“We all know deep down size DOES matter.” Well actually I asked my wife if size matters she reassured me by telling me “No honey, yours is the perfect size, the big ones hurt.”
lol 😝 nice joke. Both are fictional characters but fuck it. From my perspective as a familiar in this trade. A big man is a big man and if he is skilled the he is big and skilled but a equally skilled lighter but high protein muscular athletic faster who has speed and quickness which are two different things like power and strength or agility vs flexibility or education and intelligence. I love both but Wick is the winner in this goofy make believe contest. Which o love and wait for my own coming soon done proper
@@joshuacimaroonSpeed comes from power. Power comes from muscles. Having less muscles and being shorter does not make you faster. Ask any fighter ever.
@@zaiah9252 arena? Nah you have to watch reacher, he is a genius with a 150 iq and has tons of battle experience and skills. I will admit John would win in a gun fight but not a hand fight and it is not even close
You nerds have gone crazy The writers decided who wins this isn’t rocket science these are literally fictional characters lol I love them both but come on bruh
@ryanjohnson108 honestly they could both win it just depends on who writes the story They’re both overpowered characters lol it can go either way depending on who writes it They’re both amazing
I don't think Wick would let Reacher get close enough to land any punches, head-butts or groin kicks. He'd just shoot him. Having said that, I do like Reacher as a character, and his full-on steamrolling anyone that pisses him off.
I think this fight actually IS close. John *has* beaten larger, stronger opponents, but none of those fights was easy - especially his fight with the sumo. John was struggling in that fight and hurting badly after it.. And none of those guys were close to John's equal in skill, toughness and sheer willpower. Reacher is much closer to John's level in each of those categories and far above him (or the other opponents) jn strength. So it will be very difficult for John to put Reacher down. His bullet-proof suit and ability to soak an insane amount of damage will help,but he's gonna be laid up and hurting for a couple of weeks from the beating he gets in the process.
If we look at this fight from an unbiased POV, you'll realise that this fight is NOT close in any conceivable manner. Anyone who says otherwise likely doesn't know or is coping. Reacher would not last a single second in John's situation, nor would he survive the stuff John has, or be able to do the stuff that John has done like shattering bulletproof glass and breaking necks with a single strike. Whether it be H2H, CQC or an all-out war, Wick simply eviscerates Reacher. Faster, more durable, more skilled, more experienced, better feats and virtually every other advantage except Lifting Strength. But people can believe what they want, even if it is wrong from a factual standpoint.
I can get over him being immune to car hits. Its never more than like 30mph and his suit helps take impacts. What I can't get over is him falling off f'n buildings and his body rag dolling over metal bars and smacking into the ground... Only to just dust himself off and walk away 3 seconds later. No f'n way did his head not bounce off that ground at full speed lol. Dude isn't human.
That's more of a skills thing. because like stunt doubles getting hit by vehicles and things you learn how to take a hit. If you slow down the film he basically does a roll up onto the hood of each of those cars before falling off them as they come to a quick stop.
The thing is, like you said at 1:00, John is no stranger to fighting against bigger, stronger guys. Most of, if not every single time, John as beaten those guys. He could do the same to Reacher.
@@abeclark524 Reacher fights untrained thugs and the occassional military merc. John Wick killed professional assassins and teams of elite soldiers in bulletproof armor with high tech weapons.
@@matttheamerican3766 No shit Sherlock. That's normally how it works for EVERY hero/protagonist in these kinds of stories. A hero has to have that kind of plot armor in order to make it through their hero's journey. You cannot name a single action movie where the hero/protagonist doesn't have some kind of plot armor. It's ALL unbelievable, just some more than others.
jack skills are more believable where as john wick is kinda fantasy assassin stuff... john wins but i think jack is really more real world believable as a character.
Ironically there isn't anything that John Wick does that a human being can't do in the movies. It simply takes years of training to get to the level of John Wick. All of those movements he does are taught in various martial arts and in military hand to hand combat at more advanced levels. John Wick in the universe is a former US Marine who has additional training as an assassin. Also getting hit by a car and not being crippled is a skills issue. Stunt doubles do it all the time for work. So its skills rather than being some kind of fantasy assassin. The ironic part is that both of them have hand to hand combat training that is based in military combatives training. So they would be able to counter each other in hand to hand combat dragging a fist fight out. John Wick is just a much better shot.
@@John2r1 what training helps with a free fall from a building? or being car rammed proof? also i like john wick so this is just devils advocate the but there are tons of parts in the first and second movie he would have been killed irl
@@John2r1 yeah for sure and i get that once again like i said dont think im saying you cant be skilled but by all means his feats are impossible, id say the feats that jack reacher accomplish are some what possible to a limit i did forget the part of him in the jail cell and as the fight is kinda realistic those dude dont fight fair and no matter how bada** you are you aint taking on 5 prisoners at once.
@@John2r1 Exactly right. There are safer ways to get hit by cars, for sure lol. It helps that his suit is also made of materials that absorb impacts like from blunt objects and bullets.
Older and slower, maybe. But he literally has demonstrated combat precognition in his movies, which gives him a massive reflexes advantage. It would be a great fight.
Preston is definitely beating Wick. It won't be an easy fight, but Preston is just on another level for skill. Why be good at taking hits when you can just avoid them altogether?
Although I think Wick would win, saying he is more skilled is wrong... Reacher is more skilled and possibly smarter than Wick. He knew what style and training an opponent had from a type of headbutt or elbow attack he used.
Sure Wick probably wins but it's definitely not a "not even close" scenario To write Reacher off as being a meathead is pretty offensive to the character. Wick can take down bigger, stronger opponents for sure. But none of them showed they had ANY knowledge in hand-to-hand. Reacher is, at least, largely experienced in it Wick's only really winning because he can tank a ridiculous amount of punishment and because he can avoid most of Reacher's attacks, but Jack can casually snap bone with a punch so Wick's winning only like 55% of the time
Interesting forum but I don't think John Wick would want to confront Jack Reacher simply due to his honor code. If anything, they would be more of an unstoppable duo and would work together.
Based on how many people died in the movies, Wick pretty much killed an entire town full of assassins and mercs at this point. Not even close, john wick would win.
