"idk how Asuka players have fun" It's the satisfaction of blowing someone up caused they pressed at the wrong time. The dopamine hits when I land a sabaki, a counter hit, a whiff punish, etc. It's great because I know it makes the opponent feel slightly stupid for getting hit by them.
Really? I feel like bryan is one of the characters people would gave to be really aware with due to a lot of his slow moves and lack of panic buttons. Maybe wake-up wr3 counter hit is just too good lol
You shouldn't always respect frames. If you know the opponent likes to use frame advantage to throw big moves then it's an opportunity to take your turn back and maybe a counterhit. Dragunov constantly has frame advantage, and if you always respect him it's a good way to get chipped to death. Most of the times there are better counterplays, but sometimes you just gotta show some disrespect. Although I'll it to you if they constantly press into disadvantage.
quick comment on my character (xiaoyu) - Her Tekken 8 snake edge is one of the slower ones at 29 frames. It's the, backturned heat smash, great punishment tools and knowledge checks like d34, HYP3 and fff3 that felt overpowered in the lower ranks. Anything lower than purple and the snake edges hit pretty consistently no matter how slow they are.
@@GiovanniBallerinii you would be surprised. I only just got through red ranks (Flame Ruler atm) and although they start blocking the snake edge it's still pretty consistent. Fujins are about the point where throwing it out randomly doesn't work more than once, really.
A literal bot ranked to reds with Eddy and his middle of the pack on this list lol. Raven and Victor with their mad counterable, duckable and steppable moves being above Dragunov, too. It's certainly a list.
no one plays Zafina, d+3,4 got nerfed, b+3,3 u can step pretty easily, and Lars‘s pickrate is awfully low. Just from that, i know u dont often play the game. Cheers
Lars is SUPER CHEESY...WTF...Gimmicky af and dashes all over the place. Devil Jin, also cheesy af. Eddie, easy to cheese with as well Nina, fair bc she has so many inputs to learn Paul, annoying Man these takes are off base unless we just have vastly different tekkie experiences/opponents
Lars may be the one of the worst characters in the game and most of his pressure is fake. But I can say after getting him to be my first character to GoD, his weakness makes me think more and work out things better than just me going autopilot all the time. I still got a long way to go so Lars you gotta work with me to reach the top
Heihachi probably deserves to be in annoying tier. I got Tekken God in a single day when I could never get it with Devil Jin (maybe I can now. i go through periods of Quick Match only so long it ends up being like the hyperbolic time chamber when i go back to Ranked)
Tbf it's a solid list. But I honestly disagree with kuma. Most people who call him gimmicky should try playing him to realise that he excels only with good fundamentals if not you will lose constantly. If you can't defend, backdash or sidestep appropriately you really can't cheese. All his best moves are super punishable, his jabs are weak. That's why he has good chip, good damage and *janky frames*. He has his pros and cons like every character but I honestly can't call that cheese. Analyse kuma gameplay from Fujin and above and compare that with those from Garyu and below. It's a completely different playstyle, where in the high ranks rather than cheese spam most players utilise proper fundamentals. Kuma is so overhated because its cool to hate, to justify why people lose to him
I can agree with some of this, and maybe its because I'm ass, but I feel like a lot of his moves can be deceiving, and he just has lots of wacky tools nobody else does. Also certain combos just straight up don't work on him, as well as getting clean hits on lows.
I'd put Kazuya in the annoying category. Constantly putting you in 50/50 situations, his damage can be ridiculous, has one of the best moves in the game (f,f+2)...
I can respect this opinion, especially when there are a TON of Kaz players out there. I just feel like his execution is pretty high, and he can have trouble if you really try to keep him on the defensive.
