WHY The C8 Corvette Z06 Sounds SO Different
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- The 5.5L flat plane crank engine is confirmed for a production Chevy Corvette, but will it appear in the Z06? In this video we examine the American flat plane crank V8 and why it sounds so special. Have you ever wondered what gives this style of V8 its unique sound?
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Z06 seen testing at Willow Springs! ruclips.net/video/00OhWXF05mI/видео.html
@RevMatchTV - I own that FPC C6Z06 now. Been slowly adding to it for driving at COTA. Contact me if you’re interested in how it sounds today.
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The technical part was explained really good. Most channels just throw words out of a press release on you not knowing what it means. Well done!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Saying " flat plane crank" makes me sound brilliant.
😂😂😂
Now I can impress my friends at car shows
What's flare plane crank
New drinking game, ever time he says “flat plane crank” take a sip
bigbrendo69 I was drunk at 5:13
I’ve put away a 1.78 litre of baileys watching this.
Chevy hit a home run with this corvette
I'm so behind the times I didn't realize flat plane cranks were a thing. How the hell are we going to make lamps, barstools, and end tables out of THAT?
Leave it to some enterprising racer who blows up the first one!
Ferrari been using fiat plane cranks for decades
BMW did it with the 5liter in the M5 and Z8 in the late 90's and again with the V10
The Ford model t used a flat plane crankshaft.
SupraBdub - most in-line 4 cylinders are flat plane cranks
I would LOVE it if Chevy made a v12 for the c8
i know its never ever gunna happen but i can wish right
@Lassi Kinnunen we can all dream 😂😂
@Lassi Kinnunen never know, Honda could probably get a 4 cylinder to do that if they tried, 9k rpm limit in the S2k
V12 sounds interesting. Maybe Tavarish will swap a wrecked one!
They should have a 3-liter V12 as an economy option. 🤭
You can buy a v12 LS motor
C8 looks and sounds like a ferrari, thats a good thing imo.
The moment we know that at the Ferrari's HQ they're gulping quietly.
They don't care. The people who can afford a Ferrari wouldn't bat an eye towards a Corvette
SP until they get beaten by one lmao
Way She goes seeing as how the GTR has been destroying Ferraris’ for awhile, I don’t think a Ferrari owner but ship to a cheaper car
@@-SP. Still doesn't change the fact that they're quietly gulping down at the Ferrari HQ.
Imagine this: A mass producer produces are car that can outperform an equivalent Ferrari at the fraction of its costs. Now, that tells me something about GM's resources. If they wanted to.
@@-SP. Oh, yeah, I know that kind of arrogance (NOO, not from you, from Ferrari owners). Well, it's what it is. Arrogance. Having said that, yes, Ferrari knows a thing or two about very fast cars. No doubt. But so much more? I doubt.
C8R is likely restricted to meet the IMSA standards.
My thought exactly. The C8.R likely has restrictor plates and/or manipulation of timing/fuel delivery to detune to 500hp to meet IMSA regulations for BOP.
Every car entered makes more than 500 and is restricted. It's much easier to take power away to meet the limit than to add it. And if you ever find a sneaky way to uncork a few extra , they're on tap.
GM is finally like “I’m done playing with you we’re gonna make the vette better than what you can do
Question: Are the Z06 or ZR1 going to have the larger side scoops and wider rear end like the C8R? I certainly hope so. They are hiding something cool under that side skirt at the end of the video. Can't wait to see what it is.
Yes
Explaining the crankshafts was top notch!!!
Thanks
This car is going to be a future classic for sure!.
So will the C6 ZO6 with the 427, and the last ZR1 with 755hp. Wish i had the funds☹️
@@gapyrodawg5181 Wasn't that the 454??.
@@z71guy18 no imeant the last front engine ZR1. Watch the value climb in the coming years with no more front engine. There was a 454 in the early 70's I think. Right about the time emissions killed power.
I think people can stop calling it "Just a sports car" now.