"You shouldn't be able to get hit by a car and just walk it off that easily" - I've done it multiple times. When the car is moving at safe inner-city speeds, and you have enough time to see it coming but not to get out of its way, you *can* take measures to absorb the impact and mitigate the damage - and John's movements when being hit by cars are *exactly* the right ones to do so. Get yourself off the ground before the car hits, moves so that the part the car is hitting first is already moving in the direction of the car, and if possible, try and control the impact so you first impact on as steeply angled an impact point as possible (bonnet is ideal, windshield is ok). These actions allow you to roll with the collision and just get thrown about for some nasty bruises and less severe cuts and scraps, instead of breaking or shattering bones and tearing flesh in horrific ways. The falling off buildings part though? Yeah, that requires reality hacks. John Wick is channeling Keanu's past as Neo to pull some of those survival stunts. Bulletproof gear doesn't adequately explain his durability, nor the recovery speed he appears to have after taking wounds around/through the armoured clothing he wears. As for your breakdown here, I think you're making a couple of mistakes, but they aren't serious enough to alter the conclusion. I agree that Reacher falls short of John's level of skill, but I don't think the gap is as big as you're suggesting. And in a related point, Jack Reacher's fighting isn't him running on pure rage. He's a *very* intelligent and calculating fighter, and that shows through in a lot of his fights. Even though he's big, he only "bulldozes" opponents when it's the most efficient solution, *NOT* because he's letting his anger dictate his decision-making. He does use anger for fuel, but so does John Wick, and in basically the same ways. He uses rage to help him to channel more strength, but he doesn't lose himself to it. That said, there is still a skill advantage to John Wick, *and* an advantage in durability (both in his raw physical capabilities being effectively superhuman, and his equipment being superior to the tech available to Reacher). If they're fighting without guns, durability is the main thing which keeps John in this fight. Give them both guns though, and this becomes a true no contest fight. John Wick with a gun is basically an untouchable god of death in any 1v1 encounter, and Reacher's only advantage is entirely irrelevant, while most of his other strengths are weaknesses in comparison to his opponent in this particular fight.
Wick gets bodied all the time and relies on pot armor, I smoke pot and I couldnt ignore that shit. Reacher is fucking huge, and knows how to fight, control himself and his enemy and tactics, is also trained to be unstoppable in direct combat among other types of combat. He knows waaaaay more than john and would definitely crush him in a 1v1 no weapons, with melee weapons? Could be close, but Id still go reacher, if were talking about guns? Stupid arguement.
@@matttheamerican3766 Yeah, lets walk through this: 1v1, unarmed, no access to any improvised weapons, no environmental hazards. Reacher wearing his usual clothes, and Wick wearing his bulletproof suit. Reacher isn't just an elite soldier. He's someone elite soldiers look up to and view as being on a level beyond them. He's at the peak of human fitness for his size, and he's *HUGE* so he's insanely strong and tough. The problem for Reacher is that WIck isn't just on that "elite among elites" level. He knows people on that level, and they look up to him like the regular elites look up to Reacher. The problem for Wick is that he's also at peak physical strength for his size, but he's *NOT* huge like Reacher. That said, he's *BEYOND* peak human durability for his size, which I was treating as superhuman durability, but you're calling plot armour. Lets run with your term, the result is the same either way. When fighting against an opponent who's significantly bigger and stronger than him, John Wick has to be careful how he fights. A gun is a great solution, but without it, he needs a melee weapon of some kind *AND* a bigger skill gap than the one between him and Reacher. He does have an edge in skill, but it's not *enough* of one to outweigh Reacher's advantage in strength. In terms of sheer damage tanking, he's probably more durable than Reacher, but Reacher hits harder than he can shrug off, and the reverse isn't true for his attacks. Fighting completely unarmed, this might as well be Wick vs. Goku or Superman for all the damage he can do to Reacher. His plot armour is only going to give him a few extra seconds of pain before he dies.
The difference is that John has access to cutting edge technology like the kevlar suit and near limitless access to weapons. Jack is just a well trained, resourceful soldier with lots of combat experience. In a no weapons, no tools, plain hand to hand fight, Jack definitely wins, but in a street fight with no rules in what you can do or bring to the fight, John will win.
You've obviously not read the Reacher books. Jack is a highly accurate sniper and crack shot as well. Also, he does not use rage when he fights. In fact, he knows that if a man gets angry, he loses. He is exceptional at analyzing his opponents and has a preternatural ability to know what their next move is. So, this fight might be a lot closer than you imagine. Unarmed, John gets his hand broke, and then his neck broke within a minute. There's no playing with Reacher. With guns, it will depend on the range. At long range, they're probably equal. At Gun-Fu range, John will put a shot into Jack's brain pan, IF (and this is a big if) Jack doesn't make him eat that gun immediately. So John needs to stay out of Jack's reach, something he does only some of the time when using his particular fighting style. Basically, all gun, no fu and John is a healthy living boy. Skill will not allow him to take Jack hand to hand, because Jack has the skill, and the willingness to fight dirty to win. Those bigger guys John beat, all had a code. Jack does no have that same code. Read the books (or at least a few of them). You'll understand.
@gloredon Having read every Reacher book, as you have, your analysis is spot on. The only area I might like to have a discussion might be Close Quarter Combat. As an MP, outside of the 110th, Reacher would both have been trained in and trained teams in Close Quarter encounters. Also, please remember that he was trained as an assassin. If you remember the short story SMALL WARS, he mentions to Joe about the assignment he was on in Central America. PERSUEDER and WITHOUT FAIL might fall in this area as well. Overall, I, like you, don't see John Wick walking away from this encounter IRL.
@@BillWrightabc Precisely. Read the books. Reacher is a reckoning. When you're an MP for posts of special ops guys, you have to learn to be a better fighter than they are. Looking forward to Persuader this upcoming season.
I agree the fan boyism and recency biased for Wick is more disgusting than Batman 😒🙄...overrated and he is much older than Reeves portrayal of him in the movie verse. He's in his 70s. He's not stopping a John J. Rambo honestly. Who's far more skilled, elite, and taken on more than him alone. His suit is as about as durable as agent 47s. If not weaker. Has nothing to do with hand to hand combat. CQC and stabbing weapons. I think Jack gets him too. Good luck with that bjj at close qtrs with a mass monster.
I agree with the end result, but to say that Wick is practically immune to cars? Or falls? Nah, rapid healing sure, but he feels them hits... that fall from the continental set him back, he was MIA for 6 months...
