In the 90s..I remember one of the lads wrote to the RSPCA and asked if he could keep 4 pigs in a room with our 4man bk room dimensions. They wrote back, said it would be inhumane.. that letter went up on the notice board.. till the QM saw it. 🤣🤣
An absolute scandal and has been for years. We have the smallest Army since Waterloo yet we cannot house them properly while putting illegal immigrants in 4* hotels for nothing! I was serving in London when they sold off Chelsea Barracks, we were told the £900 million plus would be spent on housing, where did that go?
Has always been the same, My mate with his family when returning from Germany, ended in Military housing in Aldershot, old run down houses and since he had left the Army was trying to throw him out, but no local councils had any places for him, his wife and 2 kids. But they still took him to court, the Judge stated they could not make him homeless, he was there for quite awhile.
Another government privatisation program that has been going on for decades In the 1980’s unmarried OR’s had single rooms that were 2.5m x 2m but married quarters were on the whole better than today - it still sucks
So they are saying that if you are a married Private posted to a unit and you are entitled to a 3 bed married quarter, but the only one available is an Officers married quarter; you will move in to it? Yeah,right!
I used to have a aspestos warning sign above my bed, some 1IG officer used to cut off the heating in winter to save money so he could get his MBE in saving cost.
I remember being housed in accommodation that had been officially condemned at Marne Barracks, about 15 years back now. Looks very similar to that grade 4 block. Which says a lot.
I served for 34 years from 1974. This scandal is not new. It was a problem when I was a child and accompanying my father around the world. More words from those in the ministry of defence. "Proactive maintenance" A euphemism for keeping the rubbish accommodation standing for longer.
I'm disgusted that the people who are prepared to be killed for us are expected to live like this, while footballers who do eff all decide which of their supercars to drive today while having money thrown at them.
I understand your sentiment, but Footballers are in a private industry, and not paid by the taxpayer. A far greater uproar should be looking at how much backbench politicians, middle managers of NHS and other organisations, or civil servants get paid comparative to their work. That is disgusting.
Let's hope the Powers That Be keep their word! And whilst they're at it, how about paying our heroic Armed Forces Personnel a decent wage!! Thank You All for your Service! From a REME Veteran.🇬🇧
Anyone that’s served a day in the army will be sceptical about this scheme. I hope I’m wrong, because better accommodation is linked to retention and a positive mental state. The sad irony is that soldiers are often better accommodated whilst deployed overseas, and that’s absolutely unacceptable.
I’m just a mere member of the public and this has made me feel ashamed of my country. The armed forces hierarchy who have let this happen should be sacked for gross misconduct, give the fighting forces who protect our nation decent accommodation, food and personal equipment as an absolute minimum. Thanks to all the brave people that serve and keep us safe.
My recollections of Army accommodation are not the best, but knowing your average squaddy's propensity for getting hammered and trashing the place I don't see this going well. Secondly providing MQ's for non married personnel will end in tears. Again knowing squaddies's propensity for taking up with local bikes what happens when he comes back from tour to find her entertaining an opportunistic civvie ? Or indeed another squaddie ? What happens when the relationship ends as is very likely given the demands of Army life ? I can't see some" girlfriend " accepting the rules and regs of army accommodation either. By all means upgrade both married and single accommodation but use a bit of common dog eh ?
I’ve just bought a house, 300 miles from all my family and friends for a three year posting, just to get out of the mess. The combination of the food and accommodation standards were just intolerable.
Once again, this subject raises its ugly head. How many times has this been discussed and promises been made that it will be rectified ? It is an ongoing subject that is just “Marking Time” and not going anywhere while those further up the “Food Chain” probably just snap their fingers and the problem is solved. It’s when I see and read about the accommodation problem for our armed forces that I say to myself, “Thank God that I’m well out of that”. Shocking.
I did 16 years in total in MQs before I got my own house..my first MQ was in Church Crookham near Aldershot in75..near the Gurkhas barracks..big old red brick job..old but decent and warm..I had to move out in 76 as they were being demolished..moved to Napier Square Aldershot in the Squares..opposite 7 RHA Sgts Mess..not a good place.. Then 4 years in Minden Germany..damn good place..2 bed flat..then York..semi detached 3 bed..excellent house..then Catterick..Essex Close..3 bed end terrace..another good place..Gibraltar..3 bed top floor flat with belting views across the straits of Gib..400 metres from Europa Point lighthouse..then Bulford...another 3 bed upstairs flat..2 storeys only though...last MQ I had was in Palace Barracks Belfast..in 87...3 bed terrace..it was a decent place...very warm..I was in it 12 months..then got my own back in Yorkshire.. All in all my houses were really good no real complaints to be fair..