@@DannyLikesTekken execution does not equal honest, execution is a thing completely on its own. unless you mean they are so bad with execution that they literally dont have access to the cheese. honest characters should be characters that play fundamental tekken as much as possible and dont rely on stance pressure, artificial 50/50s, unblockables/untechables/guardbreaks, armor, knowledge checks etc. You said Lars pressure is fake, that is the very definition of cheese especially in low levels where noone knows anything. Drag may be extremely strong but cheesy he is not. Easy execution and access to all tools he needs are not cheese. You can argue qcf4 is broken but in the open it resets to neutral, at the wall its broken and indeed forces 50/50 but what character isnt busted at the wall. You mentioned the b3 fakeout, youre risking getting launched or mashed for 30 damage, people at low levels wont even block it anyway. Biggest cheese at low levels are throws and you can easily reach purple by just doing throw every time youre + and everyone has access to that. Sure Drag gets access to unbreakable tackles while in heat but its literally the only mechanic he gets from heat and even those are reactable/OSable. Drag has no cheese low , d2 is -1 and its just a mind game and hatchet risk reward is against drag, unless they never block low. fcfd1:4 is a bit cheesy because its +7 but you can OS almost everything with ss but noone does that. His damage isnt insane anymore. In fact his combo damage now is below average and his wall damage is average. The only real cheesy thing that he has is fake pressure with 21snk oB that noone challenges which you can literally jab check and beat all options. Maybe spamming 44 if the other guy cant react to an i35 move and jab float you. B42 extentions are indeed a knowledge checks for lower ranks but everyone and their mother knows the drag matchup up to a certain point (Ive seen mid purples ducking b421 from the first time it was used). You said Reina is hard to play. Red Reinas play exactly the same as TK reinas, they will spam ff2 and start the Sentai roulette. FF2 is i12 and way easier to hit than iwr2 from drag and I have yet to see a Reina not press after an ff2. From which she gains access to an untechable throw. oH youre literally playing 50/50 since you cant challenge (ill assume you cant react to the low since its not realistic for anyone who hasnt labbed that for hours), oB youre still rolling dice but now they are in your favor in the form of 121/dickjab/armor which beat more options than they lose to. If you can read them and armor the ff2 they fall over because thats their only game plan. Lidia is not honest. She is THE stance character. You literally go from stance to stance to stance. Imagine Reina but now roll the dice 3 times in a row while ss doesnt work on almost anything (which is a pattern with all characters that have stance pressure).
You lost me when you put Azu in Annoying considering the other options existing in Annoying but also putting SHAHEEN !!!! in Fair lmao. In retrospect you did say to get to Fujin with and that's fair I do get where this TierList is coming from but also tbf , Fujin in T8 is not that big of a milestone skill wise, from Tekken Emperor onwards , a whole different game , cuz you'll be matched with people who lab extensively, rely on their character's carry, probably know all the matchups in the game and knows how to fully utilize their tools. That's why I do think that this game is so shit is that it gives a false sense of achievement with it's ranked (unlike Tekken 7 or previous installments) and as polished as it looks, it lacks a lot of traditional Tekken stuff like neutral and what not. The fact that you get beat by another player, knowing full well that on equal footing you can demolish them, but they only beat you coz they're playing the 5 or 6 characters that are so rewarding and (like it or not) carried in this game (i.e Shaheen,Drag,Alissa,Yoshi,Nina,Jin etc) is actually so sad and will drive many players ( such as myself) to stop playing the game alltogether .
I got no main in Tekken8 till full roster😂 They done ma boi Jin (main since 3) so baf, not bad but its not Jin whom I used to play with. Ma boi Jin feels like some random stranget to me in 8😅 Sad😢
@@DannyLikesTekken people focus so much on execution that they skip fundies. If you can't get a electric punish every time it doesn't mean your bad at the execution. It means you're getting use to it. Outside of electrics and devil sweeps his combos aren't that hard tbh.
@@DannyLikesTekken fc hellsweep is a jailing two hit with no guaranteed follow up, the only other low option he has puts him in backturned which takes skill to navigate, the only mid options he has is a the wr elbow ch launcher and a regular uppercut launcher, so thats basically no different than kazuya's options out of a wavedash and you put kazuya in honest tier make that make sense, mind you his wr mids cant be excuted anywhere near as fast as ewgf can be
decent list. Agree with the annoying list. Bryan tho, could go into "difficult to deal with" and you can copy paste Alisa into 'annoying' list and rank her no.1
If all you mean by carried is "can get to this rank easy" that just means the rank you chose isn't a good metric for achievement in the first place Also the rank you chose to say "alright up to this point you can be carried" is literally the highest rank you've been, at least from what I can see in your vods Im here for more Tekken content creators but this could have been a reddit post my guy
"idk how Asuka players have fun"
It's the satisfaction of blowing someone up caused they pressed at the wrong time. The dopamine hits when I land a sabaki, a counter hit, a whiff punish, etc. It's great because I know it makes the opponent feel slightly stupid for getting hit by them.
Honestly fair. I just say that cuz It feels like every Asuka player spams the parry, and the same 3 strings. Thats just me though 🤷🏻♂️
I can get behind most of this list but kazuya harder than Steve is a god awful take
This video is so dumb considering the amount of bryans that dont even know their frames at god lmfao
Really? I feel like bryan is one of the characters people would gave to be really aware with due to a lot of his slow moves and lack of panic buttons. Maybe wake-up wr3 counter hit is just too good lol
You shouldn't always respect frames. If you know the opponent likes to use frame advantage to throw big moves then it's an opportunity to take your turn back and maybe a counterhit. Dragunov constantly has frame advantage, and if you always respect him it's a good way to get chipped to death. Most of the times there are better counterplays, but sometimes you just gotta show some disrespect. Although I'll it to you if they constantly press into disadvantage.