@MrBeard17 you do understand he faced an entire crime syndicate (twice) with guns, etc, and walked out without a scratch.. While John, on the other hand, actually was captured and could have been killed on multiple occasions, however plot Armor
Joel (last of us) vs Rick(the walking dead) The thing vs Colossus Wolverine vs Black Panther Deadshot vs Bulleye Omni man vs Blue marvel Hawk man vs Captain America
Joel The Thing Bullseye Blue Marvel Probably Cap. Hawk man canonically should have better physical stats and he’s more experienced but he’s a jobber, whereas Cap has a habit of punching above his level and coming out on top or at least with minimal injuries. I don’t think I’ve ever seen hawk man actually catch any meaningful Ws.
I am going to have to disagree with a lot of comments on here. Jack, if I remember correctly is not just a rifleman but a sniper and a very good one at that. Jack is more than good with a firearm. He is also not an aggression driven fighter. He is a very well thought out fighter. Skill I would give the slight advantage to John on fighting it only slightly. John’s skill is not going to counter jack’s strength at all. If jack gets his hands on John he is breaking arms and legs. Pistol marksmanship I give the slight advantage to John but again not enough to make a difference. Rifles I give to jack all day long. But again not enough to make a difference. Jack fighting John would be like a 14 year old 8th degree black belt fighting a 24 year old 4th degree black belt. They are both highly trained but the gap is not large enough to overcome Jack’s strengths. I would also argue that Jack has the sharper mind by far. Jack is very intelligent. Now I really like both characters but have to give this to Jack. I would put Mitch Rapp against any of them and he would destroy them both. One of the things that bothers me is when people start saying these guys are super human. They are not. If they got full on hit by a car they would both die the movies add some flair but these characters are still only human. If they get shot they bleed. If Jack broke John’s legs they would be broken and vice versa. As far as intelligence, fighting, skill and etc. it is no contest when you bring Mitch Rapp in.
Superman wins mid diff. Monkey D. Luffy wins low diff (unless King Shark has consistent greater feats in the comics) Spider-Man mcu wins mid to low diff. Sailer Moon wins mid to high diff (I could be wrong on this one).
Superman wins mid diff. Monkey D. Luffy wins low diff (unless King Shark has consistent greater feats in the comics) Spider-Man mcu wins mid to low diff. Sailer Moon wins mid to high diff (I could be wrong on this one).
Art is going to anger Jason and whenever Jason touches Art blood will spill. Then Art stabs Jason a lot!! That’s a good fight, whoever revives from death first would be how you decide I guess
In the 80’s only Sly & Jean would make action movies look realistic by actually taking a beating irregardles of the class of fighter they go up against. I appreciated these two because they showed they could take as much as they can give. Jon is the bridge to those times of old and the now. No one is as fierce today as Scott Adkins. No one shows more flair in the knowledge in martial arts and instills fear more than Donnie Yen in the movie world. Jon is the Goku of action movies in America today
John wick fight scenes aren’t authentic at all🤣 they are fun to watch Forsure but he legit just flips over every other opponent he fights with the exact same takedown then proceeds to roll around a few times then limp away.
If it was a fight to the death with no firearms,Jack Reacher is unbeatable,he's very big and strong with a very high tolerance towards pain,John Wick would be DOA very quickly
Equalizer wins all day.. he took down multiple organizations without needing to revert to using guns.. IQ goes to Equalizer as well as combat. While John, just in the first movie, needed to be saved by a sniper shooting his pillow and plot armor (he could have easily been killed when he was captured and tied to a chair).
Only thing id dispute is the Description of Reacher running on pure rage, thats incorrect.... If you read the books instead of watching the videos Reacher is Precise, Purposeful, Resourceful, and Calculated in his fighting, Hes also a top tier shooter Extremely Accurate... So If He Had to Take out John Wick itd be LongRifle Range or Grapple Range any range between 100' to 5' is John Wicks best area All that said I Do still agree 70-80% of fights between them John beats Jack
I did ninjutsu for a few years and the idea is to avoid and evade combat, but when you do have to engage you strike as hard and as fast as you can and try to disable your opponent as efficiently as possible and then evade. When i fight nothing is off limits. Thats what reacher reminds me of (im no reacher 😅)
It feels like Wick is operating at 100,000 frames per second; he can observe a punch/bullet thrown at him, sit down, have a cup of tea, read a book, then get up and decide how to react before pressing the resume button.
Wicks durability is actually even higher than mentioned because the first three movies, with all that damage he took, took place over like a single week.
I watched this twice. I've read every Reacher book. Reacher was a trained Army assassin and a West Point grad. He won the Wimbledon Cup. He was on the team that evaluated the replacement for the M1911. He commanded the 110th Special MP unit, a Major Case Investigation unit. He has taken out assassins, mob bosses, corrupt corporate executives, Special Forces and Green Berets, and more--these are the books, not the movies. He has been trained on almost every weapon known, just does not like knife fights, and yet is deadly with them. I am of the opinion that John Wick would not stand a chance in hell of taking Jack Reacher from the Lee Child's novels down. But then, I read, not just watch movies. Wick is toast.
Only thing John Wick has that's better than Reacher is plot armor. At least Reacher is set in a realistic universe and not some fantasy land where the protagonist casually gets up from being hit by cars or falling off buildings, taking hits on the way down that would certainly break bones in a normal person, then landing in a heap that would likely result in the death of any person in the Reacher universe. I don't like the comparison of these two characters, since it's such an apples to oranges thing.
Lord Voldemort vs Dr Strange Batman vs Gordon Freeman (Half-Life) Alfred Pennyworth (DC Comics) vs James Bond Dominic Toretto (The Fast and the Furious) vs Loid Forger (Spy x Family
Verdict This battle could go either way, depending on the circumstances: In a neutral arena: Wick's finesse and gunplay might tip the scales. Reacher's tactical mind and physical dominance could give him the upper hand in a planned confrontation.
Reacher is a highly skilled fighter and an expert marksman. He was the first non-Marine to win the Wimbledon Cup. He bareknuckle fights, and beats, multiple attackers at a time, and does so in brutal fashion (he actually prefers fighting against multiple opponents). He's trained in the same martial arts as Wick and is a master at seeing his opponents' moves beforehand. He's also trained with knives. He's an expert tactician and his intelligence has been likened to Sherlock Holmes. So, Reacher could take Wick out from a half a mile away or have a stalemate at handguns and knives ending with Reacher destroying Wick with his fists, or John running away because he's faster than Reacher. ;-)
John's a retired Marine. Reacher's a retired Army MP/Investigator. Both have military training (but I'd say John's is superior), and John has arguably more combat/action experience. I don't doubt John is super intelligent, but knowing everything is Reacher's specialty. John is a legendary figure among the criminal underworld, with countless connections and resources, including stuff most can't even imagine. Reacher is just a super smart soldier that happens to built like a brick shithouse. In any situation but a fistfight, John wins unless Reacher somehow knows *everything* about him and has plenty of prep time and catches John in a prepped area.
