When Guns, Race and Activism Intersect, Things Get Complicated - Klepper Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Jordan and Kobi Libii discuss the surprising discoveries they made while covering two very different activist groups who use guns to get their message across.
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People always criticizing black activists about the nonviolent protest.don't have the time to be polite when my people are dying
Nonviolent? They're pretty violent actually and are taking their anger out on other citizens protesting and the police as if that's going to change anything for the better.
Please, use logic while protesting and protest against the people who have the power to change laws and actually make a difference.
@b ray You're an idiot, there's citizens killing other citizens everywhere in the world, wether its gang related or just someone getting robbed. This is against the government "police" killing unarmed people caused they feared for their lives, Lol and officer safety, Lol and getting away with it. Idiots like you that probably bitch about athletes not standing during the national anthem but don't say shit about our flag being desecrated by all law enforcement here in the USA by modifying it and putting a blue line across..
So, it's about 8,500 cops per year arrested for abuse of power and corruption. And then that's only what's known about in the US. The NRA has done nothing to fight for black American gun rights in places like Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit and these places have horrible histories of police corruption stemming from the very core of police departments. To prove their point, all they'd have to do is spend a few weekends in these areas, but they don't care. They'll say it's not systemic, but all the data is pointing to minorities and what they identity with being looked at as nothing but a threat in America and usually by the same Americans complaining about multiculturalism and how only white culture is under attack. Same race crime will always be prevalent in every culture and people in America. Look at Jonny Depp and Amber Heard. Men being scum, women lying about men being scum, etc. Look at Trump and the women coming out against him, same with Biden, they don't attack people/women of color.
got no time 😤😤😤 black people are only 18% of America but the majority in jail? 🤔🤔
@b ray That's due to socieoeconomic issues caused by systemic racism.
Where I come from a 13 year old with an AR is called a “child soldier”.
Amazing how the same people that probably think that's horrible (conservative/Christians) will send their $2 a day to "help" kids in that situation will arm their children in their own country and think it's ok. Granted they aren't injecting their kids with heroin and sending them into war but the brainwashing aspect is still the same.
I, Spartacus Do you think the majority of child soldiers are made to be that by their parents or something? Only asking because you wrote “injecting their kids”.
Mr. Devor you are pretty rude actually. I learned to shoot at a young age and I’m on the school trap team (shotgun shooting) and I nor any of my family is mentally ill. And I will carry when I can.
Xander why would you need to carry a gun when you’re not competing??
Sachin Bangaru To protect myself from potential threats
The 13-yr old kid looks like he’s struggling to regurgitate the mantra his parents shoved down his throat.
That's pretty much what all 13-year-olds do, so calm the fuck down.
@@mikagami69 it is our own choice whether to believe what our parents say I'm 13 I'm not closed-minded like my parents but there are others who choose to believe their parents and refuse to learn about the world around them.
G. Andaluz that’s true. But that’s also why most sane people don’t toss their little out of shape 13 year olds out in a street with what he thinks is maybe an ar-15. If you can’t handle the responsibility of keeping your kids body and weight healthy you and your kid probably can’t handle the responsibility of him walking around with a long range weapon.
He'll most likely be the next one on the news who ends up murdering classmates in a mass shooting.
@@mikagami69 that kid is 13, too young to have a licence to own a firearm, and therefore too young to have a license to open carry. He wasn't even sure what the weapon was that he was carrying. He admitted he'd never practised using the weapon, which means he's had no training in firearm use and safety. His parents should be imprisoned for putting him and the general public at risk and he should be removed to the care of the CPS.
Kobi's handling of this throughout was so good. His careful word choice, his way of describing the position he was in as both black man and journalist. Just so good. Really really impressed
To put it simply...most productive conversation I've seen in a very long time. I enjoyed watching two people absorbing what they were hearing without the eagerness of just wanting to say what they wanted to say. Thank you for that experience.
I enjoyed your work as a comedian, and still do - but omg, I LOVE your work as a journalist. This evolution of your work is phenomenal!
I'm watching two people dissect the situation where the reality did not fit their narrative and they found it really difficult to put the proper spin on it. if this is impressive to you then I guess you get hard for transparency?
@@michaelfromamerica2371 Projection.
Why can't regular basic cable news shows approach issues and topics like these two guys?
@@lewiespearman (they don't have an incentive to educate the populace and also to some extent they think ) people don't have the attention span.
He asked, “ Did you fear Islamic terrorism happening here?”
Well, did people fear anything happening at a concert in Vegas? Did people fear anything happening when they went to church one Sunday morning,?
Did anyone have fear of anything happening on 9/11?
You keep being s victim..I’ll be prepared!
“....where the state bird is a revolver.” 😳😳🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Actually the mockingbird. I THINK
Fun Fact: Texas state flower is armadillo anus
Ok, i thought just i alone ROFL at that one 🤣🤣🤣
@@rayneweber7636
It is actually the mockingbird.
Mockingbirds are very vocal. They attack anything that gets around their nest during the nesting season; I once saw one land on a gliding hawk and start pulling on the hawk's back feathers.
So...loud and stupidly belligerent. It's a good bird for our state.
Dudley Doleft My first boss was from Texas. An Army Captain. I have nothing but respect for that woman. She was a machine. Very hardworking, intelligent, and focused, also a bit of hothead and stubborn. She was a really good-wholesome human being. I am a liberal and she is a die hard conservative. But we were all a solid team. Outside the office we all got along pretty well too. And she took great care of her staff members up and down the chain. I truly miss her sometimes.
