Yep, the E4300 was already tested overclocked against the E4500 at equal speeds. What I am more interested is how would the Extreme Edition of the D 955 or 965 with Hyperthreading would stack up against the E4300/E4500/E6300.
@@MusicHavenSG Need to find one that isn't cooked and that isn't $100 on ebay. But I will get one and a board to support it properly and we'll get the test done. Also got a few other things I'm working on at the moment, so it is on the list :).
All the early ones were pretty good. Used to run my E2200 at 3.0Ghz and it was happy as could be. The Msi Platinum it was on would get flaky if I tried to go any faster.
@@jims_junkf you are looking for cheap Pentium D EE 965, buy a Xeon 5080. It's 771 variant of Pentium 965 and few months ago my friend found one for very cheap.
My dad was who got me into old computers. I never owned a Pentium D but I want to just to see for myself how bad it is. I've heard nothing but bad things about them and how they ran super hot while getting nothing done. Great video, thank you.
this transition era to me began as the death of moores law . lets face it going from netburst to core architecture yield up to 500 percent improvement in a 2 year span (pentium D 945 vs qx9650 core 2 quad ) there has never been this big a jump since and honestly it takes nearly 5-10 years now to notice any real world improvements in cpus now
Read the definition of this law. It doesn't say anything about the performance or the density of transistors. It's just about their number. So the Moore's law is more alive than all of its buriers. In the first iteration (1965) it stated that the number of transistors doubles every year. In the second (1975) - every two years. Now the number of transistors doubles every three years. So it's a not so big difference.
@@saszab great to know , however in real world day to day its dead as it gets when 17 year old hardware can still run modern day to day application respectfully and before 2007 things became obselete around every 3 years
I'm not going to lie, RUclips was on autoplay and this started playing and I immediately pulled my attention towards this and away from what I was doing. Kudos!
Good video. Maybe Intel released a faster Pentium D cpu for OEM's that had chip sets on motherboards that couldn't support Core 2 Duo but could support Pentium D. I could be wrong but I remember owning a Dell tower that could support this cpu but not Core 2 Duo. I also remember the heat waves coming off that cpu.
Back then I naively believed that my single core 3.2 Ghz Pentium 4 HT could match or exceed the performance of a 1.6 Ghz Dual core, and that most apps and games were single threaded anyways so no point in getting a dual core, most game minimum requirements listed high end P4´s and low end C2D as if they were in the same category...
Back in the old days we saw an IPC uplift of literally a 100% between generations! Nowadays, kids are happy with just ~15% uplift, heh! Kidding aside, I remember just how dishearten I was when I realized just how supremely powerful the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 were. I was certain that PC gaming would just belly up and die, not much unlike gaming on Mac. But then Intel and Nvidia came up with their Tesla and Core architectures respectively in 2006 and literally changed the entire PC gaming industry. It's a shame hardware just isn't as exciting anymore as it used to...
I think a neat idea to attempt is comparing Pentium D Smithfield vs Presler to see how big of a difference the extra cache makes. Could also Compare the D 805 to the D 820 to see what difference the 533 MHz FSB of the 805 makes.
Quite a few people have also suggested this. Issue is finding a decent PD extreme cheap. Some people want around $100 on ebay....yeahhhh not paying $100 for a D lol. So yes definitely will do this, just gotta find one first and a board worthy.
@@jims_junk you could get a xeon for lga 771 as they are much cheaper and with modding they can be used on a 775 board. like a xeon 5060 (2c/4t) netburst cpu costs only around $10
I'de like to see comparison even with the oldest AMD dual cores, I always thought that C2D was much better, but my first C2D was E8200 which was already like 2 years newer. I noticed that AMDs had lower ram latency back in the day (probably because of memory controller in CPU) but general performance and gaming performance didn't look that impressive to me back in the day.