It is just a sports car, nothing special, nothing unique about this car
@@Maverick9k lol coming from someone with the most primitive car name in the username. I smell sarcasm or Idiocracy. I'm hoping sarcasm
@@hercules71185 neither truth, there is nothing unique about this car it's just a cheap knock off of a trash Ferrari
@@Maverick9k it's innovating a 35mpg sports car that has performance at a reasonable cost to compete with the lower end Ferraris at a fraction of the cost and daily driver ability with a decent reliability. It's lot Tesla fast. It's not McLaren performance or even porche build quality with performance. But it's more reliable and more economic. It's an absolute monster for a one size fits all
@@hercules71185 i dont care about how they're innovating the performance because that comes naturally with any new car as that's one of the top priorities,
They took away what made this car unique is what i don't like
Corvette has become a mid engine flat plane crank V8 sports car, sounds like a Ferrari both theoretically and quite literally with that exhaust note and looks like it's trying to be a Ferrari.
Front Engine Crossplane Crank V8 American sports car, the only one of it's kind, that's what made it unique
I saw a red C8 just the other day near south Gastonia, NC and I SWEAR it had a flat plane engine in it. It sounded like a straight-piped V6 at first. I was totally baffled by the sound. There's no way in hell it had a cross plane V8 in it. No way!
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I’ve noticed most flat plane crank engines have a lower torque rating than a comparable cross plane engine of similar displacement or smaller. The current Ford Coyote makes 420 ft lbs vs the Voodoo 429. The Voodoo has a little more torque but not by much and it’s a little higher in the RPM range compared to the 5.0 so it doesn’t pull quite as hard off the line. Most Euro super cars seem to have this same characteristic, high horsepower numbers and slightly lower torque figures, but they rev really high so when you do get into peak torque it’ll pull hard at those higher RPMs.
That’s exactly right
It's because the crank weight much less than the crossplane
Great explanation in the video. The best way to solve the lack of torque on a high revving low displacement engine is to add a few turbos to the mix.
Ford added a supercharger to the 5.2L in the GT500 and made it a conventional cross plane crank. I wonder what Chevy will do...
RevMatchTV I don’t know how flat plane cranks handle boost. The gt350 doesn’t. But the new Ferrari 488 is flat plane crank and twin turbo, so there’s a way to do it.
Great explanation of the flat plane crank! I would imagine if GM paired their new 5.5l flat plane engine with an intercooled super charger, that will easily achieve +600hp. Reliably, I'm not sure but it sounds fun!
Ford uses the same Voodo block from the GT350 in the Supercharged GT500, but it uses a conventional cross plane crank and makes 760hp.
You know your stuff 💯
I put some extra effort into this one
Thank you so much for explaining what a flatplane 8 is. I was always curious about the difference, but it's like you're ridiculed by people when you don't know even the simplest of things, so i never got an answer. So thx :))
Wrong..! The pistons are connected to the connecting Rod. The connecting rod is connected to the crankshaft..
Patrick Barnes facts
I always thought that where the connecting rods connect to the crank were called crank journals and pins are what attached the pistons to the rods.
Great information! I like the flat plane crank sound. 🦅🦅🇺🇸
I love the crossplane sound on the Yamaha R1
Same. Thats why I sold my bike and got an R1 after ‘09.
This is good. Great informative video.
The C8R has a restrictor plate that brings the power down to 500 hp. Remove the restrictor and the power goes up! Balance shafts in the engine or make the four cams counter the Flat Crank Vibration to make it go away.
A 4.0L 86mm by 86mm V8 is the perfect engine displacement. I wish GM would build a LS/LT/New variant in 4.0L. Maybe a dual overhead cam. The C8 EuroSpec TTurbo 4.0. Or a C8 with the new 4.2 Cadillac engine.
Can’t wait to see the new Corvette Z06!
There needs to be the new Corvette Grand Sport!
Indeed! Or a similar mid-level model. I think that will be a year or 2 out.
If you go by what GM usually does the Z06 will come out first, probably as a 2022 model. A Grand Sport will come out 6 months or so later with a Z06 body using the LT2 with 495 hp.
I hope the Rumors of a 1000hp ZR1 are true. Even if Boosted with electricity, it should be a Beast!!!
Thanks FORD
This was kind of cool, they where very worried about the vibration in the 24 hours of Daytona. I knew it was the flat plane crank but didn't know about the vibration.
Yeah the car didn’t do too well. Teething pains.