This is great guys, "THE NEWS "never has in depth, calm, smart discussions like this...EVER. Keep up the dialogue. NICE WORK
"The News" is just supposed to tell you the facts collected by broadcast time about something that has happened in society....."Opinion News" is talking about "The News" with their opinion and "leading" (because frankly it's a buyer's market) you the direction they want you to think about the topic.... Please be aware of the difference!
@@gsmith6595 so...basically there are no actual "news sources"...im honestly kinda fine with u knowing the difference haha
Matt...they literally presented one side and ignored the most important question.
This wasn't a news report, this was an indoctrination session to make you think a certain way. The facts they talked about were cherry-picked and there was a slight attempt at an illusion of fairness.
(Not to mention a whole whole whole bunch of unsubstantiated, un-backed-up claims)
"You're walking around like John Wick. And you want MORE rights?"
dude looked so lost when he said that haha
We are just like the police. Except... Knut's!
🤣
I was thinking what more does he want, the right to start shooting animals for fun or people or to carry the most powerful full automatics or to use grenades.
Nice
To Rakem's and Guerilla Mainframe's point: for many communities in the US, police act more as an occupying/oppressive force rather than as simple peacekeepers. In that context, it's really not all that shocking if someone is happy or celebrates harm done to their occupiers. You may think what he said is deplorable, but you probably also haven't been placed in a jail cell for no good reason, stopped, or racially profiled because of how you look.
Jordan has evolved. He's very much aware of his blind spots as a white male - and even pokes fun at it. However, he's trying and as a person of color; we NEED more allies like him. Race relations is a dialogue, not a one and done process.
Chris Anderson
What color_(Race) are you?
I'm Asian
Lol sike everybody knows this information so him saying this does what for the aa community
Chris Anderson However, racism is a monologue, as discriminatory beliefs are extensions of self-consciousness. Not a good idea to complicate things than necessary to dodge individual responsibilities.
People of minority races are so ridiculous and say things like “that’s what a white person with security would say” but if a white person said “that’s what a black gang member would say” you guys would freak out
The black experience has always been regulated to protect the feelings and ideals of whites. We are the only group that society demands to turn the other cheek.
White Americans at the top fear black Americans because they know you are superior to them in many skills and ways, so if you have real access as a whole to good education and opportunities and thus move up socially, economically politically, they will become a real minority and loose their power and priviliges and also they think they you will make them suffer.
It has always been that way in America. Jefferson was afraid of what freed slaves would lead to. The Haitian revolution scared white Americans. Jefferson imposed sanctions on Haiti because he wanted it to fail. The problem isn't that Jefferson and other individuals were cunts or that such individuals still exist. The problem is that those views are still seen as natural and understandable. Even "good" white people hold this view.
@@peaceandlove544 Exactly. We are oppressed because our oppressors' survival depends on it.
@@yomamascupoftea9459 Their survival as the powerfull elite, there is.
It is in your genes your physical and spiritual extraordinary strength to survive and excell. Other countries except in America see that clearly.
@@grisflyt Jefferson literally had a slave mistress named the Hemmings look at up truestory.
So that cop when got into the apartment and saw EVERYTHING wasn’t hers, shouldn’t that have given her a hint?
Agreed,She shouldn’t even be a greeter at Walmart ( because she would be at Target ) let alone a cop
That cop had to be drunk! The 1st thing I see on my door is 17c. Which is my apartment number. "We as a white community understand, and we will fight to keep you out of jail. America the great divider!
how did she get into an apartment that wasn't hers in the first place? was the door unlocked?
What was she on.
@@Eurisko229 High on whiteness?
"Scratches an itch in your broken masculinity."
Shots fired. Pun intended.
yes.. sadly very much on point.. :(
It's a lot of public servants that fit that description.
Kobi Libii's opinions and points are soo accurate and well explained
I'm listening like, "this wonderful man might be a damn genius!"
Now u see the big Difference between White America and Black America
@@TheRealZJE313 Already knew the difference, my friend. I'm just blown away by how well he's able to put it into words. Those kinds of explanations feel so hard to get to when you have to spend the majority of the conversation trying to keep the white person from shutting down over the "I agree with their concern, but I don't like the way they do it" thing.
Also: *White America and Non-White/Brown America. FTFY.
@@Arosukir6 it's like I told a white guy I work with( He soports the police 100 percent no matter what they do because his pops was a police officer) and with that attitude white America and Black America will never be able to come to as all Americans that soport the Constitution and equal rights for every one.
@@Arosukir6 and just look at what happened to the Central Park five how the police and DA railroaded 5 black teens and made them confess to a rape they did not commit and spent over a decade in jail.and the tactics that police used on these miners to get confession is insane then on top of that the DA was 100 percent on board.I can tell you one thing when black folks see that documentary they will have a real dis like for police and I am talking real black folks that care about black issues not yo Candace Owens and Larry Elder and others alike that are sell outs and boot licks
These guys are phenomenal and hearing this breakdown is really interesting. When I saw Guerilla mainframe in this my anxiety level was higher than the constitutional carry people and that really does highlight an unconscious bias I have and need to work on see why that is. That's why I love shows like this they expand my world view
That was an incredible amount of courage for you to admit the unconscious bias you displayed, and the fact that you admitted it means you are one step in the right direction. Keep stepping outside your comfort zone and you'll find that your comfort zone gets larger. Remember, the key to solving racism is to be uncomfortable; to step away from your zone.
puckelberry it’s so sad because I unconsciously felt the same anxiety for a split second and I am black. But then again my anxiety was high for both groups equally because I hate guns. I just hate guns period no matter who is carrying it.
Mrs. W
Do you hate guns even when police carry them?
