13:38 is almost certainly me. I hurt my shoulder at a tryout a few years ago where they told me i throw 72 top 76. I haven't been able to even hit 70 since and my shoulder is almost always tight when i throw as if im flexing way early or something.
Man, I wish we'd have had access to tools and knowledge like this when I was playing ball in the late 90s. Amazing job you're doing, and a great service to players looking to get better.
Every one of your videos feels like I've received one weeks worth of upper division learning. Definitely going to browse/collate/share advice based on the information you're providing.
THANK YOU! I'm a tennis coach, and for the last few months I've been looking at students' serves and seeing the EXACT "fake" layback position you described. It always looked "wrong," but I could never put my finger on the biomechanical underpinnings of what was happening. They were getting some ESR, some ISR, a decent core rotation... but it was still clearly more of a push, somehow. Your fake layback section demystified it completely for me. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Coach Brewster. In minute 29-30:00 of vid when talking about posture, noticed that Coach Paul jerks/ slings his head heavily to 1B at ball release. Any comments on this? I do something similar. Is it BAD? He still looks accurate. Is accuracy/ command already "baked in the cake" before actual ball release? Thanks!
Email us for the PDF we made with the video. There are a few drills we recommend. The key is learning how to rotate the pelvis open while holding the torso closed into landing and moving the two independently.
good video. I was wondering though, the fake layback, i am probably on of those people. But how to improve that part. Cause i have a tendacy to place the ball a bit behind my head. Do i have to put like a connection ball between my head and my hand to create more space or do drills to enhance the space?
It’s more about learning not to push or karate chop into ball release and relaxing into layback where the arm will naturally unwind into release. Our video on the Lasso drill is a great place to start when trying to fix this. Also figuring out the cause - fake layback isn’t usually a natural pattern, it comes about as the body protects from injury, because of throwing heavy plyos or wrist weights, because of improper coaching cues, because of throwing to a narrow plyo wall, etc.
If you throw with a high velocity lower half and have limited layback I’m at about 110 degrees of layback, are you increasing your risk of elbow injury?
Hunched shoulders can absolutely influence your ability to get into layback. Some pitchers appear to have a hunched posture at rest but they still are able to get into extension at the moment of maximum layback.
Yes, especially for tighter guys. For me, I hit near maximal layback at low efforts because I'm looser. For a tighter guy he needs the force of maximal throwing to help drive the arm into deeper positions.
There is so much info in this video that you never really hear growing up playing. Great content you guys!
Glad you enjoyed it
13:38 is almost certainly me. I hurt my shoulder at a tryout a few years ago where they told me i throw 72 top 76. I haven't been able to even hit 70 since and my shoulder is almost always tight when i throw as if im flexing way early or something.
Man, I wish we'd have had access to tools and knowledge like this when I was playing ball in the late 90s. Amazing job you're doing, and a great service to players looking to get better.
Every one of your videos feels like I've received one weeks worth of upper division learning. Definitely going to browse/collate/share advice based on the information you're providing.
THANK YOU! I'm a tennis coach, and for the last few months I've been looking at students' serves and seeing the EXACT "fake" layback position you described.
It always looked "wrong," but I could never put my finger on the biomechanical underpinnings of what was happening. They were getting some ESR, some ISR, a decent core rotation... but it was still clearly more of a push, somehow. Your fake layback section demystified it completely for me.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Absolute gold mine of information! Really enjoying these presentations..
My brain is burning…. So much info! So good!
Great stuff! Keep it coming!
Can you guys make a video on the process of pulling with your pec and relaxing your arm so it enters layback?
Yes, good idea!
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really helpful. thnks buddy
Thank you
Coach Brewster. In minute 29-30:00 of vid when talking about posture, noticed that Coach Paul jerks/ slings his head heavily to 1B at ball release. Any comments on this? I do something similar. Is it BAD? He still looks accurate. Is accuracy/ command already "baked in the cake" before actual ball release? Thanks!
idk why im watching this i have good layback but always nice to learn
awesome
Great video as always. How does one fix a linear follow through? Is there any PlyoCare, dry drills, etc. that you would recommend? Thanks Tread!
Email us for the PDF we made with the video. There are a few drills we recommend. The key is learning how to rotate the pelvis open while holding the torso closed into landing and moving the two independently.
@@treadathletics Email sent. Thank you for the reply!
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Does layback happen naturally when you throw or do you force your self to do it
Happens naturally if you relax.
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good video. I was wondering though, the fake layback, i am probably on of those people. But how to improve that part. Cause i have a tendacy to place the ball a bit behind my head. Do i have to put like a connection ball between my head and my hand to create more space or do drills to enhance the space?
It’s more about learning not to push or karate chop into ball release and relaxing into layback where the arm will naturally unwind into release. Our video on the Lasso drill is a great place to start when trying to fix this. Also figuring out the cause - fake layback isn’t usually a natural pattern, it comes about as the body protects from injury, because of throwing heavy plyos or wrist weights, because of improper coaching cues, because of throwing to a narrow plyo wall, etc.
Thank you for the quick response. I have seen the lasso drill, will try it out.
@@treadathletics what do you mean because of using wrist weights? And throwing to a "too thin" plyocare wall?
Does layback help the drive leg rotate internally?
The two aren't very correlated to my knowledge.
So, what mechanics can you use if you can no longer get layback?
book keeping
If you throw with a high velocity lower half and have limited layback I’m at about 110 degrees of layback, are you increasing your risk of elbow injury?
Hard to say, but 110 degrees is very low and is limiting velocity for sure.
@@treadathletics thank you
Why does my shoulder hurt so much whenever my ar even goes a little bit later back
Does inflammation take away ROM?
Yes
I saw a video with Nolan Ryan and he had hunched shoulders is that what you mean by rounded? Could you explain it if he is rounded?
Hunched shoulders can absolutely influence your ability to get into layback. Some pitchers appear to have a hunched posture at rest but they still are able to get into extension at the moment of maximum layback.
My wife has Ehlers Danlos Syndrome which causes her joints to stretch to crazy positions 😳
Does effort / intensity contribute to layback?
Yes, especially for tighter guys. For me, I hit near maximal layback at low efforts because I'm looser. For a tighter guy he needs the force of maximal throwing to help drive the arm into deeper positions.
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How to fix fake layback?
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