“You think I’m popular?” Reminds me of when Calli asked Henya for a collab and internally Henya was going “Wait you know about me? You know who I am?”.
If anything loud shippers are flat out lynched in corporate fandom. I still remember the day Hololive and Nijisanji fans flinging garbage about their yuri and yaoi ship (respectively) and these day it's just "Haha" jokes at most. Shippers are way louder in the indie scene, and it farms clips and engagement.
Tbf.. they are so free with what they could say and do, we tend to forget that they're even in a Corpo Lol. (E.G. Mouse, Nyanners and Kuro)@@blackjacktrial
"Doesn't happen in the indie sphere." *EYES Conner and Mouse's rabid shippers* But nah, my theory is the reincarnation basically served as a fanbase reset. Yeah, some of the new fanbase is the old fanbase, but a TON of talents have been able to shed a ton of their old baggage by switching up identity. Frequently, it's because a lot of those people didn't really know the talent well. If you ONLY knew them from clips from shippers, yeah, maybe you shipped them to a bit, and when you did catch a stream, you shipped, thinking it was just like... the WAY OF THINGS. But also, I think there's two things, and one of them that she touches on. 1) They are still good friends, but don't collab a lot. Even if you WANT to ship, you're sorta starved for fuel. 2) They're both much more 'no filter' in their Vshojo era. When Kuro or Michi tell you "Not happening", they're not saying it due to corporate mandate, they're not saying it so they don't lose some gachikoi fanbase, they're telling you that it's not happening.
those shippers arent as common as they used to be are they it's just more "ha ha bickering like a married couple" jokes rather than actual shipping, no
If anything loud shippers are flat out lynched in corporate fandom. I still remember the day Hololive and Nijisanji fans flinging garbage about their yuri and yaoi ship (respectively) and these day it's just "Haha" jokes at most. Shippers are way louder in the indie scene, and it farms clips and engagement.
@@ZeroXSEED I don't know, the takamori shippers got pretty rabid, and Kiara had to stop it. Didn't help that it was likely a corpro mandate to imitate OkaKoro
@@rankoprose I mean it depends, I'm a big Takamori, KronMei, BloodRaven (any ship Nerissa is a part of tbh) fan but exclusively in either fan content like fanarts or fancomics and the crumbs of intentional interactions the streamers themselves play up for jokes. Same with Mouse and Connor. I don't go out of my way to over analyze every interaction they have and claim they're secretly dating or demanding they should date irl or exclusively collab with each other. That's just weird
@@minifeebas8911yeah frankly, if they aren't together like that... yeah he's basically adopted into the family anyways I'm pretty sure and they are close no matter what, getting outright angry if they aren't romantically shipped is silly
5:56 Her reaction instantly reminded me of Tropic Thunder, when Ben Stiller's character is interviewed by Tyra and she says "You have no real family, you're on the wrong side of 40, you're childless and alone. Somebody close to you said: one more flop and it's over" at which point he goes "Somebody said they were close to me?" with a smidge of hope in his voice. 😂
Kuro: I would never date Michi! Michi: **hit by arrow** Kuro: I love her as a friend only! Michi: **hit by arrow** Kuro: Come on, guys! That's gross and weird! Michi: **hit by arrow** Kuro: We will never be anything more than friends! EVER! Michi: **killed by arrow**
Oh it def happens in the indie scene, make no mistake, not as prevalent as the corpo scene, but it happens, the Connor and ironmouse nonsense was probably one of the more infamous cases
Shippers are definitely just as common in the indie sphere but we don’t put it into the creators face as much. We understand boundaries more because we know creators have much more freedoms to call us out on shit. Corpos can’t call the weirdos out nearly as often because the companies know those type of fans support the most. They want the money from those weirdos. Indies don’t care as much about them cause they aren’t releasing shitty merch every month and need them to buy it so they are much more firmer in their boundaries. They will ban and block weirdos like that. So that’s why you don’t see a ton of shipping stuff out in the open in chats and comment sections. It’s definitely out there though just usually not where the creator can see it cause there is a fear of being banned and/or blocked by your oshi.