@@revmatchtv wasn't horrible for a fully redesigned body and engine. They even said, once this race is over they will be a whole lot smarter. 24 hours of beating on a new engine that made it the whole way. I know one of them went down, but that was more of a bracket they couldn't access.
@@greggfridline4260 They race it to test it an iron out the kinks. I'm sure the next round will be better.
Definitely, the flat plane crank will allow the engine to adjust rpm more quickly and it's extremely useful in enabling the new quick shifting transmissions to do their job.
Chevy have been saying for ages now that if you wanna know more about the C8 Z06, look at the race car. That doesn't exactly come out and say it will be a fp crank engine for sure, but I think most of us expect that it will be
I think it's all but confirmed the Z06 will get a FPC engine
The issue of "vibration" from a flat-plane crank in large displacement V8 engines can be
easily resolved...for the most part...with overhead cams.
It's the least expensive, simplest & most logical way to overcome this issue in street-driven cars.
More than likely, the new Corvette...with the flat-plane crank...will be a non-pushrod engine.
Regards, Ben
They don't use the Cadillac motor because the DPI class doesn't require engine homologation with the factory stuff, but the GTLM class (or GTE Pro Le Mans class) is required to be factory homologated for car and engine for so many road going units.
I don’t see how this would stop them using it though. Use a version of the blackwing engine for a production c8.
@@revmatchtv Its not LT based, and it's probably not the goal they wanna achieve on performance c8 road versions. Car manufacturers get to play with so much money when they throw it into racing.
@@RideBGKY We don't know much of anything about this new motor. It may or may not use an LT based block. I hope they come up with a reliable, powerful engine. GM has amazing engineers, but often constrained by the bean counters.
@@revmatchtv As an engineer, I know about them bean counters. Haha
Ask Warren Johnson how well the 180* flat crank worked out in NHRA Pro Stock...
So HOW DO YOU solve the vibration? Please do tell. Love the technical explanation.
Have a anti vibration mechanism and a 102.9mm(4.050 inch) bore and 82.55mm(3.250 inch) stroke(will the 5.5L DOHC FPC V8 have this bore and stroke; depends on the blocks bore spacing). Having a short stroke will lessen vibrations significantly; the Ford Voodoo block has 100mm bore spacing; limiting the bore size to 94mm, requiring a long stroke of 92.7mm to get 5165cc of displacement(forged,light weight alluminum pistons don't have as much influence on vibrations as a longer stroke).
Hey Simba, You ask a great question.
The most logical & cost-effective way for GM to resolve the vibration issue for the
street driven Corvettes is to design the new flat-plane engine with over-head cams.
Actually, the "vibration" isn't that big of a problem & barely noticeable...even in big CID
engines. But GM is likely to be concerned about potential engine warranty issues, etc.
QED; They would prefer to design success & longevity into this radical new engine.
Very likely, the new Corvette...with the flat-plane crank engine...will be non-pushrod.
Regards, Ben
I met a guy a few weeks ago driving a ct6 v with the blackwing tt engine. He said they are putting that engine in the Corvette.
6:45. I don't believe the counterweights are heavy on a cross plane to counteract firing order. The heavy counterweights are to balance the wobbling of a crank that has the crank pins 180 degrees apart on both ends. Picture the cross plane spinning with no rods or pistons connected. It is going to wobble because of the location of the crankpins. The counterweights balance out this wobbling effect. A four cylinder (or v-8 flat crank) has the crankpins on both ends lined up with each other. (An inline 6 also has the end crankpins lined up or an inline twin 360 degree crank.) Picture the flat crank (or inline 6 crank) spinning. There is no wobble in the crankshaft, therefore no heavy counterweights need to be implemented to balance out this wobble. As is stated this makes the crank lighter and faster revving.
That’s funny , I was wondering if you could put a flat plane crank in an ls an presto you showed one lol.
That car is absolutely crazy!
Even tho the flat is a little more reliable, I will take the rumbling sound any day.
I hear ya. The C8 doesn't sound bad -- sounds like a Ferrari-- but the C5, C6 and C7 were so much better. They were the death metal of engines. I was lucky to see the C6 and C7 race at Long Beach. Definitely the greatest sounding cars I've ever heard. Monstrous. Would also love to hear a Ferrari 412T and CanAm McLaren M8.
