Whoops, I forgot Medicham, which would be quite good! It needs Jolly to outrun Aero, but would still hit hard (and I'm sure you could get away with running Adamant if you built your team well). It doesn't have the same spammability of STAB that Hera's Megahorn does, but its power is obviously nuts. Brick Break/Shadow Ball/Rock Slide/Focus Punch or HP Bug (Cele OHKO is big, also ensures you target Cele/Dol/Mie without allowing Tar to switch in on the resist). Would be great on offense and maybe even some more balanced teams, with or without Spikes
i was thinking this the whole video - glad you had the thought after the fact. medicham outspeeding zapdos and the like is so strong, and would love to come in and spam brick break after ttar pursuit traps the ghost type
Is this sort of strategy uncommon? Cuz I haven't seen it out there (at all) but I've tried it before. I thought it was something viewed as "not good enough" or something like that
@@davidshatto7604 yeah i agree. hard to see it being consistent but there are also plenty of scarfers that don’t really have a fourth move they particularly want and situations where you’re going to get knocked out aren’t too uncommon
@@se44th weeeell i'm quite fond of Final Gambit Staraptor (DELETE my beloved) with Scarf and full HP and speed. Final Gambit + U Turn (with intimidate) is the "core" Close Combat has proven useful aaaaand a friend told me to put Tailwind in there just because, to have a fourth move. I thought I wouldn't use it but it has actually won me more games than Final Gambit itself 😂 My first status Scarfer was Honchkrow, btw. I planned it like an in-between of Honch (good offense) + Murk (speed and status). It was... Iffy. But back then I wasn't very experienced, so I might try it again now (thanks for the idea)
Ryan gosling would have a speedstat of 130 since I saw a Jolteon artwork, which drove a car and it reminded me of our favorite actor from the cult classic "Drive"
From all the additions I've been play testing in ADV, this was by far the most controversial (way above Boots/SRs, for that matter). Changing speedtiers was a bit too gamebreaking in the long run, especially in a metagame as shaped around speed as this one.
What if Light Clay was in ADV OU? Brick Break is way more popular than any other generation, but the power level is so low that it might be possible for ddtar etc. to get multiple boosts off under screens and sweep
I think there is a great chance that this was even intended but Game Freak messed up somehow with Ghost barely being a testable attacking type and already suffering other major bugs in Gen 1. Every Ghost Pokemon until Gen 3 and IIRC every Dark type other than Houndoom has a stat spread that would benefit from those types being swapped, and Shadow Ball even drops SpD as an added effect even though it's a physical move. However, I think it would actually be less interesting this way. Gengar and Misdreavus would be able to use STAB moves instead of being forced to trade that off against relying on great defensive typing/abilities and coverage/utility movepools. Tyranitar could more mindlessly optimize Attack instead of having to pick between physical, special and mixed variants, etc. It's just really unfortunately that this interesting asymmetry was seemingly an accident that very few mons are balanced around (e.g. Sneasel doesn't have enough to make up for it having two unusuable STABs) and got basically destroyed in Gen 4 instead of something that was planned and exploited to create potentially what could be a more meaningfully diverse metagame than what the post physical/special split world became.
What if Air Balloon was in ADV OU? With how prevalent Spikes and Arena Trap are, I think Air Balloon would be good item choice. Although the spike immunity isn't too great considering the item is gone after one hit. Sacrificing Leftovers could be an issue with sand chip. But some Pokémon might benefit from Air Balloon more. Pokémon like Magneton, Blaziken, and Camerupt come to mind.
Depends on how many layers of spikes were in the field for it to be worth it. One layer of spikes is negated by one turn of lefties, but 3 layers would be 4 turns of lefties, so it depends on how many turns the Pokemon is out as to whether or not it's worth it
I'd like to see resist berries, I'd reckon they'd be very popular on sand immune pokemon; chople, wacan, shuca and occa berries would serve as great boons for trap weak mons. Wacan would be like a pseudo shed shell for skarm for teams that really need it for example.
I got a couple questions, one pertaining to this video and another to maybe a future vid you might make. The first question is did you consider the effects of Celebi SD Passing to scarfers for this video? I feel like the potential of something like Scarf Tar or Scar Hera would become immense if one could reliably pass an SD to them, to the point that it might be a bit overwhelming, but maybe you didn’t feel that way?” My next question relates to resist berries, which you mentioned in this video. Do you think that if they existed RSE OU that they’d exasperate set up sweepers like DD Salamence and Tar, or would they not be that big of a deal?