Taskmaster once described Moon Knight as the embodiment of a .45 bullet, being so lethal that Nothing, Noone can stop him... John Wick is the Armor Percing version, even while Just using a Pencil... A F*ing, Pencil!
I'll go with the winner of The Wimbledon Cup. Wick is good, but Reacher is a freak who can really reach out and touch you. They both have great plot armor, but that should cancel out. Read Reacher's long ranges demonstration in book two.
I think it would be neat to do a secret agent battle royale. John Wick, Jason Bourne, Agent 47, Brian Mills (Taken), James Bond, Solid Snake Anyone else you can think of added in.
Take away Wick's Hollywood abilities. And bring him down to a more realistic version of himself (someone that actually dies from falls and doesn't have fake bulletproof suit), Reacher wins every time. Reacher is a more realistic version of a highly trained individual. So leveling the playing field of realism. Reacher wins.
People often forget one extremely important factor when comparing these two. Luck. John survives despite adversity. Jack often survives due to things simply going his way. Jack is stronger, smarter, and luckier. John is more proficient, ultimately determined, but not very lucky when it comes to circumstances. Everything always seems to go south on him.
John Wick wins. Do videos on Silver Age Superman Vs Classic Adam Warlock, Superman/Superboy Prime Vs The Magus, & Cosmic Armor Superman Vs LT Adam Warlock. Also, do videos on The Silver Surfer Vs Captain Atom & The Punisher Vs David Cain.
John is actually neo on being reinserted into the matrix after the third movie. The machines created a separate reality for him alone because he was too dangerous. Edit: it would be cool for them to do a spin off series based on the Russian head of security from the first movie. Dude handed John his ass. Maybe his rise in the mob, or them actually working together back in the day.
Jack is top level elite soldier machine. But John is basically the living embodiment of the very concept of death.
So who. No answer??
@@user-qb2id5bn1g soldier vs. embodiment of death should say it all.
“We all know deep down size DOES matter.” Well actually I asked my wife if size matters she reassured me by telling me “No honey, yours is the perfect size, the big ones hurt.”
That’s actually true😂
lol 😝 nice joke. Both are fictional characters but fuck it. From my perspective as a familiar in this trade. A big man is a big man and if he is skilled the he is big and skilled but a equally skilled lighter but high protein muscular athletic faster who has speed and quickness which are two different things like power and strength or agility vs flexibility or education and intelligence. I love both but Wick is the winner in this goofy make believe contest. Which o love and wait for my own coming soon done proper
you won the funny guy award.. but at what cost..
How to be happy and sad at the same time.
@@joshuacimaroonSpeed comes from power. Power comes from muscles. Having less muscles and being shorter does not make you faster. Ask any fighter ever.
I agree. Jack is objectively stronger but John wins in every other arena.
john wick took down men with jack size and strength so yeah he solo's?
@@zaiah9252 arena? Nah you have to watch reacher, he is a genius with a 150 iq and has tons of battle experience and skills. I will admit John would win in a gun fight but not a hand fight and it is not even close
You nerds have gone crazy
The writers decided who wins this isn’t rocket science these are literally fictional characters lol I love them both but come on bruh
@ who do you think wins then
@ryanjohnson108 honestly they could both win it just depends on who writes the story
They’re both overpowered characters lol it can go either way depending on who writes it
They’re both amazing
I don't think Wick would let Reacher get close enough to land any punches, head-butts or groin kicks. He'd just shoot him. Having said that, I do like Reacher as a character, and his full-on steamrolling anyone that pisses him off.
I think this fight actually IS close.
John *has* beaten larger, stronger opponents, but none of those fights was easy - especially his fight with the sumo. John was struggling in that fight and hurting badly after it.. And none of those guys were close to John's equal in skill, toughness and sheer willpower.
Reacher is much closer to John's level in each of those categories and far above him (or the other opponents) jn strength. So it will be very difficult for John to put Reacher down. His bullet-proof suit and ability to soak an insane amount of damage will help,but he's gonna be laid up and hurting for a couple of weeks from the beating he gets in the process.
@@rabbitpygg
He finished of that fight with an headshot.
Reacher would break him like a twig.
If we look at this fight from an unbiased POV, you'll realise that this fight is NOT close in any conceivable manner. Anyone who says otherwise likely doesn't know or is coping.
Reacher would not last a single second in John's situation, nor would he survive the stuff John has, or be able to do the stuff that John has done like shattering bulletproof glass and breaking necks with a single strike.
Whether it be H2H, CQC or an all-out war, Wick simply eviscerates Reacher. Faster, more durable, more skilled, more experienced, better feats and virtually every other advantage except Lifting Strength. But people can believe what they want, even if it is wrong from a factual standpoint.
Being immune to cars is crazy work lol😂😂😂
Resistant he still gets hurt
I can get over him being immune to car hits. Its never more than like 30mph and his suit helps take impacts. What I can't get over is him falling off f'n buildings and his body rag dolling over metal bars and smacking into the ground... Only to just dust himself off and walk away 3 seconds later. No f'n way did his head not bounce off that ground at full speed lol. Dude isn't human.
The suite was lined with plot armor.
That's more of a skills thing. because like stunt doubles getting hit by vehicles and things you learn how to take a hit. If you slow down the film he basically does a roll up onto the hood of each of those cars before falling off them as they come to a quick stop.
@@TheMadTurtle that suit had so much plot armor that Batman would be jealous.
The thing is, like you said at 1:00, John is no stranger to fighting against bigger, stronger guys. Most of, if not every single time, John as beaten those guys. He could do the same to Reacher.
Except most of those guys didn't have Reacher's skill. All those Judo throws that Wick uses wouldn't be near as effective against Reacher.
@@abeclark524 he beat a Sumo wrestler and a giant in the library
@@Reflectionmaterial Neither of which had Reacher's skill.
@@abeclark524 Reacher fights untrained thugs and the occassional military merc.
