Showcase Crackout - Comparing My Grades with NGC, How Did I Do?
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- Опубликовано: 16 фев 2023
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That toning is nuts. You might want to check your office for sulfur!
I really appreciate this video! Thank you for showing us the before and after grades. As to that toned coin -- yes, I have one such coin. It is an ASE that sat on a jeweler's shelf, on velvet, for a couple of years. I know the whole story of it, it is beautifully toned and 'naturally' toned, but would probably grade as 'Questionable Toning' were I to send it in.
Wild toning! I think you better check your office for a gas leak.....or possibly it's like you mentioned, all those bean burritos.😅
Fascinating toning! Maybe an air purifier for your office or have the HVAC guy look at your AC unit 😬
I heard somewhere taco bell napkins will make coins tone, maybe that's the connection with the bean burritos lol
Ben I love your videos! They are very informative, educational and entertaining. I am sure you have forgotten more about coins than I could ever hope to learn. I look forward to watching many more of them in the future. You use the term "Net Grade" from time to time in your videos. I understand your meaning in using this term completely. I am an NGC member and have had many coins graded in the past at both NGC and PCGS. I had a couple of Jefferson War Nickels (I purchased in a collection) that were very, very, very, very lightly cleaned if you will. These coins had the faintest almost imperceivable hairlines on a very small portion of each coin. These miniscule, faint, minute and almost imperceivable hairlines were only visible under extreme magnification (like 20X to 30X) at only a certain angle and lighting. Of course they came back as "Uncirculated Details - Cleaned". I was thinking these Spectacular Jefferson War Nickels (Nicely Toned) might receive this Mythical "Net Grade" or I would not have sent them in. I contacted NGC about this. I was told by an NGC representative that they do not under any circumstances award "Net Grades" on any denomination of coin no matter the value or the client who submitted them. Not on any coin ever. Not on a St. Gaudens, Not on a Stella or any Morgan, so on and so forth...not now nor at any time in the past. I was told that they just do not award "Net Grades" under any circumstances. I was either lied to directly by an NGC representative or they do not ever award "Net Grades" on cleaned coins no matter how imperceivable the hairlines of the cleaning may be. Maybe these "Net Graded" coins slip through from time to time? Mine did not "slip through" however. I would love for you to do a video just on this myth of "Net Grading" and your thoughts. Keep up the great work and have a great day!
Take a look at a stack of ms-60 coins and say net grading is a myth.
Should've cracked it out again! Fun video, get your air checked lol.
Crazy on the toner ! 👍
It looks like somebody liked that Morgan toner. You got a good sale for it. MS62 would have brought less. I still think MS62 is low on that coin so maybe that is why it sold well. I thought it was a nice coin even with the toning.
Nice job Ben! Thanks!
Thank you for so many amazing coins!!. I never seen such good examples on one channel. I hpe one day to buy one from you.
Jesus Ben, I'd hate to see what you're office looks like! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
My take it toning is toning despite it being "natural" or "artificial". If you like it great then buy it, but I certainly am not going to pay a lot extra for pretty corrosion. It's just too subjective to me compared to other grading standards to really lump it in as an important consideration.
I like the new format of showing the grade before. Odd to think I've been watching your videos so long that the off-screen sound of hammer taken to anvil brought back a distinct recollection of the coin.
Was the coin on your desk perhaps sitting on some paper/cardboard. wild video thanks for shareing.
or on the downlow if you dipped it ( or someone else when you werent looking) and didnt wash it off that be happen. i trust you 1000% if you say its natural im gonna get a bid in to
Ya done good. You have a good eye for grading all types of coins. Thanks for the informative video. Here's a suggestion for future RUclips videos. I ran across one of your videos where you briefly discussed net grading. Would you consider doing a deep dive into net grading. It's interesting coins come back with Details (e.g. cleaned, scratched, toning, etc.) but then you get a slab that may have a "detail" coin, but nothing is noted on the label. Thanks
I have an 1896 that sat on a book shelf for about 6 or 8 months and turned out that same type of toning. Im guessing the sulfur from the books had something to do with it. just because it didn't sit in a coin album or a bag in a vault type toning doesn't mean it's artificial! Maybe these companies need to do a little experimenting before they slab a coin, artificial Toning... I'm definitely not talking about whizzing or doctoring tone colors, pure natural toning.
