My book, "Mud Puzzles" talks a lot about the ancient trade routes of the ancient Southwest. It is available on my website at ancientpottery.how/product/book-mud-puzzles/
I think this topic is way under-emphasized by most of the literature I've seen about the region's history. I really appreciate the way you continue to give it the credit it's due.
No doubt that there were extensive trade networks. I live in south Louisiana and the nearest minerals usable for making knives, arrowheads, and other sharp implements are hundreds of miles away. However, they were abundant enough that Native Americans must not have thought much of losing them because you could easily find arrowheads in stream banks and other areas up until the time my dad was a teenager. No doubt there was tons of flint being brought to south Louisiana.
That's a great point. I have lived in south Louisiana but I never thought about where they got their lithic material. The prehistoric trade networks of North America have been vastly under appreciated.
The obsidian trail being another great example of these networks. The trade roads leaving Chaco Canyon like the spokes of a wagon wheel... I finde Utah agates out here in New Mexico, and also material from Texas and Az. Also some of these materials are in 10,000 year old Folsom camps, and some of them are in The 200-700 year old native american sites I have visited. So the Folsom and Clovis had most likely alread engineered these trade routes thousands of years ago.
At 8:00 I see the trader has what looks maybe like bells? attached to his knees and wrist and other clothing. This might be so cool to announce the arrival of this travelling salesman! I can see folks rushing out to meet him for news and a look at his wares.
Carry heavy pottery for mile after mile across a barren dry hilly landscape must have been arduous as well as dangerous! Great video, I have often wanted to know how they did it!
It wasn't dry and barron, until after the overgrazing of the early 1900's that led to the dust bowl, according to Columbus it was lush land with many recources!
How about Great Lakes copper on the Gulf Coast? And Lightening Whelk and conch shells in Nebraska? Tobacco out west and obsidian in the east. The ancients got around. In around 1250 or so, there was a period of global cooling that completely changed the weather. Too little or too much rain caused crop failure which caused famine, which led to war with the neighbors for food. Very good video. I did not know about a social caste of traders in the southwest, but it does make rather logical sense.
There are pictures dating back of people carrying a massive amount of pottery with the tumpline so that it almost reaches twice their height and girth. And, all while walking about a mountain. I never thought I would see this recreated on RUclips. Cheers to your channel and its honoring of indigenous culture.
I remember hearing a story when i was a kid about the trade routes. A local elder in the interior desert of British Columbia Canada told stories of going on a trade trip when he was very small. They took what they called white flint (chirt) south, into the desert plains of the northern southwest, trading for things with other nations. They were gone 2 winters and came home with many rare things that they used for an enriched life
Oh man, this channel is right up my alley. The Ancient America shout-out! That's an incredible story. Unfortunately, I went through my primitive pottery stage about four years ago. I could have really used this channel! Unfortunately, southern Ontario has mostly blue clay, and not a lot of other exotic minerals. But I will try again!
Good video! I have to say,... these ideas that you analyze here are the same things I have theorized about for many years! If one person left one village and taken info and advanced tools, and brings back info and advanced tools. Within 3 days every village would have all of the news from coast to coast and all would have access to new and improved technologies, simply by sending messengers both ways every day... This made it impossible to lie to eachother, because they were not only face to face, but also they were relying on the truth to improve their lives. I am hoping to witness the spirit of this face to face sharing of info at the kiln conference,.... I am really working hard to make it so I hope to see you there! Great work! Great tone! National geographic level of quality, if not better!
Nice video. One thing though: in the future, do not ignore the California cultures. Seashell beads and soapstone pendants and some of the finest basketry in the world were made along the coast. In addition there steatite vessels being made on Catalina Island, and the Chumash and Tongva peoples made well crafted ocean going canoes using some of the same techniques for shipbuilding that Vikings used.
I'm sure I could go on forever with the different trade networks that existed in ancient North America. My focus however was pottery related trade in my area so of course California cultures fall outside of that. But yes, they were/are amazing cultures worthy of study and understanding. Thanks
Great video. Years ago I took a "Plains Literature" course at KU, where it was noted that "little men" (monkeys) were depicted in some North American Indian art, revealing their travels to places like northern Mexico.