J N I do. I’m thankful I live in a country where police don’t carry firearms (tasers and pepper spray only). I couldn’t imagine seeing firearms carried by police and normal people on a daily basis. Fk that! BTW I use firearms regularly on farms and shooting ranges. Peace.
EvilVillianInc I’m curious...what country do you live in?
I've lived in Texas my whole life and don't have an aversion to guns in anyway, and do support certain aspects of gun rights and ownership. That said, I always find myself incredibly uncomfortable when I see a person open carry. I feel like the idea of it is very idealist, I can understand the notion that it's a protected right and whatnot. But in reality, when I see a person open carry, I can't help but feel that person is paranoid or in edge about something because they're preparing for an altercation as an inevitable. When I grab my keys and my phone to leave the house every day, I can't imagine also grabbing my gun and feeling like I might need to kill someone with it today if threatened.
CL great points.
This sums it up, it's the ideal vs the emotional reality. We like to imagine that everyone's past racist impulses, and we like to imagine that everyone can carry a gun and see guns and all trust each other and relax. In reality, racism goes deep into our psychology, and the fear of guns goes deep. You want to be able to surpass those impulses, but they're there, and they're ingrained.
Hmmm. Sounds like a you issue that no one should care about.
If you're that paranoid, perhaps you should get a gun. 🤣🤣
@@OmniMale I'm not paranoid about it, I'm observant of others. You missed the whole point, I feel just fine leaving the house without a gun. It's a worry and fear I don't live with, unlike the people that feel the need to carry at all times.
@@cl20999 usual tripe from someone who's never owned a gun. I didn't miss your point. You point was stupid and nonsensical. People carry for many reasons. Yes some carry to feel strong. But then some ppl lift weights to feel strong. Or learn to box or mma. Should we ban those things as well? Some carry due to herrendous and traumatic experiences and carrying gives them a sense of security. Believe it or not some ppl carry so they can protect ppl like you. Some ppl carry just because they want to see the world burn.
You're ridiculous. We don't live in an ideal world. I personally don't like open carry as I don't like ppl knowing what I am carrying. But it's a choice that perfectly fine as long as it's don't legally. Ppl who are coming to shoot you don't walk around with their weapons holstered or in a rest position while buying coffee. It's not the gun owners fault if ppls situation awareness is not up to par. Not their fault that you all follow like sheep to feel secure.
Ppl have a right to carry. A right to protect their lives, their loved ones and even you.
No citizen should ever be bothered for acting legally.
The constitution covers the right to bear arms. It doesn't protect your feelings from being hurt or offended. So which stance trumps here? Your little feelings or our constitution?
Guerrilla Mainframe’s protest model is so effective that it derailed your intended documentary on the effectiveness of open carry as an activist tool and instead had you discussing their actual cause for 40 minutes. I would say that their protest style is very effective, to the point that guns are really secondary.
This is a great observation. Totally agreed! The abolition movement is similar in that it is also a radical and provocative rhetorical stance that prompts engagement, but in the case of abolition I think it's largely an accurate and literal descriptor too.
Maybe because the issue of open carry is already intertwined with their cause and activism?
Expvideo1, right-on!!!
Right on....
The real question is does open carry count for swords??
26:00 I wish my family and friends could understand this. I live and grew up in a very white part of Colorado. I constantly feel that tension and the sense that I’m not welcome, and my all white family and friends are so often completely oblivious to it. When I’ve tried to discuss it, they almost imply that I am imagining things, even though they are aware of my history of discrimination, and violence against me including having rocks thrown at me and being run off the road by skin heads TWICE.
I'm so sorry for what you've dealt with. Being from CO too, I have to just add that most of CO is pretty damn white. I grew up in the very northeast corner (like just outside of NE) and I kinda get the issues facing black people here (obviously not to the degree of those who experience issues daily). I was best friends with my town's only black girl in elementary school. I saw even my own family's reactions to our friendship. Eventually it led to me losing my friend (which still pains me). I was only 8 when that happened, but I still think of it often. My family put restrictions on how and when we could play together, and whether we could have sleepovers, etc. I still recall her mom telling me the last time I saw them that she felt so sorry for me, and that she knew it wasn't my fault and not to let my father's ideas of race affect my own judgement. I didn't have a friend like her again until high school. It hurt me more than I can say, and once I realized what my father had said, I dropped our relationship for nearly 10 years in sheer anger and frustration.
While I now live just outside of Boulder, as a teen, was targeted by police often in that small town. I never once got in trouble, but was constantly harassed, detained, and even once, sexually assaulted (on the street, in public, at 17) by 3 male officers. So I wonder if it is the side of me that has dealt with such violence and abuses of power along with my childhood experiences, that have shaped my perspective towards how minorities feel.
Sorry to hear this! But it's not uncommon when dealing with White family members. Which their ignorance equals for damage for their family and friends if color. They were "Gaslighting" you! It's not ok! You have a right to express and share the experience of bigotry/racism. Don't let them silence you! I believe and support you! 👌🙏💓
Emerald kat that sounds like a confusing thing to experience as a child. I remember a friend in elementary was told she wasn’t allowed to play with me anymore. No loss, as she broke my arm due to shaking the gymnastics bar I was on, as I tried to get down to give her a turn. But I still remember being shocked that she broke my arm, but yet I was the one who shouldn’t be around her. 🙄 I’m glad that you formed your own opinions rather than let your father make them for you! Cops can be the absolute worst, and I’m sorry you went through that.
ALEXX7843 they have the best of intentions and I’m not here to bad mouth them. They just don’t experience it and I think sometimes they’re so bothered with the idea that everything I encounter is real, that it’s easier to say that maybe I’m just exaggerating it to myself. But to be honest, a lot of my childhood self-hate over my race, came from the racist things my mom said, and the fact I knew zero black people to counter the negative image I got from peers and media.