John Wick killed professional assassins and teams of elite soldiers in bulletproof armor with high tech weapons.
@@abeclark524They were all highly skilled assassins, so you can't claim they aren't skilled.
John Wick is the one of the greatest assassins I have ever seen. But the only one I think could beat him would be Agent 47.
That would be a great fight, but I am leaning towards Wick. I think he is faster than 47.
47 would beat wick
@@Everythinghighend_ I do wish DanCo would do a vid on that
James bond
@@michael029138 sorry, but 47 is a super assassin... have u even seen the movies or played the games?
It's debated John has a low level healing factor so hense why he is still walking when a regular man would struggle to breathe.
Those movies are just dumb and poorly made. Hes got action hero plot armor and they need him to win. Its stupid.
@@matttheamerican3766 No shit Sherlock. That's normally how it works for EVERY hero/protagonist in these kinds of stories. A hero has to have that kind of plot armor in order to make it through their hero's journey. You cannot name a single action movie where the hero/protagonist doesn't have some kind of plot armor. It's ALL unbelievable, just some more than others.
jack skills are more believable where as john wick is kinda fantasy assassin stuff... john wins but i think jack is really more real world believable as a character.
Ironically there isn't anything that John Wick does that a human being can't do in the movies. It simply takes years of training to get to the level of John Wick. All of those movements he does are taught in various martial arts and in military hand to hand combat at more advanced levels. John Wick in the universe is a former US Marine who has additional training as an assassin. Also getting hit by a car and not being crippled is a skills issue. Stunt doubles do it all the time for work. So its skills rather than being some kind of fantasy assassin. The ironic part is that both of them have hand to hand combat training that is based in military combatives training. So they would be able to counter each other in hand to hand combat dragging a fist fight out. John Wick is just a much better shot.
@@John2r1 what training helps with a free fall from a building? or being car rammed proof?
also i like john wick so this is just devils advocate the but there are tons of parts in the first and second movie he would have been killed irl
@WilliamDiaz-p2h Stun man training and movie magic.
@@John2r1 yeah for sure and i get that once again like i said dont think im saying you cant be skilled but by all means his feats are impossible, id say the feats that jack reacher accomplish are some what possible to a limit i did forget the part of him in the jail cell and as the fight is kinda realistic those dude dont fight fair and no matter how bada** you are you aint taking on 5 prisoners at once.
@@John2r1 Exactly right. There are safer ways to get hit by cars, for sure lol. It helps that his suit is also made of materials that absorb impacts like from blunt objects and bullets.
Jack Reacher VS Robert Mccall feels like a more fair fight.
It would be close, Mc Call is older and slower than Reacher.
Older and slower, maybe. But he literally has demonstrated combat precognition in his movies, which gives him a massive reflexes advantage. It would be a great fight.
John Preston (Equilibrium) the OG Gun Kata vs John Wick. Come on Danco ,make it happen 💥
Be careful cleric. You tread on my dreams.
@@KnightGravy R.I.P 😅(spoiler lol)
an actual good matchup
Preston is definitely beating Wick. It won't be an easy fight, but Preston is just on another level for skill. Why be good at taking hits when you can just avoid them altogether?
@@abeclark524 dude studied the art of bullet dodging
Do one on John Wick vs Equalizer.
Although I think Wick would win, saying he is more skilled is wrong... Reacher is more skilled and possibly smarter than Wick. He knew what style and training an opponent had from a type of headbutt or elbow attack he used.
I see it as a draw if it goes to bare hands if it goes to guns John wick will win
Sure Wick probably wins but it's definitely not a "not even close" scenario
To write Reacher off as being a meathead is pretty offensive to the character. Wick can take down bigger, stronger opponents for sure. But none of them showed they had ANY knowledge in hand-to-hand. Reacher is, at least, largely experienced in it
Wick's only really winning because he can tank a ridiculous amount of punishment and because he can avoid most of Reacher's attacks, but Jack can casually snap bone with a punch so Wick's winning only like 55% of the time
John Wick's Box Office is bigger than Jack Reacher's Box Office. 'Nuff Said!
Not the tom cruise jack
@@mikryan6567tom cruise jack reacher made 218 million while John wick broke 1 billion
John Wicks box officer is bigger than Incredible Hulk box office as well... But Hulk will tear John's ass.. what's your point?
The Reacher movies don't count... that was not Reacher🤦♂️
Novel Reacher is a whole different story
How about John Wick vs John Preston (from Equilibrium)? That would be interesting! Gun fu vs Gun kata
John Wick vs Farmer With A Shotgun
Interesting forum but I don't think John Wick would want to confront Jack Reacher simply due to his honor code. If anything, they would be more of an unstoppable duo and would work together.
John wick is more of a comic book character within his own universe
Based on how many people died in the movies, Wick pretty much killed an entire town full of assassins and mercs at this point. Not even close, john wick would win.
"You shouldn't be able to get hit by a car and just walk it off that easily" - I've done it multiple times. When the car is moving at safe inner-city speeds, and you have enough time to see it coming but not to get out of its way, you *can* take measures to absorb the impact and mitigate the damage - and John's movements when being hit by cars are *exactly* the right ones to do so. Get yourself off the ground before the car hits, moves so that the part the car is hitting first is already moving in the direction of the car, and if possible, try and control the impact so you first impact on as steeply angled an impact point as possible (bonnet is ideal, windshield is ok). These actions allow you to roll with the collision and just get thrown about for some nasty bruises and less severe cuts and scraps, instead of breaking or shattering bones and tearing flesh in horrific ways.
The falling off buildings part though? Yeah, that requires reality hacks. John Wick is channeling Keanu's past as Neo to pull some of those survival stunts. Bulletproof gear doesn't adequately explain his durability, nor the recovery speed he appears to have after taking wounds around/through the armoured clothing he wears.