I would try playing those h264 videos directly on WMP, I'm sure they'll run smoother. But h264 1080p 60fps is a pipedream. 30fps might work well. I heard an ex AMD employee say that to his surprise, one of the Intel people once told him proudly that they were going to push the Netburst architecture to 5GHz, which never happened in the end. At the time the mentality was higher clock = best cpu. So yeah, I'm sure they were pushing Netburst hard, and it probably was a hard decision (lots of $$$) to give up and go with the Tualatin/Pentium M architecture and start all over again. It's not such a great idea to game on those old CPUs (PD or C2D) but they still could be used as a desktop computer for light work and can be had for very little money. Max out the ram and you're good to go with a light GNU/Linux distro. Thanks for your videos. This one is very very similar to your previous ones (PD vs C2D) but they're still good.
Yeah I just do the RUclips thing as a benchmark. Playing them in something like VLC is much easier on the cpu. I heard the same about speed btw, there were articles back in the day saying how the new Pentium 4 was going to reach upwards of 10Ghz because of this "amazing" new architecture. And yes this is an updated version of that old video .. people had asked about graphs and such so I just reedited everything added graphs and rendered it in 4k . I wish we had the ability to reupload a video while keeping the comments and such but unfortunately we can't.
one of my friends had a 2.4ghz Celeron D, the thing struggled with most of the games he had, i remember it lagged so bad we had sync issues playing age of empires 3 against each other. he managed to overclock it to 3ghz but it didn't help that much.
Yeah they were pretty much worthless. I benchmarked one in one of my videos as well as overclocked it in that same video. Even overclocked the thing was worthless. I hadn't used one in years but it brought back the frustration of how useless the thing was.
I had period correct equipment for both and I knew how this beatdown was going to go. If Intel would have kept pressing the P4 instead of wising up with how much better the M cpus were they would have been buried by AMD. The C2D were a breath of fresh and fast air for Intel.
espero en un futuro, ver un procesador que descubrí gracias a tus videos, el Pentium D Extreme Edition I hope in the future, see a processor that I discovered thanks to your videos, the Pentium D Extreme Edition
Ah I remember having a P4. Yeah it wasn't as quick as you hoped it was. Shame really. And when AMD came out with the AMD 64 line up... I was gone. Yes Dual Core AMD64. Good times.
@@user-di7bb4yk1y could be that it was officially released in q3 but advanced press kits were made available early which I think is usually the case for other products
I went from an athlon > pentium d > core 2 quad > i7 920 for me the pentium d was decent. tbh most games at that time were graphics limited anyway. my ti200 back then struggled to play CSS. those things went out of date hella quick
@@IntegerOfDoom My "current" PC has a pentium 4 Prescott at 2.66 GHz on socket 775 the model number is probably 506. It can barely do modern tasks while my father has a core i5 6500 that is waaaay better and the videos that i made that are on my YT channel are made using my father's PC and it's has somewhat decent OBS studio performance. I wish i will have a new PC soon
The Pentium D slow performace, especially in less predictable applications, and when stuff has to change can be explained by the fact that the CPU has to then flush the entire pipeline to continue, which on Prescott is a monstrous 31 stages long, allowing for impressive clocks, but poor overall preformace.
I like how 95w was considered very hot back then, but now amd makes "efficient and cool running" chips that use about the same power as the d, but this is a market where even an i5 can use up to 200w at turbo speeds.
Fun fact the E4300 is a great overlocker, you can usually get double the speed out of it.
Yep, the E4300 was already tested overclocked against the E4500 at equal speeds. What I am more interested is how would the Extreme Edition of the D 955 or 965 with Hyperthreading would stack up against the E4300/E4500/E6300.
@@MusicHavenSG Need to find one that isn't cooked and that isn't $100 on ebay. But I will get one and a board to support it properly and we'll get the test done. Also got a few other things I'm working on at the moment, so it is on the list :).
All the early ones were pretty good. Used to run my E2200 at 3.0Ghz and it was happy as could be. The Msi Platinum it was on would get flaky if I tried to go any faster.
@@jims_junkf you are looking for cheap Pentium D EE 965, buy a Xeon 5080. It's 771 variant of Pentium 965 and few months ago my friend found one for very cheap.
I also want to see the Pentium D 945 overclocked.