My mom was raised by southern bigots, is blind, and my dad was just a short fling, not some proud love-over-
hate romance story. Last year, at 28, I finally confronted her about how her words made me ashamed to be black, and she was truly remorseful. Her comments were thoughtless and a direct result of her upbringing, and I’m glad I finally had the courage to say something.
@@katelynnehansen8115 that takes a lot of courage, I admire that :)
"Everyone knows that more guns means less shootings"
- Some parodical politician in radio in GTA V
@@Wiggyam yes... but to actually reach a point to get all that fixed will cost a fuck tonne of life, if you don't go for the guns first (at least get some regulations done! )
For the most part countries with more guns have less murders and countries with less guns have more murders. There are exceptions like Japan.
@@abram730 Citations needed. Tye murder rates depend more on the wealth of average people and political stability. Poorer countries usually have usually higher murder rates. The western countries have the lowest murder rates but among them the US has the highest number of murders per capita.
@@jokuvaan5175 do you have citation? Or are you using the one unverified"study" that was not peer reviewed and was found to be not factual?
Malcolm X: surveyed by the FBI, assassinated at the age of 39.
MLK: surveyed by the FBI, assassinated at the age of 39.
"We must stop the rise of the Black Messiah" - J Edgar Hoover (director of the FBI)
🤔 no correlation, carry on citizen!
Nothing to see here, move along.
They tried many times to quite John Lewis.
Don’t forget Chairman Fred.
They kill all our black leaders they beat killed rape our leaders that gave rise to the black panthers they didn’t stop tell all them was dead in prison or on drugs form that we got gangs now America have to deal with what they made
I really enjoy this format it takes the approach of a cable television showl. Mixes it with the long form conversation of a podcast. which I truly enjoy.
leave it to klepper to take his style of field pieces and incorporate it with podcast theme. Hes a genius.
The black dude puts his point across perfectly
@Burr Anderson yes very eloquently dear.
@@natw5040 Whoosh
The whole exercise is interesting. These guys are both eloquent and bring out interesting angles on the mad issue of guns and racism.
Great concept Jordan and Kobi!!!! Keep up the great field work! 🇺🇸💪🏿🇺🇸
I love it. I missed Kobi. The guy is totally a black Jordan in so many ways. Really great journalistic and comedic duo, lol.
Klepper is a white Kobi
Love this especially when Jordan realizes his ignorance when it came to the fact that the police have been killing, bragging and laughing about killing black people for decades and when the black guy was laughing about it he was saying welcome to our world I am not condoning the killing of anybody and I condemn it I wouldn't wish it upon anybody but that is what WE still go through in this day and age!!!
So you say Jordan but not Kobi just 'the black guy'?
@@nzsooz3884 probably didn't remember his name, I haven't watched all the video but I am pretty jordans name comes a lot and maybe Kobis doesn't 🤷♂️
@@nzsooz3884 He wasn't refering to Kobi but to the activist Kobi was interviewing who said what Chima was paraphrasing.
He don't understand someone that claims to understands 100 years of police brutality then you have to use jedi mind tricks as rationality that was to much
Eloquent, intelligent, comprehensive and empathetic... we need more of this for a strong democracy
Cj: Some people are getting killed in churches.
Jordan: Yeah, with guns.
😎
#facts!
Did you notice hin immediately cut the clip right after that comment. Im guessing because the gun owner had a better come back for his side of the debate
@@Jake-li7ih
Which would be?
@@WILSON-bc3cc idk. The best I can come up with is that if the church members were armed they could defend themselves. Not that I support open carry laws. Just trying to think of a plausible counter argument
Alexis Nunez
Higher concentration of guns do not lead to more casualties. I own a several. I rather not give an exact count to not make anyone feel uncomfortable. And have owned many of them for over 15 years. And guess what? No one has been hurt by any of them. Guess what else? No one has been hurt by my Pitbull either. If you are a responsible person, no one will get hurt on your account. Weather it be guns, dogs or traffic accidents. People kill people, not guns. I admit there is a large lack of education some gun owners, but there is a large lack of knowledge on non gun owners as well. Just because you don’t like something or agree with it, doesn’t mean it’s wrong nor should you knock it.
Kobi's perspective here is so valuable. He articulates the intricacies and nuance of these social dynamics with such detail and insight. I'm so glad he's willing to share his inner thoughts and experiences with all of us. I'm a white woman and I've grown up in a white working class community most of my life so I'm not naturally exposed to black perspectives unless I look for it. I feel more curious and challenged by this conversation. It's given me a lot to think about. Thank you for letting us see this....also thanks Jordan for being genuinely curious and emotionally authentic, I think that helped bring out some good stuff.
Wow, right at the end where Kobi sort of has to call Jordan out a little bit to make him aware of his own enculturated reactiveness, and how kindly he does it... pay Kobi more.
The power and greatness of melanin has always been feared and envied...
That’s y people tan right for color ?lol calm down there snowflake
@@realblackpilot1349 Brandon Miller Tan or chocolate is cool.. Black can be on the right person but y'all wrong about your skin being envied and some kind of super skin. Black skin repulses the sun not allowing Vit. D to be absorbed causing all kinds of diseases and deficiency. Rickets, claudation of the arteries, heart disease, diabetes. Vitamin D deficiency in African Americans is widespread,3 and deficiencies in vitamin D are indeed associated with obesity, impaired glucose metabolism, insulin resistance, and defective insulin secretion.