It would make some pokemon 50% faster but unable to switch moves. It honestly feels like a bad tradeoff in all the early generations, when bulky offense with coverage is king.
i think scarf would be the worst cos theres honestly no highpower move that a pokemon could spam and lock into, except megahorn maybe? lol theres no close combat or outrage or whatever
@@danka1167scarf Outrage is common enough in Gen 4 (and mixed flygon straight up runs outrage/u turn/earthquake/fire blast). And band Outrage is also pretty common, which I will admit isn't quite the same
@@Dragostorm21Mixed Flygon doesn't run Outage or Uturn, at least commonly. Draco meteor, earthquake and fire blast are a given, and the last slot is mostly roost.
I think this could've led to Tyranitar being banned since Sand would be such a huge burden if not for a specific build (which automatically would make Sand way too centralizing in the Teambuilder)
Makes me wonder how Life Orb would affect gen 3? Shouldn't it have mons who'd run it? Salamence, TTar, Flygon, even something like Blaziken. These mons can run Choice Band, so Life Orb may have a purpose
At the same time, the chip is rough when dug can revenge kill you and spikes/sand go ham. Life Orb starmie for example takes 16% every turn and with spikes added that is rough
@@Dragostorm21ah, forgot to factor that. Spikes can be rough. Seems only Flying/Levitate mons could viably run it with some form of consistency. Besides Flygon and Claydoll, it doesn't look like many others can run it
I'm gonna say something controversial. I hate choice scarf. I have no problem with choice band or specs but scarf is where I draw the line. Speed is on of the most important stats in the game and to gain basically a plus one speed without any effort is wrong to me.
I'm gonna say something controversial. I hate choice specs. I have no problem with choice band or scarf, but specs is where I draw the line. Special attack is one of the most important stats in the game and to gain basically a plus one special attack boost without any effort is wrong to me
@@maeve7220 hehe lol I did say that in a cringe way. But like English is my second language so I don't know how to express my opinion properly. Though I shouldn't start making excuses for my cringeness.
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Whoops, I forgot Medicham, which would be quite good! It needs Jolly to outrun Aero, but would still hit hard (and I'm sure you could get away with running Adamant if you built your team well). It doesn't have the same spammability of STAB that Hera's Megahorn does, but its power is obviously nuts. Brick Break/Shadow Ball/Rock Slide/Focus Punch or HP Bug (Cele OHKO is big, also ensures you target Cele/Dol/Mie without allowing Tar to switch in on the resist). Would be great on offense and maybe even some more balanced teams, with or without Spikes
What if Air Balloon was in ADV OU! Love u bkc keep up the goodw ork
i was thinking this the whole video - glad you had the thought after the fact. medicham outspeeding zapdos and the like is so strong, and would love to come in and spam brick break after ttar pursuit traps the ghost type
Imagine sending this paragraph to a casual Pokemon fan and losing them immediately
What if karate chop was fight type in gen 1? Has this been tried
throwing rain dance as a 4th move on a scarfer could be interesting so it could come in later/lower hp and get dance off before it dies
you're cooking, Imma try this
Is this sort of strategy uncommon? Cuz I haven't seen it out there (at all) but I've tried it before. I thought it was something viewed as "not good enough" or something like that
@@blakerenimu9033wouldn’t be very consistent because if your Pokémon isn’t kod you’re losing turns of rain dance and are just dead weight
@@davidshatto7604 yeah i agree. hard to see it being consistent but there are also plenty of scarfers that don’t really have a fourth move they particularly want and situations where you’re going to get knocked out aren’t too uncommon
@@se44th weeeell i'm quite fond of Final Gambit Staraptor (DELETE my beloved) with Scarf and full HP and speed.
Final Gambit + U Turn (with intimidate) is the "core"
Close Combat has proven useful aaaaand a friend told me to put Tailwind in there just because, to have a fourth move. I thought I wouldn't use it but it has actually won me more games than Final Gambit itself 😂
My first status Scarfer was Honchkrow, btw. I planned it like an in-between of Honch (good offense) + Murk (speed and status). It was... Iffy. But back then I wasn't very experienced, so I might try it again now (thanks for the idea)
Phew, I almost was about to be productive.