My dad was who got me into old computers. I never owned a Pentium D but I want to just to see for myself how bad it is. I've heard nothing but bad things about them and how they ran super hot while getting nothing done. Great video, thank you.
this transition era to me began as the death of moores law . lets face it going from netburst to core architecture yield up to 500 percent improvement in a 2 year span (pentium D 945 vs qx9650 core 2 quad ) there has never been this big a jump since and honestly it takes nearly 5-10 years now to notice any real world improvements in cpus now
Read the definition of this law. It doesn't say anything about the performance or the density of transistors. It's just about their number. So the Moore's law is more alive than all of its buriers. In the first iteration (1965) it stated that the number of transistors doubles every year. In the second (1975) - every two years. Now the number of transistors doubles every three years. So it's a not so big difference.
@@saszab great to know , however in real world day to day its dead as it gets when 17 year old hardware can still run modern day to day application respectfully and before 2007 things became obselete around every 3 years
I'm not going to lie, RUclips was on autoplay and this started playing and I immediately pulled my attention towards this and away from what I was doing. Kudos!
Definitely got my attention.
haha, thank you!
LOL that's how I found his video too! I'm also subscribed now. This is like the budget-builds channel just quick and to the point.
Good video. Maybe Intel released a faster Pentium D cpu for OEM's that had chip sets on motherboards that couldn't support Core 2 Duo but could support Pentium D. I could be wrong but I remember owning a Dell tower that could support this cpu but not Core 2 Duo. I also remember the heat waves coming off that cpu.
Yeah, I have an ASRock motherboard with a Socket 775 that only supports NetBurst CPU's... (it's the 775Dual-880Pro)
That's a good point
Back then I naively believed that my single core 3.2 Ghz Pentium 4 HT could match or exceed the performance of a 1.6 Ghz Dual core, and that most apps and games were single threaded anyways so no point in getting a dual core, most game minimum requirements listed high end P4´s and low end C2D as if they were in the same category...
surprised the Pentium D kept up within 10% or so with the clearly better Core 2 Duo E4300.
I am too..but then again the Pentium was clocked A LOT higher.
Not a chance if both are overclocked. No headroom for pentium D and 60%+ for core 2
Back in the old days we saw an IPC uplift of literally a 100% between generations! Nowadays, kids are happy with just ~15% uplift, heh!
Kidding aside, I remember just how dishearten I was when I realized just how supremely powerful the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 were. I was certain that PC gaming would just belly up and die, not much unlike gaming on Mac.
But then Intel and Nvidia came up with their Tesla and Core architectures respectively in 2006 and literally changed the entire PC gaming industry.
It's a shame hardware just isn't as exciting anymore as it used to...
Agreed
I think a neat idea to attempt is comparing Pentium D Smithfield vs Presler to see how big of a difference the extra cache makes. Could also Compare the D 805 to the D 820 to see what difference the 533 MHz FSB of the 805 makes.
You should see how the pentium D extremes do see how the 2c/4t of the PD do vs the C2D
Quite a few people have also suggested this. Issue is finding a decent PD extreme cheap. Some people want around $100 on ebay....yeahhhh not paying $100 for a D lol. So yes definitely will do this, just gotta find one first and a board worthy.
@@jims_junk you could get a xeon for lga 771 as they are much cheaper and with modding they can be used on a 775 board. like a xeon 5060 (2c/4t) netburst cpu costs only around $10
I'de like to see comparison even with the oldest AMD dual cores, I always thought that C2D was much better, but my first C2D was E8200 which was already like 2 years newer. I noticed that AMDs had lower ram latency back in the day (probably because of memory controller in CPU) but general performance and gaming performance didn't look that impressive to me back in the day.
He did that in previous videos. There's one with an Athlon x2 against both a core 2 duo and a Pentium D as well as a phenom x4 against a core 2 quad.
@@DannyDan09 interesting, I have to check it
Nice and informative video :)
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I would try playing those h264 videos directly on WMP, I'm sure they'll run smoother. But h264 1080p 60fps is a pipedream. 30fps might work well.
I heard an ex AMD employee say that to his surprise, one of the Intel people once told him proudly that they were going to push the Netburst architecture to 5GHz, which never happened in the end. At the time the mentality was higher clock = best cpu. So yeah, I'm sure they were pushing Netburst hard, and it probably was a hard decision (lots of $$$) to give up and go with the Tualatin/Pentium M architecture and start all over again.