@@realblackpilot1349
They tan but not enough to be black genius. Just like poc always dying their hair blonde smh
@dency leadbetter It Seems your very generalized and one-sided notion of human biology and anthropology is, at best, biased, and at worst, White supremacist, in nature. You associate various diseases/disorders along race lines in obvious effort to diminish the value of melanin, specifically darker skin pigmentations. But you failed in numerous ways. For example, you failed to mention the opposite end of the human color spectrum bell curve at which the absence or even near absence of melanin (whiteness) correlates with abnormally high rates of melanoma (Lin & Fisher, 2007; etc) especially when individuals with this trait expose themselves to daylight and/or live in tropical or subtropical climates. Also, you failed to mention that non-whites tend to develop those conditions you mentioned in northern regions but not in tropical regions.
You also failed to note that many countries with majority black and brown populations have significantly lower rates of obesity than the majority white, U.S..
Also, you failed to note that correlation doesn’t not equal causation. There are multiple factors related to disease and disorder in addition to skin pigment, for example nutrition, and psychological and physiological stress, all of which are related to wealth, which in the U.S. is disparate on the basis of not only race/ethnicity but wealth rooted in a slave-based economy.
In short, your perspective is short sighted (probably in correlation to your level of wealth) and juvenile; your argument itself is racist; and your lack of empathy is savage.
Now, back to the 2A argument...
larrywize 5. It is the TYRP-1 gene that is causal in the development of blonde hair. It’s a gene that is carried by non-European people’s and it expresses en masse among darker pigmented Melanesian, Native American and Australian people.
Interestingly though, this gene is not responsible for blonde hair in Europeans. In this group, it’s a genetic mutation that is responsible for blonde-colored hair.
So when Black/Brown people choose to wear blonde hair it’s an expression of homage to their own genetic experience.
You should probably stick with the 2A debate. It’s less complicated. 😊
This was educational and very much worth watching. I've been conducting my own experiment within my community and at work with a more diverse group of people. I'm black, "scary, I know", but when I'm being myself, which is usually calm, cool, and I would say passive aggressive, everyone seems to be fine and enjoy me being non threatening in their eyes. Often that would lead me to taking some jabs I don't care to take, but at the same time to really straighten it out would be petty even by my own standards. So I decided to be a living mirror to those who needed to truly see themselves. The results was astonishing!!! I became them to them. I gave them what they would normally give me. If they talked ugly, I talked ugly back. If they gave me excessive "playful" pats on the back, I did the same. For every sly comment there was one in return. I did this for about a week and found that no one liked me or wanted to be around me much. My true friends didn't get this treatment for they are my true friends and of all races. They actually got a kick out of my "new found power". It was hard to keep up because it pulled me out of my character and I'm not normally just an asshole. (But it was kinda fun while it lasted). After I put the "mirror" away and returned to myself, I had some serious conversations with my co-workers. The blacks understood immediately. (They never were the targets for this experiment). The latinos eventually got it, and haven't been playful since, but we still speak 😂😂, occasionally. And the whites are still oblivious or pretend to be and now keep their distance. It's not that they hated me, THEY HATED THE REFLECTION OF THEMSELVES. THE POINT IS TOO SIMPLE. IF YOU DON'T WANT IT DONE TO YOU, DON'T DO IT. Respect is mutual, not earned. That has also been tested. But if you need a test drive, disrespect or treat someone like shit and see if they'll respect you for it. On another note, I can't understand how blacks are the most hated people and throughout history has done nothing to no one. (Besides themselves). We need the mirror on another level. 😢😢😢😢
Interesting experiment. Sad you felt the need to do it. I’m the type of person who has conducted many similar experiments. Just imagine how they feel when a white guy does it to a white person...they hate it too. So, in my experience it isn’t about race as much as it is about making people feel like shit about making racist comments. In some ways, they may have been more uncomfortable having it come from someone who is white.
We don’t have to be an asshole. We can still speak the truth and illuminate their ignorance without making people feel like shit. I’ve found it more effective to helping people wake up when they can’t find something to criticize in my approach. More cognitive dissonance is created with a gentle touch. They have no defense for the truth spoken with Love and tenderness.
Good luck man! and Godspeed on your journey.
@27:50
"Makes him uncomfortable"
"Not the America you grew up in"
.......AKA: They didn't have rights before, why do they have em now?
This is a recurring trend I'm seeing here - reading racial thoughts into words that don't imply them. He could just mean that in his day, no civilians (black or white) walked the streets carrying rifles and masks to prove a point.
So articulate..... The world needs to hear more of both of you.
Everything the dude on the bike said at the beginning was quickly debunked. Brilliant.
"Well, people are getting killed in churches..."
"Yeah, with guns!"
I love Klepper! He deserves his own show, hope this continues.
er.. he has his own show..
@@qwertyqwerty6099 lolz I'm sure "JELLYJIM11" was just being facetious..... facetiousadjective
US /fəˈsi·ʃəs/
not seriously meaning what you say, usually in an attempt to be humorous or to trick someone:
@@ramseysaiymeh3377 well.. lol.. in that case, he succeeded!
When I learned, that police training in the US is about 21 weeks, I was shocked! In my country it takes 3 years and most of the training is actually about understanding the responsibility that comes with the position and how to act properly in every situation. Hope the US will adapt that too
The training in the USA depends on the town or state and you can Google how many people are shot per year comparing countries and based on shots fire per kill American police are bad shots
When it happens to black ppl they get credit or murdered 🤔.. WTF!! Very dangerous words!! This was awesome & very informative, thanks guys. New sub here 👋🏽
Im glad you saw through that and commented on it. I came straight to the comments after playing that segment twice...
But in actuality, you're NOT "black" you are the original American that was told you came here from Africa "enslaved" to be a slave in your own continent (not COUNTRY - that's the corporation).