Wow, I've never heard of monkeys, that's cool. The Mimbres painted a lot of fish on their pottery and the Mimbres River is pretty small, more like a creek. So some fish scientist (no idea what the term would be) studied the paintings and tried to identify the fish depicted on Mimbres pottery. Many of the fish species were ocean fish that exist only far south in Mexico which seems to indicate that these same women who were making the pottery were traveling far to the south on trading expeditions.
@@AncientPottery I'm inclined to revise my original thought; in that it may have been that monkeys ("little men") were part of the Natives' story telling traditions that recalled encountering monkeys when traveling south. That makes more sense given my source being a literature course. Either way it's evidence they were on the go. But if anyone knows of any monkeys depicted on prehistoric Native American pottery, would love to see examples if there are any. :)
Love your basket! I never thought about a tribe that specialized in trade. I just assumed that each tribe had individuals who specialized in trade. But that does make sense. Thanks for the video🐝🤗❤️
GREAT 👍 video, Andy. Enjoyed this topic of traders, burden baskets. I’ve got pottery sherds from private property and sometimes I’m wondering if they were traded pots, made on-site or nearby. It’s fascinating.
Archaeologists can often determine is a sherd was local or traded and sometimes even how far it traveled. It is all very interesting. In some areas most of the pottery was traded from over 100 miles away, check this one out ruclips.net/video/heXv7cSLNG4/видео.html
You should put support to the bottom of that basket. If you go back to some of the pictures you displayed of old drawings, you will notice that rope was also coming from the bottom of the baskets. Evidence may have been mistaken for baby carriers.
The man who made my basket attaches his with a rope around it like I did and he suggested that this was the best way. So just following the manufacturer’s recommendations.
My Army Duffle bag weighed about 80 pounds when fully packed. I bet the traveling traders Did carry about that 80 pounds in those baskets. They look about the same size as a duffle bag.
Sure those traders may have carried heavy loads but I can be a little more selective about the weight. When I was in the hotshots out packs were usually around 40 pounds. That seems more reasonable to me.
@@AncientPottery definitely more reasonable, and I don't blame you. 40 pounds is what our backpacks weighed when fully packed. That is a Much more reasonable weight for a hike.
@@AncientPottery If the large round jar shown at 7:17 could hold five gallons? (totally guessing, I can't tell spherical volume well) then it would weigh 40 pounds of water weight, besides the jar and frame. Wouldn't it? My math may be off. But the conical basket/frame and the spherical jar seem made to go well together.
This is a fantastic video. I literally have been looking for a video like this because my girlfriend and I were arguing about how much the modern Mexican and American lands were separated by the desert. I have been proven wrong, which is rare for us talking about anthropology, but I am much more happy I have a more complete knowledge about trade and specific examples. Unrelated but of course I love ceramics, and all the other videos about how to make clay, the unique types of motifs, firepit kilns, even tips for beginners! I really really really love this channel thank you so much.
Hey there! I just discovered your channel and it’s absolutely amazing! All of your videos are super informative and your passion really shows! I wanted to ask a couple of questions, the reason I found your channel is I’m making a video recreating a piece from a work of fiction, it’s a Japanese vase. I see your main interest is not Asian pottery but still would like to ask if you could share any knowledge about the topic. My second question is regarding the paint, should you paint before firing even if it’s a complex design? Won’t it damage the paint? Thank you so much for your videos!
Thanks. I don't know anything about Japanese ceramics. Here in the American Southwest pottery is almost always decorated before firing, that way the paint will becomes hard and permanent in the firing just like the clay does.
I think the middle of the basket should hit the hump of your back, so higher than your opinion. I think it makes it easier if it won't spill. Always love your vids!👍🏼
Um, the lacing you installed to keep the rope in place? That's sewing. It just struck me as funny that you said you were avoiding sewing and immediately sewed in the rope. The button attachment you used was the better choice as sewing cloth to rope is a bear but it was pretty funny. Cool video. Thanks!
And I'm dreading an upcoming show an hour and a half away with a pickup truck. Hardly a burden by comparison. Great history, the pots too a lot to think about. Like were the pots empty or carrying another product.