Not usually the case buddy - but it’s a good Tory sound bite, I when working for the council inspected many and they would not get 1 star if that, most were owned by slum landlords charging the government exorbitant amounts of cash for rooms with black mold, damp, leaking roofs and piled in like sardines One two up two down terrace had 16 living in it (with a small door from the kitchen into the coal house sleeping another) This sub standard accommodation was the norm albeit many not as extreme Don’t believe everything the press tell you - and don’t forget the Tory’s started the privatisation of service accommodation when contracts went to cronies
@@stuco81 not all you read is true much is simply Tory propaganda and out of the 1200 “Hotels” I inspected none would get even 1 star - it’s always covenant to have a scape goat to deflect from the failure to have a democratic transparent government, like blaming the RNLI for simply saving lives, they have no political agenda but if they failed to rescue people based on colour ….. !!! PS France takes in 4 times more than the UK yet another twist of the truth Ironic that the Brexit government is now trying to entice EU workers back to the UK as not enough to do the jobs we don’t want to do !
@@donxz2555 Always one who has to get on the "immigrants" hobby horse.. They definitely don't get it as easy as some like to portray. I used to teach immigrants , one Iraqi guy who had worked for our Corps in Iraq was sanctioned for 6 weeks by DWP for missing ONE 40 MIN LESSON. ! A lesson he had to take two busses then walk half a mile to attend three times a week.
Private soldiers with 2 small kids can now have a large 3 bed officers quarter but the Sargent major who has 2 children and one turns 18 is now only getting a small 2 bed! And to add insult, local authorities do not recognise service children who are 18 or older for housing.
I'm glad it's finally getting the press it deserves but we've been here before so time will tell. For me this has to be a priority for the army and wider forces, our service personnel deserve decent accommodation for themselves and their families also and for them not to be for so long is a scandal that we cannot just sweep under the carpet anymore.
I hope for our lads and lasses sake that the new builds are not using the blueprints from modern day housing developers new builds because houses nowadays are being built way, way too small for their designated use. I visited a new build near me a few years ago when looking for a house, and I couldn't even get up the stairs forward I had ti walk at an angle. The living room had 3/4 size furniture in to make it look bigger and even then you could barely get a coffee table and a TV in there. Please build them to a better standard.
About time there was some sort of covenant for those willing to serve their country, everyone down to the greenest squaddie should have acces to the BEST of everything.
A million & one places .. Just takes a Chancellor with a good healthy pair of swingers between his legs ..To ignore the leftist screeching & to drop the axe & save this Country a fortune.
Sorry guys but migrants get the budget for top hotels. We put on the uniform for our country and its simply let us and everybody done. I wouldn't do this 22 years again knowing what a let down this country is
Will never change. Doesn't matter what you are entitled to if they can't provide it. And basing it on requirements instead of rank? Give me a break, a 2 star with no family isn't going to have worse accommodation than a lad with a wife and 2 kids.
@@phucknuts.7065 even former military homes that have since been sold on to the public and still inhabited to this day by the general public. Whole estates still stood.
20 odd years ago I lived in a 1950s 'Spider Block' at HMS Heron, it was supposed to have lasted 20yrs but I was in it 30yrs after that! Doors and windows didn't fit, there were literally boarded up holes in the walls where lads had punched clean through to the outside. They only got condemned after someone finally realised they were asbestos lined but it took them about a year to tell us that! Criminal incompetence by the command element.
How true that is, i saw a lot off young lads get caught up with LOVE with the local bikes, and her kids, she would normally be much older and next thing, the idiots get married to them and now you got them all in an Army house, he will be away and everyone else would be around his house banging his misses.
Fall of 2023? Let me do the math on that. That’s about 8.6 governments from now! Similar situations in Canada and the USA. Cheers 🍻, take care and stay frosty ☃️🇨🇦🫡🇬🇧☃️
Now I know why so many quit and sleep on the streets... Interesting though that the same Afghans we fought for so long are all now nice and cozy in 4* hotels all over the country...also makes sense as to why those same Afghans set fire to an ex army barracks that they were housed in...for free...
Shocking the public are outraged at how the veterans are treated ...it dosnt seem much better for those who serve ....mean while the invaders of Kent...
Statement from the government: “Hey don’t worry so far this year approx. 40,000 people have illegally crossed the channel, rightfully so, they are all being housed in 4 star hotels, also we understand that there is a massive shortage of housing in this nation, but don’t you worry, each year net legal migration totals approx. 300,000 so the houses that are built get snapped right up! In regard to the members of our armed forces, well, they’ll be alright!”