Offensive teams when Scarf Heracross gets safely into the field :
Heracross kind of dripped out of their mind in this thumbnail
Pokémon would be faster than Ryan Gosling
Goated comment fml 😂😂😂
what would Ryan Gosling’s base speed be? how many evs would it have to run to outrun Adamant mence?
Ryan gosling would have a speedstat of 130 since I saw a Jolteon artwork, which drove a car and it reminded me of our favorite actor from the cult classic "Drive"
Lanturn would have another viable set. A dream comes true
From all the additions I've been play testing in ADV, this was by far the most controversial (way above Boots/SRs, for that matter). Changing speedtiers was a bit too gamebreaking in the long run, especially in a metagame as shaped around speed as this one.
I’ve always wondered what if choice scarf was in ADV OU. This will definitely be the BKC video of all time, this is insane
What if Light Clay was in ADV OU? Brick Break is way more popular than any other generation, but the power level is so low that it might be possible for ddtar etc. to get multiple boosts off under screens and sweep
Screens --> boom offensive Claydol would be very epic. Maybe have a taunt dd tar for skarm/status
Scarf Sleep Talk-Roar/Whirlwind Aero to truly outspeed basically everything 🗿
How would it fall asleep tho??
@@danka1167 Hoping the opposing team has a sleep Mon and you switch Aero in on it lol
@@danka1167Make sure it stays up late the night before the battle
@@danka1167you put it to sleep in a wild battle before the fight
The offhand remark about scarf being good in ubers makes me want bkc to talk about adv ubers... idk what specifically though
What if: ADV (and/or: GSC) Ghost and Dark traded physical/special designation? (Ghost becomes special, Dark becomes physical)
That’s hot. Great idea.
I think there is a great chance that this was even intended but Game Freak messed up somehow with Ghost barely being a testable attacking type and already suffering other major bugs in Gen 1. Every Ghost Pokemon until Gen 3 and IIRC every Dark type other than Houndoom has a stat spread that would benefit from those types being swapped, and Shadow Ball even drops SpD as an added effect even though it's a physical move.
However, I think it would actually be less interesting this way. Gengar and Misdreavus would be able to use STAB moves instead of being forced to trade that off against relying on great defensive typing/abilities and coverage/utility movepools. Tyranitar could more mindlessly optimize Attack instead of having to pick between physical, special and mixed variants, etc.
It's just really unfortunately that this interesting asymmetry was seemingly an accident that very few mons are balanced around (e.g. Sneasel doesn't have enough to make up for it having two unusuable STABs) and got basically destroyed in Gen 4 instead of something that was planned and exploited to create potentially what could be a more meaningfully diverse metagame than what the post physical/special split world became.
man, i JUST hopped on a long trip bus. i was kinda bad bc is a 4 hour trip and this video literally flipped my mood
thanks kev, i knew you got me ❤
Now you can watch this video eight times!
Choice Scarf Focus Punch to win the mirror.
What if Air Balloon was in ADV OU? With how prevalent Spikes and Arena Trap are, I think Air Balloon would be good item choice. Although the spike immunity isn't too great considering the item is gone after one hit. Sacrificing Leftovers could be an issue with sand chip. But some Pokémon might benefit from Air Balloon more. Pokémon like Magneton, Blaziken, and Camerupt come to mind.
Air balloon Magneton would turn the tables on Trio lol
This should be a video. It deserves discussion
That would nerf Dug to oblivion
Depends on how many layers of spikes were in the field for it to be worth it. One layer of spikes is negated by one turn of lefties, but 3 layers would be 4 turns of lefties, so it depends on how many turns the Pokemon is out as to whether or not it's worth it
All that’s left is what if choice ban- oh.
Funnily enough I was actually thinking about this earlier always felt weird that band was the only choice item
scarfed Pokemon have always been the most exploitable out of all choice-locked Pokemon
From three weeks without a video to three in two days… we’ve been spoiled
Finally, I was waiting for this video
I'd like to see resist berries, I'd reckon they'd be very popular on sand immune pokemon; chople, wacan, shuca and occa berries would serve as great boons for trap weak mons. Wacan would be like a pseudo shed shell for skarm for teams that really need it for example.