At 7:17 the baskets supported by poles beside the three ladies sitting on the ground are just fascinating! I can't figure out how they work, but I'm gonna guess. I see a strap hanging under a basket, so that implies -the front is the lower side- of that conical basket. (Wrong! See edit.) So maybe while it's being carried, the basket is actually level, not sloped. I see two crossed poles and one support pole at the back of the basket, but I can't see how they're attached. I'm wondering if they are attached or if the basket is just leaning on them somehow. *Edit: Looking closer, and comparing to the photo at **4:16**, I see the long crossed poles would be against the woman's back. They create the flat plane. The shorter poles attach at some sort of knot exactly at the crossing of the long poles' X, which implies it is a permanent frame, not collapsible. And the "easel" stick at the back forming the tripod has a U-shaped crook at the top to catch the basket edge/frame, not a hook or n-shaped thingy, so whatever I said elsewhere about that pole is probably wrong.* *The conical basket seems to be a perfect size and shape to carry the round-bodied pottery jar! Again, very easy to keep it level so whatever's inside wouldn't spill. Also, if the jar were full of water it would be very heavy so having a lower center of gravity would be very practical.* The ladies sitting on the ground is giving me some insights I hadn't thought of before. Setting a basket down on that level makes a lot more sense when your aim is to rest yourself on the ground beside it. Also the round-bottom pot is suddenly suggesting to me that if it were full of water, maybe it could be tipped over easily to pour, then set upright again without being unstable, due to the gravel and dirt supporting it. I've always been confused before why anyone would want a round-bottom pot, since on a hard surface they would be so wobbly. But for folks sitting on the ground, it might be very convenient for serving a drink without need for a dipper or ladle of any sort. So many of the shapes of pottery are beautiful but obscure in their uses to me. I'd be very interested if you made a video explaining how different shapes function for different intended uses. I'm sure the sizes and shapes of body, neck, handles, lip, and other features must have evolved over centuries to be exactly what was needed for various uses, and not just random. I'd love to know more about what they used to hold, and how they would dispense whatever they held.
Thanks for the ideas and thoughts on living on the ground. Also think about this, in the dirt a round bottom pot is easily leveled. Next week's video shows another good use for a round bottomed pot.
@@AncientPottery Easily levelled! Yes I hadn't considered that! A flat-bottom pot would be subject to any slope of the ground, but a round-bottom pot would get to stand upright as long as the dirt it is in can be dug out just a little bit to accommodate it!
The character at 8:21 is blowing my mind. It looks like an extremely pregnant woman (to the bellybutton-sticking-out stage) carrying a huge burden that goes over her head with what looks like a jackalope over it? I thought jackalopes were a modern cryptid. I can't imagine a woman that pregnant doing much travelling unless she had to, so maybe it's some legend about the baby she was to bear?
Some of those Mimbres pots are crazy, like images from mythology. So it may be fantasy, it's hard to say. I think the animal on top was a pronghorn antelope.
Aha! At 4:16 I see baskets being carried with similar frames as shown at 7:17! The long crossed poles, and the conical baskets do appear to be attached together somehow. And the burden going far over the ladies' heads is similar to other images shown on pottery in this video. The large frame is giving me an idea about the curved-top poles you mentioned that all burden-bearers carried! -What if the curved-top pole is meant to hook over the top of the carry frame to provide the tripod effect to support the basket/frame as it rests on the ground?- Also useful to hang the stick if you don't want to carry it, and also useful as a walking staff if you do want the extra support while walking especially on hills with loose gravel to navigate. Edit: Looking more carefully at those n-shaped crooks, the idea that they could be the support poles for a tripod seems unlikely. The shape wouldn't support anything. You need a Y-shaped crook to provide support. Maybe the n-shaped hooks could be handy to hang the pole from something, but it just can't work as a tripod support for the frame.
Good thoughts, thanks for sharing them. I feel you may be right, the crooked sticks had some practical application as to mounting and de-mounting the basket or something.
@@AncientPottery Mounting and de-mounting the pack! Excellent idea! Maybe the hook provided support from the front, over the woman's head, as she raised or lowered her heavy pack to her back or to the ground!
Thanks, very interesting. Perhaps I have a suspicious mind....is it possible that rather than the evidence being interpreted incorrectly, whatever doesn't fit the narrative (agreed upon consensus) is mitigated? It's just that, there are some considerable cover-ups in the "history" department. IMO
I would say that is a distinct possibility. The “narrative” guides much of what comes out of archaeology these days. Like the Anasazi cannibalism that many would rather was never mentioned or the “inclusive ideology” of the Salado.