Why your oppinion means absolutely nothing to everyone.
So real dude good thing you clicked on the video 😭
quick comment on my character (xiaoyu) - Her Tekken 8 snake edge is one of the slower ones at 29 frames. It's the, backturned heat smash, great punishment tools and knowledge checks like d34, HYP3 and fff3 that felt overpowered in the lower ranks. Anything lower than purple and the snake edges hit pretty consistently no matter how slow they are.
I dont think snake edges work consistently in red rank
@@GiovanniBallerinii you would be surprised. I only just got through red ranks (Flame Ruler atm) and although they start blocking the snake edge it's still pretty consistent. Fujins are about the point where throwing it out randomly doesn't work more than once, really.
A literal bot ranked to reds with Eddy and his middle of the pack on this list lol. Raven and Victor with their mad counterable, duckable and steppable moves being above Dragunov, too. It's certainly a list.
So true
Move Zafina, Hwoarang (D3,4), Lee (B3,3) and lars into cheesy and I agree with this list
Honestly fair
no one plays Zafina, d+3,4 got nerfed, b+3,3 u can step pretty easily, and Lars‘s pickrate is awfully low. Just from that, i know u dont often play the game. Cheers
@@OTs-03his comment is no indication of how often he plays the game
Lars is SUPER CHEESY...WTF...Gimmicky af and dashes all over the place.
Devil Jin, also cheesy af.
Eddie, easy to cheese with as well
Nina, fair bc she has so many inputs to learn
Paul, annoying
Man these takes are off base unless we just have vastly different tekkie experiences/opponents
Lars may feel cheesy but once you realize all of his pressure is fake and you can hit him out of 80% of it, he loses his cheese factor.
Claudio is super cheese during heat. Can't even fight him because of his advantage state.
that is true
Lars may be the one of the worst characters in the game and most of his pressure is fake. But I can say after getting him to be my first character to GoD, his weakness makes me think more and work out things better than just me going autopilot all the time. I still got a long way to go so Lars you gotta work with me to reach the top
Heihachi probably deserves to be in annoying tier. I got Tekken God in a single day when I could never get it with Devil Jin (maybe I can now. i go through periods of Quick Match only so long it ends up being like the hyperbolic time chamber when i go back to Ranked)
Tbf it's a solid list. But I honestly disagree with kuma. Most people who call him gimmicky should try playing him to realise that he excels only with good fundamentals if not you will lose constantly. If you can't defend, backdash or sidestep appropriately you really can't cheese. All his best moves are super punishable, his jabs are weak. That's why he has good chip, good damage and *janky frames*. He has his pros and cons like every character but I honestly can't call that cheese. Analyse kuma gameplay from Fujin and above and compare that with those from Garyu and below. It's a completely different playstyle, where in the high ranks rather than cheese spam most players utilise proper fundamentals. Kuma is so overhated because its cool to hate, to justify why people lose to him
I can agree with some of this, and maybe its because I'm ass, but I feel like a lot of his moves can be deceiving, and he just has lots of wacky tools nobody else does. Also certain combos just straight up don't work on him, as well as getting clean hits on lows.
I'd put Kazuya in the annoying category. Constantly putting you in 50/50 situations, his damage can be ridiculous, has one of the best moves in the game (f,f+2)...
I can respect this opinion, especially when there are a TON of Kaz players out there. I just feel like his execution is pretty high, and he can have trouble if you really try to keep him on the defensive.
@@DannyLikesTekken execution does not equal honest, execution is a thing completely on its own. unless you mean they are so bad with execution that they literally dont have access to the cheese. honest characters should be characters that play fundamental tekken as much as possible and dont rely on stance pressure, artificial 50/50s, unblockables/untechables/guardbreaks, armor, knowledge checks etc. You said Lars pressure is fake, that is the very definition of cheese especially in low levels where noone knows anything.