It's not such a great idea to game on those old CPUs (PD or C2D) but they still could be used as a desktop computer for light work and can be had for very little money. Max out the ram and you're good to go with a light GNU/Linux distro.
Thanks for your videos. This one is very very similar to your previous ones (PD vs C2D) but they're still good.
Yeah I just do the RUclips thing as a benchmark. Playing them in something like VLC is much easier on the cpu. I heard the same about speed btw, there were articles back in the day saying how the new Pentium 4 was going to reach upwards of 10Ghz because of this "amazing" new architecture.
And yes this is an updated version of that old video .. people had asked about graphs and such so I just reedited everything added graphs and rendered it in 4k . I wish we had the ability to reupload a video while keeping the comments and such but unfortunately we can't.
one of my friends had a 2.4ghz Celeron D, the thing struggled with most of the games he had, i remember it lagged so bad we had sync issues playing age of empires 3 against each other. he managed to overclock it to 3ghz but it didn't help that much.
Yeah they were pretty much worthless. I benchmarked one in one of my videos as well as overclocked it in that same video. Even overclocked the thing was worthless. I hadn't used one in years but it brought back the frustration of how useless the thing was.
@@jims_junkOh yeah! Put a Pentium 4 641 in an emachines in place of the old Celeron D. the speed bump was immediately noticeable!
I had period correct equipment for both and I knew how this beatdown was going to go. If Intel would have kept pressing the P4 instead of wising up with how much better the M cpus were they would have been buried by AMD. The C2D were a breath of fresh and fast air for Intel.
had to take care for and service my dad's Pentium D 820 and really hated that machine
Would really love to see a review/comparision of the Pentium M 1.73Ghz.
I have a 945 machine. It's an Intel D102GGC2 motherboard, which officially can't swing Conroe at all (not that I have tried, and I should!).
espero en un futuro, ver un procesador que descubrí gracias a tus videos, el Pentium D Extreme Edition
I hope in the future, see a processor that I discovered thanks to your videos, the Pentium D Extreme Edition
Ah I remember having a P4. Yeah it wasn't as quick as you hoped it was. Shame really.
And when AMD came out with the AMD 64 line up... I was gone. Yes Dual Core AMD64. Good times.
E4300 was released half a year after D 945 to replace it, in 2006 there were only E6xxx processors.
According to Intel themselves, both were released in Q3 of 06
@@jims_junk Really, different sites indicate different dates. But the reviews date back to January-February.
@@user-di7bb4yk1y could be that it was officially released in q3 but advanced press kits were made available early which I think is usually the case for other products
I went from an athlon > pentium d > core 2 quad > i7 920 for me the pentium d was decent. tbh most games at that time were graphics limited anyway. my ti200 back then struggled to play CSS. those things went out of date hella quick
Interesting to compare Pentium D with dual Pentium III - i think older PIII will be better))
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I hate netburst
I had my old 2.4Ghz northwood cranked up to 3.2. It was hot, loud and god awful.
@@IntegerOfDoom My "current" PC has a pentium 4 Prescott at 2.66 GHz on socket 775 the model number is probably 506. It can barely do modern tasks while my father has a core i5 6500 that is waaaay better and the videos that i made that are on my YT channel are made using my father's PC and it's has somewhat decent OBS studio performance. I wish i will have a new PC soon
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The Pentium D slow performace, especially in less predictable applications, and when stuff has to change can be explained by the fact that the CPU has to then flush the entire pipeline to continue, which on Prescott is a monstrous 31 stages long, allowing for impressive clocks, but poor overall preformace.
I like how 95w was considered very hot back then, but now amd makes "efficient and cool running" chips that use about the same power as the d, but this is a market where even an i5 can use up to 200w at turbo speeds.
What is the pc specs ?
The D isn't very hot compared to modern cpus like the 13900K that eats over 200W, 95W is nothing by todays standarts
Dice. The plural of die (n.) is dice.
Back when AMD called out Intel for gluing and shamed, now, Intel has every right to shame on AMD.