I would like to see the Cadillac 4.2 twin turbo V8 in the C8
Hopefully this daul overhead cam engine holds up,I'm afraid everyone is giving this unproven engine to much credit, haven't seen and durability type videos yet ,have they even tested this thing? Just wandering Hopefully it works out, sounds like the car will definitely be affordable
Don't get me wrong i get the reason why there is now a mid engine Corrvett. But my heart will forever belong to The Almighty C7's
I got a flat plane on my tesla P100D that's why it's hella fast!
HAHHA YESSSSS, but it has a really good muffler!
Los Pollos Hermanos Cool, we should race some day! Right now I’m trying to upgrade the turbos on my Taycan Turbo S but can’t seem to fine where they are located hmmm?!?! Can someone help me please
@@ValidAsian the Taycan turbo S has a Flux capacitor instead of a turbo you.could upgrade that it's behind the back seats
Los Pollos Hermanos Do they make nitrous for flux capacitors? Probably would need it to help reach 88 mph quicker
The inline 4 cylinder Japanese production motorcycles have used flat plane cranks from 1969 to present. Some rev to 15,000 RPM, though that is more a function of DOHCs and 4 valve heads than the crank design.......
I thought this engine would find its way into the DPI Cadillac's in IMSA this year
Not only cars have a crosplsnane engine the Yamaha R1 also has it!!
And that R1 is music to the ears as it it approaches redline!
I have two of the 2016 R1's, had one originally and loved the crossplane so much I had to get a second!
R1 crossplane sounds nice for sure,but my "old school"a$$ still very partial to the RVF "drowl".
It's basically 2 4 cylinder engines put together at a 90 or 60 degree angle and they are firing almost at the same time, the closer the V, the faster the sound waves travel.
Mmm not exactly. It’s the firing order they gives the engine it’s unique sound.
Basically its a V8 with a flat crank.
To address your question about weight reduction.
Bring on the 2800 lb, 500 hp Corvette.
I have always wanted Chevrolet to make a super light Corvette model in the 2800 lb range. This way you build a much better performing car from many perspectives. Brakes, tires can be lighter, less expensive and last longer. The road racing capability is vastly better due to the lower unsprung weight with lighter wheels, tires, brakes therefore the dampers can control the compression and rebound damping quicker and better. The list goes on. It's just a better way to build a car.
Unfortunately they will likely never do it because they know that the majority of people that buy the Corvette don't know how to drive anyway and just want the most HP possible.
They don't care about performance because performance to them is going fast in a straight line.
So at the same purchase price;
A Corvette that has 500 hp, weighs 2800 lbs (power to weight 1 to 5.6) and will kill on a road course and everywhere else a Corvette with 650 hp that weighs 3700 lbs (power to weight 1 to 5.7) but it will not sell because most important thing to most people is to say "my Corvette has 650 hp" and it's never going to be used on a road race course, or driven to appreciate it's capability anyway.
GM knows Big HP is what sells a car not true performance.
This is why Dodge makes 800hp cars that underperform terribly, handle like cr@fp and eat tires and brakes because they weight 4500 lbs. But they sell great.
the C8 is the best looking american car after rhe Viper
I dig it!
It the Flat plane crank doesn't need so many counterweights and makes it free revving, why haven't they been making engines like this before. I think its because when one bank fires and then the other on the opposite side, this causes more stress on other parts of the engine. It does make a nice noise though
I am thinking the Z06 will have a 4.4 liter fpc V8 with twin turbos. It has been seen testing with a GT2RS. My guess is 705-750 hp.
Didn't GM buy a turbo Porsche to benchmark all the special editions against 🤔
That's why I'm waiting to see how far they take there newer designs before buying. Waiting patiently.
The flat plane is cool and all but it's not very durable. A cross plane is much easier on bearings and the overall longevity of the lower end.
Thanks for clear analysis of trying to expose GM's intent for their next hybrid. Yep, I wondering not only the engine weight but the size for hybrid components. I'm just guessing like most, it took GM 50years to get a mid-engine for the street.
I kinda like the sound of a heavily loped cross plane V8.