Drag may be extremely strong but cheesy he is not. Easy execution and access to all tools he needs are not cheese. You can argue qcf4 is broken but in the open it resets to neutral, at the wall its broken and indeed forces 50/50 but what character isnt busted at the wall. You mentioned the b3 fakeout, youre risking getting launched or mashed for 30 damage, people at low levels wont even block it anyway. Biggest cheese at low levels are throws and you can easily reach purple by just doing throw every time youre + and everyone has access to that. Sure Drag gets access to unbreakable tackles while in heat but its literally the only mechanic he gets from heat and even those are reactable/OSable. Drag has no cheese low , d2 is -1 and its just a mind game and hatchet risk reward is against drag, unless they never block low. fcfd1:4 is a bit cheesy because its +7 but you can OS almost everything with ss but noone does that. His damage isnt insane anymore. In fact his combo damage now is below average and his wall damage is average. The only real cheesy thing that he has is fake pressure with 21snk oB that noone challenges which you can literally jab check and beat all options. Maybe spamming 44 if the other guy cant react to an i35 move and jab float you. B42 extentions are indeed a knowledge checks for lower ranks but everyone and their mother knows the drag matchup up to a certain point (Ive seen mid purples ducking b421 from the first time it was used).
You said Reina is hard to play. Red Reinas play exactly the same as TK reinas, they will spam ff2 and start the Sentai roulette. FF2 is i12 and way easier to hit than iwr2 from drag and I have yet to see a Reina not press after an ff2. From which she gains access to an untechable throw. oH youre literally playing 50/50 since you cant challenge (ill assume you cant react to the low since its not realistic for anyone who hasnt labbed that for hours), oB youre still rolling dice but now they are in your favor in the form of 121/dickjab/armor which beat more options than they lose to. If you can read them and armor the ff2 they fall over because thats their only game plan.
Lidia is not honest. She is THE stance character. You literally go from stance to stance to stance. Imagine Reina but now roll the dice 3 times in a row while ss doesnt work on almost anything (which is a pattern with all characters that have stance pressure).
his stance pressure is non existent idk what are you talking about you can jab or sidestep duck
who?
You lost me when you put Azu in Annoying considering the other options existing in Annoying but also putting SHAHEEN !!!! in Fair lmao. In retrospect you did say to get to Fujin with and that's fair I do get where this TierList is coming from but also tbf , Fujin in T8 is not that big of a milestone skill wise, from Tekken Emperor onwards , a whole different game , cuz you'll be matched with people who lab extensively, rely on their character's carry, probably know all the matchups in the game and knows how to fully utilize their tools. That's why I do think that this game is so shit is that it gives a false sense of achievement with it's ranked (unlike Tekken 7 or previous installments) and as polished as it looks, it lacks a lot of traditional Tekken stuff like neutral and what not. The fact that you get beat by another player, knowing full well that on equal footing you can demolish them, but they only beat you coz they're playing the 5 or 6 characters that are so rewarding and (like it or not) carried in this game (i.e Shaheen,Drag,Alissa,Yoshi,Nina,Jin etc) is actually so sad and will drive many players ( such as myself) to stop playing the game alltogether .
Make more of Tekken vids. Maybe you’ll get blessed by the algorithm 👍🏾
Thank you!!
I got no main in Tekken8 till full roster😂
They done ma boi Jin (main since 3) so baf, not bad but its not Jin whom I used to play with.
Ma boi Jin feels like some random stranget to me in 8😅
Sad😢
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tell me your a kaz main without telling me your a kaz main. lmao
Im a Dragunov main LOL. I've honestly tried playing Kaz and i am not great at his execution at all
@@DannyLikesTekken people focus so much on execution that they skip fundies. If you can't get a electric punish every time it doesn't mean your bad at the execution. It means you're getting use to it. Outside of electrics and devil sweeps his combos aren't that hard tbh.
raven is not easy to cheese with
I think his full crouch hellsweep says otherwise
@@DannyLikesTekken fc hellsweep is a jailing two hit with no guaranteed follow up, the only other low option he has puts him in backturned which takes skill to navigate, the only mid options he has is a the wr elbow ch launcher and a regular uppercut launcher, so thats basically no different than kazuya's options out of a wavedash and you put kazuya in honest tier make that make sense, mind you his wr mids cant be excuted anywhere near as fast as ewgf can be
@@DannyLikesTekken it deals moderate damage and only leads to another mix-up.
not a problem move
decent list. Agree with the annoying list. Bryan tho, could go into "difficult to deal with" and you can copy paste Alisa into 'annoying' list and rank her no.1
use a script. too many ums
real
If all you mean by carried is "can get to this rank easy" that just means the rank you chose isn't a good metric for achievement in the first place
Also the rank you chose to say "alright up to this point you can be carried" is literally the highest rank you've been, at least from what I can see in your vods
Im here for more Tekken content creators but this could have been a reddit post my guy