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I've desperately try to sell AR for months and can't find any takers. There's a big difference between KTC value and what you can actually get for him.
AR15 + Kittle was traded for Josh Allen in my league. I bout fell out of my damn chair and spit my drink out when I saw that. Anthony Richardson has played 17 actual football games since high school and had worse passing stats in college than Tim Tebow. I've been screaming from the rooftops that he's the most inexplicably over rated player I've ever seen.
The only problem I have with the Diggs is that the drop off had to do with the Oc change mid season and they ran the ball more after that, I think in the Houston Texans pass heavy offense Diggs will be fine for this year
Talking about AR not having contract insolation is effing crazy when during draft szn there’s so much talk about teams potentially trading into the end of the first to grab a 5th year option on a qb… It’s clearly valuable and there’s a competitive advantage to building around a cheaper qb (reasons for insolation) we’ll be able to read the room on if he’ll be a guy they’re going to want to exercise that option on, and if he is then an extension is probably immediately following. Also if more and more qbs are getting that insolated contract in terms of big money, what’s to prevent AR from doing the same if the performance barrier of entry is mid level and not high level?? I understand in theory moving down to kyler + to capitalize on the hype rn but I don’t think that’s happening in the streets. Someone w Purdy/Love also might value their guy at the same level or higher than AR because ‘he was hurt last year and hasn’t shown it yet’ you can tell them their valuation is off but that doesn’t get a trade done…
AR15 + Kittle was traded for Josh Allen in my league. I bout fell out of my damn chair and spit my drink out when I saw that. Anthony Richardson has played 17 actual football games since high school and had worse passing stats in college than Tim Tebow. I've been screaming from the rooftops that he's the most inexplicably over rated player I've ever seen.
@@jonathanhaven1690 yeah I’d happily sell him for that too but I’m not in leagues w guys who value him like that lol… I think the offers I’d probably get would be like JJ McCarthy + ‘25 first or maybe Jared Goff if I’m lucky
Really good discussion on contracted proven QBs vs high upside rookie contracts. My QB room took a big hit this offseason with Fields becoming mostly irrelevant and TLaw still not hitting at QB1 levels consistently. Sold Aiyuk and some FAB to get Kyler to pair with TLaw. Also have Carr and D Jones and will stash Fields for now. 10-team, Superflex, 6 pt passing TD. Still have JJ, AJB, DJM, Ridley… plus Downs, Sutton, Palmer…🤞
Reassured my choice to sell Diggs for an early 2nd in at 12T SF dynasty league.. got some stick for it but i didnt undertand why as i needed a QB (Mahomes, Stafford) and managed to come up and get Nix mid draft
Just sold Mike Evan’s for Henry, my rbs were zamir and Conner, so i needed one, but my WRs are chase, London, Deebo, Dionte, jakobi, so I felt safe there
U can't judge a player by pre season. Remember when jamaar chase couldn't catch an nfl football and everyone panicked? I drafted him in round 10 his rookie year and he's gonna be a keeper of mine for years.
If you’re referring to Anthony Richardson - there’s much more evidence than pre-season that he struggles consistently passing. Primarily his entire collegiate career and his NFL Starts in 2023 🙏🏼
@aldennis123 I didn't even send the offer myself. Terry could pop, who knows. But ya I feel like I got a good deal even though I'm a contendingish team. 250 per year league.
I picked at the 1.03 and my league mates foolishly let me draft, Mahomes, AR, Marvin Harrison, and Brandon Aiyuk in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds. I think thats pretty good value taking AR at that spot right?
Also what’s the take on Kirk cousins no one talking about his fantasy relevance last season and that Atlanta just signed another QB. Bounce back from the acl even possible for the $110m contract?
The upside for AR is too much for me to pass up. No one in my league would pay a 1st for him at the moment. If he finishes as QB (he easily could do) I'll be getting big offers.
I look at Richardson like this: if Daniels and A-rich both went in the 24 draft and were both rookies (which a-rich effectively is) who would go earlier in fantasy and the real nfl draft? It would be Daniels. Similar rushing upside but Daniels is a better passer. Sure he’s smaller but a-rich is massive. And at cost I’d rather have Daniels over a rich. (Especially in redraft) but also at start up ADP. Such a high risk start up pick when you can take a more establish QB1 then come back in round 2 and grab Daniels instead. Or you could take someone like CD/Bijan/Chase and go risky with JD in round 2 and lock in that rushing upside. Pass on a-rich for me at cost.