As for your breakdown here, I think you're making a couple of mistakes, but they aren't serious enough to alter the conclusion. I agree that Reacher falls short of John's level of skill, but I don't think the gap is as big as you're suggesting. And in a related point, Jack Reacher's fighting isn't him running on pure rage. He's a *very* intelligent and calculating fighter, and that shows through in a lot of his fights. Even though he's big, he only "bulldozes" opponents when it's the most efficient solution, *NOT* because he's letting his anger dictate his decision-making. He does use anger for fuel, but so does John Wick, and in basically the same ways. He uses rage to help him to channel more strength, but he doesn't lose himself to it. That said, there is still a skill advantage to John Wick, *and* an advantage in durability (both in his raw physical capabilities being effectively superhuman, and his equipment being superior to the tech available to Reacher). If they're fighting without guns, durability is the main thing which keeps John in this fight. Give them both guns though, and this becomes a true no contest fight. John Wick with a gun is basically an untouchable god of death in any 1v1 encounter, and Reacher's only advantage is entirely irrelevant, while most of his other strengths are weaknesses in comparison to his opponent in this particular fight.
Wick gets bodied all the time and relies on pot armor, I smoke pot and I couldnt ignore that shit. Reacher is fucking huge, and knows how to fight, control himself and his enemy and tactics, is also trained to be unstoppable in direct combat among other types of combat. He knows waaaaay more than john and would definitely crush him in a 1v1 no weapons, with melee weapons? Could be close, but Id still go reacher, if were talking about guns? Stupid arguement.
@@matttheamerican3766 Yeah, lets walk through this: 1v1, unarmed, no access to any improvised weapons, no environmental hazards. Reacher wearing his usual clothes, and Wick wearing his bulletproof suit.
Reacher isn't just an elite soldier. He's someone elite soldiers look up to and view as being on a level beyond them. He's at the peak of human fitness for his size, and he's *HUGE* so he's insanely strong and tough.
The problem for Reacher is that WIck isn't just on that "elite among elites" level. He knows people on that level, and they look up to him like the regular elites look up to Reacher.
The problem for Wick is that he's also at peak physical strength for his size, but he's *NOT* huge like Reacher. That said, he's *BEYOND* peak human durability for his size, which I was treating as superhuman durability, but you're calling plot armour. Lets run with your term, the result is the same either way.
When fighting against an opponent who's significantly bigger and stronger than him, John Wick has to be careful how he fights. A gun is a great solution, but without it, he needs a melee weapon of some kind *AND* a bigger skill gap than the one between him and Reacher. He does have an edge in skill, but it's not *enough* of one to outweigh Reacher's advantage in strength. In terms of sheer damage tanking, he's probably more durable than Reacher, but Reacher hits harder than he can shrug off, and the reverse isn't true for his attacks.
Fighting completely unarmed, this might as well be Wick vs. Goku or Superman for all the damage he can do to Reacher. His plot armour is only going to give him a few extra seconds of pain before he dies.
Guess I'm not alone in this dark void.
Way past my first time in dark voids ;P
Do agent 47 vs john wick
Dracula Untold vs Morbius 😎
Maximus vs Achilles
Please do it DanCo 🙏🙏🙏
easy win for Achilles, long as maximus doesn't know of his one weakness.
@@StrongOakerfor real achilles is blessed by gods, they made his achilles tendon his weakness cos he's mortal
I thought you already did this. Well, you also included Deckard Shaw. John Wick vs Jack Reacher vs Tyler Rick vs Deckard Shaw
The difference is that John has access to cutting edge technology like the kevlar suit and near limitless access to weapons. Jack is just a well trained, resourceful soldier with lots of combat experience. In a no weapons, no tools, plain hand to hand fight, Jack definitely wins, but in a street fight with no rules in what you can do or bring to the fight, John will win.
1:33 You gotta remember that reading is fundamental. Also how is there NOT a John Wick FPS yet?
I think Reves would make a great spike for cowboy bebop
Spike is 27 Keanu is 72 gtfoh
You've obviously not read the Reacher books. Jack is a highly accurate sniper and crack shot as well. Also, he does not use rage when he fights. In fact, he knows that if a man gets angry, he loses. He is exceptional at analyzing his opponents and has a preternatural ability to know what their next move is. So, this fight might be a lot closer than you imagine. Unarmed, John gets his hand broke, and then his neck broke within a minute. There's no playing with Reacher. With guns, it will depend on the range. At long range, they're probably equal. At Gun-Fu range, John will put a shot into Jack's brain pan, IF (and this is a big if) Jack doesn't make him eat that gun immediately. So John needs to stay out of Jack's reach, something he does only some of the time when using his particular fighting style. Basically, all gun, no fu and John is a healthy living boy. Skill will not allow him to take Jack hand to hand, because Jack has the skill, and the willingness to fight dirty to win. Those bigger guys John beat, all had a code. Jack does no have that same code. Read the books (or at least a few of them). You'll understand.
John still kills him and walks away cinematically
Wrong!
@gloredon Having read every Reacher book, as you have, your analysis is spot on. The only area I might like to have a discussion might be Close Quarter Combat. As an MP, outside of the 110th, Reacher would both have been trained in and trained teams in Close Quarter encounters. Also, please remember that he was trained as an assassin. If you remember the short story SMALL WARS, he mentions to Joe about the assignment he was on in Central America. PERSUEDER and WITHOUT FAIL might fall in this area as well. Overall, I, like you, don't see John Wick walking away from this encounter IRL.
@@BillWrightabc Precisely. Read the books. Reacher is a reckoning. When you're an MP for posts of special ops guys, you have to learn to be a better fighter than they are. Looking forward to Persuader this upcoming season.
I agree the fan boyism and recency biased for Wick is more disgusting than Batman 😒🙄...overrated and he is much older than Reeves portrayal of him in the movie verse. He's in his 70s. He's not stopping a John J. Rambo honestly. Who's far more skilled, elite, and taken on more than him alone. His suit is as about as durable as agent 47s. If not weaker. Has nothing to do with hand to hand combat. CQC and stabbing weapons. I think Jack gets him too. Good luck with that bjj at close qtrs with a mass monster.
I agree with the end result, but to say that Wick is practically immune to cars? Or falls? Nah, rapid healing sure, but he feels them hits... that fall from the continental set him back, he was MIA for 6 months...
Now do John Wick vs Yuda (from The Raid) 😂😂😂😂. They kinda paid there respects in the John Wick movie
The Equalizer has entered the chat
and then gets shot in the face. 🤕
Old man with skills. He would have to be a good friend of John Wick. Otherwise, John would end him.
@MrBeard17 you do understand he faced an entire crime syndicate (twice) with guns, etc, and walked out without a scratch.. While John, on the other hand, actually was captured and could have been killed on multiple occasions, however plot Armor
@ahwayzcool4630 john got ended by a blind man, who was old. Come on now, lol..