@@ameriqueindienindigene9096 What ?
@@APsupportsTerrorism:
Confused? Well, the truth has that effect on most of us that are still walking around in a haze, enjoying the matrix.
@@ameriqueindienindigene9096 Are you saying no black person got kidnapped from Africa and brought to America?
Light skinned beardless Drake making some good points.
Drake is light skin
@ Ary Costa
Drake is light skinned
Naw, that's the adult version of Jr from blackish
@@meowertwelve I think he meant mixed race, not light-skinned.
Ary Costa when you say “light skinned” and your Audience didn’t grow up hearing that word you may need to explain this word and it’s meaning to them. For the rest of audience he looks nothing like Drake he just looks like a mixed race dude sent out to a job that belongs to a Black Man.
Loved this. Always loved Klepper - always pointing out hypocrisy with humor. This highlighted Kobi Libii and he articulated views that reflect mine. Thank you Kobi for sharing your perspective.
Love this discussion.
I had to ask myself if we always expect black people to take the high road. There is deep anger and trauma in our history so why should we always be expected to do and say the right thing. It's like the rhetoric is 'we know you are being dehumanized, you can talk about it but not too loud, not too aggressive, not with any hint of anger. The morality of the situation, the sacrificial diplomacy and politics is your burden. Your protest must be palatable'.
This kind of crap is why slavery continued after the slave trade was abolished. We had to riot to be set free in Jamaica.
I'm one of those diplomatic people myself who is always careful that the message is properly packaged but I'm not going to judge.
This was amazing! Thank you for the honest discussion. Kobi really spoke to me and everything he said was SPOT ON. Thank you Jordan for being open and giving Kobi space and agency to feel how he feels and speak honestly, in his own voice with no judgement or interruption.
I love the fact that you guys go into the psychology of it, including how having a gun on you, drastically changes all interactions with people, because anything can be taken as a threat, and those talking to the person with a gun may not feel comfortable enough to say what they need/want to, for fear of violence.
Kobi: “Before I can engage with my own personal ambivalence about [the Guerrilla protest] I have, first and foremost, the work of getting white people to engage with it honestly.” I appreciate you doing that work Kobi. It helps all of us, and especially me as a white person. And clearly it helped Jordan learn too. Thank you for your hard work ❤️
I think Jordan Klepper has really come into his own brand of journalism that I think is critical to finding truth. I hope this continues!
This. This is the conversation we need to be having in every house, at every dinner table, in every office, church, and barber shop, until people finally get it. As someone said below, all heart and ears. It's brilliant.
Crazy..... how talking about doing something is more inflammatory then the Police actually doing these things to black citizens.
"other than their general training and permit"
TRAINING
The constitution doesn't necessitate training. Of course it's preferred and good..... but multiple states have already instated this... and they're doing great.
Anyone with an internet connection can get gun training lol
Also the accountability. There are certain expectations that police officers will be responsible and can be held accountable for misusing firearms. Whether that has been enforced is another issue.
@@patrickfenton1637 you literslly just deleted the first half of the amendment .. just like the nra does.
How disingenuous of you
@@dickcastle Yeah i always wonder where the "well regulated militia" part vanishes in all of the NRA's talks. And its really weird how all the gun toters and "milita members that are against tyranny" were nowhere to be seen when the police was attacking peaceful protesters on the streets and people were getting gestapoed in portland.
Kobi said it all so well! Thank you!
I feel like Kobi is trying not to be to blunt with Jordan.
There was an old episode of ‘All in the Family’ where Archie Bunker goes on TV to say that in order to stop the hijacking of commercial aircraft, the airlines should hand out pistols to every passenger when they board the flight. Then collect them upon landing.
The show obviously meant this as a joke but I bet these guys would love it.
Very intelligent, insightful examination of the piece you 2 did in Texas. I applaud your brave, honest, open discussion of the deep cultural history we as Americans have with regards to the intersecting issues of guns rights, policing, & race in this country.
This is an incredible piece of journalism. I am very happy I watched this in its entirety. Very nuanced and very very informative.
This is a classic moment of how coworkers, friends can have honest, frank moments of self expression, where there are differences of opinion and awareness.In the end each one thoughts can be respected. There is a learning curve established here. Very good video discussion...
This should be titled "Americans calmly and intelligently discuss race"
There were no conservatives to get offended.
Love this. I fell for Kobi’s badass character and strong, smart arguments watching Jordan’s last show, and I’m so glad he’s here too. Love him!
Good hard conversations to have. I appreciate the discussion and thoughts. I'm sure it was not pleasant, but I think that it served as a good model for to help others through these discussions which often run the risk of becoming irrevocably polarized. Thank you.
I'm sorry Americans but you love for unlimited guns for everyone is completely insane
Yup
Guns aren’t the issue.
The more important issue raised was how race and racism as an institution in this country plays such a vital role. The difference how 🐖 react to whites with guns vs black is case and point, incarceration, housing, education..
The Carceral state uses white supremacy effectively.
@@kongs68 if guns aren't the issue...why is the chance of being killed by a gun in the U.S. 25 times higher than in my country?
Yeah. I think we might be less gun-crazy if we didn't have so much underlying racism. White folks seem to want guns & use them to intimidate racial minorities. Ask a white guy why he needs a gun, he'll probably tell you 'for protection'. ask him 'from who?' and he'll probably respond with a racist trope. You only feel you need a gun when you're afraid, and white people here are very very aware of what they/ their ancestors did to Black and Indigenous people & fear retribution.
Unlimited guns for whites. Years ago, in California, politicians panicked when blacks started getting guns and changed the laws.
I love a good conversation. Makes us better!