This hits like home. You trying to be nice to the person by explaining you two are not a thing (because the other person usually dont like being shipped) just to do the opposite and hurt them and make them think you dont like them because you said you are not together.
The only vtubers I ever shipped are Numi and Sinder and it has nothing to do with Numi and Sinder. I just think their dads would be the best in-laws ever. I think that's the only non-cringe way to ship anyone tbh. It has to be about something besides putting two people you don't really know in a probably-sexual relationship with each other.
I ship Numi and Cotton because Cotton straight up said on stream in no uncertain terms that she had a crush on Numi (admittedly like a year and a half ago) and Numi is very open about finding Cotton extremely attractive, but Numi is well known for self-sabotaging any time she starts getting too close to someone to the point of it being, like, a genuine problem. So to me it's more of a "I want Numi to be happy and here's this person who you get along really well with and you are mutually attracted to one another so go do it you idiot"
No japes, after joining VShojo the amount of shippers dropped off because this place doesn't have many of those. That and Kuro has dug his heels in for shit
I'm dealing with something similar. I recently found out I have lupus and my mom wants me back home. I've been out the house since i was 20 and im knocking on my mid 30s. It is something i have to seriously consider. Problem is im not even in the same state anymore. And i gotta find a job down where she is too.
@Kyeudo unfortunately I can't it is doomed because of her medical limitations. Ironmouse would never get into a committed relationship with a more able person she is too nice and wouldn't want to burden them it is incredibly sad like all the doomed ships of vshojo the lore is deep 🤧 😭
@@joshbetts7618 _["it is doomed because of her medical limitations."]_ Which become less and less every year. Do you understand how close we are to being able to manufacture bone marrow and by extension end the need for all forms of blood donation? If we can solve the last technical hurdles, such as the capillary problems, the cost of plasma will drop dramatically.
Have to wonder how much of that was the company pushing them, we know that was the case with Mysta pandering to the kpop audience because he hates that shit lol
Being that Kuro is the only guy member in VShojo is rather kinda hard to ship. It's like that 1 anime where is main protagonist is surrounded by a harem of women.
Corpo sphere fans with the Japanese companies is more likely to be filled with weebs that lean maybe a bit more toward the extreme side of things. Probably. So the more extreme shippers and all of that are probably floating around there
"Undateable" my ass. lol. I personally find shipping streamers fuckin weird, but if they don't care then whatever. and i love the funny community joke, but lets be real here. Michi is like, the perfect partner to some people lol.
I never understood it. Kuro is extremely, openly gay. Like, Michi is bi (I think), but Kuro is very clearly gay. I never understood why they thought he was dating a girl. It's also really weird to ship IRL people.
i googled.. "In 2022, the Indonesian government passed a bill making it illegal for unmarried couples to cohabit and engage in sexual activities outside of marriage. Offenders can face up to a year in jail. This new criminal code will take effect after about three years." Just like America , going back to the 1950's ...
@@chriskwakernaat2328 A little note from me as an Indonesian. While this is still bad and I personally disagree with that bill, there is a small "loophole" in the bill that the police can only incriminate the offenders if the case is started or reported by close family members (like parents) or spouse. Many believes the bill is passed to target cheating spouses and appease some conservatives in the government, but also trying to soften the impact for non-cheating cases. Of course there is a problem in cases of parents who are crazy enough to actually report their own child to the police, and also if in the future the bill is changed to allow everyone or the police to start a case.
Wait is it illegal to live with someone of the opposite sex in Indonesia when your not married or family? Because she said that before the whole marriage talk
Yeah. Pretty sure it's illegal and can get you to jail. But before even jail is a possibility (since you need family member to report it), the neighbors are gonna talk and exile you first most likely. Edit : If it's in close neighborhood. I dunno in big cities.
@@OrbObserver I do not care, they are not acting as characters. If they were maybe i'd have a different view. But more often than not they are acting as how they would in person and that is what bothers me about doing it. Like i'll go on n on n on about how much i love the idea of Lycaon and Belle from ZZZ goin on dates n such but i'm not gonna say some shit like that actors should date ya feel me?