For goodness sake! This is absolutely ridiculous! How on earth is this still going on? It’s all fine and well spending money on essential kit, equipment and supplies but what idiot(s) have continued to fail our service men, women and their families? This is just pathetic and shameful! We expect heaven and earth of our military personnel yet we can’t provide decent housing when they’re eligible? What kind of “bass ackward” thinking is this?
What is the matter with this country? `Chief of Defence People`! What about `Chief of Military Personnel`? Or would that upset the luvvies who think that `military personnel`, sounds a bit too tough. God help us.
They wonder why people dont stay in. A bit late military cheifs..... Hows your pay rises and pension benefits..... Its a main reason for people leaving, but they have already left.
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In the 90s..I remember one of the lads wrote to the RSPCA and asked if he could keep 4 pigs in a room with our 4man bk room dimensions.
They wrote back, said it would be inhumane.. that letter went up on the notice board.. till the QM saw it. 🤣🤣
Pigs are much bigger than humans is why. Have you ever seen one? They're enormous.
@@K1lostream Depends on the breed
Did the QM flip
An absolute scandal and has been for years. We have the smallest Army since Waterloo yet we cannot house them properly while putting illegal immigrants in 4* hotels for nothing! I was serving in London when they sold off Chelsea Barracks, we were told the £900 million plus would be spent on housing, where did that go?
It was spent on housing, just not forces housing if you know what I mean.
Those hotels need paying.
@@wolfyys You're probably right, I read last year that 2000 are in such bad places the MoD doesn't charge rent!
@@wolfyys the politicians need to pay for their mansions too
Can assure you it’s a lot more than that
@@jamess4461 And they wonder why they can't even get the tiny numbers they need???
Should reopen military hospitals too.
Has always been the same, My mate with his family when returning from Germany, ended in Military housing in Aldershot, old run down houses and since he had left the Army was trying to throw him out, but no local councils had any places for him, his wife and 2 kids. But they still took him to court, the Judge stated they could not make him homeless, he was there for quite awhile.
Shame all those council houses were sold.
Another government privatisation program that has been going on for decades
In the 1980’s unmarried OR’s had single rooms that were 2.5m x 2m but married quarters were on the whole better than today - it still sucks
So they are saying that if you are a married Private posted to a unit and you are entitled to a 3 bed married quarter, but the only one available is an Officers married quarter; you will move in to it? Yeah,right!
I used to have a aspestos warning sign above my bed, some 1IG officer used to cut off the heating in winter to save money so he could get his MBE in saving cost.
I remember being housed in accommodation that had been officially condemned at Marne Barracks, about 15 years back now. Looks very similar to that grade 4 block. Which says a lot.
I served for 34 years from 1974. This scandal is not new. It was a problem when I was a child and accompanying my father around the world. More words from those in the ministry of defence. "Proactive maintenance" A euphemism for keeping the rubbish accommodation standing for longer.
I'm disgusted that the people who are prepared to be killed for us are expected to live like this, while footballers who do eff all decide which of their supercars to drive today while having money thrown at them.
I understand your sentiment, but Footballers are in a private industry, and not paid by the taxpayer.
A far greater uproar should be looking at how much backbench politicians, middle managers of NHS and other organisations, or civil servants get paid comparative to their work. That is disgusting.
funny I was a serviceman in the 80's - the standard of accommodation was good and well looked after - that was when DoE looked after the estate
When it was new in the 80s but that same homes and rooms are still being used now 30 plus years on.
Its the same with local housing associations in general they leave you in awful conditions
Let's hope the Powers That Be keep their word! And whilst they're at it, how about paying our heroic Armed Forces Personnel a decent wage!! Thank You All for your Service! From a REME Veteran.🇬🇧
Anyone that’s served a day in the army will be sceptical about this scheme. I hope I’m wrong, because better accommodation is linked to retention and a positive mental state. The sad irony is that soldiers are often better accommodated whilst deployed overseas, and that’s absolutely unacceptable.
I was at Combermere barracks with The Lifeguards in the 70's.
I’m just a mere member of the public and this has made me feel ashamed of my country. The armed forces hierarchy who have let this happen should be sacked for gross misconduct, give the fighting forces who protect our nation decent accommodation, food and personal equipment as an absolute minimum. Thanks to all the brave people that serve and keep us safe.
Half the barracks are riddled with legionella.
Damned French, they’re everywhere !