I love the show format -- you effectively take the "media spectacle" aspect out of it - smart and respectful treatment of the subject. Thanks.
Thank you both for an honest look at how it is. Creating a real understanding of both sides now is extremely helpful in eliminating hate of the unknown ! We are more alike than different ❗️🙏🏾4️⃣🌎✌🏽❗️
Amazing. First episode I've seen. Thank you for bringing thoughtful dialogue to RUclips. Without this kind of effort, vapidity sets in rather easily.
The rest of the world looks at America and weeps. You guys are doing a great job. Keep it up 👍
This piece is brilliant, interesting perspective well done!. Always enjoyed kobi and klepper duo.
This is the type of conversation white people should engage in. This episode was a great example of how people with different backgrounds can learn from each other. The idea that white people get to choose which kind of protest they are comfortable with and therefore get to choose when they engage in a conversation about race, is a perfect illustration of white privilege. This episode also shows us why we need diverse work environments and sometimes just need to listen!
This was such an interesting smart thought-provoking conversation. One of the best I've heard about race, guns and protests.
Great job and thank you.
I hope you guys keep this podcast alive after Klepper ends. I heard it's just 8 episodes series.
Someone else wrote ““The awkward moment when a comedy Chanel makes more serious news than a news channel.” That’s because the “comedians” still have a voice. Because it’s expected to be disposable and funny, comedy can seriously examine issues that aren’t easy to talk about. When they start stifling the comedians, it’s time to flee.
Yeah I seen other people make the exact same comment too. Unlike you I didn't copy and paste it for meaningless RUclips likes
13 yo can’t determine when to shoot, he’ll be shooting bullies at his high school.
@MemoryDecipheR does it make it better? 13 yo with a gun. Do you even run brains in your head on the other side of the atlantic?
MemoryDecipheR suuuure, nothing as reliable as a 13 year old with all those raging hormones in that growing body.....
DcyphR kids parents can’t even be responsible enough to keep the kid in a healthy weight range. You really think ima trust a kid with what he thinks is an ar 15 or his parents when I can’t even trust him to keep his body healthy? Nah lol. Put the guns away and focus in the real threat kid. Your encroaching health problems.
DcyphR yes they are. A persons health is their own responsibility. A child health is his and his parents responsibility. You expect me to think a child and his parents who can’t keep something as vital as their body in a healthy state should be walking around with a weapon? Lack of Impulse control on food gets you killed. Lack of impulse control on a gun gets someone else killed. If you can’t even control that mouth you can’t be expected to control a weapon. So as soon as the kid is given a weapon that could harm someone else, then yeah it’s everybody’s problem. Teach him the discipline needed to not slowly kill himself from obesity before he’s even ready to walk with someone else’s life in his hand.
I love that they had the "white disqualifications" conversation.
can you explain what that means?
Law-abiding citizens that clench their guns to be able to resist a tyrannical government?
Resisting a tyrannical government requires citizens that are exactly the opposite.
That's one of the reasons I'd feel safer and more comfortable around Guerrilla Mainframe.
Minute 25-27, I've been trying to explain this to people for quite some time. We had a meeting at my daughters school and my husband conveyed our concerns. A white female opened her response with "First of all, I just want to say that you are so well spoken". Don't preface your interactions with us based on your stereotypes. It's not our fault you don't interact with other black people. There's a solid ass amount of us that are educated... same as you all.
Kobi, I'm sorry you have to go through all of this, you're such a wonderful man
I think this program featuring (exclusively?) on Comedy Central is a gross misuse of this. These conversations are mature and honest, and I think discourse like this is very important for the majority of people to be exposed to. Not to push any agenda, but to expose more people to more viewpoints and ideas - to encourage consideration and thought on topics that many feel so strongly about. I would like to have more conversations like this. I REALLY wish that more people could have extended mature conversations about divisive topics like this, because discussions can lead to understanding and eventually resolution.
Comedy Central is a neutral network no political affiliations ..
@@kenken1704 it’s not about politics. Comedy Central, as the name states, is a comedy channel. This is news and should be on a serious network channel to be taken seriously.
Deep important conversation. Much needed.
I kind of agree with the black dude laughing at dead cops. They laugh and do nothing when your people die, you laugh when theirs die. It's a fair response IMO. Probably not the one that will make you the most friends though.
In 2018, cops killed almost 1,000 UNARMED people.
And they get away with it.
Laughing at anyone's death is totally repulsive and base. Them doing it doesn't exonerate us doing it, that's terrible logic.
Excellent. Thanks, Jordan Klepper
I remember when that happens to CJ in Texas and am familiar with his rhetoric and Militant events. Saying many disparaging and violent things against Law Enforcement online and others. He has NEVER been treated differently by the FBI. And if he was Black when that incident and other situations happened he would have been immediately murdered by the Police...Justice is NOT🏫BLIND when it comes to Blacks and Latinos even in Middle Class and Affluent Neighborhoods. 😠
Kobi is very well spoken and really breaks this down in a nuanced way.
Hint to cops and lawmakers: Criminals don't open carry.
Criminals vs criminal act arent the same. A criminal makes a living illegally. Anybody can commit a crime.
KKK DO!
@@warrenholly2200 Yank those hoods off and you'll find a few cops and lawmakers. LoL
@@supastarvfr9534 EXACTLY MY FRIEND THEY HAVE BEEN WITH THOSE HATE ORGANIZATIONS FROM THE BEGINNING THEY WONT PASS LAW MAKING THEM HOMEGROWN TERRITORIST AND MAKE THEM HATE CRIMES I WONDER WHY
This was such a good way to present this deathly serious topic. I was cracking up but knew the level of the topic. Good job.