@@SuperInsanewolf They are literally acting as characters and you are cataclysmically parasocial if you think otherwise. I don't talk about who the actors should date because I don't know who the actors are. I know the characters.
So since shes un dateable, does that mean I have a shot? We have so much in common. I also have health issues and need a person around. And I'm terrified of when my dad is going to die and I can't get a lover cuz I don't go outside. 😢 Also, she has the never taking anything seriously personality trait in common with my dad. I'm used to being the serious one.
Just live with kuro. All this time humming and hurring about dating and they don't date even once during this time. Like for christ sake. Just give it a try. Break up if it doesnt work out. I'm certain they're close enough friends to move past being each other's ex.
You heard her, the Indonesian government doesn't allow men and women who aren't related to live together...which is the wildest take away I think I have from this whole situation.
“You think I’m popular?”
Reminds me of when Calli asked Henya for a collab and internally Henya was going “Wait you know about me? You know who I am?”.
Our kettle is so wholesome and humble, dayo!
"Doesn't happen in the indie sphere." *Looks at Anny and Vedal*
Should somebody tell her that they aren't indie?
If anything loud shippers are flat out lynched in corporate fandom. I still remember the day Hololive and Nijisanji fans flinging garbage about their yuri and yaoi ship (respectively) and these day it's just "Haha" jokes at most.
Shippers are way louder in the indie scene, and it farms clips and engagement.
Hilariously, Neuro feeds that sometimes.
@@civildisorder I know! It’s so funny when she does
@@civildisorder
Vedal: "We are not a thing!"
Anny: "We MAY not be a thing!"
Neuro: "PLAP PLAP PLAP GET MARRIED GET MARRIED GET MARRIED!"
She didn't know she was undateable before this????
Clueless
That is what I was thinking
She still doesn't know after this lol
Meanwhile scrolling thru 15 different "MouseyDawg" account on youtube who act like rent is due everyday.
Since when is VShojo indie? They are top three corpo these days (with Holo and PhaseC). They just have a very loose vibe.
Tbf.. they are so free with what they could say and do, we tend to forget that they're even in a Corpo Lol. (E.G. Mouse, Nyanners and Kuro)@@blackjacktrial
@@wealllikeitsomilkit4301didnt Nyanners left?
Michi: "Tell them we're not dating!"
Kuro: "Ew, no I would never date Michi!"
Michi: "Wait what do you mean ew??"
100
"Doesn't happen in the indie sphere." *EYES Conner and Mouse's rabid shippers*
But nah, my theory is the reincarnation basically served as a fanbase reset. Yeah, some of the new fanbase is the old fanbase, but a TON of talents have been able to shed a ton of their old baggage by switching up identity. Frequently, it's because a lot of those people didn't really know the talent well. If you ONLY knew them from clips from shippers, yeah, maybe you shipped them to a bit, and when you did catch a stream, you shipped, thinking it was just like... the WAY OF THINGS.
But also, I think there's two things, and one of them that she touches on. 1) They are still good friends, but don't collab a lot. Even if you WANT to ship, you're sorta starved for fuel. 2) They're both much more 'no filter' in their Vshojo era. When Kuro or Michi tell you "Not happening", they're not saying it due to corporate mandate, they're not saying it so they don't lose some gachikoi fanbase, they're telling you that it's not happening.
those shippers arent as common as they used to be are they
it's just more "ha ha bickering like a married couple" jokes rather than actual shipping, no
If anything loud shippers are flat out lynched in corporate fandom. I still remember the day Hololive and Nijisanji fans flinging garbage about their yuri and yaoi ship (respectively) and these day it's just "Haha" jokes at most.
Shippers are way louder in the indie scene, and it farms clips and engagement.