Wacan berry offensive skarm sounds nutty
I'd start playing GSC and RBY more, that's what.
I was thinking about Wailord, scarf Water Spout when it's at full health hurts alot, has Ice Beam for coverage 👌🏻
What if BKC was too drippy to scuffle?
What if Swampert was in GSC?
Choice Specs would be incredible broken in gen 3, all tiers considered
Could you make a video on how different things would be if stealth rock was actually stealth ice?
Weavile would be a menace
Lando Glisc and Chomp all chilling in PU lol
@@sandeepssv8930Meanwhile, Volc is just chilling in Ubers every gen
This also just makes so much more sense. There have been spikes before so it makes more sense to me to add ice spikes.
ice types would actually gain a fraction of defensive utility
What if gen 3 sand hits like gen 2 sand
What if dpp sandstorm had double the power of gsc sandstorm
How does gen 2 sand hit?
@@Nadid_Dhrabb It did 12% back then and outdamaged leftovers. Thats why people have experimented with Sandstall in gsc
@@Cobalt957 I see thank you for the info, 12% sand is insane
@@Nadid_Dhrabbtbf you had to spend a turn ssetting it up
Gardevoir could be decent with a trick set imo
I got a couple questions, one pertaining to this video and another to maybe a future vid you might make.
The first question is did you consider the effects of Celebi SD Passing to scarfers for this video? I feel like the potential of something like Scarf Tar or Scar Hera would become immense if one could reliably pass an SD to them, to the point that it might be a bit overwhelming, but maybe you didn’t feel that way?”
My next question relates to resist berries, which you mentioned in this video. Do you think that if they existed RSE OU that they’d exasperate set up sweepers like DD Salamence and Tar, or would they not be that big of a deal?
It would make some pokemon 50% faster but unable to switch moves. It honestly feels like a bad tradeoff in all the early generations, when bulky offense with coverage is king.
Not ADV but i do havea vid suggestion: what if Heatran was Fire/Ground instead of Fire/Steel?
i think scarf would be the worst cos theres honestly no highpower move that a pokemon could spam and lock into, except megahorn maybe? lol
theres no close combat or outrage or whatever
Outrage literally isn’t used as common stab
@@danka1167scarf Outrage is common enough in Gen 4 (and mixed flygon straight up runs outrage/u turn/earthquake/fire blast). And band Outrage is also pretty common, which I will admit isn't quite the same
@@Dragostorm21Mixed Flygon doesn't run Outage or Uturn, at least commonly. Draco meteor, earthquake and fire blast are a given, and the last slot is mostly roost.
It would be insane folks, if the item choice scarf was indeed in gen 3 ou
Scarf water spout wailord not mentioned :,(
What is item clause was introduced to ADV? How would the format cope with only running one leftovers?
I think itd ruin the game tbh. Be like gen 2 with ttar instead of lax
I think this could've led to Tyranitar being banned since Sand would be such a huge burden if not for a specific build (which automatically would make Sand way too centralizing in the Teambuilder)
scarf randomness would suck
Makes me wonder how Life Orb would affect gen 3?
Shouldn't it have mons who'd run it? Salamence, TTar, Flygon, even something like Blaziken. These mons can run Choice Band, so Life Orb may have a purpose
At the same time, the chip is rough when dug can revenge kill you and spikes/sand go ham. Life Orb starmie for example takes 16% every turn and with spikes added that is rough
@@Dragostorm21ah, forgot to factor that. Spikes can be rough. Seems only Flying/Levitate mons could viably run it with some form of consistency.
Besides Flygon and Claydoll, it doesn't look like many others can run it
I'm gonna say something controversial. I hate choice scarf. I have no problem with choice band or specs but scarf is where I draw the line. Speed is on of the most important stats in the game and to gain basically a plus one speed without any effort is wrong to me.
I'm gonna say something controversial. I hate choice specs. I have no problem with choice band or scarf, but specs is where I draw the line. Special attack is one of the most important stats in the game and to gain basically a plus one special attack boost without any effort is wrong to me
I would actually argue the opposite. Scarf is a healthy item cause gives more viability to a lot of mid mons
@@maeve7220 hehe lol I did say that in a cringe way. But like English is my second language so I don't know how to express my opinion properly. Though I shouldn't start making excuses for my cringeness.