People are seriously over valuing daniels rushing upside, u don't want that guy running, if he's running he turns into rg3 and is out in 3 years .....he's too small to run much , a rich is built to run for 8+ years...he has more rushing upside epically tds
@@philcapenmsgamingsports yeah I’m sure the commanders aren’t going to run him…at all 🤦🏻♂️ he’s also not that small. Bigger than Kyler with incredibly similar rushing traits. Do we dislike Kyler running? C’mon now. Daniels doesn’t need to be a designed run beast like Allen between the tackles to rack up 600-800 yards and 3-5 scores on the ground hardly getting hit. Even Lamar picks his spots and we love his rushing upside. He’s actually never been injured on a rushing play. No reason Daniels can’t be budget Lamar. Point still stands though. If you’re going to treat a-rich like an RB he’s going to be banged up early and often.
@brett4932 nobody said at all, every qb runs now, if u wanna project kyler stats sure that sounds reasonable most project more than 400 to 500 yards rushing , sure his first season could be like kylers 2nd season with around 800 or so, and he will prob get a major injury soon like kyler did .
@@philcapenmsgamingsports Kyler’s injury was a non contact ACL. Could literally happen you while you walk from your toilet to your ford fiesta and any nfl player at any time.
Tyjae had 52 receptions and split work with Derrick Henry who is waaaay better than Pollard. He also passed the eye test. I agree he was over priced at RB14 this offseason, but 18-20 seems about right.
I keep trying, but nobody wants to buy him. Everybody was drafting him like crazy off-season but now after his preseason game and training camp , people are overreacting and don’t want him.
i think A Rich is an underrated as a passer in the preseason game with the starters he realistically only missed one pass but he showed great mechanics. plus the int was not his fault
Against backups, we already have tape on him from 2023. He's Lamar 2.0, and lamar is a run 1st QB. Run 1st QBs don't win super bowls, they win fantasy football titles, and they play in the league 6 to 8 years max. And they never ever ever produce a WR1 because they can't pass.😂
@@DynastyLandFootball it was up and down on the rpo slant he showed perfect mechanics and a great read and some of the throws were insane but yeah at the same time he’s so raw it’s almost impossible to project. Dynasty wise he’s great but short term he might be a liability
Nope, I can’t agree with Corey and Danny on the Nico Collins take at his cost in dynasty. Tank Dell is a Stroud guy, and it’s range of outcomes where each guy would have individual weeks where they boom or bust. I love Tank Dell better at his cost with his price bc everyone has forgotten before Dell’s leg injury he was beating Nico out doing last season.
I'm with you on Spears, Zach. It's like any job in the world, and the NFL is no different. New staff, new people, and they want their guys. Pollard got paid and is their guy, no matter how talented Spears is. Pollard will get the work and is a great value. This is where the real-life NFL decisions override fantasy football.
Canales was a horrible play caller and a really good QB coach. Horribly vanilla play calling with no motion, no mismatching and a stubborn, yet predictable commitment to the run. Bucs will go up this year without him with a McVay tree OC in Cohen.
He’s going within 1-3 picks of Burrow. In the only league I got Burrow, Richardson was taken 1.07 I took Burrow 1.08. They are the same value right now which is the point.
Sorry guys but this is my least favorite attempt at content. Just pulling up KTC and saying “You can get X for Y” isn’t how anyone’s league works. There is context and the argument that someone’s value isn’t going up is kind of silly too. Diggs or Evans in a down year may have more yards than Jamo or Legette ever do. Just because a player is younger doesn’t make them better assets. It’s true that Diggs will be worth less next year than he is now, but Jamo could be dirt. This just sort of turns into “I would rather have X”, which is kind of subjective and boring. Instead, set some parameters, focus on positions and just ask who you think will disappoint based off ADP. Then if you want to talk about 31 year old receivers in the context of their value going down your audience isn’t thinking “duh”. The whole “who would you sell” without context of someone’s league is just kind of a boring, tired concept. It’s been done, it’s never been entertaining.
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I've desperately try to sell AR for months and can't find any takers. There's a big difference between KTC value and what you can actually get for him.