@@ZeroXSEED I don't know, the takamori shippers got pretty rabid, and Kiara had to stop it. Didn't help that it was likely a corpro mandate to imitate OkaKoro
@@rankoprose I mean it depends, I'm a big Takamori, KronMei, BloodRaven (any ship Nerissa is a part of tbh) fan but exclusively in either fan content like fanarts or fancomics and the crumbs of intentional interactions the streamers themselves play up for jokes. Same with Mouse and Connor. I don't go out of my way to over analyze every interaction they have and claim they're secretly dating or demanding they should date irl or exclusively collab with each other. That's just weird
@@minifeebas8911yeah frankly, if they aren't together like that... yeah he's basically adopted into the family anyways I'm pretty sure and they are close no matter what, getting outright angry if they aren't romantically shipped is silly
Given Kuro's personality he probably could be easily talked into wearing a sexy nurse outfit
That would be tame for kuro, he shared a way worse story back in his previous life 😂
Bro, he might already own one.
5:56 Her reaction instantly reminded me of Tropic Thunder, when Ben Stiller's character is interviewed by Tyra and she says "You have no real family, you're on the wrong side of 40, you're childless and alone. Somebody close to you said: one more flop and it's over" at which point he goes "Somebody said they were close to me?" with a smidge of hope in his voice. 😂
I feel that on a spiritual level
I want to see a collab between Chibidoki & Bao using their chibi models with Michi as the "adult" in the room
Kuro: I would never date Michi!
Michi: **hit by arrow**
Kuro: I love her as a friend only!
Michi: **hit by arrow**
Kuro: Come on, guys! That's gross and weird!
Michi: **hit by arrow**
Kuro: We will never be anything more than friends! EVER!
Michi: **killed by arrow**
Those stitches are from arrows
I bet that last one hit her knee.
Almost read it as Kuro being the one hit by an arrow and interpreting it as a cupid doing the shooting and failing their task.
Before all of that
Kuro:"ew"
Oh it def happens in the indie scene, make no mistake, not as prevalent as the corpo scene, but it happens, the Connor and ironmouse nonsense was probably one of the more infamous cases
We love Michi as a friend too.
i think i remember "kuro" saying "it'll never happen"
so...
Her Bi is more female leaning then male leaning which is made the hot live in Maid
So... she needs a babysitter like Henya
Michi and Kuro are siblings separated at birth in my headcannon and no one's gonna stop me! /s
INCEST LESGOOOOOO
You know what they say...
"Don't dip your pen in the company ink."
Shippers are definitely just as common in the indie sphere but we don’t put it into the creators face as much. We understand boundaries more because we know creators have much more freedoms to call us out on shit. Corpos can’t call the weirdos out nearly as often because the companies know those type of fans support the most. They want the money from those weirdos. Indies don’t care as much about them cause they aren’t releasing shitty merch every month and need them to buy it so they are much more firmer in their boundaries. They will ban and block weirdos like that. So that’s why you don’t see a ton of shipping stuff out in the open in chats and comment sections. It’s definitely out there though just usually not where the creator can see it cause there is a fear of being banned and/or blocked by your oshi.
This hits like home. You trying to be nice to the person by explaining you two are not a thing (because the other person usually dont like being shipped) just to do the opposite and hurt them and make them think you dont like them because you said you are not together.
"I want shippers gone, but at what cost"
*monkey paw curl*
But get married with Kuro is the best option!
She’s barely realizing this now😂
The mata thing is understandable, but IN ADICION TO THAT catching strays from kuro is kinda sad...feeling bad for my homie michi....
I will never not think of shipping freight when people talk about "shipping"
Shipping can be fun, but please don't force it on anyone, especially when they don't like it
That should be easy to fix! Michi just needs to become dateable then! 👍🏼
Thats the hard part
If anyone figures that out, update me so I can try it 😂
"Doesn't happen in the indie sphere" Looks at Numi and her anime protagonist yuri harem.
Also the Tutel's 🐢 Harem with Anny being Neuro's favorite apparently.
The only vtubers I ever shipped are Numi and Sinder and it has nothing to do with Numi and Sinder. I just think their dads would be the best in-laws ever.
I think that's the only non-cringe way to ship anyone tbh. It has to be about something besides putting two people you don't really know in a probably-sexual relationship with each other.