I accidentally dropped a pot it's redish on the out side and black just under the surface is that normal or am I firing wrong, thanks for all you do great videos.
That is common in prehistoric pottery, it just means that the firing wasn't long enough to burn all of the carbon out of the clay. It's not a big deal.
My book, "Mud Puzzles" talks a lot about the ancient trade routes of the ancient Southwest. It is available on my website at ancientpottery.how/product/book-mud-puzzles/
I think this topic is way under-emphasized by most of the literature I've seen about the region's history. I really appreciate the way you continue to give it the credit it's due.
Thanks Dave. It's a subject near to my heart.
No doubt that there were extensive trade networks. I live in south Louisiana and the nearest minerals usable for making knives, arrowheads, and other sharp implements are hundreds of miles away. However, they were abundant enough that Native Americans must not have thought much of losing them because you could easily find arrowheads in stream banks and other areas up until the time my dad was a teenager. No doubt there was tons of flint being brought to south Louisiana.
That's a great point. I have lived in south Louisiana but I never thought about where they got their lithic material.
The prehistoric trade networks of North America have been vastly under appreciated.
The obsidian trail being another great example of these networks. The trade roads leaving Chaco Canyon like the spokes of a wagon wheel... I finde Utah agates out here in New Mexico, and also material from Texas and Az. Also some of these materials are in 10,000 year old Folsom camps, and some of them are in The 200-700 year old native american sites I have visited. So the Folsom and Clovis had most likely alread engineered these trade routes thousands of years ago.
At 8:00 I see the trader has what looks maybe like bells? attached to his knees and wrist and other clothing. This might be so cool to announce the arrival of this travelling salesman! I can see folks rushing out to meet him for news and a look at his wares.
Great point, like the ice cream man playing a song on his truck to get kids attention.
Absolutely love the wealth of knowledge you provide and the enthusiasm with which you do!
Thanks Zippy, I appreciate you watching and commenting on my videos.
Absolutely love ancient pottery and their patterns.
I'm enjoying your videos about southwest history and ancient pottery. Thanks for all the effort you put into making them.
Thank you, I enjoy making them, and I am glad that others like them too.
Carry heavy pottery for mile after mile across a barren dry hilly landscape must have been arduous as well as dangerous! Great video, I have often wanted to know how they did it!
Hard working folks no doubt did that job. Thanks
It wasn't dry and barron, until after the overgrazing of the early 1900's that led to the dust bowl, according to Columbus it was lush land with many recources!
Great episode and thanks for the shout out!
You’re welcome. You’re video kind of got my brain working and inspired this one.
How about Great Lakes copper on the Gulf Coast? And Lightening Whelk and conch shells in Nebraska? Tobacco out west and obsidian in the east. The ancients got around.
In around 1250 or so, there was a period of global cooling that completely changed the weather. Too little or too much rain caused crop failure which caused famine, which led to war with the neighbors for food.
Very good video. I did not know about a social caste of traders in the southwest, but it does make rather logical sense.
Modern people like to think people in the past were all ignorant, but the truth is far different. Thanks for the eastern examples.
Always enjoyable and informative !
Glad you enjoyed it
Informative, inspiring and funny! You did a great job!
Thank you so much
There are pictures dating back of people carrying a massive amount of pottery with the tumpline so that it almost reaches twice their height and girth. And, all while walking about a mountain. I never thought I would see this recreated on RUclips. Cheers to your channel and its honoring of indigenous culture.
I remember hearing a story when i was a kid about the trade routes. A local elder in the interior desert of British Columbia Canada told stories of going on a trade trip when he was very small. They took what they called white flint (chirt) south, into the desert plains of the northern southwest, trading for things with other nations. They were gone 2 winters and came home with many rare things that they used for an enriched life
Amazing story, thanks for sharing that.
Oh man, this channel is right up my alley. The Ancient America shout-out! That's an incredible story. Unfortunately, I went through my primitive pottery stage about four years ago. I could have really used this channel! Unfortunately, southern Ontario has mostly blue clay, and not a lot of other exotic minerals. But I will try again!