My recollections of Army accommodation are not the best, but knowing your average squaddy's propensity for getting hammered and trashing the place I don't see this going well. Secondly providing MQ's for non married personnel will end in tears. Again knowing squaddies's propensity for taking up with local bikes what happens when he comes back from tour to find her entertaining an opportunistic civvie ? Or indeed another squaddie ? What happens when the relationship ends as is very likely given the demands of Army life ? I can't see some" girlfriend " accepting the rules and regs of army accommodation either. By all means upgrade both married and single accommodation but use a bit of common dog eh ?
Hahaha 🤣 that Grade “4” shown is still better than the SLA at our camp.
Will the plugs still be cut off the George Foreman grills?
I’ve just bought a house, 300 miles from all my family and friends for a three year posting, just to get out of the mess. The combination of the food and accommodation standards were just intolerable.
Do you need any facilities managers
Once again, this subject raises its ugly head. How many times has this been discussed and promises been made that it will be rectified ? It is an ongoing subject that is just “Marking Time” and not going anywhere while those further up the “Food Chain” probably just snap their fingers and the problem is solved. It’s when I see and read about the accommodation problem for our armed forces that I say to myself, “Thank God that I’m well out of that”. Shocking.
I did 16 years in total in MQs before I got my own house..my first MQ was in Church Crookham near Aldershot in75..near the Gurkhas barracks..big old red brick job..old but decent and warm..I had to move out in 76 as they were being demolished..moved to Napier Square Aldershot in the Squares..opposite 7 RHA Sgts Mess..not a good place..
Then 4 years in Minden Germany..damn good place..2 bed flat..then York..semi detached 3 bed..excellent house..then Catterick..Essex Close..3 bed end terrace..another good place..Gibraltar..3 bed top floor flat with belting views across the straits of Gib..400 metres from Europa Point lighthouse..then Bulford...another 3 bed upstairs flat..2 storeys only though...last MQ I had was in Palace Barracks Belfast..in 87...3 bed terrace..it was a decent place...very warm..I was in it 12 months..then got my own back in Yorkshire..
All in all my houses were really good no real complaints to be fair..
I'm guessing this doesn't apply to those who are in training, they should be in section accomodation.
Immigrants get treated better, 4 star hotels etc....absolute joke.
Not usually the case buddy - but it’s a good Tory sound bite, I when working for the council inspected many and they would not get 1 star if that, most were owned by slum landlords charging the government exorbitant amounts of cash for rooms with black mold, damp, leaking roofs and piled in like sardines
One two up two down terrace had 16 living in it (with a small door from the kitchen into the coal house sleeping another)
This sub standard accommodation was the norm albeit many not as extreme
Don’t believe everything the press tell you - and don’t forget the Tory’s started the privatisation of service accommodation when contracts went to cronies
@@donxz2555 is the Tories that have been putting the migrants up in hotels!
@@stuco81 not all you read is true much is simply Tory propaganda and out of the 1200 “Hotels” I inspected none would get even 1 star - it’s always covenant to have a scape goat to deflect from the failure to have a democratic transparent government, like blaming the RNLI for simply saving lives, they have no political agenda but if they failed to rescue people based on colour ….. !!!
PS France takes in 4 times more than the UK yet another twist of the truth
Ironic that the Brexit government is now trying to entice EU workers back to the UK as not enough to do the jobs we don’t want to do !
@@donxz2555 Always one who has to get on the "immigrants" hobby horse.. They definitely don't get it as easy as some like to portray. I used to teach immigrants , one Iraqi guy who had worked for our Corps in Iraq was sanctioned for 6 weeks by DWP for missing ONE 40 MIN LESSON. ! A lesson he had to take two busses then walk half a mile to attend three times a week.
@@stuco81 and labour treat the army better?....they are all as bad as each other
Could do with some heating in the camps too.
Dont pads "march out" every posting where the pad has to be immaculate with everything working ??
NHS has (from memory) a capital spend 4% of revenue budget, it has to be spent every year , government should look after its greatest asset
I actually like the black mould in my room, adds a bit of colour.
Private soldiers with 2 small kids can now have a large 3 bed officers quarter but the Sargent major who has 2 children and one turns 18 is now only getting a small 2 bed! And to add insult, local authorities do not recognise service children who are 18 or older for housing.
The accommodation we are given is disgusting. Transit accommodation needs to change too.
It's good to see. My MQs were pretty good so I couldn't complain
I'm glad it's finally getting the press it deserves but we've been here before so time will tell. For me this has to be a priority for the army and wider forces, our service personnel deserve decent accommodation for themselves and their families also and for them not to be for so long is a scandal that we cannot just sweep under the carpet anymore.
I hope for our lads and lasses sake that the new builds are not using the blueprints from modern day housing developers new builds because houses nowadays are being built way, way too small for their designated use. I visited a new build near me a few years ago when looking for a house, and I couldn't even get up the stairs forward I had ti walk at an angle. The living room had 3/4 size furniture in to make it look bigger and even then you could barely get a coffee table and a TV in there. Please build them to a better standard.