Same. I’ve tried all summer. Nothing.
For sure, not every league is going to value a player the same.
What league are you two in I was trying to get AR and was giving up Jayden Daniels and Will Levis for it, dude didn’t accept the trade though
AR15 + Kittle was traded for Josh Allen in my league. I bout fell out of my damn chair and spit my drink out when I saw that. Anthony Richardson has played 17 actual football games since high school and had worse passing stats in college than Tim Tebow. I've been screaming from the rooftops that he's the most inexplicably over rated player I've ever seen.
I didn't have to se him someone did it for me... sold ARich and Pickens for Stroud and Shakir
‘CRIMINALLY UNDERVALUED’ for Rashee is crazy
Vroom vroom
Worthy, kelce, Hollywood… it’s going to be a shit show.
The only problem I have with the Diggs is that the drop off had to do with the Oc change mid season and they ran the ball more after that, I think in the Houston Texans pass heavy offense Diggs will be fine for this year
Talking about AR not having contract insolation is effing crazy when during draft szn there’s so much talk about teams potentially trading into the end of the first to grab a 5th year option on a qb…
It’s clearly valuable and there’s a competitive advantage to building around a cheaper qb (reasons for insolation) we’ll be able to read the room on if he’ll be a guy they’re going to want to exercise that option on, and if he is then an extension is probably immediately following. Also if more and more qbs are getting that insolated contract in terms of big money, what’s to prevent AR from doing the same if the performance barrier of entry is mid level and not high level?? I understand in theory moving down to kyler + to capitalize on the hype rn but I don’t think that’s happening in the streets. Someone w Purdy/Love also might value their guy at the same level or higher than AR because ‘he was hurt last year and hasn’t shown it yet’ you can tell them their valuation is off but that doesn’t get a trade done…
AR15 + Kittle was traded for Josh Allen in my league. I bout fell out of my damn chair and spit my drink out when I saw that. Anthony Richardson has played 17 actual football games since high school and had worse passing stats in college than Tim Tebow. I've been screaming from the rooftops that he's the most inexplicably over rated player I've ever seen.
@@jonathanhaven1690 yeah I’d happily sell him for that too but I’m not in leagues w guys who value him like that lol… I think the offers I’d probably get would be like JJ McCarthy + ‘25 first or maybe Jared Goff if I’m lucky
@@calvinwood7120 JJ McCarthy + a 1st for AR15 is a smash sell for me.
Really good discussion on contracted proven QBs vs high upside rookie contracts. My QB room took a big hit this offseason with Fields becoming mostly irrelevant and TLaw still not hitting at QB1 levels consistently. Sold Aiyuk and some FAB to get Kyler to pair with TLaw. Also have Carr and D Jones and will stash Fields for now. 10-team, Superflex, 6 pt passing TD. Still have JJ, AJB, DJM, Ridley… plus Downs, Sutton, Palmer…🤞
W
Good calls on these trades in current time
Reassured my choice to sell Diggs for an early 2nd in at 12T SF dynasty league.. got some stick for it but i didnt undertand why as i needed a QB (Mahomes, Stafford) and managed to come up and get Nix mid draft
Dynasty superflex Half ppr. Traded kincaid, evans, and Spears for Hockenson, Ettiene, penix and a 2025 3rd.
What about in 4pt per passing TD leagues? On a competing roster with Lamar and ARich would you still tier down with Arich?
in a 12T SF TEP (2.5 points/catch) ARich for Bowers plus for what pick would you sell AR? I have only Ferguson and 3 other QBs.
I sold Evans And Dell for Aiyuk and Legette. Half PPR SF start 9 evans was my WR4 behind JJ CD and GW
Overall I like it
Just sold Mike Evan’s for Henry, my rbs were zamir and Conner, so i needed one, but my WRs are chase, London, Deebo, Dionte, jakobi, so I felt safe there
If healthy Henry may score 20+ TDs this year.
I sold ARich 6 months ago, once I found out how over-valued he was by the community.
I got ARSB for him straight up in 12 team SF league. I'm happy!
Are we talking about actual 2nd round picks for next season, or 2nd round players
I was forced to take AR at the 2.03 in my startup. no one would trade up and I watched Herbert fall and fall 😢
Good for you. Let’s see how you feel mid season.
It happens!