Well you can always order minerals on the internet. Thanks
Good video! I have to say,... these ideas that you analyze here are the same things I have theorized about for many years! If one person left one village and taken info and advanced tools, and brings back info and advanced tools. Within 3 days every village would have all of the news from coast to coast and all would have access to new and improved technologies, simply by sending messengers both ways every day... This made it impossible to lie to eachother, because they were not only face to face, but also they were relying on the truth to improve their lives. I am hoping to witness the spirit of this face to face sharing of info at the kiln conference,.... I am really working hard to make it so I hope to see you there! Great work! Great tone! National geographic level of quality, if not better!
Thanks Mark, I really appreciate it. That is really the best part of the conference, talking to and meeting other potters, I hope you can make it.
Nice video. One thing though: in the future, do not ignore the California cultures. Seashell beads and soapstone pendants and some of the finest basketry in the world were made along the coast. In addition there steatite vessels being made on Catalina Island, and the Chumash and Tongva peoples made well crafted ocean going canoes using some of the same techniques for shipbuilding that Vikings used.
I'm sure I could go on forever with the different trade networks that existed in ancient North America. My focus however was pottery related trade in my area so of course California cultures fall outside of that. But yes, they were/are amazing cultures worthy of study and understanding. Thanks
Great video. Years ago I took a "Plains Literature" course at KU, where it was noted that "little men" (monkeys) were depicted in some North American Indian art, revealing their travels to places like northern Mexico.
Wow, I've never heard of monkeys, that's cool. The Mimbres painted a lot of fish on their pottery and the Mimbres River is pretty small, more like a creek. So some fish scientist (no idea what the term would be) studied the paintings and tried to identify the fish depicted on Mimbres pottery. Many of the fish species were ocean fish that exist only far south in Mexico which seems to indicate that these same women who were making the pottery were traveling far to the south on trading expeditions.
@@AncientPottery I'm inclined to revise my original thought; in that it may have been that monkeys ("little men") were part of the Natives' story telling traditions that recalled encountering monkeys when traveling south. That makes more sense given my source being a literature course. Either way it's evidence they were on the go. But if anyone knows of any monkeys depicted on prehistoric Native American pottery, would love to see examples if there are any. :)
Love your basket! I never thought about a tribe that specialized in trade. I just assumed that each tribe had individuals who specialized in trade. But that does make sense. Thanks for the video🐝🤗❤️
Who really knows, it's just speculation, but it's fun to try to imagine what things were like back in those days. Thanks for watching.
@@AncientPottery You’re welcome! I always enjoy it🐝🤗❤️
What a great episode. Thank you Andy. You're a true inspiration.
Thanks
GREAT 👍 video, Andy. Enjoyed this topic of traders, burden baskets. I’ve got pottery sherds from private property and sometimes I’m wondering if they were traded pots, made on-site or nearby. It’s fascinating.
Archaeologists can often determine is a sherd was local or traded and sometimes even how far it traveled. It is all very interesting. In some areas most of the pottery was traded from over 100 miles away, check this one out ruclips.net/video/heXv7cSLNG4/видео.html
Great historic info, Love your channel
Much appreciated
Well written and researched. Thanks
You're welcome.
👍 I love this videos about history.
Thanks!
You should put support to the bottom of that basket. If you go back to some of the pictures you displayed of old drawings, you will notice that rope was also coming from the bottom of the baskets.
Evidence may have been mistaken for baby carriers.
The man who made my basket attaches his with a rope around it like I did and he suggested that this was the best way. So just following the manufacturer’s recommendations.
My Army Duffle bag weighed about 80 pounds when fully packed. I bet the traveling traders Did carry about that 80 pounds in those baskets. They look about the same size as a duffle bag.
Sure those traders may have carried heavy loads but I can be a little more selective about the weight. When I was in the hotshots out packs were usually around 40 pounds. That seems more reasonable to me.
@@AncientPottery definitely more reasonable, and I don't blame you. 40 pounds is what our backpacks weighed when fully packed. That is a Much more reasonable weight for a hike.
@@AncientPottery If the large round jar shown at 7:17 could hold five gallons? (totally guessing, I can't tell spherical volume well) then it would weigh 40 pounds of water weight, besides the jar and frame. Wouldn't it? My math may be off. But the conical basket/frame and the spherical jar seem made to go well together.
