doesn't mean its better than hsr which started 2 months ago and are struggling to farm trace materials, also please correct your title its Affect and not effect.
as a f2p player I don't worry about not having mats cause I don't have any characters to build :D
Yeah, trace materials makes me not want to pull units that would lead me to invest into more 2 or 3 units :<
*stares at Kafka*
I agree with you and this was my primary comment in the last player feedback survey they did. One reason I didn't pull for Blade yet (and may not) is because I'm still building most of my primary units I use. My Luocha isn't close to being useable yet in any difficult content as well even though I got him weeks ago. I just got a decent 5* relic set for March so every week I get a little better. Yet I still need to upgrade traces on March and my other primary units. They set the game up to be pretty onerous for upgrading your units fully and in my mind, it is a trap for people to spend money. I simply refuse to fall in these gacha game traps so that's one reason why I don't have a lot of maxed out units. Really, HSR is all about a pay to progress faster model but who says you can't progress slowly if you want to keep your F2P pride? It's not like there is a big real-life reward for conquering everything in HSR anyway.
I wasted a bunch of primogems wishing for a lot of 5 stars in Genshin and I really regret it because a lot of them are just collecting dust. A bunch of them I haven't even started building because I despise artifact farming that much. I've definitely learnt my lesson and i'll only be pulling for characters in HSR that I truly intend to use.
that was ur mistake for not managing ur acc correctly
I will say that it does deter me from pulling units i'm not sure I want because I simply don't have enough resources.
I wish we would have double drops once a month or at least one purple guaranteed at max rank
I will pull kafka but I dont have Sampo so instead of prefarming for Kafka Luka Sampo, imma gonna build my E5 Serval and play her with Kafka untill I can build those 2
this is soo true, i have yukong welt luocha and i want to get dang hang IL but i didn't even fully build the those 3 character yet
Me who is TL 65 and still get 0 purples on abundance trace materials: 💀
(Why did i type trance instead of trace)
You were so shocked about not having the materials you fell into a trance
Your inventory shows you have like 20 dragon boss materials, that's a waste of energy. You don't need that much. Also, I had almost no materials for blade, and got him to 80, with trace levels to 8, all nodes, in three days.
early traces are super fast its just the later onces who are really painfull BUT they arent needed in most cases i wont lie im farming them because i like to have everything on my character maxed but you wont hear me complain about it just because i wanna max it, knowing that i wont need it and could spend my energy more wisely somewhere else :P
You did have mats, you had to at least have some exp and enough money. Not having those 2 things that makes it impossible to lv80 someone in a three days, let alone a week if you had little to none to start with. Even with traces especially if u dont use any trailblaze thingy, and not even to start with relics that wont be complete and optimal for another month with my luck lol.
...that's why unit's ate rated by stats
I have enough resources to lvl 80 kafka. I've recently ascensioned my primary team and all supports and healers are level 75, my JY and Seele are level 80 and it carries me already on MoC 10 so i'm saving all the resources for Kafka. What's annoying is getting the exp for Relics. Hoyoverse should fix this
do u have resources to level up her dot team aswell. Kafka is an extremely resource hungry if u wanna build the whole dot team.
This is essentially a resource management game for a non whale player. Ur not meant to pull for level up and build every new character. You have limited resources and have to make choices how to build ur teams.
IF u wasted resources and built up a character u dont wanna use, thats entirely ur fault.
That's why I only pull for and build husbandos LOL! There arent many of them 😂
It's definitely slower than Genshin, but they had to because there isn't much of a world to explore or other things to do, they need to keep players motivated to keep playing. I think that artifacts/relics being equally as bad as Genshin is a much worse problem combined with the slower lvl mat gains.
I finally rolled a near perfect 4 stat relic chest for Kafka, 3 out of 4 good subs, level it up to 6 and both roll flat hp and I hit alt+f4 out of there... Not sure how many players are willing to put up with this all over again after years of Genshin, and really wasn't necessary when they made the rest of the lvl up mat progression so much slower.
Jing Yuan is still good. I do agree to not pull right away and I do think the resources will get better as time goes on like in Genshin. Genshin had terrible resources in the beginning but not so much after almost 3 years.
This guy shat on JY too not surprised
Personally, I think it’s ok for characters to be gate kept by the update mats and such. But u should be able to get them whenever so people aren’t pressured to Tio the story like a tp to the item.
Just don't play MoC & our mind will be at peace.
The game is super stingy for resources and it's becoming quite frustrating to me. I see how little progress I make with 160 trailblaze power. I hope there are more double drops coming
Traces build is just endgame content. And that is first begin of mistake.
Invest into traces.
First are exp and [special] traces.
Later lc and set.
Once you done it you focus at banners for e6 4 stars at first. yes because they give you free traces.
And later others rerun give you stars which you exchange for rewards.
When you done at all you go on next char. Logic.
Warning lc choose wisely the one which you wont changed in next time or original lc for users.
Do not waste of investing into normal traces because it is just waste of resources.
When you enter of guide trial of chars look at how many points they invest always into chars 8 points max.
And nothing is more annyoing then your char which you invest of time are stay ussless because you cant upgrade her properly by not having resources.
Sorry but they never gonna add this thing they push us for thinking so you have to play into economy because thats how asian games are created.
Mechanic of genshin shop when you reroll of banners always get a stars which later perish them into next tickets right?
The same strategy is here too.
Getting enough XP materials and Trace Materials to get a character to 70, with level 6 traces and most minor traces unlocked, takes like 4-5 days. The 5* Ascension materials take 2 days. It's really not THAT bad to farm for characters you really want. Even if you do that for every character as they come out, you only really lose 1 week out of 4 each month, since that's roughly the rate that these characters are coming at. Not to mention, when reruns start, you will have a breather and won't need to worry as much then. And Relic farming will just always be a part of these games, I think.
I guess I just really don't think this is a problem. But I'm sorry that you're finding it frustrating.
He doesn't care , look at all his Honkai Star Rail video. It's literally just complaining for content
true about the ascension materials. Not even close for the trace mats though. I've been prefarming for DHIL for a few days already and I'm not even halfway done.
He seems to wanna speedrun the game. Build a character from 0 to level 80 maxed out with full gear and traces in a day.
Yee I'm currently building 4 FUCKING 4 Nihility units cause of Kafka took me about 1 week to farm the mats AND credits AND her lightcone stuff (that's mostly cause I'm trying to build out like 10 units) to be able to push the MoC what I know for sure is I'm skipping next two banners thanks to some dreams.
Imo
Jingyuan should have been imaginary... idk his kit is so yellow and a imaginary susanoo appears in his ult
I hope you're still not crying wolf like this a month later, kid.
petition for full lvl reset in the game
holy cow, this was rough to watch. Just some friendly advice. SLOW DOWN and enunciate
i thought i was on 1.25x 😭
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