I ship Numi and Cotton because Cotton straight up said on stream in no uncertain terms that she had a crush on Numi (admittedly like a year and a half ago) and Numi is very open about finding Cotton extremely attractive, but Numi is well known for self-sabotaging any time she starts getting too close to someone to the point of it being, like, a genuine problem.
So to me it's more of a "I want Numi to be happy and here's this person who you get along really well with and you are mutually attracted to one another so go do it you idiot"
@@SheffiTB that entire friend group is basically just a polycule waiting to happen
i miss roomie...
Kuro is familyzoned
i wander how she reacts to Neuro being number 1 Anny Vedal shipper moments
Pretty sure they gave up when they realized that Michi might be into women lol.
MIGHT? She’s not subtle at all about it 💀
i mean if i'm not mistaken she is bi, no
mainly interested in women, but not not interested in men
No japes, after joining VShojo the amount of shippers dropped off because this place doesn't have many of those. That and Kuro has dug his heels in for shit
MIGHT? Mata savaged her just recently. XD
She's confirmed bisexual.
I hope Kuro reacts to this
I'm dealing with something similar. I recently found out I have lupus and my mom wants me back home. I've been out the house since i was 20 and im knocking on my mid 30s. It is something i have to seriously consider. Problem is im not even in the same state anymore. And i gotta find a job down where she is too.
I ship doomed relationships like airi and haruka or michi and mata or connor and mouse its never gonna happen
You take that back about Connor and Mouse.
@Kyeudo unfortunately I can't it is doomed because of her medical limitations. Ironmouse would never get into a committed relationship with a more able person she is too nice and wouldn't want to burden them it is incredibly sad like all the doomed ships of vshojo the lore is deep 🤧 😭
@@joshbetts7618
_["it is doomed because of her medical limitations."]_
Which become less and less every year.
Do you understand how close we are to being able to manufacture bone marrow and by extension end the need for all forms of blood donation? If we can solve the last technical hurdles, such as the capillary problems, the cost of plasma will drop dramatically.
@Kyeudo this is all head cannon by the way but also Connor would also be very upset if he put Mouse in any danger
Shippers need therapy
5:55 to heck with the shippers, now you've activated all of the R34 artists!!
mika and mysta literally fed the shippers on the daily. literally
Have to wonder how much of that was the company pushing them, we know that was the case with Mysta pandering to the kpop audience because he hates that shit lol
I mean Kuro, instead of just debunking he could have been Michi's hype man and help her get someone that way as well. 🤣
Being that Kuro is the only guy member in VShojo is rather kinda hard to ship. It's like that 1 anime where is main protagonist is surrounded by a harem of women.
He doesn't even have a harem. They treat him like a little brother, not even the shota route.
Kuro is that one chuunibyou friend of the protagonist that gets swept by the harem members but are also friends with him 😂😂
If anyone in VShojo has a Harem it's 100% Kson.
@@LokiLiesGodHaruka?
@@LokiLiesGod it's more a polycule than a harem, really
Rip roomie 'v'7
Send this to Kuro rn
More Brochi And mama michi collabs!
She forgot step 3: hire a hot nanny, step 4: hot nanny becomes lover and step 5: broadcast your very own soap opera.
Anny and Vedal shippers waiting for the marriage stream. yeah it happens in Indie spheres, and people are way more intense about it
Wow ,at the end .....she totally Donald duck 😂😂😂😂wkwkkwk❤❤❤❤
Corpo sphere fans with the Japanese companies is more likely to be filled with weebs that lean maybe a bit more toward the extreme side of things. Probably. So the more extreme shippers and all of that are probably floating around there
Shes on something again….
"Undateable" my ass. lol.
I personally find shipping streamers fuckin weird, but if they don't care then whatever.
and i love the funny community joke, but lets be real here. Michi is like, the perfect partner to some people lol.