Manufacturers have been sucked into the horsepower numbers thing, sticking a huge compressor on the engine with little regard to how it affects weight distribution and overall weight gain. My favorite Vette has been the C6 Z06 w/6spd man. trans. My personal car is a ‘96 6spd. with the LT4 now making close to 500hp, and other mods emphasizing autoX/circuit performance. I have hoped for years that they would concentrate on a smaller displacement, light weight engine w/small overall dimensions and reasonably high NA output. Emphasis should be on weight reduction and track performance. The base Vette is more of a GT/touring car and I’ve always wanted a model targeted at those, like myself, who like to take their car to autoX/ track day events. 600-ish HP, reduced weight, tunable track focused suspension/brakes would be perfect!
I’m a huge fan of the c6z and the c5z personally
Probably need a wider body kit because it needs bigger radiators to keep it cooler.... Thats what i think 👍👍👍
I owned a C6 Z06 and currently drive a C7 Z06. I like the idea of the C8 Z06 being lighter than the standard Corvette. Carbon brakes, wheels, light weight body panels, and maybe lighter manual seats (my 86 SVO Mustang had excellent manual adjustable seats).I would think the Z06 could be 150 pounds lighter at not too high a cost. Maybe the light weight could be an option? Torque is important. It is one of the reasons the C7 Z06 is so much fun to drive. I dont have to wait for the power to arrive!
You have had a great lineage of cars! I love the c6 z06. It’s quite the scary car in many ways!
@@revmatchtv My 2008 Z06 was a beast! I took the Grand Prix course at Bondurants in a Grand Sport with race seats. That alone made a huge difference. It was hard to drive the car fast with the standard seats. The C7 seats are a big improvement.
@revmatchtv I hope this is the Grand Sport and the Z06 uses the Blackwing TT in Hot V or TT the flat plane engine.
I'll get the GS version, C8R wing, Blue with blue interior!
That would be great positioning!
@Smitty Rock With the C6 the Grand Sport was last, they really didn't plan for that model during C6 generation. But with C7 ZR1 is the last model, Grand Sport was right after Z06. The Z06 is usually second.
Like a Harley Davidson can they use a harmonic balancer to cut down on vibration?
America makes the best V8 engines in the world.
I'm a fan!
The race engine is limited by rule, the street engine will be significantly more powerful. J
ust going to a 4 valve design is good for about 20% more power. So lets just say the LT2 had a DOHC upgrade option. That would be good for about 100hp. Then you might think but it's only 5.5L. Well because of the better flowing heads with 4 valves they can rev higher and or include VVL in addition to the VVT so allowing for a more aggressive cam profile. Between the two they can make up for the .7L displacement disadvantage pretty easily.
Very good video
Thanks:)
Why don't they just do forced induction to bring those numbers up for the production model? Imagine a high revving FPC V8 twin turbo, 600 HP would be an easy number and a quick run to the aftermarket would give you 800.
Thank You.
Europe has had these engines for years, especially ferrari
Wonder if this will help turbo boost if it’s more effective with exhaust expel
Hello Rick, Yes it will "significantly" help with boost.
Regards, Ben
Remember that IMSA practices BoP (Balance of Perform) for the race cars. For Naturally Aspirated cars one of the tricks is using a Restrictor Plate to limit the engine's horsepower. They use other methods for Forced Induction engines.
The C8.R looks amazing. Im not a fan of the road car Corvettes though
Chevy has a reliable formula. High performance, reasonable price means you’ll see a lot of them. The c8.r does look amazing. The massive trunk on the c8 makes the rear hard to style well imho.
@@revmatchtv i haven't seen it irl, but it seems very long fir a mid engine, now obviously theyre are long mid engined vehicles, but say the McLaren 650s or Lamborghini Huracan or Honda NSX seem a lot shorter. Its seems like the 488 or Adventador or 720s length which are like the class above for Supercars
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I think they will lighten up the Z06 over the stingray by smaller engine size, lighter but stronger engine weight material and lighter new tub and more carbon fiber/ aluminum. Just by engine size alone about 100 pounds the body about another 100 ponds approximately 3330 pounds The lightest maybe 3277 pounds like a 1988 Lamborghini countach this will happen to make up for additional weight to be added later like a twin turbo system with intercoolers, AW steering option for ZR1 , standard AW steering, AWD and electric motors with batterys. Which will be at least 200 pounds total added to the curb weights I mentioned above. 3600 lbs range for a ZORA hybrid. Not bad weight of a fast and furious Paul walker Supra with about 1053 bhp
Cross plane sounds muscle, flat plane sounds refined
I love a great sounding v8 either way, but a FPC engine is really something cool!