U can't judge a player by pre season. Remember when jamaar chase couldn't catch an nfl football and everyone panicked? I drafted him in round 10 his rookie year and he's gonna be a keeper of mine for years.
If you’re referring to Anthony Richardson - there’s much more evidence than pre-season that he struggles consistently passing.
Primarily his entire collegiate career and his NFL Starts in 2023 🙏🏼
Sold Chase Brown and a 2025 2nd for a 2026 first and 2025 3rd… it hurt, but I feel like I just need to take the value.
W
I sold Scary Terry for Cooks a 25 1st and a 26 1st in my 16 team dynasty PPR!
You sold Terry for 2x 1sts and Cooks? Are your league mates brain dead? Serious question.
@aldennis123 I didn't even send the offer myself. Terry could pop, who knows. But ya I feel like I got a good deal even though I'm a contendingish team. 250 per year league.
HOW?
@@MuscleMTG sheesh.. good deal? Those are the types of deals that get vetoed when vetoes aren’t allowed in leagues lol
@@DynastyLandFootball full disclosure.... I did send over a 2027 3rd rounder as well... but that's it I promise!
I picked at the 1.03 and my league mates foolishly let me draft, Mahomes, AR, Marvin Harrison, and Brandon Aiyuk in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds.
I think thats pretty good value taking AR at that spot right?
Yeah that’s not bad for sure
Also what’s the take on Kirk cousins no one talking about his fantasy relevance last season and that Atlanta just signed another QB. Bounce back from the acl even possible for the $110m contract?
The upside for AR is too much for me to pass up. No one in my league would pay a 1st for him at the moment. If he finishes as QB (he easily could do) I'll be getting big offers.
Every player is a hold if you don’t get the right value so I can respect it!
2026 1st (should be mid-late) for Aaron Jones, 2025 2nd (Early), & 2025 3rd (Late)
Who Wins?
And everyone hated me on for selling Tony P last offseason for 1.12 and 2.01
W
The dynasty domain guys seem surprisingly tall.
I’m like 6’6 so they’re very very tall tbh
I’m assuming this was recorded before the Dotson trade came out. Are they still selling Scary Terry at the same price talked about here?
I don’t think Dotson would sway their opinion personally
I look at Richardson like this: if Daniels and A-rich both went in the 24 draft and were both rookies (which a-rich effectively is) who would go earlier in fantasy and the real nfl draft? It would be Daniels. Similar rushing upside but Daniels is a better passer. Sure he’s smaller but a-rich is massive.
And at cost I’d rather have Daniels over a rich. (Especially in redraft) but also at start up ADP. Such a high risk start up pick when you can take a more establish QB1 then come back in round 2 and grab Daniels instead. Or you could take someone like CD/Bijan/Chase and go risky with JD in round 2 and lock in that rushing upside. Pass on a-rich for me at cost.
This is something Zach has been preaching all offseason. I haven’t understood the vast gap in value between the 2!
People are seriously over valuing daniels rushing upside, u don't want that guy running, if he's running he turns into rg3 and is out in 3 years .....he's too small to run much , a rich is built to run for 8+ years...he has more rushing upside epically tds
@@philcapenmsgamingsports yeah I’m sure the commanders aren’t going to run him…at all 🤦🏻♂️ he’s also not that small. Bigger than Kyler with incredibly similar rushing traits. Do we dislike Kyler running? C’mon now. Daniels doesn’t need to be a designed run beast like Allen between the tackles to rack up 600-800 yards and 3-5 scores on the ground hardly getting hit. Even Lamar picks his spots and we love his rushing upside. He’s actually never been injured on a rushing play. No reason Daniels can’t be budget Lamar.
Point still stands though. If you’re going to treat a-rich like an RB he’s going to be banged up early and often.
@brett4932 nobody said at all, every qb runs now, if u wanna project kyler stats sure that sounds reasonable most project more than 400 to 500 yards rushing , sure his first season could be like kylers 2nd season with around 800 or so, and he will prob get a major injury soon like kyler did .
@@philcapenmsgamingsports Kyler’s injury was a non contact ACL. Could literally happen you while you walk from your toilet to your ford fiesta and any nfl player at any time.
These crossovers are better than Marvel's
Big love
Tyjae had 52 receptions and split work with Derrick Henry who is waaaay better than Pollard. He also passed the eye test. I agree he was over priced at RB14 this offseason, but 18-20 seems about right.