Pls don't disrespect the Equalizer.... these are small boiz..the equalizer only fights thanos
Joel (last of us) vs Rick(the walking dead)
The thing vs Colossus
Wolverine vs Black Panther
Deadshot vs Bulleye
Omni man vs Blue marvel
Hawk man vs Captain America
Joel vs. Rick would be awesome to see 😅
Joel
The Thing
Bullseye
Blue Marvel
Probably Cap. Hawk man canonically should have better physical stats and he’s more experienced but he’s a jobber, whereas Cap has a habit of punching above his level and coming out on top or at least with minimal injuries. I don’t think I’ve ever seen hawk man actually catch any meaningful Ws.
I think it would depend on who acted first on a given day.
Reacher is a sniper.
I am going to have to disagree with a lot of comments on here. Jack, if I remember correctly is not just a rifleman but a sniper and a very good one at that. Jack is more than good with a firearm. He is also not an aggression driven fighter. He is a very well thought out fighter. Skill I would give the slight advantage to John on fighting it only slightly. John’s skill is not going to counter jack’s strength at all. If jack gets his hands on John he is breaking arms and legs. Pistol marksmanship I give the slight advantage to John but again not enough to make a difference. Rifles I give to jack all day long. But again not enough to make a difference. Jack fighting John would be like a 14 year old 8th degree black belt fighting a 24 year old 4th degree black belt. They are both highly trained but the gap is not large enough to overcome Jack’s strengths. I would also argue that Jack has the sharper mind by far. Jack is very intelligent.
Now I really like both characters but have to give this to Jack.
I would put Mitch Rapp against any of them and he would destroy them both.
One of the things that bothers me is when people start saying these guys are super human. They are not. If they got full on hit by a car they would both die the movies add some flair but these characters are still only human. If they get shot they bleed. If Jack broke John’s legs they would be broken and vice versa. As far as intelligence, fighting, skill and etc. it is no contest when you bring Mitch Rapp in.
Either way it goes. Both have “plot armor”. Both have great and entertaining stories.
Iron Man vs Superman
King Shark vs Monkey D. Luffy
Batman (Nolan) vs Spider-Man (MCU)
Kratos vs Sailor Moon
Superman wins mid diff.
Monkey D. Luffy wins low diff (unless King Shark has consistent greater feats in the comics)
Spider-Man mcu wins mid to low diff.
Sailer Moon wins mid to high diff (I could be wrong on this one).
Superman wins mid diff.
Monkey D. Luffy wins low diff (unless King Shark has consistent greater feats in the comics)
Spider-Man mcu wins mid to low diff.
Sailer Moon wins mid to high diff (I could be wrong on this one).
Art the Clown vs Jason Voorhees
Art is going to anger Jason and whenever Jason touches Art blood will spill. Then Art stabs Jason a lot!! That’s a good fight, whoever revives from death first would be how you decide I guess
My money is on Jason
John Wick VS Agent Zero (X-Men Origins: Wolverine)
It should Agent Zero vs Punisher
@@YamatoJCE i got one: caine vs daredevil
Zero would obliterate John, he's a literal mutant. Bro drew his gun and shot a cigar out of Wolverine's mouth in less than a second
Reacher is strong but Wick is overall better
In the 80’s only Sly & Jean would make action movies look realistic by actually taking a beating irregardles of the class of fighter they go up against. I appreciated these two because they showed they could take as much as they can give. Jon is the bridge to those times of old and the now. No one is as fierce today as Scott Adkins. No one shows more flair in the knowledge in martial arts and instills fear more than Donnie Yen in the movie world. Jon is the Goku of action movies in America today
Both franchises know how to do authentic looking fight scenes (without shaky cam).
John wick fight scenes aren’t authentic at all🤣 they are fun to watch Forsure but he legit just flips over every other opponent he fights with the exact same takedown then proceeds to roll around a few times then limp away.
Reacher vs Bond is a MUCH better match up and I’ve always wanted to see it. How bout it, Dan??
How about a segment of characters that could possibly accomplish John Wick Feat for love.
If it was a fight to the death with no firearms,Jack Reacher is unbeatable,he's very big and strong with a very high tolerance towards pain,John Wick would be DOA very quickly
John Wick vs Equalizer
Wick all the way.
John lol too easy
John Wick wins, even if you high ball the Equalizer, it would be mid diff at best.
Equalizer wins all day.. he took down multiple organizations without needing to revert to using guns.. IQ goes to Equalizer as well as combat. While John, just in the first movie, needed to be saved by a sniper shooting his pillow and plot armor (he could have easily been killed when he was captured and tied to a chair).
@ you can’t compare those street level thugs to the best assassins in the world lol
Only thing id dispute is the Description of Reacher running on pure rage, thats incorrect.... If you read the books instead of watching the videos Reacher is Precise, Purposeful, Resourceful, and Calculated in his fighting, Hes also a top tier shooter Extremely Accurate... So If He Had to Take out John Wick itd be LongRifle Range or Grapple Range any range between 100' to 5' is John Wicks best area
All that said I Do still agree 70-80% of fights between them John beats Jack
Shredder vs Tai Lung
john wick vs the beekeeper
That’s a good one
I did ninjutsu for a few years and the idea is to avoid and evade combat, but when you do have to engage you strike as hard and as fast as you can and try to disable your opponent as efficiently as possible and then evade. When i fight nothing is off limits. Thats what reacher reminds me of (im no reacher 😅)
It feels like Wick is operating at 100,000 frames per second; he can observe a punch/bullet thrown at him, sit down, have a cup of tea, read a book, then get up and decide how to react before pressing the resume button.
Please do John Wick vs John Preston (Equilibrium)
Wick needs to be going against the T-800 at this point.
How about a gunfight between the top Cleric from Equilibrium vs. John Wick.
John Wick vs John Preston next! Gun-Kata vs Gun-fu!
So John Wick, Robert Mcall, and agent 47 walk into a room...
Wicks durability is actually even higher than mentioned because the first three movies, with all that damage he took, took place over like a single week.
I watched this twice. I've read every Reacher book. Reacher was a trained Army assassin and a West Point grad. He won the Wimbledon Cup. He was on the team that evaluated the replacement for the M1911. He commanded the 110th Special MP unit, a Major Case Investigation unit. He has taken out assassins, mob bosses, corrupt corporate executives, Special Forces and Green Berets, and more--these are the books, not the movies. He has been trained on almost every weapon known, just does not like knife fights, and yet is deadly with them. I am of the opinion that John Wick would not stand a chance in hell of taking Jack Reacher from the Lee Child's novels down. But then, I read, not just watch movies. Wick is toast.