@@revmatchtv i think a flate plane fits more a supercar, while a cross plane fits better in a muscle car or super estate (mercedes c63, audi rs6) speaking about sound
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Ok, is this the reason why sterlin Marlins Nascar sounded so different a few years back?
Their called rod journals not pins.
As a mechanical engineer who once owned a GT-350, let me tell you that the engineers at Ford didn't have to deal with the Voodoo 5.2's vibration, but it was rather the owners who had to put up with it, till they no longer wanted to.
How long did you keep it?
RevMatchTV : One year exactly. Traded for a 2LT C7. No regrets.
So now I understand why a V4. Motor sounds like a V8
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great video!
It would be nice to HEAR the sound......
the question for me is do I wait for the ZO6 or go with my current order? Money isn't the issue. Might the standard C8 sound better, and have more torque? Any thoughts anyone?
Cross plane sounds infinitely better. Listen to the C7R vids from IMSA, and then the latest C8R at the 24 Hrs of Daytona. C7’s had way more presence. And the pushrod is simpler.
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Only questions I have is will it get boost added
They could do a faster flowing head design and intake manifold and exhaust header to bump up the horsepower. The Voodoo engine is a good benchmark of the horsepower figure. Upwards of 550bhp is possible.
Indeed Ford’s Voodoo and Coyote heads flow very well and are strong enough to handle high RPM.
@@crimmy838 the LS7 is using not standard parts. The valvetrain is beefier and its de-stroked to rev to 11k rpm.
Geat Car! Excited to see the real deal soon. - Sound, sound, sound - it`s all about sound ... I couldn`t agree more ... ;-)
The Z06 never really disappoints!
Hmm maybe the decided to finally change the power train or something extra special
When diecast c8s coming lol
Soon?
@@revmatchtv Costco in Canada has been selling them for 6 months
Interesting report. I don't see how they cut weight and keep the price reasonable. They will have to come up with at least 600 hp. They haven't delivered a single C8, so we will have a long time to discuss this.
Lassi Kinnunen Where do you cut weight? Engine, transmission, brakes etc. can’t be made much lighter and keep cost down. The body is a very light composite. How do you go lighter cheaply? Surely, not carbon fiber. You have to figure GM engineers were trying to save weight. You can take out the stereo, speakers, air conditioning, but very few people will want a car like that.
Good discussion here! If you’ve seen the C8 frame up close it’s actually quite impressive. There appears to be a lot of weight savings. I’m sure they can cut some by using expensive CF, but keeping the cost down is a huge open question. One thing they could potentially do would be to make the trunk smaller, but that would require reengineering pretty much everything, so that’s not cheap either.
RevMatchTV Having a usable trunk was an important design decision. They wanted to give the impression that you can actually use the car to go play golf or load it with groceries. I believe they won’t go smaller than room for a bag of golf clubs and the price fully loaded has to be less than 100 grand.
excellent explanation.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The evolution of the Corvette is just so right. GM will be rewarded with sales numbers going through the roof. Ferrari: Listen and learn.
An engine with no rods interesting?
Most importantly are they going with a pushrod?
He said most likely to be a 4cam didn't he🤔
The 6.0 V12’s out of Lamborghini’s and Ferrari’s were designed around the flat plane crank. You just couldn’t go much bigger than that.
What's the 6.3 and 6.5 of today based on🤔
It's now a supercar
I just wanna see what the C8 ZR1 is gonna bring got the table
Yeah! Still mostly a mystery right now.
This mid-engine design will put the power to the ground.
Did anyone else’s just stare at the lava lamp the whole time he was talking?
The new C8R sounds so weak compared to the C7R in IMSA races, it makes me sad hearing the car pass by.
Chevy new that the engine would generate too much heat if it was supercharged hence fourth the flat plane crank engine!