If it had been Guerrilla Mainframe marching in Gonzalez, TX it would've been a very different outcome alright.
Thank you for a great discussion. I appreciate your coverage of important human topics!
Dude, Kobe Libii is spitting so 🔥. Dude takes over!
In the beginning of the video, when he argues that there’s no distinction between police & normies other than some training- that makes me want to argue that police need MORE training with guns, not that normies should get more access to them!
Like for real, why are we not 1) giving officers more training in gun handling & deescalation skills & 2) giving them more pay, so they aren’t so angry all the time, simultaneously raising standards for who can even be a police officer in the first place & 3) strongly favor the sound minded ex-military people who have had lots & lots of training & experience in intense life or death situations.
Just a few thoughts. 🤷🏻♀️
* Guy chilling in his apartment *
Woman Cop:
I’m about to end this whole mans *LIFE*
Yeah - I remember seeing a clip where ted cruz portrayed beto as a threat to whiteness (the classic 'race traitor' bit) because beto was 'caught' stating that it was a fucked up murder.
paused this, went to the mailroom in my apt. bldg. Spoke to a neighbor I had not met before. She told me there was a woman causing a disturbance on our floor last night. and THEN she told me not to worry, she has a gun and a carry permit so we are safe. Yikes!! i feel a lot less safe.
That was an insightful conversation. I wish we had this honesty on tap in the mainstream. Thanks guys.
This is great, more of this please, intelligent conversation
This conversation was so much more useful and insightful than the actual piece. Would like to see more of these inner reflections talked through in the future.
“You’re walking around like John Wick and you want more rights?!” 😂🤣
Thank u both. ✊🏼kobi libii! 🤙🏼Jordan Klepper.
My challenge with this well argued podcast is the situatedness of the interviewers. For example, if I can use Neo as an archetypal hero to argue my point. Neo recognized something was wrong with the system and eventually knew he had to destroy and rebuild it. The interviewers seem to be ok with critiquing the system, yet are not willing to be on the front lines to change it. Quite often Black intellectuals can accurately articulate the struggle, but they are to removed to change it on the front lines. Also, those on the front lines do not articulate their struggle well and simply show a masculine framework to demonstrate they too are men deserving of respect. Of course, I think arguments are needed across the spectrum for change to occur.
I gained respect for the brother (co-interviewer) in the interview, although I can tell he’s invested in preserving the system. The rights of Black people have never been respected in this country and the rights once reserved solely for White men are now increasingly being sought after by under-represented populations. For example, my Black family was born on American soil four hundred years ago, thus technically making them American citizens. Why is it that same Black family just gained the protected right to vote about 55 years ago? Imagine not being able to protect yourself, children, wife, and community for 345 years. White men created this horrific system of advantages and disadvantages 400 years ago and each generation will be faced with this problem until this group comes to grips with fixing a perpetually inequitable system.
Last note, the constitution was designed to expand rights of all citizens, so others would eventually have the rights and privileges of White males. So, you can’t create a system, then get mad when women and people of color also want to be included.
Keep goinnnnnn
Would love to see your writing some opinion pieces or putting out some videos!
Walter Argueta thank you and I’m inspired by your comment. I’m actually in the process of building platforms to discuss these matters. Once again, thanks for the vote of confidence.
Agree with Walter. This is very well put, and glad to hear you are working on platforms to expand the conversation. I particularly appreciated your comments about the challenges faced by people on the front lines in articulating the problem to solve. This is true on both sides. You’ve made me think about my own lack of involvement on the frontlines and sense of helplessness about how I can contribute to solving this problem.
My family was among the white Methodist ministers who marched with Rev. King and John Lewis CT Vivian and Rev. John Lewis. And while I’m proud of my great uncles and aunts and grandparents for their contributions to the Civil Rights struggle, I feel there is more I should do as a white man to support the continued cause for freedom and racial equality.
When you referred to Kobi you called him “the brother”. Your next sentence made it clear to which man you referred. I look forward to the day that it is our human race that distinguishes a man a “brother” instead of the black man in a conversation.
Will look for more of your comments. Where can I find your other platforms?
#BAgang !!! #DescendantOfAmericanChatteSlavery
Kobi is the fucking man. He really drove this discussion and it was fucking elucidating!
Doesn’t train with gun, but carries it to look “cool” lmfaoooo. These people carrying weapons in the video are a joke.
Protagonist mentality
@6:36 Cops to obtuse to not know your own apartment. 8 years of college to be a librarian, 6 months to be a gang member with lights on your car!
As a brown Spanish, I feel the same way, when I enter an all white place. I feel afraid bc if the looks of not welcoming.
Wear a checkered button up shirt and tuck it in and say "y'all" its worked for me. You should never be fearful it gives certain folks fuel.
@@cristianvillanueva8782 basically assimilate or die?
@@avaphynx just makes em feel a bit more comfortable
@@cristianvillanueva8782 that sounds like a luxury that people of color aren't afforded.
@@avaphynx as someone whos brown as wheat grain bread, its worked for me.
When I first went to Alaska during the pipeline years, people carried guns in town. I never got used to it and I hope I never have to.
So am I allowed to open carry an open vial of anthrax? What about a stick of dynamite? Seems like the laws on weaponry are very arbitrary.
Where can I find the video with Kobi Libii? Kinda want to watch that before this
Is this what you're looking for?
ruclips.net/video/pYKlHQJkcHk/видео.html
@@onemooreperson13 Sadly not, I have already seen that. It ends with Kobi Libii's begining of the story
Thank you-Mr Klemperer and especially Mr Libii for producing and uploading this.
Jordan Klepper has been on top of these and other important issues for quite a while before the protests of 2020.... props 👍