@@Marialla. yes perhaps so.
I have a burden basket made by the TaraHumara people...a simple frame with rawhide weaving....works well
That's awesome.
Those sticks inside re for tying your straps to. In Thailand they still make similar baskets.
That's cool, thanks!
This is a fantastic video. I literally have been looking for a video like this because my girlfriend and I were arguing about how much the modern Mexican and American lands were separated by the desert. I have been proven wrong, which is rare for us talking about anthropology, but I am much more happy I have a more complete knowledge about trade and specific examples.
Unrelated but of course I love ceramics, and all the other videos about how to make clay, the unique types of motifs, firepit kilns, even tips for beginners! I really really really love this channel thank you so much.
Glad I could help your girlfriend win the argument. And glad you are enjoying my content. May I say I love your cleaning products.
Hey there! I just discovered your channel and it’s absolutely amazing! All of your videos are super informative and your passion really shows! I wanted to ask a couple of questions, the reason I found your channel is I’m making a video recreating a piece from a work of fiction, it’s a Japanese vase.
I see your main interest is not Asian pottery but still would like to ask if you could share any knowledge about the topic.
My second question is regarding the paint, should you paint before firing even if it’s a complex design? Won’t it damage the paint?
Thank you so much for your videos!
Thanks. I don't know anything about Japanese ceramics. Here in the American Southwest pottery is almost always decorated before firing, that way the paint will becomes hard and permanent in the firing just like the clay does.
In southwest nm they made literal tons of hand axe's I'm sure part for trade .
Cool
Cool video thanks for the Link
No problem 👍
I think the middle of the basket should hit the hump of your back, so higher than your opinion. I think it makes it easier if it won't spill.
Always love your vids!👍🏼
Thanks
Nice
Um, the lacing you installed to keep the rope in place? That's sewing.
It just struck me as funny that you said you were avoiding sewing and immediately sewed in the rope. The button attachment you used was the better choice as sewing cloth to rope is a bear but it was pretty funny.
Cool video. Thanks!
I ran the cord through the basket and tied a knot. Maybe that’s technically sewing to you but it’s really not.
And I'm dreading an upcoming show an hour and a half away with a pickup truck. Hardly a burden by comparison. Great history, the pots too a lot to think about. Like were the pots empty or carrying another product.
Good point. Those pots may have been full of other trade goods. Thanks.
Very informative, without the matching outfit something is missing. 😉
I'm not sure how they dressed, maybe just like me
Is it possible that perforated pookis were use to make a dotted guide line for the pots lid?
Could be
Bring that to the Kiln Conference
If I have room
At 7:17 the baskets supported by poles beside the three ladies sitting on the ground are just fascinating! I can't figure out how they work, but I'm gonna guess. I see a strap hanging under a basket, so that implies -the front is the lower side- of that conical basket. (Wrong! See edit.) So maybe while it's being carried, the basket is actually level, not sloped. I see two crossed poles and one support pole at the back of the basket, but I can't see how they're attached. I'm wondering if they are attached or if the basket is just leaning on them somehow.
*Edit: Looking closer, and comparing to the photo at **4:16**, I see the long crossed poles would be against the woman's back. They create the flat plane. The shorter poles attach at some sort of knot exactly at the crossing of the long poles' X, which implies it is a permanent frame, not collapsible. And the "easel" stick at the back forming the tripod has a U-shaped crook at the top to catch the basket edge/frame, not a hook or n-shaped thingy, so whatever I said elsewhere about that pole is probably wrong.*
*The conical basket seems to be a perfect size and shape to carry the round-bodied pottery jar! Again, very easy to keep it level so whatever's inside wouldn't spill. Also, if the jar were full of water it would be very heavy so having a lower center of gravity would be very practical.*
The ladies sitting on the ground is giving me some insights I hadn't thought of before. Setting a basket down on that level makes a lot more sense when your aim is to rest yourself on the ground beside it. Also the round-bottom pot is suddenly suggesting to me that if it were full of water, maybe it could be tipped over easily to pour, then set upright again without being unstable, due to the gravel and dirt supporting it. I've always been confused before why anyone would want a round-bottom pot, since on a hard surface they would be so wobbly. But for folks sitting on the ground, it might be very convenient for serving a drink without need for a dipper or ladle of any sort.