I think they're gone ever since they're traumatize for shipping Michi with Tenjin
My head canon is michi, haru, and ari polycule... Don't @ me
I am michi x 10jin stand 😉😏
Does she not remember when she reacted to the clip of Kuro being asked on Roblox if Michi was his girlfriend
Kuro X Michi
I ship it 🤣
Kuro like bones, if they ship Kuro it will be with futas.
Doki x Pomu or Dooby x Senzawa shippers are on the rise recently, you know
Isn't like, Kuro irl the illegitimate son of Tekken's creator? If Michi wants money, she should just tie the knot now
That language is extremely dehumanizing
I never understood it. Kuro is extremely, openly gay. Like, Michi is bi (I think), but Kuro is very clearly gay. I never understood why they thought he was dating a girl. It's also really weird to ship IRL people.
Source?
If u never understood it, refer to a lie detector stream. It was content sure, but u can't deny that it activated a lot of shipping
@@CougheePls polygraphs are not accurate, and toy lie detectors are even less accurate.
@@bored_person never said it was accurate, I said that stream activated a lot of shipping
@@CougheePls never said you said it was accurate
No shipping in the indie world? Lol
illegal?
i googled..
"In 2022, the Indonesian government passed a bill making it illegal for unmarried couples to cohabit and engage in sexual activities outside of marriage. Offenders can face up to a year in jail. This new criminal code will take effect after about three years."
Just like America , going back to the 1950's ...
@@chriskwakernaat2328 that's craaaaaazzzyyy
@@chriskwakernaat2328 A little note from me as an Indonesian. While this is still bad and I personally disagree with that bill, there is a small "loophole" in the bill that the police can only incriminate the offenders if the case is started or reported by close family members (like parents) or spouse. Many believes the bill is passed to target cheating spouses and appease some conservatives in the government, but also trying to soften the impact for non-cheating cases. Of course there is a problem in cases of parents who are crazy enough to actually report their own child to the police, and also if in the future the bill is changed to allow everyone or the police to start a case.
@@chriskwakernaat2328 ahhhh....regression.....
Shipping real people is an egregious form of objectification.
once again people being jerks to michi about her looks and on other things.... Just like people are jerks to henya about her booba
What does she mean her and Kuro arnt married yet?
Wait is it illegal to live with someone of the opposite sex in Indonesia when your not married or family? Because she said that before the whole marriage talk
Yes, that is why Roomie-chan was living with Michi even though she was already engaged for a year.
Yeah. Pretty sure it's illegal and can get you to jail. But before even jail is a possibility (since you need family member to report it), the neighbors are gonna talk and exile you first most likely.
Edit : If it's in close neighborhood. I dunno in big cities.
Shippers that ship real people need therapy
wait why is it illegal for her and kuro to be roomie?
Michi x mel is wild lmao. Completely incompatible
I dont ship real people.
We don't know them as real people. We know them as characters.
It dosent have to be real just like michi said just keep it to yourself
@@OrbObserver I do not care, they are not acting as characters. If they were maybe i'd have a different view. But more often than not they are acting as how they would in person and that is what bothers me about doing it. Like i'll go on n on n on about how much i love the idea of Lycaon and Belle from ZZZ goin on dates n such but i'm not gonna say some shit like that actors should date ya feel me?
@@SuperInsanewolf They are literally acting as characters and you are cataclysmically parasocial if you think otherwise. I don't talk about who the actors should date because I don't know who the actors are. I know the characters.
@@OrbObserver It's not parasocial to not wanna ship streamers, my guy.
Who's Shippers?
So since shes un dateable, does that mean I have a shot? We have so much in common. I also have health issues and need a person around. And I'm terrified of when my dad is going to die and I can't get a lover cuz I don't go outside. 😢 Also, she has the never taking anything seriously personality trait in common with my dad. I'm used to being the serious one.
Just live with kuro. All this time humming and hurring about dating and they don't date even once during this time.
Like for christ sake. Just give it a try. Break up if it doesnt work out. I'm certain they're close enough friends to move past being each other's ex.
Get a life
You heard her, the Indonesian government doesn't allow men and women who aren't related to live together...which is the wildest take away I think I have from this whole situation.