@Kratolious The whole "I still believe in goodness, I still believe that we can be kind" segment technically, especially when he says _"lead from the heart_ and see what starts" as a callback to Polites going "whatever we face, we'll be fine if we've _leading from the heart"_ in Open Arms
I know I already commented but I can't stop thinking about Ody not wanting anyone to question his decisions, given the line "I need you to always be devout, and comply with this, or we'll all die in this." Why is he suddenly acting like this? Is it because he's both the captain and the king of Ithaca, and thus his word is law? No. It's because the last time someone questioned him, it led to death. Polites challenged the mindset he learned from Athena, and tried to teach him that mercy is still an option and that it's okay to be kind even to foes. Combine that with what happened to Polites shortly after, it's no wonder Odysseus doesn't want anyone to undermine him and his decisions. He doesn't want anyone else to die as a result of them questioning what he's doing. Look at what happens when the crew opens the bag he gets from Aeolus. Poseidon is able to track them down and drown 500+ men. All because they didn't listen to Ody.
i don't see a reason why he would be stern about his decision. i can see that happening during and after "Keep Your Friends Close" (with winions planting the "it's treasure!" seed on the crew's head) but it kinda came out of the left field in this one. Polites did challenged his mind set but Odysseus still believed in that mindset ("i still believed in goodness, i still believe that we could be kind") even after the "incident". and to a certain degree, he was rewarded for believing in others (Aeolus actually bottled up the storm) but this song is prior to that. and the "incident" with Polyphemus doesn't really provide a reason for the undermining part either? cause Odysseus already spiked the wine prior to the engagement so he's following Polites' mind set (trying to settle this peacefully) while still knowing that some enemy might not follow that mind set. he did a great job directing his soldiers and his soldiers are actually listening to him. right before the club came out and (sadly) hit Polites first which made Odysseus freezes up. more of an unlucky situation rather than anyone's fault.
To be fair, the Polites episode happens AFTER this segment. Odysseus still hasn't gotten the lesson that he SHOULD be harsh, demanding and uncompromising with anyone if he wants to get home with the rest of his crew.
Temptation. The Winions, or just servants or creations of Aeolus, tempted the crew with the idea that the bag was filled with treasure. They played on the crew's curiosity, tempting their hand to disobey Odysseus.
@@prestonstanley7736 that's what makes it more stupid in my opinion. I mean, he went to the home of the Wind God, which during this song they thing is something really dangerous and whatnot. He comes back with the storm all clear saying that it's trapped on the bag. And then the minions of the "dangerous" wind god tell them it's treasure I mean, why would the wing god just give him treasure for no reason. I think at least Eurylhicus ( I don't know how to spell his name lol ) should be on Ody's side and watch the bag while he was asleep
@@dyegoeduardosantossilva3659 And makes more stupid if you remember than the last man who do same. Polites, just avoided burn a town of people sick of drugs
Osysseus is infamous for being a liar and a trickstet, very usefull to fight the enemy but It also makes him less trusted by his allies. Also, he sould have been more ruthless and declare opening the bag would be an act of treason
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The little callback to Open Arms, I can't 😭
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@Kratolious The whole "I still believe in goodness, I still believe that we can be kind" segment technically, especially when he says _"lead from the heart_ and see what starts" as a callback to Polites going "whatever we face, we'll be fine if we've _leading from the heart"_ in Open Arms
@@kittycatzuka ah thanks
Whole saga is full of the same callbacks) and i love it for this))
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I know I already commented but I can't stop thinking about Ody not wanting anyone to question his decisions, given the line "I need you to always be devout, and comply with this, or we'll all die in this." Why is he suddenly acting like this? Is it because he's both the captain and the king of Ithaca, and thus his word is law?
No.
It's because the last time someone questioned him, it led to death. Polites challenged the mindset he learned from Athena, and tried to teach him that mercy is still an option and that it's okay to be kind even to foes. Combine that with what happened to Polites shortly after, it's no wonder Odysseus doesn't want anyone to undermine him and his decisions. He doesn't want anyone else to die as a result of them questioning what he's doing.
Look at what happens when the crew opens the bag he gets from Aeolus. Poseidon is able to track them down and drown 500+ men. All because they didn't listen to Ody.
i don't see a reason why he would be stern about his decision. i can see that happening during and after "Keep Your Friends Close" (with winions planting the "it's treasure!" seed on the crew's head) but it kinda came out of the left field in this one.
Polites did challenged his mind set but Odysseus still believed in that mindset ("i still believed in goodness, i still believe that we could be kind") even after the "incident".
and to a certain degree, he was rewarded for believing in others (Aeolus actually bottled up the storm) but this song is prior to that.
and the "incident" with Polyphemus doesn't really provide a reason for the undermining part either? cause Odysseus already spiked the wine prior to the engagement so he's following Polites' mind set (trying to settle this peacefully) while still knowing that some enemy might not follow that mind set. he did a great job directing his soldiers and his soldiers are actually listening to him. right before the club came out and (sadly) hit Polites first which made Odysseus freezes up. more of an unlucky situation rather than anyone's fault.
To be fair, the Polites episode happens AFTER this segment. Odysseus still hasn't gotten the lesson that he SHOULD be harsh, demanding and uncompromising with anyone if he wants to get home with the rest of his crew.
@TheNewRedOne Polites died in the cyclops saga, before this segment here. In Survive, I think :)
DAYM BRO PUT A WHOLE ASS ESSAY 💀
He literally said he was gonna go to the Wind Gods home.. and came back with a mysterious bag… why the fuck did they still open it 😂😭
Temptation. The Winions, or just servants or creations of Aeolus, tempted the crew with the idea that the bag was filled with treasure. They played on the crew's curiosity, tempting their hand to disobey Odysseus.
@@prestonstanley7736 that's what makes it more stupid in my opinion. I mean, he went to the home of the Wind God, which during this song they thing is something really dangerous and whatnot. He comes back with the storm all clear saying that it's trapped on the bag. And then the minions of the "dangerous" wind god tell them it's treasure
I mean, why would the wing god just give him treasure for no reason. I think at least Eurylhicus ( I don't know how to spell his name lol ) should be on Ody's side and watch the bag while he was asleep
@@dyegoeduardosantossilva3659 And makes more stupid if you remember than the last man who do same. Polites, just avoided burn a town of people sick of drugs
Osysseus is infamous for being a liar and a trickstet, very usefull to fight the enemy but It also makes him less trusted by his allies.
Also, he sould have been more ruthless and declare opening the bag would be an act of treason
Whole series is amazing
yall its my first time listening to the musical, going in order, and holy. pray for me yall -- a newbie
Godspeed.
I feel there is something wrong to ask for prayer in the context of the greek gods😅
@@hecticfunentertainment9373 ppl prayed to the Greek gods in Ancient Greece 😅
so I heard something from an animation that how y'all hear how eurylochus is getting louder, he's trying to make the other crew hear him.
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hahaha it's the first time i heard the song but i reply okay at the end with the exact same ton xD
ruh roh raggy