Only thing John Wick has that's better than Reacher is plot armor. At least Reacher is set in a realistic universe and not some fantasy land where the protagonist casually gets up from being hit by cars or falling off buildings, taking hits on the way down that would certainly break bones in a normal person, then landing in a heap that would likely result in the death of any person in the Reacher universe. I don't like the comparison of these two characters, since it's such an apples to oranges thing.
If it's novels reacher, he is practically John Wick in the movies, but with a little more personality lol
John wick is bodied him, reacher can fight for shit and I am martial artist saying this
@@jacobharris954 blah blah blah
@@BillWrightabcwhy you buthurt over fictional character, is he your dad
Lord Voldemort vs Dr Strange
Batman vs Gordon Freeman (Half-Life)
Alfred Pennyworth (DC Comics) vs James Bond
Dominic Toretto (The Fast and the Furious) vs Loid Forger (Spy x Family
Lord Voldemort vs Dr strange would actually be good
Verdict
This battle could go either way, depending on the circumstances:
In a neutral arena: Wick's finesse and gunplay might tip the scales.
Reacher's tactical mind and physical dominance could give him the upper hand in a planned confrontation.
I'd like to see John Wick vs John Preston from the Movie Equalibrium
Reacher is a highly skilled fighter and an expert marksman. He was the first non-Marine to win the Wimbledon Cup. He bareknuckle fights, and beats, multiple attackers at a time, and does so in brutal fashion (he actually prefers fighting against multiple opponents). He's trained in the same martial arts as Wick and is a master at seeing his opponents' moves beforehand. He's also trained with knives. He's an expert tactician and his intelligence has been likened to Sherlock Holmes.
So, Reacher could take Wick out from a half a mile away or have a stalemate at handguns and knives ending with Reacher destroying Wick with his fists, or John running away because he's faster than Reacher. ;-)
Darkseid vs Surtur
Uh... Darkseid. Easily.
@ Surtur stronger than you think
Ragnarok Surtur with Twilight swords wrecks
@ryanjohnson108 Surtur is a physically strong character.. whereas Darkseid is an evil god who keeps servants stronger than Surtur
Ultron vs Brainiac Please
John's a retired Marine. Reacher's a retired Army MP/Investigator. Both have military training (but I'd say John's is superior), and John has arguably more combat/action experience. I don't doubt John is super intelligent, but knowing everything is Reacher's specialty.
John is a legendary figure among the criminal underworld, with countless connections and resources, including stuff most can't even imagine. Reacher is just a super smart soldier that happens to built like a brick shithouse. In any situation but a fistfight, John wins unless Reacher somehow knows *everything* about him and has plenty of prep time and catches John in a prepped area.
Was there ever a video on Reacher vs Punisher?
I feel like those two would be nearly equal when comparing tv show versions.
Remember, John is an assassin, and Jack is Batman, but in the military
Luke Cage vs Tombstone
Leon the professional vs John Wick
IRL, my money is on Keano. In the movies, Its Reacher.
John Wick vs Rama from Raid. It will be interesting 🔥
Nah vs mad dog. Thats a better fight
Don’t talk about jack reachers surprising stealth but great video
Killing someone with a damned horse is the most disrespectful thing I've ever seen.
It is probably only fair to point out that Jack Reacher is within the limits of what is possible, while John Wick is not.
Sonic vs Goku pls
Goku dude it isn’t even close. Even though I don’t like anime
@ hyper Sonic 🗿
Taskmaster once described Moon Knight as the embodiment of a .45 bullet, being so lethal that Nothing, Noone can stop him...
John Wick is the Armor Percing version, even while Just using a Pencil... A F*ing, Pencil!
You should do Riddick vs mcu captain america @danco
Deckard Shaw vs Caine (John Wick Chapter 4)
John vs Agent 47 or any other, agents win, but would love to see good and bad, also comparement, cheers
Wick was trained since a child
And hes still scrawny, old and gets slammed around and bodied but doesnt die because he has plot armor and literal "bulletproof" armor, like get real
Can you do why John Wick Vs Deathstroke Isnt Close
I’d like to see John Wick vs Michael Samuelle from La Femme Nikita late 90s tv show
BOTH are Hollywood actors !!
Enough said.
I'll go with the winner of The Wimbledon Cup. Wick is good, but Reacher is a freak who can really reach out and touch you. They both have great plot armor, but that should cancel out. Read Reacher's long ranges demonstration in book two.
John Wick vs Adam Clay
After that fall in JW3. Im convinced Wick is some sort of super human.
John Wick VS Ryo Saeba (City Hunter)
Have you done John Wick vs Batman yet?
I think it would be neat to do a secret agent battle royale.
John Wick, Jason Bourne, Agent 47, Brian Mills (Taken), James Bond, Solid Snake
Anyone else you can think of added in.
Jon jones
Dan co just repeating his videos 😂😂
Take away Wick's Hollywood abilities. And bring him down to a more realistic version of himself (someone that actually dies from falls and doesn't have fake bulletproof suit), Reacher wins every time. Reacher is a more realistic version of a highly trained individual. So leveling the playing field of realism. Reacher wins.
Do Nova (Richard Rider) Vs Superman
People often forget one extremely important factor when comparing these two. Luck. John survives despite adversity. Jack often survives due to things simply going his way.
Jack is stronger, smarter, and luckier. John is more proficient, ultimately determined, but not very lucky when it comes to circumstances. Everything always seems to go south on him.
Homelander vs Syndrome
Is this comment a joke?
Please do dead shot vs death stoke
John x Jack would be an unstoppable duo
I would like to see John wick vs christian bale's character from equilibrium
John Wick wins. Do videos on Silver Age Superman Vs Classic Adam Warlock, Superman/Superboy Prime Vs The Magus, & Cosmic Armor Superman Vs LT Adam Warlock. Also, do videos on The Silver Surfer Vs Captain Atom & The Punisher Vs David Cain.
John is actually neo on being reinserted into the matrix after the third movie.
The machines created a separate reality for him alone because he was too dangerous.
Edit: it would be cool for them to do a spin off series based on the Russian head of security from the first movie.
Dude handed John his ass. Maybe his rise in the mob, or them actually working together back in the day.