Probably more talking about it this year and next year. When will something REALLY get done?
Only about 20 to 30 years behind the Australian Defence Force!
About time there was some sort of covenant for those willing to serve their country, everyone down to the greenest squaddie should have acces to the BEST of everything.
Where is the money supposed to come from?
A million & one places .. Just takes a Chancellor with a good healthy pair of swingers between his legs ..To ignore the leftist screeching & to drop the axe & save this Country a fortune.
"They deserve better", I doubt many will disagree.
Sorry guys but migrants get the budget for top hotels. We put on the uniform for our country and its simply let us and everybody done. I wouldn't do this 22 years again knowing what a let down this country is
Will never change. Doesn't matter what you are entitled to if they can't provide it. And basing it on requirements instead of rank? Give me a break, a 2 star with no family isn't going to have worse accommodation than a lad with a wife and 2 kids.
More talk!
Jesus!
Is that SLAM accommodation?
As in only 7 years old?
They have better military homes in NI.
Because we appreciate our armed forces in NI.
@@phucknuts.7065 even former military homes that have since been sold on to the public and still inhabited to this day by the general public. Whole estates still stood.
Talk, talk, jaw,jaw.
You should see the state of the royal Navy accommodation probably grade 15 ?😂
20 odd years ago I lived in a 1950s 'Spider Block' at HMS Heron, it was supposed to have lasted 20yrs but I was in it 30yrs after that!
Doors and windows didn't fit, there were literally boarded up holes in the walls where lads had punched clean through to the outside. They only got condemned after someone finally realised they were asbestos lined but it took them about a year to tell us that!
Criminal incompetence by the command element.
Johnny Squaddy will be entitled to move the local single mother bike into an MQ, plus all her kids by different fathers. Then try getting her out…🤣
That's no way to talk about your Mrs.
@@ULHIS lol…It’s just so army….🤣
@@davey2363 absolutely 😂
How true that is, i saw a lot off young lads get caught up with LOVE with the local bikes, and her kids, she would normally be much older and next thing, the idiots get married to them and now you got them all in an Army house, he will be away and everyone else would be around his house banging his misses.
@@bullet-catcherhohoho250 ….true…I’m a 2434 from 1974…..in my 24 years nothing changed lol
Fall of 2023? Let me do the math on that. That’s about 8.6 governments from now! Similar situations in Canada and the USA. Cheers 🍻, take care and stay frosty ☃️🇨🇦🫡🇬🇧☃️
10 years to finish not good enough people won’t put up with it anymore and officers senior ranks will always get better accommodation
What is wrong with grade 4.
Funny,,,,the occupants who objected to occomodation good enough for forces are now in 4/5* hotels!!!
Now I know why so many quit and sleep on the streets...
Interesting though that the same Afghans we fought for so long are all now nice and cozy in 4* hotels all over the country...also makes sense as to why those same Afghans set fire to an ex army barracks that they were housed in...for free...
Shocking the public are outraged at how the veterans are treated ...it dosnt seem much better for those who serve ....mean while the invaders of Kent...
About time this was sorted out. Prisoners have better conditions. Let's show our people we do care about them and their families
Statement from the government: “Hey don’t worry so far this year approx. 40,000 people have illegally crossed the channel, rightfully so, they are all being housed in 4 star hotels, also we understand that there is a massive shortage of housing in this nation, but don’t you worry, each year net legal migration totals approx. 300,000 so the houses that are built get snapped right up! In regard to the members of our armed forces, well, they’ll be alright!”
About time.
@@solariss452 Alas, probably true, but it should happen.
For goodness sake! This is absolutely ridiculous! How on earth is this still going on? It’s all fine and well spending money on essential kit, equipment and supplies but what idiot(s) have continued to fail our service men, women and their families? This is just pathetic and shameful! We expect heaven and earth of our military personnel yet we can’t provide decent housing when they’re eligible? What kind of “bass ackward” thinking is this?
Lived in some dirty homes Plus the soldiers living on camp are out dated.
Blocks in shitstate
What is the matter with this country? `Chief of Defence People`! What about `Chief of Military Personnel`? Or would that upset the luvvies who think that `military personnel`, sounds a bit too tough. God help us.
Nah make it all like Swynnerton.
They wonder why people dont stay in. A bit late military cheifs..... Hows your pay rises and pension benefits..... Its a main reason for people leaving, but they have already left.
Its a joke it looks like prison no wounder people aren't joining the army were is the money going
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