So many of the shapes of pottery are beautiful but obscure in their uses to me. I'd be very interested if you made a video explaining how different shapes function for different intended uses. I'm sure the sizes and shapes of body, neck, handles, lip, and other features must have evolved over centuries to be exactly what was needed for various uses, and not just random. I'd love to know more about what they used to hold, and how they would dispense whatever they held.
Thanks for the ideas and thoughts on living on the ground. Also think about this, in the dirt a round bottom pot is easily leveled. Next week's video shows another good use for a round bottomed pot.
@@AncientPottery Easily levelled! Yes I hadn't considered that! A flat-bottom pot would be subject to any slope of the ground, but a round-bottom pot would get to stand upright as long as the dirt it is in can be dug out just a little bit to accommodate it!
The character at 8:21 is blowing my mind. It looks like an extremely pregnant woman (to the bellybutton-sticking-out stage) carrying a huge burden that goes over her head with what looks like a jackalope over it? I thought jackalopes were a modern cryptid. I can't imagine a woman that pregnant doing much travelling unless she had to, so maybe it's some legend about the baby she was to bear?
Some of those Mimbres pots are crazy, like images from mythology. So it may be fantasy, it's hard to say. I think the animal on top was a pronghorn antelope.
@@AncientPottery Yes, an antelope makes more sense with the long legs. The long ears threw me!
@@Marialla. And we all know jackalopes are native to Texas, not Arizona! 😁
I would be careful researching the Mogollon culture, some secrets have been lost for a reason... mr. ward.
Mogollon NM may hold some interest to you.
You’re funny. I know more about the Mogollon than I am saying. You should read my book.
Aha! At 4:16 I see baskets being carried with similar frames as shown at 7:17! The long crossed poles, and the conical baskets do appear to be attached together somehow. And the burden going far over the ladies' heads is similar to other images shown on pottery in this video.
The large frame is giving me an idea about the curved-top poles you mentioned that all burden-bearers carried!
-What if the curved-top pole is meant to hook over the top of the carry frame to provide the tripod effect to support the basket/frame as it rests on the ground?- Also useful to hang the stick if you don't want to carry it, and also useful as a walking staff if you do want the extra support while walking especially on hills with loose gravel to navigate.
Edit: Looking more carefully at those n-shaped crooks, the idea that they could be the support poles for a tripod seems unlikely. The shape wouldn't support anything. You need a Y-shaped crook to provide support. Maybe the n-shaped hooks could be handy to hang the pole from something, but it just can't work as a tripod support for the frame.
Good thoughts, thanks for sharing them. I feel you may be right, the crooked sticks had some practical application as to mounting and de-mounting the basket or something.
@@AncientPottery Mounting and de-mounting the pack! Excellent idea! Maybe the hook provided support from the front, over the woman's head, as she raised or lowered her heavy pack to her back or to the ground!
Thanks, very interesting. Perhaps I have a suspicious mind....is it possible that rather than the evidence being interpreted incorrectly, whatever doesn't fit the narrative (agreed upon consensus) is mitigated? It's just that, there are some considerable cover-ups in the "history" department. IMO
I would say that is a distinct possibility. The “narrative” guides much of what comes out of archaeology these days. Like the Anasazi cannibalism that many would rather was never mentioned or the “inclusive ideology” of the Salado.
I accidentally dropped a pot it's redish on the out side and black just under the surface is that normal or am I firing wrong, thanks for all you do great videos.
That is common in prehistoric pottery, it just means that the firing wasn't long enough to burn all of the carbon out of the clay. It's not a big deal.
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Am I able to do this in North Idaho with the mud and rocks that I find?
Make pottery? Sure, clay is everywhere
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will wild iowa blue clay fire blue ? or turn red
Only firing will tell but it is unlikely to remain blue.
Can i get ochers or pigments from soil
Maybe, was this video about ochre?
@@AncientPottery woah, you replied so fast, and im just here to question and i didn't noticed the video
@@alexispijo5023 Its'a all good. I do have videos about ochre though.
It was seven years of severe drought that led to a slave uprising and the collapse of the southwest's untenable society.
Interesting, I don't doubt it
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