52 Receptions while playing with a RB who’s never been a focus in the passing game. Tony Pollard has always been a focus on the passing game.
Dealt AR for Kyler and a 2nd
Good looks! I don’t think them saying kyler/love/purdy and a 1st would ever be happening
Did you try a pick swap? Feel like AR and a 2nd should get you Kyler and a 1st. The AR truthers seem willing to pay.
@@TonyJBroni don’t think that’s realistic
Love that!
What a W
Im rebuilding, sold terry and evans to a contender for pickens and a 2025 2nd
Huge W
I traded away diggs for Brian Thomas a 25 second and a 26 first
I keep trying, but nobody wants to buy him. Everybody was drafting him like crazy off-season but now after his preseason game and training camp , people are overreacting and don’t want him.
i think A Rich is an underrated as a passer in the preseason game with the starters he realistically only missed one pass but he showed great mechanics. plus the int was not his fault
Against backups, we already have tape on him from 2023. He's Lamar 2.0, and lamar is a run 1st QB. Run 1st QBs don't win super bowls, they win fantasy football titles, and they play in the league 6 to 8 years max. And they never ever ever produce a WR1 because they can't pass.😂
Anthony Richardson who since Highschool has only played in 17 football games. He's a genetic freak but he's not a QB. He's a TE
NGL those mechanics looked CLUNKY to me but I’ve been very wrong before!!
@@brentmichael4770Lamar is a great QB that can pass though…league MVP, why are people so dumb?
@@DynastyLandFootball it was up and down on the rpo slant he showed perfect mechanics and a great read and some of the throws were insane but yeah at the same time he’s so raw it’s almost impossible to project. Dynasty wise he’s great but short term he might be a liability
SF. Would you sell AR for puka?
I’d need more in return in SFLX
Nope, I can’t agree with Corey and Danny on the Nico Collins take at his cost in dynasty. Tank Dell is a Stroud guy, and it’s range of outcomes where each guy would have individual weeks where they boom or bust. I love Tank Dell better at his cost with his price bc everyone has forgotten before Dell’s leg injury he was beating Nico out doing last season.
Can respect the take!
Zach still thinks you should get kendre miller instead of tyjae
Nah Treylon Burks
I'm with you on Spears, Zach. It's like any job in the world, and the NFL is no different. New staff, new people, and they want their guys. Pollard got paid and is their guy, no matter how talented Spears is. Pollard will get the work and is a great value. This is where the real-life NFL decisions override fantasy football.
YKB my friend
I’ll buy your share(s) of AR.
Sell AR is the worst take I’ve ever seen
Ever?
@@DynastyLandFootball maybe
Canales was a horrible play caller and a really good QB coach. Horribly vanilla play calling with no motion, no mismatching and a stubborn, yet predictable commitment to the run. Bucs will go up this year without him with a McVay tree OC in Cohen.
huge surprise none of these guys know how to dress themselves
What league is Richardson going over burrow😂
Almost every league
He’s going within 1-3 picks of Burrow. In the only league I got Burrow, Richardson was taken 1.07 I took Burrow 1.08. They are the same value right now which is the point.
Quite a few my friend
Both start ups I’ve done this season burrow was 1.06 & Richardson was 1.12
do too like tony pollard
A 2nd and Evans for a random 1st lol gtfo
It’s okay to have a different opinion than someone else my dude 🙏🏼
AR is ass. JD5 is the money maker
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Sorry guys but this is my least favorite attempt at content. Just pulling up KTC and saying “You can get X for Y” isn’t how anyone’s league works. There is context and the argument that someone’s value isn’t going up is kind of silly too. Diggs or Evans in a down year may have more yards than Jamo or Legette ever do. Just because a player is younger doesn’t make them better assets. It’s true that Diggs will be worth less next year than he is now, but Jamo could be dirt. This just sort of turns into “I would rather have X”, which is kind of subjective and boring. Instead, set some parameters, focus on positions and just ask who you think will disappoint based off ADP. Then if you want to talk about 31 year old receivers in the context of their value going down your audience isn’t thinking “duh”. The whole “who would you sell” without context of someone’s league is just kind of a boring, tired concept. It’s been done, it’s never been entertaining.