I have experimented on original unc clad coins (i.e Susan B Anthony etc). by dipping them and then placing them in places to see what colors they turn. Although it's not comparable to silver, one turned some rainbow colors after being left in a cardboard box. Some Unc Roosevelt dimes (1980's) after being dipped turned light yellow being left in open air. In all these cases after dipping I thoroughly washed them in warm soap and water then rinsed and patted dry to make sure their was nothing left from dipping. I have learned that ounce you remove that "original mint skin" (for lack of a better term) theirs no predicting what colors your coins can turn if at all. Unless of course you carry out the same experiments over and over and achieve the same result. I would then place that into the category of artificial toning mostly because it was done with a known and intentional outcome even if not to deceive. The person who placed their Morgan dollar in a wooden desk 50 yrs ago and forgot about it, to later discover rainbow toning on it to me is not artificial toning. Of course their lie endless possibilities that lie somewhere in between. "Intent and time" all play their role but are hard to define and separate.
I did really good on my guesses. Nailed the first 3 coins. I guessed cleaned on the 87s and au58 on the 28 peace and au55 on the 1853 quarter
Nice toning! Pinto or black bean burritos?
Wow! That’s some quick toning!? I wonder if the low initial grade of 62 was a net grade due to the fact of the almost odd, smooth look it previously had and furthermore, perhaps that was some type of surface altering that accelerated toning when on your desk. Who knows? Very interesting!
Nice reveal I wonder what diagnostics the graders use to declare "artifical toning" personally I like it
Nice looking coins. You probably need to take a day off and clean your office before you end up all blue and orange.
That toner might have been cleaned for the first go around, and was not picked up by the grader. But that much toning in a year or so does raise questions. Thouhgt you got robbed on the 28 Peace and the 87s Morgan.
Not too bag CGGS (Coin Geek Grading Service) !!😎
If you have any kind of jewelry testing acid near the coins, it will "artificially" tone them.
I think the one that's toned was because it was cleaned and the first grade on it was a net grade. IMHO.
Pretty odd to get two 61's in the same submission
Maybe you should rent out space in your office for people to tone their coins. I guess artificial toning comes naturally sometimes. Or, is it that natural toning comes artificially?
That generally doesn't happen in 18 months -- something is going on in that office. Maybe take the coins out after 9 months instead if it does that kind of stuff to morgans.
Question I have about coin grading is why do MS grade coins get graded from 60-70 in one grade increments but when you move into lower the MS grade coins you don’t see that? I go to coin shows when I can and have never seen a coin graded AU57 or AU54. It’s always AU58 or AU55. Do grading companies just kinda ballpark the grades after MS?
The last coun any chance it was mixed up with another?
I have a question. I have seen PCGS VF-25 Morgan dollars that were deemed Cleaned. With little or no luster, how is a VF-25 coin determined to be cleaned? Thanks, Wayne.
Do you have any gunpowder on your desk? I know a guy who had some silver eagles in a desk with some fireworks and they turned that color.
So, do you still think that 1909S IHC is really an AU55, but that NGC was too strict? Or do now think you were too lenient? We want the grading services to be strict, right? Or is grading so subjective or difficult that two experienced graders will often differ by five points?
That 81S was a beauty.
The 80S -- what the Hello happened there? OTOH, maybe you can start offering "Coin Desk Conservation Services."
How can they call it artificial toning? Did you put a boiled eggs next to it?
Do you think Pcgs would score better or same?
Do you think the Morgan was dipped? Once taken out of the holder it toned?
you got robbed on that 09-S cent
I fail to understand a clearly cleaned/dipped arrows and rays getting a grade, compared to others with far less indication getting the ungradable label.
You can grade coins?
You don't want those. Send them to me!
DRAMA😂 lol
Odd for it to tone on both sides. Presumably if one side was sitting on the desk, it would have less air flow than the other side and very different level of toning.
Hi, Ben. I think someone on your staff is messing with you on that 80-S Morgan. Check your security video. *TYU*